[OhCanada-Participant]

Over the years many people have chronicled the struggles of certain frachises. Wether the struggles maybe keeping players signed, acquiring good draft position, or just straight up winning games these teams have not been able to be succsessful. This year these teams are most likely going to be 1, 2, and 3 in the draft lottery without many renowned fracnhises on their tail, and the NBA maybe forced to give one of them a 1st round lottery selection, or risk making the system look completly rigged. The 3 teams I am talking about are the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Toronto Raptors and the Los Angeles Clippers.

Through 5 years of finishing with Top 10 Lottery selections, (4/5 being Top 5) Minnesota has never gotten a Top 2 selection through the lottery draft. Just last year when they only has 15 wins they miss out on all top prospects Wall, Turner, Favors, and Cousins.

The Toronto Raptors never seem to be able to keep their franchise players happy, and this year Bosh made his departure. Toronto fans have always seemed to view the league as biast towards its only Canadian team. Toronto recently acquired a 1st overall draft pick in the weakest draft of the decade and acquired Andrea Bargnani.

The Los Angeles Clippers have possibly the worst owner in professional sports and are argueably the orst professional franchise ever. Although the have been handed their fair share of 1st overall draft pi9cks, and lately have been rewarded with Blake Griffin.

Wether bad luck flows within these 3 organizations, the NBA really does have it out for them, or they just make very bad moves on an ownership level, I believe these 3 teams will have the best "chance" at a 1st overall draft pick, and I also think they will be denied it. Here is my projected lottery order.

1- Minnesota Timberwolves

2-Toronto Raptors

3-Los Angeles Clippers

4-Sacramento Kings

5-Phiadelphia 76ers

Heres my projected Draft Positions "Post Lottery".

1-Sacramento Kings

2-Minnesota Timberwolves

3-Toronto Raptors

4-Somebody Else

5-Los Angeles Clippers

As long as the Raps get Irving I’m fine. Does anybody agree that there is a certain scandal in the NBA, I mean the year Rose was drafted 1st and Chicago jumped like 8 spots to have the 1st pick was should be evidence enough…

[mds0549Participant]

Too early to guess how teams will finish with 65 games to go and as a Wolves fan I have grown to hate the NBA lottery. It’s the only league with refs convicted of manipulating games and these hidden lotteries that change team’s futures. Just do like everyone else and worst team gets 1st pick, if you are going to throw games for a draft position then you have bigger problems.

[mds0549Participant]

Too early to guess how teams will finish with 65 games to go and as a Wolves fan I have grown to hate the NBA lottery. It’s the only league with refs convicted of manipulating games and these hidden lotteries that change team’s futures. Just do like everyone else and worst team gets 1st pick, if you are going to throw games for a draft position then you have bigger problems.

[mds0549Participant]

Too early to guess how teams will finish with 65 games to go and as a Wolves fan I have grown to hate the NBA lottery. It’s the only league with refs convicted of manipulating games and these hidden lotteries that change team’s futures. Just do like everyone else and worst team gets 1st pick, if you are going to throw games for a draft position then you have bigger problems.

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

 "Just last year when they only has 15 wins they miss out on all top prospects Wall, Turner, Favors, and Cousins."

They could’ve had Cousins.

It’s too early to project who will be the very worst teams anyways – so what’s the point of then guessing an order that’s completely random?

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

 "Just last year when they only has 15 wins they miss out on all top prospects Wall, Turner, Favors, and Cousins."

They could’ve had Cousins.

It’s too early to project who will be the very worst teams anyways – so what’s the point of then guessing an order that’s completely random?

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

 "Just last year when they only has 15 wins they miss out on all top prospects Wall, Turner, Favors, and Cousins."

They could’ve had Cousins.

It’s too early to project who will be the very worst teams anyways – so what’s the point of then guessing an order that’s completely random?

