[rvan14Participant]

 So I came up with a solution that might prevent tanking. Let me know what you think.

Once a team is mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, keep track of how many wins they accumulate after that point. Teams that are eliminated early (tanking teams) will then be forced to actually try and win games. 

Now, there will be some teams tanking to get to that mathmatically eliminated point, but I think there will be more meaningful games played.

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 The solution to tanking has been “rectified” by Adam Silver, as of the 2019 lottery year, which is a mockery to me. Instead of 1-3 teams playing poorly during the stretch, look for 6-8 now.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Adam Silver and the NBA’s plan is the exact opposite of what they preach. Your damn right they WANT 6-8 teams tanking a year.

 They are attempting to continue abolishing parity while expanding their target audience. The new $24 Billion media contracts were from ESPN and  allowed them to increase each teams salary cap after the last CBA which meant powerhouse teams were magically able to add another superstar. ESPN and TNT just love reporting on superteams ever notice that? They also added a minimum threshold to the caps that teams had to be over which meant teams that were tanking had to hand out bad contracts to bad players, so even if that team did become competitive they would be crippled by the previous contracts.The funny thing about it all is people are way to f’ing stupid to put it all together they either say your a conspiracy theorist or a hater of whatever team but fake is fake and you should be able to tell when somethings wrong.

 We even classify the refs bs while they are manipulating the game. Superstar calls. Home team calls. Veteran calls. Guess who decides who is working the refs and who is a headcase or being immature? TNT and ESPN what a deal! So Chris Paul is just working the refs but Boogie Cousins gets a tech? Why?Draymond Green or Kevin Garnett can cuss and yell at refs but not Dwight Howard. Okay its probably because Boogie and Dwight are idiots thats what I saw on ESPN. Makes sense.

 Tell me how its possible that the Atlanta Hawks had more home wins then the San Antonio Spurs had road wins? Its because the refs are paid to give the home team an advantage so ticket buyers can have a good experience. Theres no other sport where the win loss ratio is so extremely lopsided. Anyways idk why I started venting Im gonna go back to pretending everything is normal and a geniune product as oppose to this cookie cutter BS league we have nowadays.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I need another David Stern effective tomorrow, because he’s insulting our (my) intelligence.

[mowestenParticipant]

 In order for it to be a solution worth exploring, you’ll need to explain. Not trying to be rude, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

Here’s a way to eliminate tanking — once a team is eliminated from the playoffs, they can no longer sell tickets. They have to give them away. Now there’s some incentive to stay alive for as long as possible.

Even better solution is if a team is caught trying to purposfully throw games by pulling starters and running out the worst players on the team in the final minutes of a close game,  the NBA just pulls their draft picks. For the next eight years.

That should do it.

 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

Thats not a good solution brotha, sorry to say. If my team is eliminated from playoff contention, you better believe im throwing in my young guys and prospects to see who seperates themselves. Ive seen many players (RoCo) earn money during a teams "tanking" by throwing out garbage lineups. 

[ZarathustraParticipant]

 The 3 worst records can’t have a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft.

[mowestenParticipant]

 I like it … simple and effective. Add teams with the three worst records also get demoted to G- League for one year.

 

[ChrispyParticipant]

 Relegation works great in  soccer (futbol). Usually the bottom two teams of the top division move down to the 2nd division while the TOP 2 teams of the 2nd division move up. Why not? Tank if you want, but be prepared to play in the G League! Love it!!

[llperez]

 ive read the thread multiple times and i still have no idea what the hell he’s talking about. So once teams are eliminated from the playoffs, you make them try to win??? How do you suggest doing that, kind of inportant part of the topic that was left out there lol. 

[jonus grumbyParticipant]

I get the feeling I am am the only one who doesn’t have an issue with tanking.  I think an organization should be able to run their team as they see fit.  If they feel losing and potentially losing their fanbase with the hopes of getting a higher draft pick is a good thing they should be able to do it.  We as fans at that point get to decide if we want to support the team or not. 

[BlazermannParticipant]

 Every team should have a fair chance at the 1

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Interesting concept Blazerman!

You could give every team a 3.33% chance at getting the top pick.

Then you can have the next 3 picks (2-4) determined by ping pong balls with only non-playoff teams eligible.  

Pretty much the same thing but the WORST team in the league can fall all the way down to 5 (instead of 4).

Then ANY team can REALLY hit the lottery by winning the top pick.

