[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5745649

Well, this is the second and much more major recruit to de-commit from Rick Barnes squad before the season even starts. He says he is only opening it up to North Carolina, Syracuse, Kentucky, Duke and still keeping Texas in the mix. Nonetheless, Rick Barnes definitely is not becoming the recruiting juggernaut we all might have thought, losing out on some top Texas talents and some huge early commits. I think Kabongo would fit incredibly well with the Tar Heels or Orangemen, but he will immediate impact anywhere he signs. Anyone care to take a guess of where Myck ends up committing? I will go with NC, I think they could really use a PG like Myck, but Texas has to still be a favorite I believe.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Duke. I think he lands with Duke.

 

Right now, Duke’s 2011 class has Austin Rivers and Micheal Gbinije. He could be the point guard to that superstar class. Kyrie Irving, Nolan Smith, Kyle Singler are all potentially leaving and those 3 could come right in and play right away.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Duke. I think he lands with Duke.

 

Right now, Duke’s 2011 class has Austin Rivers and Micheal Gbinije. He could be the point guard to that superstar class. Kyrie Irving, Nolan Smith, Kyle Singler are all potentially leaving and those 3 could come right in and play right away.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I believe he has a chance to become a star at Syracuse, with him and Triche in the backcourt together, but I look for Duke to edge everyone as a strong favorite.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I believe he has a chance to become a star at Syracuse, with him and Triche in the backcourt together, but I look for Duke to edge everyone as a strong favorite.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

For what its worth, he has been interested in Duke and playing with Rivers for a while. His wavering commitment to UT hasn’t been a very well kept secret, and supposedly he contacted Kyrie Irving a long time ago. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

For what its worth, he has been interested in Duke and playing with Rivers for a while. His wavering commitment to UT hasn’t been a very well kept secret, and supposedly he contacted Kyrie Irving a long time ago. 

[McDunkin]

I also think he will end up at Syracuse.

This will start to be a trend with Canadians because of the international fame and success of Andy Rautins

[McDunkin]

I also think he will end up at Syracuse.

This will start to be a trend with Canadians because of the international fame and success of Andy Rautins

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

McDunkin, that seems highly unlikely.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

McDunkin, that seems highly unlikely.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

I think besides Calipari, Jimmy B is the man cashin checks the fastest these days……and he won’t go to Kentucky cuz they already got Teague for next year…..plus he could make Syracuse national contenders with what they already got….the backcourt would be him and Trevor Cooney….and for the record, Myck is already the PG star of this class…..

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

I think besides Calipari, Jimmy B is the man cashin checks the fastest these days……and he won’t go to Kentucky cuz they already got Teague for next year…..plus he could make Syracuse national contenders with what they already got….the backcourt would be him and Trevor Cooney….and for the record, Myck is already the PG star of this class…..

[stanford hoops]

Yea there’s no way two point guards would pick Kentucky. That has never happened

[stanford hoops]

Yea there’s no way two point guards would pick Kentucky. That has never happened

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

when they had Wall and Bledsoe…..

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

when they had Wall and Bledsoe…..

[stanford hoops]

Ummm yeah I was being sarcastic 

[stanford hoops]

Ummm yeah I was being sarcastic 

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

I don’t think the 2 best point guards in the class are gonna go there…..

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

I don’t think the 2 best point guards in the class are gonna go there…..

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I highly doubt he goes anywhere but Duke. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I highly doubt he goes anywhere but Duke. 

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

why would he not go to Cuse????? He would have to split a lot of time at Duke…..he would still start though (assuming Irving will go pro)…..but at Cuse he would be the man and probably have a couple nice big men to work with….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

why would he not go to Cuse????? He would have to split a lot of time at Duke…..he would still start though (assuming Irving will go pro)…..but at Cuse he would be the man and probably have a couple nice big men to work with….

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Because first of all there have been rumors of Kabongo to Duke for a long time. Also he is very good friends with Austin Rivers and has expressed the desire to play with him. I know players say this all the time, but in this instance it actually seems to be the case. Also, were Kabongo to come, the starting lineup would most likely be:

Kabongo

Dawkins/Curry

Rivers

Plumlee

Plumlee

with either Dawkins or Curry being the first one off the bench. Rivers is reportedly 6’5 in socks now, and perfectly capable of guarding college 3s. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Because first of all there have been rumors of Kabongo to Duke for a long time. Also he is very good friends with Austin Rivers and has expressed the desire to play with him. I know players say this all the time, but in this instance it actually seems to be the case. Also, were Kabongo to come, the starting lineup would most likely be:

Kabongo

Dawkins/Curry

Rivers

Plumlee

Plumlee

with either Dawkins or Curry being the first one off the bench. Rivers is reportedly 6’5 in socks now, and perfectly capable of guarding college 3s. 

[stanford hoops]

Never doubt coach cal. He got cousins to come even though orton was there. If he really wants someone there’s always a good chance he gets him. Also teauge is a score first pg so I doubt he has a problem sliding over to the 2

[stanford hoops]

Never doubt coach cal. He got cousins to come even though orton was there. If he really wants someone there’s always a good chance he gets him. Also teauge is a score first pg so I doubt he has a problem sliding over to the 2

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

He got cousins to come even though orton was there. If he really wants someone there’s always a good chance he gets him. Also teauge is a score first pg so I doubt he has a problem sliding over to the 2

Uhh…Cousins already committed to him when he was at Memphis. Orton was a Gillespie committ who considered leaving. Cousins was Calipari lock. Orton was the guy who was waviering.
 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

He got cousins to come even though orton was there. If he really wants someone there’s always a good chance he gets him. Also teauge is a score first pg so I doubt he has a problem sliding over to the 2

Uhh…Cousins already committed to him when he was at Memphis. Orton was a Gillespie committ who considered leaving. Cousins was Calipari lock. Orton was the guy who was waviering.
 