[OhCanada-Participant]

Im stating that if those 3 teams finish in the last 3 positions I doubt they will be rewarded with the 1st overall selection due to the nature of the lottery draft itself.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Im stating that if those 3 teams finish in the last 3 positions I doubt they will be rewarded with the 1st overall selection due to the nature of the lottery draft itself.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Im stating that if those 3 teams finish in the last 3 positions I doubt they will be rewarded with the 1st overall selection due to the nature of the lottery draft itself.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Cousins was reluctant to join the Timberwolves and never agreed to their invitation for a workout.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Cousins was reluctant to join the Timberwolves and never agreed to their invitation for a workout.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Cousins was reluctant to join the Timberwolves and never agreed to their invitation for a workout.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The actual event of lottery isn’t hidden, the simple task of  the four balls coming out of a hopper and then seeing which combination matches which team is saved from the tv audience.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The actual event of lottery isn’t hidden, the simple task of  the four balls coming out of a hopper and then seeing which combination matches which team is saved from the tv audience.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The actual event of lottery isn’t hidden, the simple task of  the four balls coming out of a hopper and then seeing which combination matches which team is saved from the tv audience.

[llperez]

no scandal going on. Even with the worst record, i believe you only have like a 25% chance of getting the number 1 pick. SO odds are the worst record wont get the number 1 pick. There are no scandals. Teams just have some bad luck and are probably not ran very well.

[llperez]

no scandal going on. Even with the worst record, i believe you only have like a 25% chance of getting the number 1 pick. SO odds are the worst record wont get the number 1 pick. There are no scandals. Teams just have some bad luck and are probably not ran very well.

[llperez]

no scandal going on. Even with the worst record, i believe you only have like a 25% chance of getting the number 1 pick. SO odds are the worst record wont get the number 1 pick. There are no scandals. Teams just have some bad luck and are probably not ran very well.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Involving a lottery can be seen as being corrupt. The team with the highest probability still only has a 1 in 4 chance. I find that the lottery is a fun way of doing things and it also prevents (or should prevent) teams from tanking. Even for the teams that do tank for higher lotto probability, it does not always work in their favor, which to me is sweet justice. Teams still get rewarded with high picks if they have a bad season, which to me is all that should happen. I am finding it a lot harder to relate basketball to other ways of drafting, as the basketball draft is so varied compared to those of the NFL and MLB, but hockey is not a bad indicator, and even they have a lottery that can move a team up to 4 spots. But it of course leads to teams tanking and building ridiculous power squads through the draft, and even that takes time as usually top young prospects in hockey take longer to develop than those in the NBA.

I would say the Thunder, moving up in 2 drafts out of 3 from 2007 to 2009, have been pretty lucky in the lorro as of late, but do not think it was rigged. The Timberwolves seem to have been constantly screwed by the lottery, but they still landed KG at 5 and he turned out to be the best player in the draft. The Raps have actually not done horrible as far as the lottery is concerned, but it was unfair that they had to start out the franchise picking 7, with the Grizzlies picking 6. Even so, I would have maybe moved them up to 4th or 5th. I think the lottery gives teams on the edge of being really good a chance, and it gives teams who have had poor seasons a chance to take another strong player. I do not believe the lottery is rigged, and if it is, than know that no player chosen first since 1997 has led his team to a championship. So, obviously guys picked in other positions have been part of this process.

OhCanada, I appreciate your die hard Raptors fandom, but I think you and I both know that Toronto’s problems lie far outside the lottery. Finances have much more to do with it, and also, as Chris Bosh harshly criticized, "It is just not the same." Marquee players would rather play in the States than in the great White North. It is unfair as heck, but it is true. Maybe climate also has something to do with it, as Minnesota and Toronto are both cold as anything in the winter. Smaller market teams tend to struggle, and I do not know if not having the lottery would change that, because you would still have to deal with Free Agency.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Involving a lottery can be seen as being corrupt. The team with the highest probability still only has a 1 in 4 chance. I find that the lottery is a fun way of doing things and it also prevents (or should prevent) teams from tanking. Even for the teams that do tank for higher lotto probability, it does not always work in their favor, which to me is sweet justice. Teams still get rewarded with high picks if they have a bad season, which to me is all that should happen. I am finding it a lot harder to relate basketball to other ways of drafting, as the basketball draft is so varied compared to those of the NFL and MLB, but hockey is not a bad indicator, and even they have a lottery that can move a team up to 4 spots. But it of course leads to teams tanking and building ridiculous power squads through the draft, and even that takes time as usually top young prospects in hockey take longer to develop than those in the NBA.

