[llperez]

All the sixers supporters will repeat over and over how it’s all about winning rings and you can’t win rings without superstars therefore high draft picks and salary space means more then anything. Well as a fan of sports, as much as I want to see my teams win rings, there is undoubtedly a ton of enjoyment that comes from just being competitive. You think clippers fans or thunder fans are bummed right not and not having run? You think kings fans in the early 2000’s or jazz fans from the 90’s weren’t enjoying themselves and loving watching their teams play? I’ll tell you, I started watching lakers in 1992 when they won 39 games and were the 8 seed pushing barkleys Suns to the 5th and final deciding game. And I loved it. I loved it when van exel and Eddie jones and ceballos turned us into a 50 win team that competed and advanced in the playoffs. Sure the last game of the season was always bitter. Knowing you had to wait til next year. But the fun is the journey and not just the end result. That’s why I can’t stand behind a team openly tanking to make sure they are as bad as can be while their fans stay in denial boasting about how awesome it is to know their 10 win team who’s been getting laughed at for the last 3 years is doing it the smart way. As a laker fan who is currently watching an embarrassment of a team, I long for the days of 40+ wins and knowing teams have to take us serious. Titles are great but they are not the only reason I pop a beer and sit back to watch my team play.

[Hype Machine]

Yeah I personally dont have 5 years of my life to wait while my team purposely loses. Life goes by too quick.

 

I follow the Jazz which is a perennial non-contender…yet theyve never stopped trying to win every single game. Thats why I watch every game I can…in the hope they win.

 

I wouldn’t trade the opportunity to follow a contender for 5 years of misery and milking a system that rewards failure…..I’ll take the .500 team that keeps its honour. 

Furthermore….as a fan I have a right to be equal parts critical and equal parts cheerful. Wheres all the critical 76ers fans speaking up? Too busy defending their team’s tactics to question them.

 

Go Jazz. On the way up (the proper way) and finally gonna make the playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Yeah I personally dont have 5 years of my life to wait while my team purposely loses. Life goes by too quick.

 

I follow the Jazz which is a perennial non-contender…yet theyve never stopped trying to win every single game. Thats why I watch every game I can…in the hope they win.

 

I wouldn’t trade the opportunity to follow a contender for 5 years of misery and milking a system that rewards failure…..I’ll take the .500 team that keeps its honour. 

Furthermore….as a fan I have a right to be equal parts critical and equal parts cheerful. Wheres all the critical 76ers fans speaking up? Too busy defending their team’s tactics to question them.

 

Go Jazz. On the way up (the proper way) and finally gonna make the playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

 but do your jazz have a legitimate shot at actually winning?? 

[negguaryParticipant]

 but do your jazz have a legitimate shot at actually winning?? 

[Hype Machine]

At this point, theyre closer than Philly…who seem like theyre on the verge of completely imploding.

The Jazz are a team on the rise…how could anyone be less than impressed with what they’re doing? 

They’re stacked with young talent on great contracts who are all thrilled to be there.

I could name 25 teams that arent within striking distance of a championship. 

 

[Hype Machine]

At this point, theyre closer than Philly…who seem like theyre on the verge of completely imploding.

The Jazz are a team on the rise…how could anyone be less than impressed with what they’re doing? 

They’re stacked with young talent on great contracts who are all thrilled to be there.

I could name 25 teams that arent within striking distance of a championship. 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Sixers have been out of touch with their fans since Iverson was traded. That was Ten years ago. The current tank started 2.5 years ago at the trade deadline when Hinkie moved Carter-Williams and Iggy.  If Embiid were healthy this past year the tank would have ended after 1.5 years.  Remember when David Robinson went down and the Spurs didn’t go out of there way to win games…yeah me too. My point is as a fan the last twelve years have sucked so a couple more to build a solid base is nothing. As a Sixers fan. What is tgis five year tankbyou speak of. And remember, I’m a Sixers fan so I follow the team all day everyday. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Sixers have been out of touch with their fans since Iverson was traded. That was Ten years ago. The current tank started 2.5 years ago at the trade deadline when Hinkie moved Carter-Williams and Iggy.  If Embiid were healthy this past year the tank would have ended after 1.5 years.  Remember when David Robinson went down and the Spurs didn’t go out of there way to win games…yeah me too. My point is as a fan the last twelve years have sucked so a couple more to build a solid base is nothing. As a Sixers fan. What is tgis five year tankbyou speak of. And remember, I’m a Sixers fan so I follow the team all day everyday. 