[JNixonParticipant]

Teague is score 1st, but he’s also ball-dominant. Kabongo needs the ball to be effective too. Kentucky would be much worse fit for him as opposed to Cuse or Duke.

[JNixonParticipant]

Teague is score 1st, but he’s also ball-dominant. Kabongo needs the ball to be effective too. Kentucky would be much worse fit for him as opposed to Cuse or Duke.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

and that was retarded of Orton…..he shoulda left…..

I didn’t know that I’myourfather…..it makes sense though…..when it comes to top level guys they can play with their boys if they so choose….it rarely works because one is way better than the other….any coach in the country would love to have Rivers and Kabongo…..

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

and that was retarded of Orton…..he shoulda left…..

I didn’t know that I’myourfather…..it makes sense though…..when it comes to top level guys they can play with their boys if they so choose….it rarely works because one is way better than the other….any coach in the country would love to have Rivers and Kabongo…..

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 I guess I get it, but do they really need that many guards? I mean, they are very deep at the position, and than add Rivers/Kabongo that could very well make them just as deep as they are now, but you really want a three guard line-up and the Plumlee’s? To me, that does not spell championship, unless of course you find a semblance of a replacement for Singler. Ryan Kelly looked like a solid prospect, but he is no Kyle Singler, that is for certain and they really do seem to be lacking on the wing. Plus, if Mason Plumlee leaves, which I think is a major possibility, along with of course Irving, who is definitely one and done, than they could be very weak up front. Are Josh Hairston and Mike Gbinije really good enough to pick up the slack? I do not know, but all I do know is, Duke has signed some great guards these past few years, and some decent post type combo’s, but no real replacement for Kyle Singler, who has been the team MVP (or damn close for those who favored Scheyer) the past few years. To me, that has to be a worry for the Duke program, especially with the loss of Tyler Adams from their class, as he was a big dude who would have helped with depth up front. Marshall Plumlee seems to be a very skinny project, and Gbinije is good, but Singler was damn special. I pretty much believe that any year Kyle left school, he more than likely would have been a first round pick, and seems to be pretty much a lock for the lottery. I am not a Duke fan, I think Coach K is amazing and they are an amazing program, but I am just one of those people that roots against them. But, when looking at the NCAA tournament last year, I think maybe even this site had a question of who was the better of Kyle Singler and Gordon Heyward, and I had to go with Kyle, as it is just straight up true. Gordon may have a bit more potential and be slightly more athletic, but for my money, Kyle Singler is a better basketball player. Duke will more than likely be an incredibly special team this year, they have all the tools to be and in my heart of hearts I can not see anyone beating them other than themselves. But, after losing Singler and Nolan Smith, and more than likely Plumlee and Irving, they will have a tough time living up to the past couple years. Rivers may indeed be the best NBA prospect they will have out of any of the past 3 years in Duke b-ball, and Kabongo might be in the top 5 as far as where he gets picked, but where does that leave a player like Seth Curry? Did he not come to Duke to play serious minutes? I just would think that team could struggle, and while a 3 guard line-up might be fun to watch, how effective would they be? Would it just be zone heaven for them? If Marshall Plumlee stays to play with Miles, would that be a championship front court without a guy like Singler, who at times had to play 5 and has played 4 way more than he should as he is a natural wing? That would be my thinking on the whole thing. I think NC has been dying for a PG like Kabongo, as they really could use him to get to where they want to go, and he might indeed be the center piece of a team. But, I guess playing at Duke would not be bad, and he and Rivers would be a very crazy backcourt.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 I guess I get it, but do they really need that many guards? I mean, they are very deep at the position, and than add Rivers/Kabongo that could very well make them just as deep as they are now, but you really want a three guard line-up and the Plumlee’s? To me, that does not spell championship, unless of course you find a semblance of a replacement for Singler. Ryan Kelly looked like a solid prospect, but he is no Kyle Singler, that is for certain and they really do seem to be lacking on the wing. Plus, if Mason Plumlee leaves, which I think is a major possibility, along with of course Irving, who is definitely one and done, than they could be very weak up front. Are Josh Hairston and Mike Gbinije really good enough to pick up the slack? I do not know, but all I do know is, Duke has signed some great guards these past few years, and some decent post type combo’s, but no real replacement for Kyle Singler, who has been the team MVP (or damn close for those who favored Scheyer) the past few years. To me, that has to be a worry for the Duke program, especially with the loss of Tyler Adams from their class, as he was a big dude who would have helped with depth up front. Marshall Plumlee seems to be a very skinny project, and Gbinije is good, but Singler was damn special. I pretty much believe that any year Kyle left school, he more than likely would have been a first round pick, and seems to be pretty much a lock for the lottery. I am not a Duke fan, I think Coach K is amazing and they are an amazing program, but I am just one of those people that roots against them. But, when looking at the NCAA tournament last year, I think maybe even this site had a question of who was the better of Kyle Singler and Gordon Heyward, and I had to go with Kyle, as it is just straight up true. Gordon may have a bit more potential and be slightly more athletic, but for my money, Kyle Singler is a better basketball player. Duke will more than likely be an incredibly special team this year, they have all the tools to be and in my heart of hearts I can not see anyone beating them other than themselves. But, after losing Singler and Nolan Smith, and more than likely Plumlee and Irving, they will have a tough time living up to the past couple years. Rivers may indeed be the best NBA prospect they will have out of any of the past 3 years in Duke b-ball, and Kabongo might be in the top 5 as far as where he gets picked, but where does that leave a player like Seth Curry? Did he not come to Duke to play serious minutes? I just would think that team could struggle, and while a 3 guard line-up might be fun to watch, how effective would they be? Would it just be zone heaven for them? If Marshall Plumlee stays to play with Miles, would that be a championship front court without a guy like Singler, who at times had to play 5 and has played 4 way more than he should as he is a natural wing? That would be my thinking on the whole thing. I think NC has been dying for a PG like Kabongo, as they really could use him to get to where they want to go, and he might indeed be the center piece of a team. But, I guess playing at Duke would not be bad, and he and Rivers would be a very crazy backcourt.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I guess I get it, but do they really need that many guards?