I would say the Thunder, moving up in 2 drafts out of 3 from 2007 to 2009, have been pretty lucky in the lorro as of late, but do not think it was rigged. The Timberwolves seem to have been constantly screwed by the lottery, but they still landed KG at 5 and he turned out to be the best player in the draft. The Raps have actually not done horrible as far as the lottery is concerned, but it was unfair that they had to start out the franchise picking 7, with the Grizzlies picking 6. Even so, I would have maybe moved them up to 4th or 5th. I think the lottery gives teams on the edge of being really good a chance, and it gives teams who have had poor seasons a chance to take another strong player. I do not believe the lottery is rigged, and if it is, than know that no player chosen first since 1997 has led his team to a championship. So, obviously guys picked in other positions have been part of this process.

OhCanada, I appreciate your die hard Raptors fandom, but I think you and I both know that Toronto’s problems lie far outside the lottery. Finances have much more to do with it, and also, as Chris Bosh harshly criticized, "It is just not the same." Marquee players would rather play in the States than in the great White North. It is unfair as heck, but it is true. Maybe climate also has something to do with it, as Minnesota and Toronto are both cold as anything in the winter. Smaller market teams tend to struggle, and I do not know if not having the lottery would change that, because you would still have to deal with Free Agency.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Involving a lottery can be seen as being corrupt. The team with the highest probability still only has a 1 in 4 chance. I find that the lottery is a fun way of doing things and it also prevents (or should prevent) teams from tanking. Even for the teams that do tank for higher lotto probability, it does not always work in their favor, which to me is sweet justice. Teams still get rewarded with high picks if they have a bad season, which to me is all that should happen. I am finding it a lot harder to relate basketball to other ways of drafting, as the basketball draft is so varied compared to those of the NFL and MLB, but hockey is not a bad indicator, and even they have a lottery that can move a team up to 4 spots. But it of course leads to teams tanking and building ridiculous power squads through the draft, and even that takes time as usually top young prospects in hockey take longer to develop than those in the NBA.

I would say the Thunder, moving up in 2 drafts out of 3 from 2007 to 2009, have been pretty lucky in the lorro as of late, but do not think it was rigged. The Timberwolves seem to have been constantly screwed by the lottery, but they still landed KG at 5 and he turned out to be the best player in the draft. The Raps have actually not done horrible as far as the lottery is concerned, but it was unfair that they had to start out the franchise picking 7, with the Grizzlies picking 6. Even so, I would have maybe moved them up to 4th or 5th. I think the lottery gives teams on the edge of being really good a chance, and it gives teams who have had poor seasons a chance to take another strong player. I do not believe the lottery is rigged, and if it is, than know that no player chosen first since 1997 has led his team to a championship. So, obviously guys picked in other positions have been part of this process.

OhCanada, I appreciate your die hard Raptors fandom, but I think you and I both know that Toronto’s problems lie far outside the lottery. Finances have much more to do with it, and also, as Chris Bosh harshly criticized, "It is just not the same." Marquee players would rather play in the States than in the great White North. It is unfair as heck, but it is true. Maybe climate also has something to do with it, as Minnesota and Toronto are both cold as anything in the winter. Smaller market teams tend to struggle, and I do not know if not having the lottery would change that, because you would still have to deal with Free Agency.

[HaleParticipant]

The Timberwolves have never moved up in the lottery, only stayed the same or went down. It’s kind of sad.

[HaleParticipant]

The Timberwolves have never moved up in the lottery, only stayed the same or went down. It’s kind of sad.

[HaleParticipant]

The Timberwolves have never moved up in the lottery, only stayed the same or went down. It’s kind of sad.