[negguaryParticipant]

The thing is though that Utah isn’t an attractive free agent destination. For two ,while I do agree that you guys do have young talented players, they all are mid-level talents, no superstars or someone who can take the game over. Say what you want you cant win without a superstar. I don’t care how good of team ball you play its just not happening. Maybe the pistons but even they had three players maybe four who made the allstar game. I mean maybe Exum and hood can break out but still a BIG IF. Which leads to the next problem because you guys a mid-level team you will only get a mid-level pick which means you can’t draft a star, and because Utah isn’t appealing to FA”s your kind of stuck. Which means you have to rely on developing a mid-level team with players who don’t really have a high ceiling. Now I understand if your a fan that’s ok with knowing that your team will be competitive, but doesn’t have an actual shot and your a die hard fan that just likes to watch your team play then cool. The thing is REAL Philly fans won’t accept that and don’t have that mindset. We’re naturally competitive and want to win it all, ad would rather have a true shot at winning it all then knowing that we’re yeah but not quite!

[negguaryParticipant]

The thing is though that Utah isn’t an attractive free agent destination. For two ,while I do agree that you guys do have young talented players, they all are mid-level talents, no superstars or someone who can take the game over. Say what you want you cant win without a superstar. I don’t care how good of team ball you play its just not happening. Maybe the pistons but even they had three players maybe four who made the allstar game. I mean maybe Exum and hood can break out but still a BIG IF. Which leads to the next problem because you guys a mid-level team you will only get a mid-level pick which means you can’t draft a star, and because Utah isn’t appealing to FA”s your kind of stuck. Which means you have to rely on developing a mid-level team with players who don’t really have a high ceiling. Now I understand if your a fan that’s ok with knowing that your team will be competitive, but doesn’t have an actual shot and your a die hard fan that just likes to watch your team play then cool. The thing is REAL Philly fans won’t accept that and don’t have that mindset. We’re naturally competitive and want to win it all, ad would rather have a true shot at winning it all then knowing that we’re yeah but not quite!

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 but people are forgetting that in the Summer of 2013 when Hinkie took over…… ESPN in the Future Power Rankings …… where they project teams by their young talent & their stockpile or pipeline of Draft picks & estimate their ability to succeed 3 years out……..

Similar to predicting Futures in Stocks…… Rated the Sixers 25th out of 30 Franchise & this after they were just a few games Under .500 in 2013…… The Bynum trade Decimated their Roster & they gave away 3 First Round picks & Two Starters in that Deal………….

C Nik Vucevik & Andre Igudola……….. 2012 First round pick Maurice Harkless (who is currently a nice piece for Portalnd)……… And their 2015 & 2017 first round picks……..

So when Hinkie took over in May of 2013 he was Tasked by Ownership to build a Behind the scenes Infrastructure based on the young Analytics movement in ALL phases……. Sports Management, Sports Science……… And they do have a Culture of bright young minds Behind the scenes modeled on Franchises like Atlanta & Golden State……….. Two franchises that Took a LONG time to turn around…….

I think Phila should have hired a Danny Ferry or someone in that Ilk to either take the reigns from Hinkie or Work With him……. Hinkie Tried to work with Colangelo but the man is a Fossil from the 60’s running the team via Skype from Arizona like he’s the Godfather…….

That Top Down Old School….. No Analytics Model is Obsolete in the NBA……… The Sixers are about to open a State of the Art / World Class Training facility based on what we know about Nutrition & cutting edge training models……………

 that they believed would attarct athletes from all over the World interested in lengthening their careers……… And experimenting w/ new ways of monitoring their performance using not only Traditional models ……….. but new appraoches to improving athletic Anaroebic performance & Stamina…….

 & they are attracting a whole Culture of young minds from places like Standford, MIT, Harvard & so on…… It’s exciting stuff & the young athletes by all accounts Luv it…….

Admittedly Hinkie did a Horrific Job SELLING these things…… In fact, he reminded me of the awkward science geek who has Really Cool ideas but is So Terrified of people he is incapable of expressing them….. And I believe That is where Ownership failed the Team & the City……. 

But what do they do now?….. Uproot All that behind the scenes Infrastructure & hire a 76 y/o man who has been in town 5 times since they brought him on board??? Hinkie built a pipeline & they are Loaded w/1st round picks….. Loaded…… & many of them are Lottery picks……….

 So if I was a Phila fan I would be Distraught at the Colangelos running my Fav team………. And that is what’s Bizzare to me…… The Nets don’t have a 1st round pick until 2019 but the League Office is Fine w/ that…… & if they were going to intervene why not let them chose their Own replacement……

Something had to be done…… This year’s team was the Worst I have Ever seen…. I get that Embbid & Saric were supposed to play….. I get that Marshall & Wroten were Supposed to start at the Guards spots……… So I am ok w/ Making them hire a Danny Ferry like I mentioned above or someone Like Ferry – UNDER 76 years old!………

 But Forcing Colangelo on them was the equivalent of infecting that organization with Cancer….. Brian Colangelo was just Turned Down by The Brooklyn Nets for their GM job…….. Think about that……

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 but people are forgetting that in the Summer of 2013 when Hinkie took over…… ESPN in the Future Power Rankings …… where they project teams by their young talent & their stockpile or pipeline of Draft picks & estimate their ability to succeed 3 years out……..