Uh…Yes. Duke would have Myck ( if he commits), Rivers, Gbinjie, Curry, Dawkins and Thornton in 2011. That’s pretty good because odds are Rivers leaves after a year.
 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I guess I get it, but do they really need that many guards?

Uh…Yes. Duke would have Myck ( if he commits), Rivers, Gbinjie, Curry, Dawkins and Thornton in 2011. That’s pretty good because odds are Rivers leaves after a year.
 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

MikeyV

I don’t think you mentioned Gbinjie, who I think would be a key player on the wing. Also as I said, Rivers has supposedly grown to 6’5 without shoes, so basketball wise, probably 6’6. So he would be less of a guard in college, although definitely one in the NBA. 

The lineup I think would be

Kabongo: 6’2, Thornton, Curry

Curry 6’2, Dawkins, Gbinjie

Rivers 6’5?, Dawkins, Gbinjie

Mason 6’11, Kelly, Hairston

Miles 6’10, Marshall, Kelly Hairston

Gbinjie is a prototypical wing, and he and Dawkins both have the size to play the college 3, along with rivers.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

MikeyV

I don’t think you mentioned Gbinjie, who I think would be a key player on the wing. Also as I said, Rivers has supposedly grown to 6’5 without shoes, so basketball wise, probably 6’6. So he would be less of a guard in college, although definitely one in the NBA. 

The lineup I think would be

Kabongo: 6’2, Thornton, Curry

Curry 6’2, Dawkins, Gbinjie

Rivers 6’5?, Dawkins, Gbinjie

Mason 6’11, Kelly, Hairston

Miles 6’10, Marshall, Kelly Hairston

Gbinjie is a prototypical wing, and he and Dawkins both have the size to play the college 3, along with rivers.

[stanford hoops]

What highschool start point guard isn’t ball dominate in highschool?  Bledose was. Wall was. Pretty much every star is when in highschool. 

And I know orton wasn’t a coach cal recruit and I know cousins was gonna go to
Memphis. My point is Orton was still at Kentucky before cousins(commitment wise) but cousin still decided to go there knowing he would have competition for the starting spot( which ended up not being much of a competition)

[stanford hoops]

What highschool start point guard isn’t ball dominate in highschool?  Bledose was. Wall was. Pretty much every star is when in highschool. 

And I know orton wasn’t a coach cal recruit and I know cousins was gonna go to
Memphis. My point is Orton was still at Kentucky before cousins(commitment wise) but cousin still decided to go there knowing he would have competition for the starting spot( which ended up not being much of a competition)

[stanford hoops]

I made this point before with this example

If victor page and Allen iverson can work together in college then anyone can( I can’t think of two other more ball dominate highschool players ever)

[stanford hoops]

I made this point before with this example

If victor page and Allen iverson can work together in college then anyone can( I can’t think of two other more ball dominate highschool players ever)

[JNixonParticipant]

"What highschool start point guard isn’t ball dominate in highschool?  Bledose was. Wall was. Pretty much every star is when in highschool."

"If victor page and Allen iverson can work together in college then anyone can( I can’t think of two other more ball dominate highschool players ever)"

They are going to not only be ball-dominant in HS, but in college too. There is a different dynamic when you are teamed with a guy with just as much talent as you. I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind.

[JNixonParticipant]

"What highschool start point guard isn’t ball dominate in highschool?  Bledose was. Wall was. Pretty much every star is when in highschool."

"If victor page and Allen iverson can work together in college then anyone can( I can’t think of two other more ball dominate highschool players ever)"

They are going to not only be ball-dominant in HS, but in college too. There is a different dynamic when you are teamed with a guy with just as much talent as you. I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind.

[JNixonParticipant]

"What highschool start point guard isn’t ball dominate in highschool?  Bledose was. Wall was. Pretty much every star is when in highschool."

"If victor page and Allen iverson can work together in college then anyone can( I can’t think of two other more ball dominate highschool players ever)"

They are going to not only be ball-dominant in HS, but in college too. There is a different dynamic when you are teamed with a guy with just as much talent as you. I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind.