[OhCanada-Participant]

"OhCanada, I appreciate your die hard Raptors fandom, but I think you and I both know that Toronto’s problems lie far outside the lottery. Finances have much more to do with it, and also, as Chris Bosh harshly criticized, "It is just not the same." Marquee players would rather play in the States than in the great White North. It is unfair as heck, but it is true. Maybe climate also has something to do with it, as Minnesota and Toronto are both cold as anything in the winter. Smaller market teams tend to struggle, and I do not know if not having the lottery would change that, because you would still have to deal with Free Agency."

Oh by no means is the draft an area of concern for Toronto, I just believe that the NBA would rather their marquee players play in a much larger market. Or maybe we might have seen Wall playing in Minnesota this year…I mean seriously, Lebron James and Derrick Rose somehow both spectacularly play in their hometowns due to the 1st overall draft picks, draft lottery. If their is a player with overwhelming hype, which is much greater than any other player in the draft I believe the NBA ultimately decides where they are going to play, not some luck factor with lottery balls.

Also, I have seemed to realize younger players really dont mind playing in Toronto, it’s your veterans that seem to dislike the Canadian experience. For instance lets say Kyrie Irving asks his coach if Toronto is a fine organization or not. Coach K will inform him on the fine job Jay Triano did and his parts in team USA’s championship run, aboput Bryan Colengelo son of Jerry Colengelo and the great job he does in Toronto etc. We dont have the same problem as teams like the Twolves, Clippers and Grizzlies, our problem is getting our players national exposure within the USA. But then again, Vince Carter had no problem getting that so maybe weve just been caught up in more excuses. Lol just like Jordan made a commercial in response to Lebrons "what should I do" commercial, Vince should take shots at Chris Bosh’s "Its about being on TV" comments.

[OhCanada-Participant]

"OhCanada, I appreciate your die hard Raptors fandom, but I think you and I both know that Toronto’s problems lie far outside the lottery. Finances have much more to do with it, and also, as Chris Bosh harshly criticized, "It is just not the same." Marquee players would rather play in the States than in the great White North. It is unfair as heck, but it is true. Maybe climate also has something to do with it, as Minnesota and Toronto are both cold as anything in the winter. Smaller market teams tend to struggle, and I do not know if not having the lottery would change that, because you would still have to deal with Free Agency."

Oh by no means is the draft an area of concern for Toronto, I just believe that the NBA would rather their marquee players play in a much larger market. Or maybe we might have seen Wall playing in Minnesota this year…I mean seriously, Lebron James and Derrick Rose somehow both spectacularly play in their hometowns due to the 1st overall draft picks, draft lottery. If their is a player with overwhelming hype, which is much greater than any other player in the draft I believe the NBA ultimately decides where they are going to play, not some luck factor with lottery balls.

Also, I have seemed to realize younger players really dont mind playing in Toronto, it’s your veterans that seem to dislike the Canadian experience. For instance lets say Kyrie Irving asks his coach if Toronto is a fine organization or not. Coach K will inform him on the fine job Jay Triano did and his parts in team USA’s championship run, aboput Bryan Colengelo son of Jerry Colengelo and the great job he does in Toronto etc. We dont have the same problem as teams like the Twolves, Clippers and Grizzlies, our problem is getting our players national exposure within the USA. But then again, Vince Carter had no problem getting that so maybe weve just been caught up in more excuses. Lol just like Jordan made a commercial in response to Lebrons "what should I do" commercial, Vince should take shots at Chris Bosh’s "Its about being on TV" comments.

[OhCanada-Participant]

"OhCanada, I appreciate your die hard Raptors fandom, but I think you and I both know that Toronto’s problems lie far outside the lottery. Finances have much more to do with it, and also, as Chris Bosh harshly criticized, "It is just not the same." Marquee players would rather play in the States than in the great White North. It is unfair as heck, but it is true. Maybe climate also has something to do with it, as Minnesota and Toronto are both cold as anything in the winter. Smaller market teams tend to struggle, and I do not know if not having the lottery would change that, because you would still have to deal with Free Agency."

Oh by no means is the draft an area of concern for Toronto, I just believe that the NBA would rather their marquee players play in a much larger market. Or maybe we might have seen Wall playing in Minnesota this year…I mean seriously, Lebron James and Derrick Rose somehow both spectacularly play in their hometowns due to the 1st overall draft picks, draft lottery. If their is a player with overwhelming hype, which is much greater than any other player in the draft I believe the NBA ultimately decides where they are going to play, not some luck factor with lottery balls.