Similar to predicting Futures in Stocks…… Rated the Sixers 25th out of 30 Franchise & this after they were just a few games Under .500 in 2013…… The Bynum trade Decimated their Roster & they gave away 3 First Round picks & Two Starters in that Deal………….

C Nik Vucevik & Andre Igudola……….. 2012 First round pick Maurice Harkless (who is currently a nice piece for Portalnd)……… And their 2015 & 2017 first round picks……..

So when Hinkie took over in May of 2013 he was Tasked by Ownership to build a Behind the scenes Infrastructure based on the young Analytics movement in ALL phases……. Sports Management, Sports Science……… And they do have a Culture of bright young minds Behind the scenes modeled on Franchises like Atlanta & Golden State……….. Two franchises that Took a LONG time to turn around…….

I think Phila should have hired a Danny Ferry or someone in that Ilk to either take the reigns from Hinkie or Work With him……. Hinkie Tried to work with Colangelo but the man is a Fossil from the 60’s running the team via Skype from Arizona like he’s the Godfather…….

That Top Down Old School….. No Analytics Model is Obsolete in the NBA……… The Sixers are about to open a State of the Art / World Class Training facility based on what we know about Nutrition & cutting edge training models……………

 that they believed would attarct athletes from all over the World interested in lengthening their careers……… And experimenting w/ new ways of monitoring their performance using not only Traditional models ……….. but new appraoches to improving athletic Anaroebic performance & Stamina…….

 & they are attracting a whole Culture of young minds from places like Standford, MIT, Harvard & so on…… It’s exciting stuff & the young athletes by all accounts Luv it…….

Admittedly Hinkie did a Horrific Job SELLING these things…… In fact, he reminded me of the awkward science geek who has Really Cool ideas but is So Terrified of people he is incapable of expressing them….. And I believe That is where Ownership failed the Team & the City……. 

But what do they do now?….. Uproot All that behind the scenes Infrastructure & hire a 76 y/o man who has been in town 5 times since they brought him on board??? Hinkie built a pipeline & they are Loaded w/1st round picks….. Loaded…… & many of them are Lottery picks……….

 So if I was a Phila fan I would be Distraught at the Colangelos running my Fav team………. And that is what’s Bizzare to me…… The Nets don’t have a 1st round pick until 2019 but the League Office is Fine w/ that…… & if they were going to intervene why not let them chose their Own replacement……

Something had to be done…… This year’s team was the Worst I have Ever seen…. I get that Embbid & Saric were supposed to play….. I get that Marshall & Wroten were Supposed to start at the Guards spots……… So I am ok w/ Making them hire a Danny Ferry like I mentioned above or someone Like Ferry – UNDER 76 years old!………

 But Forcing Colangelo on them was the equivalent of infecting that organization with Cancer….. Brian Colangelo was just Turned Down by The Brooklyn Nets for their GM job…….. Think about that……

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Teams experience all kinds of bad luck without taking the 76ers approach.

Theres more than 1 way to skin a cat…

I like all sports eg. Golf, Soccer, Football, Athletics and Motor Sport. I’ve never seen a professional team or athlete intentionally lose like Philly has. 

 

Its only partly their fault. I run a management consultancy (I have a job believe it or not), and the first thing I’d tell my clients is that if control mechanisms are in place that reward undesirable behaviour, you can be certain that people will be motivated to pursue such rewards. The NBA should have seen this coming. 

It’s only the collective goodwill of 29 other franchises, (in addition to skepticism that rewards outweigh the consequences) that has stopped this happening previously.

[Hype Machine]

Teams experience all kinds of bad luck without taking the 76ers approach.

Theres more than 1 way to skin a cat…

I like all sports eg. Golf, Soccer, Football, Athletics and Motor Sport. I’ve never seen a professional team or athlete intentionally lose like Philly has. 

 

Its only partly their fault. I run a management consultancy (I have a job believe it or not), and the first thing I’d tell my clients is that if control mechanisms are in place that reward undesirable behaviour, you can be certain that people will be motivated to pursue such rewards. The NBA should have seen this coming. 

It’s only the collective goodwill of 29 other franchises, (in addition to skepticism that rewards outweigh the consequences) that has stopped this happening previously.

[negguaryParticipant]

How would you have skinned the cat if you were in his shoes and has a mediocre roster at best that would not get you a high draft pick, abs oh yeah you do y have picks on 2015 and 2017.  Your in management what would you have done to put this company in the best position if you inherited what he did. Remember the goal is to actually be competitive not cekrbratevthebegith seed remember the is Philly a very demanding city. Go!

[negguaryParticipant]

How would you have skinned the cat if you were in his shoes and has a mediocre roster at best that would not get you a high draft pick, abs oh yeah you do y have picks on 2015 and 2017.  Your in management what would you have done to put this company in the best position if you inherited what he did. Remember the goal is to actually be competitive not cekrbratevthebegith seed remember the is Philly a very demanding city. Go!

[Hype Machine]

 Thats a fair question, but not a difficult one to answer.