[stanford hoops]

 my point was they could work. Key word being could. You stated that they couldn’t work because they are ball dominate. Which is saying there’s a 100percent chance that it would not work which is not true.  There’s a chance it could or couldn’t work my comment wasn’t a definate. It was a possibly work comment. Saying it couldn’t work is a definate comment but history shows that it could work

[stanford hoops]

 my point was they could work. Key word being could. You stated that they couldn’t work because they are ball dominate. Which is saying there’s a 100percent chance that it would not work which is not true.  There’s a chance it could or couldn’t work my comment wasn’t a definate. It was a possibly work comment. Saying it couldn’t work is a definate comment but history shows that it could work

[stanford hoops]

 my point was they could work. Key word being could. You stated that they couldn’t work because they are ball dominate. Which is saying there’s a 100percent chance that it would not work which is not true.  There’s a chance it could or couldn’t work my comment wasn’t a definate. It was a possibly work comment. Saying it couldn’t work is a definate comment but history shows that it could work

[stanford hoops]

Also in college guards aren’t as ball dominate as they were in highschool unless that’s he way a coach wants it. If not then they will run the offense that the coach puts in. It works wayyy more then it doesn’t work because every top program and most small programs has a back court where both guards were ball dominate in highschool 

[stanford hoops]

Also in college guards aren’t as ball dominate as they were in highschool unless that’s he way a coach wants it. If not then they will run the offense that the coach puts in. It works wayyy more then it doesn’t work because every top program and most small programs has a back court where both guards were ball dominate in highschool 

[JNixonParticipant]

"You stated that they couldn’t work because they are ball dominate. Which is saying there’s a 100percent chance that it would not work which is not true."

I’d be very interested to see you find where I said that.

[JNixonParticipant]

"You stated that they couldn’t work because they are ball dominate. Which is saying there’s a 100percent chance that it would not work which is not true."

I’d be very interested to see you find where I said that.

[stanford hoops]

Mymistake but my point still stands as far as ball dominate highschool players can work in college because it works every year with just about every college

[stanford hoops]

Mymistake but my point still stands as far as ball dominate highschool players can work in college because it works every year with just about every college

[JNixonParticipant]

I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind.

[JNixonParticipant]

I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I do tend to agree with Quincey on that. Lots of players are very dominant in high school and aau because they need to be for their teams to win. Many of those players give up the ball much more in college when they have better teammates.

On the flip side, there have been lots of examples, such as the Mason-Griffin Warren one, where two ball dominant players haven’t been able to mesh. However, as he said, there have been some examples where they have been able to work together successfully, I would point to Jason Williams and Chris Duhon, where both were essentially playing the 1, and both averaged 5+ apg. I actually do think that Kabongo and Teague could play pretty well together for one year, because Teague is much more of a scoring pg. 

But, I think all this is a moot point, because he’s going to Duke.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I do tend to agree with Quincey on that. Lots of players are very dominant in high school and aau because they need to be for their teams to win. Many of those players give up the ball much more in college when they have better teammates.

On the flip side, there have been lots of examples, such as the Mason-Griffin Warren one, where two ball dominant players haven’t been able to mesh. However, as he said, there have been some examples where they have been able to work together successfully, I would point to Jason Williams and Chris Duhon, where both were essentially playing the 1, and both averaged 5+ apg. I actually do think that Kabongo and Teague could play pretty well together for one year, because Teague is much more of a scoring pg. 

But, I think all this is a moot point, because he’s going to Duke.

[JNixonParticipant]

I honestly question whether you guys actually read what people post when you respond to what goes on.

[JNixonParticipant]

I honestly question whether you guys actually read what people post when you respond to what goes on.

[stanford hoops]

History has shown it works  more then it doesn’t. You name any top
Team and 99percent of the time the backcourt was ball dominate in highschool

Nolan smith and schyer both ball dominate in hs. Even shingler

Felton Ellington 
Duhon Jason Williams

The list goes on and on and on. In highschool they all were ball dominate in college they had to adjust. That’s what happens when u go from highschool to college. 

[stanford hoops]

History has shown it works  more then it doesn’t. You name any top
Team and 99percent of the time the backcourt was ball dominate in highschool

Nolan smith and schyer both ball dominate in hs. Even shingler

Felton Ellington 
Duhon Jason Williams

The list goes on and on and on. In highschool they all were ball dominate in college they had to adjust. That’s what happens when u go from highschool to college. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I’m sorry if I misunderstood you Iggy, I actually thought I was agreeing with you to a certain extent. 

I was responding to:

"I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind."

I agree that most of the time two ball dominant guards struggle to play together. But there have been examples where it has worked, and I actually think this is an example where it could work. 

But, yet again, I think he ends up at Duke.

 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I’m sorry if I misunderstood you Iggy, I actually thought I was agreeing with you to a certain extent. 

I was responding to:

"I don’t doubt they would be productive in some capacity, but at what cost? Going somewhere you can play and have the ball as much as you want and still be successful, or playing with a guy who needs the ball just as much if not more than you do? They could work, but for every "Allen Iverson with Victor Page scenario" there is a "Tommy Mason-Griffin with Willie Warren." Keep that in mind."

I agree that most of the time two ball dominant guards struggle to play together. But there have been examples where it has worked, and I actually think this is an example where it could work. 

But, yet again, I think he ends up at Duke.

 

[JNixonParticipant]

Nolan Smith and John Scheyer’s game complimented each others better than Teague and Kabongo’s does. So did Ellington and Lawson. And so did Williams and Duhon. They were ball-dominant in HS as most D-1 basketball players were, but figuring how players compliment each is important. I’m not saying they wouldn’t be productive, but why play with Teague when you can play with Syracuse or Duke when the talent on those teams compliment what you do better? And could also give you a better chance of winning when it matters?