On the flip side, you can reward contenders/good teams by making it a serpentine draft, with the BEST team in the league getting the first pick of the second round.  The best team would essentially have back to back picks at 30 and 31.  

Then you can expand to a 3rd round where the WORST team in the league gets the first pick of the 3rd round (61).

I think teams in the middle suffer the most.  So, teams picking around 20.  If the rules change their first round pick would stay in the same range (unless they hit the lottery), but their SECOND rounder would be a bit higher.  So, 40 instead of 50 and I think that makes a difference.  

Now, if they really do get rid of one and done and allow HS players to go straight to the pros, then I might still do 3 rounds, BUT, I would have 3 separate drafts basically: a high school futures draft, a college draft, and an international draft rights draft.

So, the worst teams get picked in a lottery.  The first winner gets to chose which pick he wants first: the HS futures draft, the college draft, or the international draft.  Then the 2nd team gets to choose, same with the third.  You can then do that all the way down.

Every team would have THREE picks.  

It would add more intrigue, who wants to pick higher in which draft?

For instance, if they did this and you could also draft HS guys, the top options would be Luka in the International Draft, with Ayton/Bagley/Bamba/Jackson/Trae being the top college guys, but you would also have a shot at RJ Barrett, Zion Williamson, and those guys in the HS draft.

If enough college kids don’t get drafted (after awhile they would all essentially enter the HS draft), then you could have a 4th round for college territorial picks.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mowestenParticipant]

It’s just a matter of time before there are so many teams tanking that teams will have to out-tank the tankers to make sure that they’re tanking well enough to have really tanked.

It’s possible, that if you were to ask the average fan would you rather watch another crappy Atlanta Hawks team or a league where 20 teams are trying to lose on purpose and are running out a 5’6 and under team and a co-ed team to outdo the team that is starting five drunk centers, that the tank league might have more appeal.

But it’s not the solution that the NBA should be encouraging.

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 If they want to increase competitiveness, why not make the first two rounds 5 games?

You can add a couple of extra playoff teams in each conference.  Maybe you give the top 2 seeds in each conference a bye.

More playoff teams and shorter rounds could make for more upsets and uncertainty.

 

 

 

 

[jjj10manParticipant]

 So Everyone should be in the lottery except for the top 5 teams in the league. 
Why Top 5, because generally, they’re only about 5 teams that have a chance to win a championship if everyone is healthy. (this year it was only 3-4, some years it might be 7, but around that number)

2nd the worst team in the league should only have about a 10% higher chance to get a better pick than the 24th worst team in the league; It’s not fair to fall in the 2010s ATL Hawks syndrome where you’re too good to win a championship and to low in the draft to get a meaningful piece.

3rd Allow players to enter the draft at 16. One of the underspoken reasons for the 1 and done rule is because they didn’t want to fly out to a city that doesn’t have an airport and drive to see players play. It’s way easy to watch them at Duke and North Carolina because they are so close. This also brings free press for the players($) i.e. the Hawks will sell more tickets this year and make more money because of Trae Young,  something that will never happen if he came out of HS.

But this also dilouted the talent pool of the draft if you’re not high in the top 10. Imagine if the Warriors took a chance and drafted Jalen Green instead of some guy has a 90% chance of being a role player. It would be alot more high risk high reward players in the draft and teams would have to step their scouting up

 

 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 The solotion is very simple, worst team in the league not partisipate in the lottery and automatic get the fourth pick… This will cause every team trying to build the best team they can and fighting not to be the worst…

[jonus grumbyParticipant]

 it will only cause teams to attempt to not be the worst in the league.  Being second to worst is now the ideal.  So if a team is 3rd or 4th worst they will be in full tank mode toward the end of the year.

[kobyzParticipant]

 it will be much more complicate trying to tank, teams in the 3rd or 4th worst will be affraid tankin not to get lower and land in the last spot… teams will be affraid building losing teams or going in losing diraction in the first place which is to me the biggest problem… maybe better sugestion would be to add also the second worst team in the league not perticipate in the lottery and getting automatic the 5 pick(i think my sulotion is the perfect happy middle between 1/ cleanning tanking 2/keeping the significanse of the draft of letting bad teams to improve 3/not rewarding the worst teams which is against the value of sport…

[celtics1982Participant]

 Lets not forget for some teams the draft is there only chance at superstar talent. If you make a system where they can’t get that, what are teams like the Kings going to do?