Also, I have seemed to realize younger players really dont mind playing in Toronto, it’s your veterans that seem to dislike the Canadian experience. For instance lets say Kyrie Irving asks his coach if Toronto is a fine organization or not. Coach K will inform him on the fine job Jay Triano did and his parts in team USA’s championship run, aboput Bryan Colengelo son of Jerry Colengelo and the great job he does in Toronto etc. We dont have the same problem as teams like the Twolves, Clippers and Grizzlies, our problem is getting our players national exposure within the USA. But then again, Vince Carter had no problem getting that so maybe weve just been caught up in more excuses. Lol just like Jordan made a commercial in response to Lebrons "what should I do" commercial, Vince should take shots at Chris Bosh’s "Its about being on TV" comments.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

mikeyv always has some paragraph with posting lol… but otherwise i like his expertise

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

mikeyv always has some paragraph with posting lol… but otherwise i like his expertise

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

mikeyv always has some paragraph with posting lol… but otherwise i like his expertise

[stanford hoops]

taxes has alot to do with it. Almost 50percent of your pay check. I’m guessing free health care has something to do with that

[stanford hoops]

taxes has alot to do with it. Almost 50percent of your pay check. I’m guessing free health care has something to do with that

[stanford hoops]

taxes has alot to do with it. Almost 50percent of your pay check. I’m guessing free health care has something to do with that

[kaceyParticipant]

"1- Minnesota Timberwolves

2-Toronto Raptors

3-Los Angeles Clippers

4-Sacramento Kings

5-Phiadelphia 76ers

Heres my projected Draft Positions "Post Lottery".

1-Sacramento Kings

2-Minnesota Timberwolves

3-Toronto Raptors

4-Somebody Else

5-Los Angeles Clippers"

 

Just a heads up.

Based off of your projected final standings, the Clippers would do no worse than 4th after the lottery takes place if the Raptors and T’Wolves land a top 3 pick.  So that "Somebody Else" wouldn’t be ahead of the Clippers in your post lottery.  The lottery just determines the top 3 picks.  With the remaining picks being slotted by record.

[kaceyParticipant]

"1- Minnesota Timberwolves

2-Toronto Raptors

3-Los Angeles Clippers

4-Sacramento Kings

5-Phiadelphia 76ers

Heres my projected Draft Positions "Post Lottery".

1-Sacramento Kings

2-Minnesota Timberwolves

3-Toronto Raptors

4-Somebody Else

5-Los Angeles Clippers"

 

Just a heads up.

Based off of your projected final standings, the Clippers would do no worse than 4th after the lottery takes place if the Raptors and T’Wolves land a top 3 pick.  So that "Somebody Else" wouldn’t be ahead of the Clippers in your post lottery.  The lottery just determines the top 3 picks.  With the remaining picks being slotted by record.

[kaceyParticipant]

"1- Minnesota Timberwolves

2-Toronto Raptors

3-Los Angeles Clippers

4-Sacramento Kings

5-Phiadelphia 76ers

Heres my projected Draft Positions "Post Lottery".

1-Sacramento Kings

2-Minnesota Timberwolves

3-Toronto Raptors

4-Somebody Else

5-Los Angeles Clippers"

 

Just a heads up.

Based off of your projected final standings, the Clippers would do no worse than 4th after the lottery takes place if the Raptors and T’Wolves land a top 3 pick.  So that "Somebody Else" wouldn’t be ahead of the Clippers in your post lottery.  The lottery just determines the top 3 picks.  With the remaining picks being slotted by record.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Who told you that?

[OhCanada-Participant]

Who told you that?

[OhCanada-Participant]

Who told you that?

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

they should have no problem getting a PG….this draft will be loaded with them….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

they should have no problem getting a PG….this draft will be loaded with them….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

they should have no problem getting a PG….this draft will be loaded with them….