Before I make the list….whatever I say only applies if they never embark on ‘the process’…simply dont start the ridiculous 5-year plan. Don’t do it…if you start it…you cant turn back. It was a big mistake to begin with.

 

1) Create an environment where players want to come, and stay. I cant stress how important this is. Not a place where players want to avoid. Philly is full of unhappy players.

Examples: MCWs comments on leaving. Okafors expression on arriving & reaction to Boston Heckler. Porzingis made it clear he didn’t want to go there. What do you think goes through Simmons mind when fans chant 76ers lol. No-one wants to stay there. No one wants to go there. 

Elsewhere: how much did David West sacrafice to go to San Antonio? Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli are 1-team players. They sacrafice money to stay there. Everyone loves playing for Mark Cuban so hes always in the mix for free agents. Again..Nowotzki sacraficed money. Compare that to Philly. Pass.

2) Draft better. They took 2 severely injured Centres…then another who didn’t want to go and they didn’t need. They took a Euro player that wont come until hes not on a rookie deal (if ever). Utah took Hood and Gobert late in the draft. Golden State didn’t get Thompson, Green and Curry by tanking. Draft better! This is an obvious one. 

3) Promote a winning culture…even if winning isn’t always possible. Theres been systematic losing for years. Why would anyone put up with that. Its absurd. How can anyone who has ever played or watched sports not know that systematic losing is going to create problems. These are competitive athletes…and their management wants them to lose.

4) Bring in Free Agents. Hard to do once they’ve totally sh!t the bed…but there is plenty of guys wanting an opportunity or more money. This is what normal teams do. Even L.A. signed Hibbert. Look at Detroit. Look at Portland. Took risks despite adversity. Bring in Reggie Jackson, Aron Baynes. Theyre not contenders, but players and fans see a commitment to winning and want to be a part of it. Act bold. Take risks. Show a commitment to getting better.

5) Dont make a laughing stock of the entire community. The damage is irrepairable. Philly fans dont deserve to spend 5 years watching garbage and defending ridiculous strategies. What about sponsors? The broadcasters? Local businesses. You think any kids aged 15 and under are going to choose Philly as their team? The stands are empty. Its a shell of a once great fanbase. 

6) Get a better front office. Hinkie. Now the Collangelo family?

 

Honestly…you’re 100% entitled to your opinion. If you think all this ridicule and losing will  be worth it and bring a title, thats fine. I think they’re doing more harm than good and they’re as far away as anyone. Further. That’s my opinion and Im not alone. 

 

One thing I want to touch on…What if every non contender did what Philly did. You’d have 20+ teams all hoping to win 15 games or less. The league would fall apart.

Fortunately…its clearly not working so its actually serving as a disincentive.

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Thats a fair question, but not a difficult one to answer.

Before I make the list….whatever I say only applies if they never embark on ‘the process’…simply dont start the ridiculous 5-year plan. Don’t do it…if you start it…you cant turn back. It was a big mistake to begin with.

 

1) Create an environment where players want to come, and stay. I cant stress how important this is. Not a place where players want to avoid. Philly is full of unhappy players.

Examples: MCWs comments on leaving. Okafors expression on arriving & reaction to Boston Heckler. Porzingis made it clear he didn’t want to go there. What do you think goes through Simmons mind when fans chant 76ers lol. No-one wants to stay there. No one wants to go there. 

Elsewhere: how much did David West sacrafice to go to San Antonio? Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli are 1-team players. They sacrafice money to stay there. Everyone loves playing for Mark Cuban so hes always in the mix for free agents. Again..Nowotzki sacraficed money. Compare that to Philly. Pass.

2) Draft better. They took 2 severely injured Centres…then another who didn’t want to go and they didn’t need. They took a Euro player that wont come until hes not on a rookie deal (if ever). Utah took Hood and Gobert late in the draft. Golden State didn’t get Thompson, Green and Curry by tanking. Draft better! This is an obvious one. 

3) Promote a winning culture…even if winning isn’t always possible. Theres been systematic losing for years. Why would anyone put up with that. Its absurd. How can anyone who has ever played or watched sports not know that systematic losing is going to create problems. These are competitive athletes…and their management wants them to lose.

4) Bring in Free Agents. Hard to do once they’ve totally sh!t the bed…but there is plenty of guys wanting an opportunity or more money. This is what normal teams do. Even L.A. signed Hibbert. Look at Detroit. Look at Portland. Took risks despite adversity. Bring in Reggie Jackson, Aron Baynes. Theyre not contenders, but players and fans see a commitment to winning and want to be a part of it. Act bold. Take risks. Show a commitment to getting better.

5) Dont make a laughing stock of the entire community. The damage is irrepairable. Philly fans dont deserve to spend 5 years watching garbage and defending ridiculous strategies. What about sponsors? The broadcasters? Local businesses. You think any kids aged 15 and under are going to choose Philly as their team? The stands are empty. Its a shell of a once great fanbase. 

6) Get a better front office. Hinkie. Now the Collangelo family?