Look at the Nets they didn’t tank for years and were still very bad. Celtics fan greatly thank you.

Heck was what the Sixers did bad for Basketball? 

My issue isn’t with tanking, but when teams like the Grizz are bad and then just stop playing their best player to improve their pick. I hate that. At the sametime I have no problem with the Bulls trading Butler and starting over. It gave Minny a better chance right now and frankly it gave the Bulls a better chance down the road.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 

Team with the worst record at the end of the season goes diwn to the G league’ 

G league Champion replaces them.

[celtics1982Participant]

 I get your most likely half joking, but the Suns are a pefect example of why I don’t see a tanking problem. They tried to win giving out deals to Chandler, Knight, Bledsoe, Thomas and Dudley. Yet they sucked, so they traded off Bledsoe. At the sametime an old Chandler was injured, Williams missed most of the season, Knight missed the full season, and Dudley is just not good anymore. They weren’t sitting all-star level players to tank, just playing there young players. Guys like Booker who is a great young player and they were bad. Why punish them? If I was a Suns fan I have no issue going to games watching Booker, Chriss, Jackson, Bender, and Warren playing. I would have had a big issue if they shut down Booker and Warren to lose games. They get Ayton and now won’t come close to a top pick again for years. 

 

The NBA isn’t Baseball, tanking doesn’t mean teams won’t spend money. They have to meet the salary floor.  The NBA can never be the NFL, not with guaranteed deals. You can’t easily purge old expensive players in the NBA and easily rebuild your team almost overnight like the NFL. So I just don’t even see an issue.

 

 

 

[mowestenParticipant]

Because hiring analytics gurus to help you craft the worst line-ups in an attempt to throw games is essentially the same as your starting point guard betting $100K on the over.

Not all tankers are equal, each team is employing its own methods. My simple fear is that as more teams recognize this as a plausible path to landing "stars" the methods will become more extreme.

There are some more sophisticated fans who might understand the long term play of their favorite team and support it, however, there will be a stain on the overall product once half the league — or more — is tanking and breaking out all sorts of methods to become the best tanker.

You can’t successfully run a league if you have four contenders, six teams trying and 20 teams literally losing games on purpose by any means necessary. That’s not going to work.

 

 

 

[celtics1982Participant]

 Which teams have done that?

Your basically saying lets fix a problem before it even becomes a problem. How do you know it becomes a problem? Last year was one of the better years in a longtime for both confrences. You had teams like the Nuggets and Hornets both trying to make the playoffs and couldn’t. Frankly there way too much talent to every get to the point your talking about.

Nevermind you leave out that Owners want to earn money, which means putting fans in the seats. Even number eight seeds can earn a lot of money going to the playoffs. 

You’re talking about a world that doesn’t exist. The only team that blatantly tanked was the Sixers. Trading away a rookie of the year for a draft pick. No other team has done anything close to that. Some teams are just bad!

 

 

 

[mowestenParticipant]

You obviously haven’t been paying attention. Mark Cuban openly bragged about how his team was tanking last season.

I’m not entirely sure about your definition of the word "blatant," but the NBA obviously thought it was blatant since they handed him his largest fine ever ($600k).

Or, look up the five starters in the Memphis Grizzlies season finale and then try to convince yourself they weren’t blatantly tanking. 

 

There were at least nine teams that were blatantly tanking the second half of last season — some worse than others.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 JJ Barea got robbed of minutes and oppurtunity because of the Mavericks tanking. They had tons of games he couldve won in the 4th but they kept benching him 4th qaurter. He averaged 12 points and 6 assists in 23 minutes per game. Expect him to have a Lou Williams type impact off the bench next year for the Mavs.

[celtics1982Participant]

 In every sport teams tank once its clear they can’t make the playoffs. That’s not the same as most teams not even trying before the season starts.  Which would be a problem. Teams like the Grizz and even the Kings brought in Veterans to win. Mavs brought in Noel at the deadline the year before to win and offered him a massive deal he turned down. The Knicks gave Hardaway over 70 million. Even the crappy Magic gave out big deals a few years ago and traded for Ibaka to win now. I just don’t see an issue. The issue isn’t if teams tank, but does it hurt the sport?

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

I like tacos

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Make it where a team can’t get a top 3 pick two years in a row.

Probably suggest first by others, but I think it makes sense — kinda.

 

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