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Josh Selby has Raptors written all over him and so does Enes Kanter.  I don’t think the Raptors are going to finish with a worse record then the Sixers or Nets…And the Nets are just as bad but they are mysteriously missing from you projections…scandal?

Minny does seem like they are due to win the lottery.  I’m just hoping that the Sixers walk away next year with either Sullinger or one of the Jones whether Perry or Terrence.  The Sixer are in terrible shape and won’t even have money to sign somebody for like another 4 years so winning the lottery is the only way they will be able to add talent to this roster.  As long as they draft the right effin player.  I’m still reeling from the fact we left two franchise changing bigmen on the board to draft a shooting guard.  All I know is Holiday and Favors/Cousins would of been a fantastic point guard -big man tandem to build your franchise around.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Josh Selby has Raptors written all over him and so does Enes Kanter.  I don’t think the Raptors are going to finish with a worse record then the Sixers or Nets…And the Nets are just as bad but they are mysteriously missing from you projections…scandal?

Minny does seem like they are due to win the lottery.  I’m just hoping that the Sixers walk away next year with either Sullinger or one of the Jones whether Perry or Terrence.  The Sixer are in terrible shape and won’t even have money to sign somebody for like another 4 years so winning the lottery is the only way they will be able to add talent to this roster.  As long as they draft the right effin player.  I’m still reeling from the fact we left two franchise changing bigmen on the board to draft a shooting guard.  All I know is Holiday and Favors/Cousins would of been a fantastic point guard -big man tandem to build your franchise around.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Josh Selby has Raptors written all over him and so does Enes Kanter.  I don’t think the Raptors are going to finish with a worse record then the Sixers or Nets…And the Nets are just as bad but they are mysteriously missing from you projections…scandal?

Minny does seem like they are due to win the lottery.  I’m just hoping that the Sixers walk away next year with either Sullinger or one of the Jones whether Perry or Terrence.  The Sixer are in terrible shape and won’t even have money to sign somebody for like another 4 years so winning the lottery is the only way they will be able to add talent to this roster.  As long as they draft the right effin player.  I’m still reeling from the fact we left two franchise changing bigmen on the board to draft a shooting guard.  All I know is Holiday and Favors/Cousins would of been a fantastic point guard -big man tandem to build your franchise around.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Health care definitely has something to do with it. Realize that players get taxed according to where they play the games. So, if you play for Toronto, you are getting taxed for 41 games at by far the highest % of taxation. I think that is a huge reason Toronto has a difficult time landing players. Also, OhCanada, I see what you are saying about Triano and Colangelo, but ultimately, when Kyrie gets to around his 7th year if he does play in Toronto, I doubt that he will be consulting with Coach K much (or if Triano/Colangelo will still be here). Players should definitely play for whoever drafts them, that is how it works, but free agency eventually gives you options to play in other places, which our marquee players have chosen to do (Damon, traded before it, but only because he wanted out, Carter, Bosh). I still have faith in Colangelo, more so than a lot of people out there (and more so than of Burke, who I feel screwed the Maple Leafs over with that ridiculous Kessel trade), but my faith in Triano is waning. I know we do not have a lot of talent, but I always find Triano’s rotations kind of weird. We will see how it looks with this recent trade, which should give us an explosive second unit scoring wise. Still, it would be nice to see Amir Johnson maybe get the minutes to go along with his efficiency. We are so weak inside, Reggie Evans being hurt just makes that even worse, though Reggie provides nothing on offense, which is just a killer.

I still of course want the Raps to do well, I was born and raised and have returned to Toronto. As someone who lives here though, and knows about Toronto sports teams, it is incredibly difficult to be optimistic. The Leafs have not won a cup in 44 years, and every year they say they are going to, Leafs fans are delusional. The Jays won two Series in a row, and have since not made the play-offs. Man, the closest NFL squad is the Bills, so they even have poor taste in choosing football teams, lol. Raptors fans just think that players feel the same way as they do about Toronto, I know most people who live here think it is the greatest city in the world. I call Toronto mini-New York, it is a place where many of those who live here can not imagine why you would want to live anywhere else. Well, people do live in other places, and other places have good qualities as well. The South has warmer climate, the West is beautiful, and a lot of players are from the midwest. If only Bosh and Carter had been able to play together longer, maybe Toronto would have developed something appealing, but they have yet too. So, I am sorry man, but I have little optimism for the Raptors at this point. They do not sign marquee free agents or big name players until those players are close to retiring. We have drafted fairly well, but it has not given our team much to build on. Plus, at this point, that Jermaine O’Neal trade seems to be incredibly awful, especially as Toronto could really use Roy Hibbert. Well, Universal, I do always have paragraphs, but I try to give a lot of evidence to my point and make my posts count. Hence my relatively low number of posts compared to other "board regulars".