I actually guarantee that if Kabongo and Teague played on the same team, they wouldn’t win a title. All 3 of those examples you used where tduos that won titles.

[JNixonParticipant]

Nolan Smith and John Scheyer’s game complimented each others better than Teague and Kabongo’s does. So did Ellington and Lawson. And so did Williams and Duhon. They were ball-dominant in HS as most D-1 basketball players were, but figuring how players compliment each is important. I’m not saying they wouldn’t be productive, but why play with Teague when you can play with Syracuse or Duke when the talent on those teams compliment what you do better? And could also give you a better chance of winning when it matters?

I actually guarantee that if Kabongo and Teague played on the same team, they wouldn’t win a title. All 3 of those examples you used where tduos that won titles.

[stanford hoops]

Exactly.  I think it doesn’t work sometimes because the coach doesn’t make it work. The players most of the time are running plays. It tends to become a problem when the players decide to do there own thing.  It would work more so in kentucky’s offense because of the dribble drive

Certain coachs know how to make it work with two dominate guards. Capel obviously couldnt

[stanford hoops]

Exactly.  I think it doesn’t work sometimes because the coach doesn’t make it work. The players most of the time are running plays. It tends to become a problem when the players decide to do there own thing.  It would work more so in kentucky’s offense because of the dribble drive

Certain coachs know how to make it work with two dominate guards. Capel obviously couldnt

[JNixonParticipant]

Again, I’m not questioning if it could work. I’m questioning AT WHAT COST it could work. Plain and simple.

[JNixonParticipant]

Again, I’m not questioning if it could work. I’m questioning AT WHAT COST it could work. Plain and simple.

[stanford hoops]

No one knows if they would win a title together or not so that point is moot

I feel they could work in a dribble drive offense.  It’s worked before in college and could work again.  No one knows will it because we can’t tell the future but it’s possible that it would work just like it’s possible it won’t work. There’s no definate right answer either way. It’s all opinion

and we don’t know if they would compliment each other because they have not played together so it’s just guess work

[stanford hoops]

No one knows if they would win a title together or not so that point is moot

I feel they could work in a dribble drive offense.  It’s worked before in college and could work again.  No one knows will it because we can’t tell the future but it’s possible that it would work just like it’s possible it won’t work. There’s no definate right answer either way. It’s all opinion

and we don’t know if they would compliment each other because they have not played together so it’s just guess work

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

That’s fair enough, and I’m sure that’s something that Kabongo is taking into consideration. I think it’s also worth noting that perhaps Williams and Duhon worked together so well because Williams was older and more talented, and Duhon was really willing to defer. I don’t know if that’d be the case at UK. Although it might be, because as much as I don’t like him, Calipari has shown a knack for making big egos work together.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

That’s fair enough, and I’m sure that’s something that Kabongo is taking into consideration. I think it’s also worth noting that perhaps Williams and Duhon worked together so well because Williams was older and more talented, and Duhon was really willing to defer. I don’t know if that’d be the case at UK. Although it might be, because as much as I don’t like him, Calipari has shown a knack for making big egos work together.

[stanford hoops]

It could work at no cost. Then again it could also work at a cost.  Thing is none of us know if it could or not
also plain and simple

[stanford hoops]

It could work at no cost. Then again it could also work at a cost.  Thing is none of us know if it could or not
also plain and simple

[JNixonParticipant]

Once again, for the 100th time, I’m not saying they wouldn’t work lol. I’m questioning why he would go to Kentucky over Duke or Syracuse. It doesn’t make sense for him to go to Kentucky is my point.

Also, why bring up those duos and then say an opinion is moot about them? Basically you’re saying this backcourt would be a tandem that leads a team to a title in 1 season by comparing them to the 3 duos you listed. How does your point have merit but my debate against them have no merit? Unfair?

[JNixonParticipant]

Once again, for the 100th time, I’m not saying they wouldn’t work lol. I’m questioning why he would go to Kentucky over Duke or Syracuse. It doesn’t make sense for him to go to Kentucky is my point.

Also, why bring up those duos and then say an opinion is moot about them? Basically you’re saying this backcourt would be a tandem that leads a team to a title in 1 season by comparing them to the 3 duos you listed. How does your point have merit but my debate against them have no merit? Unfair?

[xavier328Participant]

60% he goes to duke and all the rest of teams can spilt the other 40%…i wouldnt be shock if Caoch Cal gets him

[xavier328Participant]

60% he goes to duke and all the rest of teams can spilt the other 40%…i wouldnt be shock if Caoch Cal gets him

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I stand corrected, it is starting to look like Kabongo to Duke might not happen, because supposedly Cooke is about to commit and there won’t be room. Personally I wish Cooke would commit to UCLA so Duke could have Kabongo.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I stand corrected, it is starting to look like Kabongo to Duke might not happen, because supposedly Cooke is about to commit and there won’t be room. Personally I wish Cooke would commit to UCLA so Duke could have Kabongo.

[stanford hoops]

Duke needs to stop stealing our MD/DC players

Danny ferry
Nate James
thortan
Josh hairiston
maybe quin cook

[stanford hoops]

Duke needs to stop stealing our MD/DC players

Danny ferry
Nate James
thortan
Josh hairiston
maybe quin cook

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Isn’t Nolan smith from that area too? Do you still support DMV players if they go to Duke, or are you not able to as a Maryland fan?

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Isn’t Nolan smith from that area too? Do you still support DMV players if they go to Duke, or are you not able to as a Maryland fan?