 

Honestly…you’re 100% entitled to your opinion. If you think all this ridicule and losing will  be worth it and bring a title, thats fine. I think they’re doing more harm than good and they’re as far away as anyone. Further. That’s my opinion and Im not alone. 

 

One thing I want to touch on…What if every non contender did what Philly did. You’d have 20+ teams all hoping to win 15 games or less. The league would fall apart.

Fortunately…its clearly not working so its actually serving as a disincentive.

 

 

 

[IlladelphParticipant]

Great post Hype Machine.  Hinkie’s strategy was ill-conceived from the start, and he was incapable of seeing the big picture.  His entire strategy is supposedly justified by drafting well, but teams draft poorly all the time.  Olowakandi, Kwame Brown, Anthony Bennett, Darko, etc…  I mean, Noel, Okafor, and Embiid are good players but wree they worth tanking for for the last 3 seasons?  Embiid hasn’t even played one game.  

 

[IlladelphParticipant]

Great post Hype Machine.  Hinkie’s strategy was ill-conceived from the start, and he was incapable of seeing the big picture.  His entire strategy is supposedly justified by drafting well, but teams draft poorly all the time.  Olowakandi, Kwame Brown, Anthony Bennett, Darko, etc…  I mean, Noel, Okafor, and Embiid are good players but wree they worth tanking for for the last 3 seasons?  Embiid hasn’t even played one game.  

 

[timinator1Participant]

 Let’s also remember the rest of the league, including 29 owners who are interested in making money. You don’t sell tickets to lousy games. So if you don’t get a healthy box office from your games in Philly, and you don’t get much when they come to your town, you fight back. No one was going to let Philly do this for 5 YEARS.

On top of that, there are teams like Brooklyn, Charlotte (in previous years), Phx, etc who are actually trying to win games and put out a decent entertainment product, and want to be rewarded with the appropriate draft pick to get better. When they play fair, and don’t get what they would rightly deserve (a high draft pick and a shot at a star player which equals $$ in tickets and jerseys), they’re going to fight back.

So you have fans unhappy, players unhappy, agents of potential free agents running away, draft picks telling you to go to hell, and owners who are upset about fairness and revenue and competitive balance…this Process didnt have a snow ball’s chance in hell.

 

 

[timinator1Participant]

 Let’s also remember the rest of the league, including 29 owners who are interested in making money. You don’t sell tickets to lousy games. So if you don’t get a healthy box office from your games in Philly, and you don’t get much when they come to your town, you fight back. No one was going to let Philly do this for 5 YEARS.

On top of that, there are teams like Brooklyn, Charlotte (in previous years), Phx, etc who are actually trying to win games and put out a decent entertainment product, and want to be rewarded with the appropriate draft pick to get better. When they play fair, and don’t get what they would rightly deserve (a high draft pick and a shot at a star player which equals $$ in tickets and jerseys), they’re going to fight back.

So you have fans unhappy, players unhappy, agents of potential free agents running away, draft picks telling you to go to hell, and owners who are upset about fairness and revenue and competitive balance…this Process didnt have a snow ball’s chance in hell.

 

 

[220Participant]

The Warriors didn’t officially tank to get Draymond Green, but they tanked in order to keep their first round pick that year because if it fell one more spot the Jazz would’ve had their pick. Subsequently it caused them to be in the draft position in the second round to get Draymond Green. Perhaps they could have got him anyway, but we’ll never know for sure.

[220Participant]

The Warriors didn’t officially tank to get Draymond Green, but they tanked in order to keep their first round pick that year because if it fell one more spot the Jazz would’ve had their pick. Subsequently it caused them to be in the draft position in the second round to get Draymond Green. Perhaps they could have got him anyway, but we’ll never know for sure.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

 The Warriors got the pick they used on Green in a trade with the Nets in 2011.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

 The Warriors got the pick they used on Green in a trade with the Nets in 2011.

[220Participant]

 My bad you’re right on that.

[220Participant]

 My bad you’re right on that.

[rcomly21Participant]