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Health care definitely has something to do with it. Realize that players get taxed according to where they play the games. So, if you play for Toronto, you are getting taxed for 41 games at by far the highest % of taxation. I think that is a huge reason Toronto has a difficult time landing players. Also, OhCanada, I see what you are saying about Triano and Colangelo, but ultimately, when Kyrie gets to around his 7th year if he does play in Toronto, I doubt that he will be consulting with Coach K much (or if Triano/Colangelo will still be here). Players should definitely play for whoever drafts them, that is how it works, but free agency eventually gives you options to play in other places, which our marquee players have chosen to do (Damon, traded before it, but only because he wanted out, Carter, Bosh). I still have faith in Colangelo, more so than a lot of people out there (and more so than of Burke, who I feel screwed the Maple Leafs over with that ridiculous Kessel trade), but my faith in Triano is waning. I know we do not have a lot of talent, but I always find Triano’s rotations kind of weird. We will see how it looks with this recent trade, which should give us an explosive second unit scoring wise. Still, it would be nice to see Amir Johnson maybe get the minutes to go along with his efficiency. We are so weak inside, Reggie Evans being hurt just makes that even worse, though Reggie provides nothing on offense, which is just a killer.

I still of course want the Raps to do well, I was born and raised and have returned to Toronto. As someone who lives here though, and knows about Toronto sports teams, it is incredibly difficult to be optimistic. The Leafs have not won a cup in 44 years, and every year they say they are going to, Leafs fans are delusional. The Jays won two Series in a row, and have since not made the play-offs. Man, the closest NFL squad is the Bills, so they even have poor taste in choosing football teams, lol. Raptors fans just think that players feel the same way as they do about Toronto, I know most people who live here think it is the greatest city in the world. I call Toronto mini-New York, it is a place where many of those who live here can not imagine why you would want to live anywhere else. Well, people do live in other places, and other places have good qualities as well. The South has warmer climate, the West is beautiful, and a lot of players are from the midwest. If only Bosh and Carter had been able to play together longer, maybe Toronto would have developed something appealing, but they have yet too. So, I am sorry man, but I have little optimism for the Raptors at this point. They do not sign marquee free agents or big name players until those players are close to retiring. We have drafted fairly well, but it has not given our team much to build on. Plus, at this point, that Jermaine O’Neal trade seems to be incredibly awful, especially as Toronto could really use Roy Hibbert. Well, Universal, I do always have paragraphs, but I try to give a lot of evidence to my point and make my posts count. Hence my relatively low number of posts compared to other "board regulars".

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Health care definitely has something to do with it. Realize that players get taxed according to where they play the games. So, if you play for Toronto, you are getting taxed for 41 games at by far the highest % of taxation. I think that is a huge reason Toronto has a difficult time landing players. Also, OhCanada, I see what you are saying about Triano and Colangelo, but ultimately, when Kyrie gets to around his 7th year if he does play in Toronto, I doubt that he will be consulting with Coach K much (or if Triano/Colangelo will still be here). Players should definitely play for whoever drafts them, that is how it works, but free agency eventually gives you options to play in other places, which our marquee players have chosen to do (Damon, traded before it, but only because he wanted out, Carter, Bosh). I still have faith in Colangelo, more so than a lot of people out there (and more so than of Burke, who I feel screwed the Maple Leafs over with that ridiculous Kessel trade), but my faith in Triano is waning. I know we do not have a lot of talent, but I always find Triano’s rotations kind of weird. We will see how it looks with this recent trade, which should give us an explosive second unit scoring wise. Still, it would be nice to see Amir Johnson maybe get the minutes to go along with his efficiency. We are so weak inside, Reggie Evans being hurt just makes that even worse, though Reggie provides nothing on offense, which is just a killer.