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I’m not positive about Smith, but I’m pretty sure he is from that area and is a DC Assault guy, although he played at Oak Hill and so he didn’t play there.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I’m not positive about Smith, but I’m pretty sure he is from that area and is a DC Assault guy, although he played at Oak Hill and so he didn’t play there.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Nolan Smith is from Maryland, but he played for Oak Hill Academy.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Nolan Smith is from Maryland, but he played for Oak Hill Academy.

[stanford hoops]

Yea. I don’t know how I forgot about him as a fellow dc assault alumn

[stanford hoops]

Yea. I don’t know how I forgot about him as a fellow dc assault alumn

[OhCanada-Participant]

OMG WOW. Im late on this news! I hope stays away from the Big East, and of course there is no better place to play in D-1 basketball then Duke and Coach K.

[OhCanada-Participant]

OMG WOW. Im late on this news! I hope stays away from the Big East, and of course there is no better place to play in D-1 basketball then Duke and Coach K.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

don’t get me wrong…..I would take Teague and Myck on my team any day and make it work somehow…..but its probably not gonna happen….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

don’t get me wrong…..I would take Teague and Myck on my team any day and make it work somehow…..but its probably not gonna happen….

[xavier328Participant]

shouldnt you guys have another scholarships open after Tyler Adams decommited?

[xavier328Participant]

shouldnt you guys have another scholarships open after Tyler Adams decommited?

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Yes, but we aren’t going to take Cooke and Kabongo and Cooke has an offer. Realistically, Cooke wanted to go to UNC, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to get  an offer from Roy. Cooke seemed to back off from Duke, and things started to heat up with Kabongo, who most likely would have been a blue devil. But now it looks as though Cooke is going to accept his offer from Duke, which actually means UNC might have a good shot with Kabongo. 

I don’t really know what to think about this. Cooke is a great kid and a good talent, but it kind of seems like he is just settling for Duke(Although granted there have been some great Duke players that grew up UNC fans). Frankly I’d rather have Kabongo, who seemed pretty enthusiastic about Duke and is a better talent. 

But who knows, maybe Williams will end up offering Cooke and he will be a tarheel, leaving Kabongo for Duke. But either way we get an excellent point guard, so I guess I’m happy.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Yes, but we aren’t going to take Cooke and Kabongo and Cooke has an offer. Realistically, Cooke wanted to go to UNC, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to get  an offer from Roy. Cooke seemed to back off from Duke, and things started to heat up with Kabongo, who most likely would have been a blue devil. But now it looks as though Cooke is going to accept his offer from Duke, which actually means UNC might have a good shot with Kabongo. 

I don’t really know what to think about this. Cooke is a great kid and a good talent, but it kind of seems like he is just settling for Duke(Although granted there have been some great Duke players that grew up UNC fans). Frankly I’d rather have Kabongo, who seemed pretty enthusiastic about Duke and is a better talent. 

But who knows, maybe Williams will end up offering Cooke and he will be a tarheel, leaving Kabongo for Duke. But either way we get an excellent point guard, so I guess I’m happy.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Is a PG I predicted would go to Duke, and yes it would be pretty much either he or Kabongo. Personally, you Duke people are spoiled man! Jeez, wishing worse prospects commit just so you can scoop up the better ones. Also, I’m your father, I did mention Mike Gbinije, but I do not find he and Dawkins to be the type of talent on the wing you have in Kyle Singler, but than again there are not many who are. My point though, is that Duke will go back to being kind of a smaller team, and potentially could be quite weak up front. I think Lance Thomas and Brian Zoubek, while not the most skilled basketball players, provided Duke with a toughness they had not had since their last championship. They reloaded with some great guards and are of course hopeful of the improvement of the brothers Plumlee, especially Mason, but after this year, they lose potentially 4 top notch players (2 to graduation, 2 to the draft). Now, I know you seem to be highly optimistic about their line-up, but that wing situation I think is a gigantic drop-off come next year. Here is what the Duke line-up should potentially look like come 2011-12:

PG Quinn Cook, Seth Curry, Tyler Thornton

SG Austin Rivers (is he 6’5? I do not know, but I am guessing he should play 2), Andre Dawkins, Seth Curry