Honestly, I had been hoping for Hinkie to be fired for two years now. It was an utter disgrace what he was doing. I was on board with tanking for a year or two, and doing so respectfully while winning 20 to 25 games. Struggling to get to double digit wins is a flat out disgrace in an 82 game season. However, the extent of the tank has been dreadful and has made the team impossible to watch. I never used to miss a game and did not mind spending my money to go to games. Now I find myself only checking in for parts of games, or watching when they are playing teams I enjoy watching. Additionally there is no way I would waste my money to go watch this D league team play. The first 2 years of tanking have yielded very little concrete evidence to show the “process” (what a joke) is going to be successful. In my eyes the whole plan is hinging on Joel Embiid being healthy and reaching his potential and hopefully landing Brandon Ingram, Buddy Hield or both in this draft. Nerlens Noel is a backup big. While he is great as a defender, that is washed out by his equally terrible offense. He is so uncoordinated it is funny to watch at times, he routinely can’t catch passes cleanly and has zero touch or feel around the rim. Okafor on the other hand is the complete opposite. He is super gifted offensively, but as good as he is on offense, he is that bad on defense. Hopefully he can improve here, but his feet move so slow in pick and rolls and he seems very disinterested on that end of the floor. Ish smith is an average backup point guard with no jump shot, Robert Covington is a shooter who is inconsistent. Jerami Grant I have some hope for because he is a long athletic freak and has made some nice progress. Carl Landry is a solid veteran backup big. Outside of these players everyone else is a 12 or 13th guy on the bench or a D league player. How pathetic 6 guys that deserve minutes in the NBA on an entire roster and one starting caliber player in Okafor. The whole plan had very few tangible things that could be counted on. It really hinges on this lottery. Which is no guaruntee. The Lakers pick is unlikely to land outside the top 3. Which gives them an off season to sell free agents on LA and become a more competitive team, drastically decreasing the value of the pick if the Sixers receive it the following year. The Heat and the Thunder picks the Sixers will receive this year will be late first rounders. Which if the Sixers hit on these picks they may get 2 backup roll players. So like I said very few guarantees for the Sixers and too many things that have to go right. Hopefully, the Sixers get Embiid back healthy next year, hopefully they draft Brandon Ingram, and hopefully Jerry Colangelo has enough respect to make the Sixers big players in free agency with their huge salary cap space. If these things happen I will begin to have hope again. Sam Hinkie made watching the team I grew up loving a nightmare the last few seasons and hopefully Colangelo can start the process of making us competitive again.

[rcomly21Participant]

Honestly, I had been hoping for Hinkie to be fired for two years now. It was an utter disgrace what he was doing. I was on board with tanking for a year or two, and doing so respectfully while winning 20 to 25 games. Struggling to get to double digit wins is a flat out disgrace in an 82 game season. However, the extent of the tank has been dreadful and has made the team impossible to watch. I never used to miss a game and did not mind spending my money to go to games. Now I find myself only checking in for parts of games, or watching when they are playing teams I enjoy watching. Additionally there is no way I would waste my money to go watch this D league team play. The first 2 years of tanking have yielded very little concrete evidence to show the “process” (what a joke) is going to be successful. In my eyes the whole plan is hinging on Joel Embiid being healthy and reaching his potential and hopefully landing Brandon Ingram, Buddy Hield or both in this draft. Nerlens Noel is a backup big. While he is great as a defender, that is washed out by his equally terrible offense. He is so uncoordinated it is funny to watch at times, he routinely can’t catch passes cleanly and has zero touch or feel around the rim. Okafor on the other hand is the complete opposite. He is super gifted offensively, but as good as he is on offense, he is that bad on defense. Hopefully he can improve here, but his feet move so slow in pick and rolls and he seems very disinterested on that end of the floor. Ish smith is an average backup point guard with no jump shot, Robert Covington is a shooter who is inconsistent. Jerami Grant I have some hope for because he is a long athletic freak and has made some nice progress. Carl Landry is a solid veteran backup big. Outside of these players everyone else is a 12 or 13th guy on the bench or a D league player. How pathetic 6 guys that deserve minutes in the NBA on an entire roster and one starting caliber player in Okafor. The whole plan had very few tangible things that could be counted on. It really hinges on this lottery. Which is no guaruntee. The Lakers pick is unlikely to land outside the top 3. Which gives them an off season to sell free agents on LA and become a more competitive team, drastically decreasing the value of the pick if the Sixers receive it the following year. The Heat and the Thunder picks the Sixers will receive this year will be late first rounders. Which if the Sixers hit on these picks they may get 2 backup roll players. So like I said very few guarantees for the Sixers and too many things that have to go right. Hopefully, the Sixers get Embiid back healthy next year, hopefully they draft Brandon Ingram, and hopefully Jerry Colangelo has enough respect to make the Sixers big players in free agency with their huge salary cap space. If these things happen I will begin to have hope again. Sam Hinkie made watching the team I grew up loving a nightmare the last few seasons and hopefully Colangelo can start the process of making us competitive again.

[220Participant]

 I can’t say I agree with all your points, but I do agree with the general idea of your comment. After 3 seasons the 76ers really don’t have concrete evidence that the process has been successful. Yes they’ve acquired first round picks, but if you don’t get lucky or make the right selection those picks mean much less.

Taking three centers in the lottery three years in a row was absolute lunacy especially considering it was obvious that two of them were injured and the likelihood they could play together was always poor. The game is changing to be far more perimeter oriented so trying to play two centers together is a hard task. Jahlil Okafor’s addition forced Nerlens Noel’s defensive presence to the perimeter to chase stretch fours which ultimately resulted in the team being worse defensively. For all Okafor’s offensive greatness he rarely seems to care about defense and rebounding.

 Hinkie did find some rotational players, but there are loads of them in the NBA. His master plan was to add superstars through the draft and he hasn’t succeeded thus far.