I still of course want the Raps to do well, I was born and raised and have returned to Toronto. As someone who lives here though, and knows about Toronto sports teams, it is incredibly difficult to be optimistic. The Leafs have not won a cup in 44 years, and every year they say they are going to, Leafs fans are delusional. The Jays won two Series in a row, and have since not made the play-offs. Man, the closest NFL squad is the Bills, so they even have poor taste in choosing football teams, lol. Raptors fans just think that players feel the same way as they do about Toronto, I know most people who live here think it is the greatest city in the world. I call Toronto mini-New York, it is a place where many of those who live here can not imagine why you would want to live anywhere else. Well, people do live in other places, and other places have good qualities as well. The South has warmer climate, the West is beautiful, and a lot of players are from the midwest. If only Bosh and Carter had been able to play together longer, maybe Toronto would have developed something appealing, but they have yet too. So, I am sorry man, but I have little optimism for the Raptors at this point. They do not sign marquee free agents or big name players until those players are close to retiring. We have drafted fairly well, but it has not given our team much to build on. Plus, at this point, that Jermaine O’Neal trade seems to be incredibly awful, especially as Toronto could really use Roy Hibbert. Well, Universal, I do always have paragraphs, but I try to give a lot of evidence to my point and make my posts count. Hence my relatively low number of posts compared to other "board regulars".

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Health care definitely has something to do with it. Realize that players get taxed according to where they play the games. So, if you play for Toronto, you are getting taxed for 41 games at by far the highest % of taxation. I think that is a huge reason Toronto has a difficult time landing players. Also, OhCanada, I see what you are saying about Triano and Colangelo, but ultimately, when Kyrie gets to around his 7th year if he does play in Toronto, I doubt that he will be consulting with Coach K much (or if Triano/Colangelo will still be here). Players should definitely play for whoever drafts them, that is how it works, but free agency eventually gives you options to play in other places, which our marquee players have chosen to do (Damon, traded before it, but only because he wanted out, Carter, Bosh). I still have faith in Colangelo, more so than a lot of people out there (and more so than of Burke, who I feel screwed the Maple Leafs over with that ridiculous Kessel trade), but my faith in Triano is waning. I know we do not have a lot of talent, but I always find Triano’s rotations kind of weird. We will see how it looks with this recent trade, which should give us an explosive second unit scoring wise. Still, it would be nice to see Amir Johnson maybe get the minutes to go along with his efficiency. We are so weak inside, Reggie Evans being hurt just makes that even worse, though Reggie provides nothing on offense, which is just a killer.

I still of course want the Raps to do well, I was born and raised and have returned to Toronto. As someone who lives here though, and knows about Toronto sports teams, it is incredibly difficult to be optimistic. The Leafs have not won a cup in 44 years, and every year they say they are going to, Leafs fans are delusional. The Jays won two Series in a row, and have since not made the play-offs. Man, the closest NFL squad is the Bills, so they even have poor taste in choosing football teams, lol. Raptors fans just think that players feel the same way as they do about Toronto, I know most people who live here think it is the greatest city in the world. I call Toronto mini-New York, it is a place where many of those who live here can not imagine why you would want to live anywhere else. Well, people do live in other places, and other places have good qualities as well. The South has warmer climate, the West is beautiful, and a lot of players are from the midwest. If only Bosh and Carter had been able to play together longer, maybe Toronto would have developed something appealing, but they have yet too. So, I am sorry man, but I have little optimism for the Raptors at this point. They do not sign marquee free agents or big name players until those players are close to retiring. We have drafted fairly well, but it has not given our team much to build on. Plus, at this point, that Jermaine O’Neal trade seems to be incredibly awful, especially as Toronto could really use Roy Hibbert. Well, Universal, I do always have paragraphs, but I try to give a lot of evidence to my point and make my posts count. Hence my relatively low number of posts compared to other "board regulars".

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