SF Mike Gbinije, Andre Dawkins, Austin Rivers

PF Ryan Kelly, Josh Hairston, Miles Plumlee

C Miles Plumlee, Marshall Plumlee

Looking at that line-up, possibly add Mason if he does not declare, they are still a top notch team, but are they the favorites come 2012? I do not know, but it is doubtful. I just see a Riverscentric team that could be set up for an upset. I mean, the thing with Duke is, they always act like a prospect is theres for the taking, be humble about it! Yes, you have a great coach and a fantastic program he has built, but that does not mean everyone is just going to go to your school for the heck of it. If you had Kabongo and Rivers, that would be a great back court, but I still think the wing would need to be addressed, and the front court is starting to look slightly anemic. One thing I did notice however, was that with that roster, it does appear that Duke may indeed have some scholarships available. If so, I would definitely go after wings. But, lets put it this way, maybe my argument about Myck Kabongo going to Duke is more about my wanting him to go somewhere else. Duke has gotten enough luck the past couple of years and I for one would love for it to be someone elses turn. Also, Quentin, and other people that quote people (if you do this already than it does not apply to you), when quoting someone, use these things "". They are called quotation marks. They are suggesting you are quoting someone rather than saying it yourself (or in some cases, quoting yourself). It also helps if you maybe use the persons name who gave the quote, though it is alright if you prefer generally anonymity. But, for someone who would like to go to into the field of basketball journalism, it would be a helpful gesture and a good habit to start using.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Is a PG I predicted would go to Duke, and yes it would be pretty much either he or Kabongo. Personally, you Duke people are spoiled man! Jeez, wishing worse prospects commit just so you can scoop up the better ones. Also, I’m your father, I did mention Mike Gbinije, but I do not find he and Dawkins to be the type of talent on the wing you have in Kyle Singler, but than again there are not many who are. My point though, is that Duke will go back to being kind of a smaller team, and potentially could be quite weak up front. I think Lance Thomas and Brian Zoubek, while not the most skilled basketball players, provided Duke with a toughness they had not had since their last championship. They reloaded with some great guards and are of course hopeful of the improvement of the brothers Plumlee, especially Mason, but after this year, they lose potentially 4 top notch players (2 to graduation, 2 to the draft). Now, I know you seem to be highly optimistic about their line-up, but that wing situation I think is a gigantic drop-off come next year. Here is what the Duke line-up should potentially look like come 2011-12:

PG Quinn Cook, Seth Curry, Tyler Thornton

SG Austin Rivers (is he 6’5? I do not know, but I am guessing he should play 2), Andre Dawkins, Seth Curry

SF Mike Gbinije, Andre Dawkins, Austin Rivers

PF Ryan Kelly, Josh Hairston, Miles Plumlee

C Miles Plumlee, Marshall Plumlee

Looking at that line-up, possibly add Mason if he does not declare, they are still a top notch team, but are they the favorites come 2012? I do not know, but it is doubtful. I just see a Riverscentric team that could be set up for an upset. I mean, the thing with Duke is, they always act like a prospect is theres for the taking, be humble about it! Yes, you have a great coach and a fantastic program he has built, but that does not mean everyone is just going to go to your school for the heck of it. If you had Kabongo and Rivers, that would be a great back court, but I still think the wing would need to be addressed, and the front court is starting to look slightly anemic. One thing I did notice however, was that with that roster, it does appear that Duke may indeed have some scholarships available. If so, I would definitely go after wings. But, lets put it this way, maybe my argument about Myck Kabongo going to Duke is more about my wanting him to go somewhere else. Duke has gotten enough luck the past couple of years and I for one would love for it to be someone elses turn. Also, Quentin, and other people that quote people (if you do this already than it does not apply to you), when quoting someone, use these things "". They are called quotation marks. They are suggesting you are quoting someone rather than saying it yourself (or in some cases, quoting yourself). It also helps if you maybe use the persons name who gave the quote, though it is alright if you prefer generally anonymity. But, for someone who would like to go to into the field of basketball journalism, it would be a helpful gesture and a good habit to start using.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Mikey V, I didn’t mean to come off as arrogant at all. My main issue with Cook, and it isn’t a big one, is that he seems like he has been holding off for a Carolina offer. I just hope he doesn’t feel like he is settling for Duke while his heart is somewhere else. Hopefully not getting an offer will motivate him to light up Carolina for four years. The thing was I just got excited about the prospects of Kabongo when it looked like Cook may have been looking elsewhere.

I highly doubt that Duke will be the favorites in 2012, but I think they will have a shot. I hate looking ahead that much, I’m very excited about this year. 

In terms of personnel, I know that draft boards have Mason Plumlee going quite high this year, but I just don’t see it. I think he is being very overrated by scouts. He has a lot of potential, but he isn’t even close to realizing it. Also, I think the chance to play with his younger brother will be a big pull to stay for his Junior year. That way Duke would have all three Plumlee brothers for one year.

I think the lineup will be somewhat different from the one you posted. First of all, I highly doubt that Curry is kept out of the starting lineup and the same goes for Dawkins. I don’t think MG will start as a freshman. Especially since Rivers and Curry have some combo capabilities, I think we could see a lineup of:

Curry

Dawkins

Rivers

Plumlee

Plumlee

As I said, supposedly Rivers is 6’5 in socks now, so I guess he’ll be listed at 6’6 and will play the SF. Although kids grossly exaggerate their heights all the time, so you never know. But that lineup would use a sort of point guard by committee approach, similar to the one they used last year. I don’t think this is a sure fire Championship team by any means, but I think they will be very good. In terms of Dawkins, he is not a Singler, but I think he can be very good. He is a knock down shooter and a good athlete. This team would most likely be one of Duke’s best 3-point shooting teams of all time, as Dawkins, Curry and Rivers are all outstanding shooters.

But back to Cook/Kabongo. I just think this is a very interesting situation. Kabongo would have likely committed to if we had had room for him and Cook would have been equally as likely to commit to UNC had Roy offered. However, it seems like they might both end up at the opposite school. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Mikey V, I didn’t mean to come off as arrogant at all. My main issue with Cook, and it isn’t a big one, is that he seems like he has been holding off for a Carolina offer. I just hope he doesn’t feel like he is settling for Duke while his heart is somewhere else. Hopefully not getting an offer will motivate him to light up Carolina for four years. The thing was I just got excited about the prospects of Kabongo when it looked like Cook may have been looking elsewhere.

I highly doubt that Duke will be the favorites in 2012, but I think they will have a shot. I hate looking ahead that much, I’m very excited about this year. 