The largest mistake he made was ignoring the human factor. People in the organization, players, and fans were bound to be increasingly demoralized with each losing season. Losing seasons happen, but I’ve never seen a team gut their roster to replace it with guys who don’t belong in the NBA. I believe Tom Penn said a year or two ago that when these draft picks are up for free agency it would be incredibly difficult to get them to stay in such a losing environment.

I imagine at least half the roster is different next year. Hopefully the Colangelo’s hire some people competent in analytics and utilize it correctly because it’s undoubtedly a tool. The problem is analytics without guys who understand the sport and players will lead to problems like the 76ers have had.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 I can’t say I agree with all your points, but I do agree with the general idea of your comment. After 3 seasons the 76ers really don’t have concrete evidence that the process has been successful. Yes they’ve acquired first round picks, but if you don’t get lucky or make the right selection those picks mean much less.

Taking three centers in the lottery three years in a row was absolute lunacy especially considering it was obvious that two of them were injured and the likelihood they could play together was always poor. The game is changing to be far more perimeter oriented so trying to play two centers together is a hard task. Jahlil Okafor’s addition forced Nerlens Noel’s defensive presence to the perimeter to chase stretch fours which ultimately resulted in the team being worse defensively. For all Okafor’s offensive greatness he rarely seems to care about defense and rebounding.

 Hinkie did find some rotational players, but there are loads of them in the NBA. His master plan was to add superstars through the draft and he hasn’t succeeded thus far.

The largest mistake he made was ignoring the human factor. People in the organization, players, and fans were bound to be increasingly demoralized with each losing season. Losing seasons happen, but I’ve never seen a team gut their roster to replace it with guys who don’t belong in the NBA. I believe Tom Penn said a year or two ago that when these draft picks are up for free agency it would be incredibly difficult to get them to stay in such a losing environment.

I imagine at least half the roster is different next year. Hopefully the Colangelo’s hire some people competent in analytics and utilize it correctly because it’s undoubtedly a tool. The problem is analytics without guys who understand the sport and players will lead to problems like the 76ers have had.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

Canaan, Ish, Stauskus, Covington, Grant, Okafor, and Noel… I thought they’d be better than last year at least. I know they purposely failed to sign a real free agent that would improve their record, but did the coach actively try to do worse than the Lakers? I mean, 10 wins feel a little criminal.

[MopgrassParticipant]

Canaan, Ish, Stauskus, Covington, Grant, Okafor, and Noel… I thought they’d be better than last year at least. I know they purposely failed to sign a real free agent that would improve their record, but did the coach actively try to do worse than the Lakers? I mean, 10 wins feel a little criminal.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 1st Off, Sam Hinkie made some amazing moves to get us back some lost Draft Picks via the Bynum fiasco, the Lottery gods were not on his side and he missed out on Wiggins in his second draft and than HAD to take Joel Embiid over Gordon and Randle, who were also injured their rookie year, Joel needed another year to heal after a 2nd minor surgery, taking Embiid essentially got us back a draft pick and ensured the fact we’d be at the bottom of the standings, all great during a total rebuild but the move earned Hinkie a ton of hate too…

Hinkie’s first draft landed him Nerlens Noel, MCW and Dario Saric eventually, McW won ROY posting up big numbers on a bad team, Hinkie was a little quick on the trigger and traded him for what could be a Top 5-10 Pick this year or next via LA (Which has all my LA boys tight right now LOL) Noel looks like a defensive savant and Saric could end up being a very good F when he arrives, people forget he was a better player and prospect than Porzingas coming out (who was being scouted and prized by Sam Hinkie, had Okafor not been available, Porzingas would be in Philly right now!)

Enter draft 3, where he has the 3rd pick again, he’s draft at 11th(MCW) and 3rd Twice(Embiid and Okafor) Again, he has to play the hand he’s dealt, the year prior Embiid’s injury dropped him to 3, Hinkie could’ve picked Exum, Gordon or Randle here but they all have missed significant amounts of time with injuries as well, so I’m willing to live with this decision even though I love Gordon and Randle…

Again NOBODY saw the Lakers passing on Okafor at 2, Hinkie was ready to shock the world and take Porzingas over Russell(I cant stress to you how much he loved Kristaps, was going to take him the year prior, eventually landed Saric because he pulled out, go check the facts)…So The Lakers pass on Jahlil Okafor and put Hinkie in a tough position, he wanted Kristaps but he knows he cant take him over Okafor and save his head(he would’ve been killed for the move on draft night) So he bites the Bullet and takes the talented C even though he has Embiid and Noel on the roster, if Noel develops a jumper he can play PF off Okafor, Embiid being 100% makes both guys 5 Star trade assets, Saric can play with any of them IMO…

Now that we’re caught up to speed on his draft dayacquisitiosns, I’ll point out his FAILURES IN FREE AGENCY…He should have signed some vets to groom Noel, Embiid and Okafor (I don’t include MCW who Im glad we traded)