In terms of personnel, I know that draft boards have Mason Plumlee going quite high this year, but I just don’t see it. I think he is being very overrated by scouts. He has a lot of potential, but he isn’t even close to realizing it. Also, I think the chance to play with his younger brother will be a big pull to stay for his Junior year. That way Duke would have all three Plumlee brothers for one year.

I think the lineup will be somewhat different from the one you posted. First of all, I highly doubt that Curry is kept out of the starting lineup and the same goes for Dawkins. I don’t think MG will start as a freshman. Especially since Rivers and Curry have some combo capabilities, I think we could see a lineup of:

Curry

Dawkins

Rivers

Plumlee

Plumlee

As I said, supposedly Rivers is 6’5 in socks now, so I guess he’ll be listed at 6’6 and will play the SF. Although kids grossly exaggerate their heights all the time, so you never know. But that lineup would use a sort of point guard by committee approach, similar to the one they used last year. I don’t think this is a sure fire Championship team by any means, but I think they will be very good. In terms of Dawkins, he is not a Singler, but I think he can be very good. He is a knock down shooter and a good athlete. This team would most likely be one of Duke’s best 3-point shooting teams of all time, as Dawkins, Curry and Rivers are all outstanding shooters.

But back to Cook/Kabongo. I just think this is a very interesting situation. Kabongo would have likely committed to if we had had room for him and Cook would have been equally as likely to commit to UNC had Roy offered. However, it seems like they might both end up at the opposite school. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Dude, I was not referring to you in particular by any means, just a general gripe with Duke fans. As someone who goes to a school that has had a hard time consistently getting recruits, I have a hard time hearing other schools bitch about not getting one McDonalds All-American over another, and Duke fans seem to do that constantly. But no, I was not going at you at all. Mr. Knick on the other hand tends to get a tad overboard, but I guess that is his deal :). I had no idea Rivers was that tall, but yeah, maybe he could be tall enough to play wing, though as I expressed before, that is not where I would want him to play. I also think Seth Curry would likely be the starter, but was waiting for the onslaught of "He’s not a point guard he’s a shooting guard" from people, though at his size, he should probably get used to playing point, worked for Stephen. I really do not know about the Cook situation, guess I am slightly surprised Roy hasn’t offered, but while I have heard people here say Cook really wants to play for UNC, I have not heard it really anywhere else and just heard he was favoring Duke/UCLA. But, I guess I just am kind of one of those anti-Duke people anyway, lol. I have always favored UNC for sure, and I tend to want them to get the better recruits, and Kabongo would be it to me. I feel he would fit in quite well for the Heels, and with PJ Hairston and Reggie Bullock (I think he comes back), and pencil in McAdoo at 4, they would have a lot of scoring going on. Duke has had an embarassment of riches over the years, and that will more than likely maintain, but the one thing Cook likely gets you is a few years more than Kabongo, who could probably be one and done as well as Rivers. Duke usually just reloads, but it is never a sure thing. Coach K has done a really good job at getting those talents that usually tend to need a few years of seasoning, Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith fit that perfectly, as did Scheyer. Rivers is a great talent, he should definitely be a one and done, and Kabongo might be as well. So, Cook might not be the type of player that Myck Kabongo is in his first year, but chances are, as a small PG, he may well be a 4 year guy for Duke, and teams that have those type of guys have won championships far more times than teams led by one and done players. So, with Myck Kabongo, I would say, you may be getting a super exciting back court for a year, but I would still think they were definitely a strong (and more than likely seasoned) wing player away from taking down the nets in March 2012.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Dude, I was not referring to you in particular by any means, just a general gripe with Duke fans. As someone who goes to a school that has had a hard time consistently getting recruits, I have a hard time hearing other schools bitch about not getting one McDonalds All-American over another, and Duke fans seem to do that constantly. But no, I was not going at you at all. Mr. Knick on the other hand tends to get a tad overboard, but I guess that is his deal :). I had no idea Rivers was that tall, but yeah, maybe he could be tall enough to play wing, though as I expressed before, that is not where I would want him to play. I also think Seth Curry would likely be the starter, but was waiting for the onslaught of "He’s not a point guard he’s a shooting guard" from people, though at his size, he should probably get used to playing point, worked for Stephen. I really do not know about the Cook situation, guess I am slightly surprised Roy hasn’t offered, but while I have heard people here say Cook really wants to play for UNC, I have not heard it really anywhere else and just heard he was favoring Duke/UCLA. But, I guess I just am kind of one of those anti-Duke people anyway, lol. I have always favored UNC for sure, and I tend to want them to get the better recruits, and Kabongo would be it to me. I feel he would fit in quite well for the Heels, and with PJ Hairston and Reggie Bullock (I think he comes back), and pencil in McAdoo at 4, they would have a lot of scoring going on. Duke has had an embarassment of riches over the years, and that will more than likely maintain, but the one thing Cook likely gets you is a few years more than Kabongo, who could probably be one and done as well as Rivers. Duke usually just reloads, but it is never a sure thing. Coach K has done a really good job at getting those talents that usually tend to need a few years of seasoning, Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith fit that perfectly, as did Scheyer. Rivers is a great talent, he should definitely be a one and done, and Kabongo might be as well. So, Cook might not be the type of player that Myck Kabongo is in his first year, but chances are, as a small PG, he may well be a 4 year guy for Duke, and teams that have those type of guys have won championships far more times than teams led by one and done players. So, with Myck Kabongo, I would say, you may be getting a super exciting back court for a year, but I would still think they were definitely a strong (and more than likely seasoned) wing player away from taking down the nets in March 2012.

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