Now I’ll also point out his 2nd round FAILURE and Success, he’s gotten Jeremi Grant and Rachaun Holmes in the 2nd Round but he’s missed out a ton of solid Guards, while the league is trending toward strong G play, we were running out Canaan, Stauskas, McConnell, Marshall and Wroten…I wanted guys like RJ Hunter, Norman Powell and a few other guys with 1 of the many 2nd round picks but WHATEVER, he took some more bigs and brought all the hate on himself, had he landed a steal at SG the media-fans wouldn’t be so quick to call him an idiot or failure…

Nobody in Philadelphia wants to lose, we don’t celebrate it, we actually admire hard work and toughness, nobody can doubt Hinkie worked hard to get the 76ers the draft picks they lost to Orlando and Boston, he had to be tough to take all the heat, everyone knew he would fall on the dword once the NBA got their boy Jerry Colangelo involved, they can now be assured that any success will be credited to Colangelo and his son, and that every thing negative that occurs from here on it will be blamed on Hinkie and his "process"

All the negative news coverage will stop the minute Philadelphia lands the Top Pick and Brandon Ingram, all hell breaks loose if they also land the Lakers pick at 4!!!

Im guessing now that Colangelo is there, ownership will want to chase a Free Agent this year, the biggest fish being Conley, Derezon, Barnes and few others, only Conley makes sense if you’re trying to add wins immediately, I doubt they attract a HUGE fish like Westbrook and Durant, but they could land a Conley if the overpay for his services…

I also have Jerry and his boy trading Okafor(trade value, off court issues, team fit) and in a way I’d love to move him for an All Star G like Jimmy Butler…Although we’re all down on the Colangelo’s they do have some connections to the NBA commissioner and other GM’s and even extends to Team USA basketball…

As doom and gloomy as everyone seems to be when discussing the 76ers, they have a 50% chance to land a Top 2 pick and could also add another 3 first rounders via Miami, OKC and LA…

The 76ers could actually be a surprising team next year IF they add a FREE AGENT like Conley, TRADE Okafor for Butler, DRAFT Ingram or Simmons in the Top 2 plus the duo of Joel Embiid and Dario Saric will finally step foot on an NBA court…

Lets all bookmark this post to see what happens at the Lottery, Draft and Free Agency…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 1st Off, Sam Hinkie made some amazing moves to get us back some lost Draft Picks via the Bynum fiasco, the Lottery gods were not on his side and he missed out on Wiggins in his second draft and than HAD to take Joel Embiid over Gordon and Randle, who were also injured their rookie year, Joel needed another year to heal after a 2nd minor surgery, taking Embiid essentially got us back a draft pick and ensured the fact we’d be at the bottom of the standings, all great during a total rebuild but the move earned Hinkie a ton of hate too…

Hinkie’s first draft landed him Nerlens Noel, MCW and Dario Saric eventually, McW won ROY posting up big numbers on a bad team, Hinkie was a little quick on the trigger and traded him for what could be a Top 5-10 Pick this year or next via LA (Which has all my LA boys tight right now LOL) Noel looks like a defensive savant and Saric could end up being a very good F when he arrives, people forget he was a better player and prospect than Porzingas coming out (who was being scouted and prized by Sam Hinkie, had Okafor not been available, Porzingas would be in Philly right now!)

Enter draft 3, where he has the 3rd pick again, he’s draft at 11th(MCW) and 3rd Twice(Embiid and Okafor) Again, he has to play the hand he’s dealt, the year prior Embiid’s injury dropped him to 3, Hinkie could’ve picked Exum, Gordon or Randle here but they all have missed significant amounts of time with injuries as well, so I’m willing to live with this decision even though I love Gordon and Randle…

Again NOBODY saw the Lakers passing on Okafor at 2, Hinkie was ready to shock the world and take Porzingas over Russell(I cant stress to you how much he loved Kristaps, was going to take him the year prior, eventually landed Saric because he pulled out, go check the facts)…So The Lakers pass on Jahlil Okafor and put Hinkie in a tough position, he wanted Kristaps but he knows he cant take him over Okafor and save his head(he would’ve been killed for the move on draft night) So he bites the Bullet and takes the talented C even though he has Embiid and Noel on the roster, if Noel develops a jumper he can play PF off Okafor, Embiid being 100% makes both guys 5 Star trade assets, Saric can play with any of them IMO…

Now that we’re caught up to speed on his draft dayacquisitiosns, I’ll point out his FAILURES IN FREE AGENCY…He should have signed some vets to groom Noel, Embiid and Okafor (I don’t include MCW who Im glad we traded)

Now I’ll also point out his 2nd round FAILURE and Success, he’s gotten Jeremi Grant and Rachaun Holmes in the 2nd Round but he’s missed out a ton of solid Guards, while the league is trending toward strong G play, we were running out Canaan, Stauskas, McConnell, Marshall and Wroten…I wanted guys like RJ Hunter, Norman Powell and a few other guys with 1 of the many 2nd round picks but WHATEVER, he took some more bigs and brought all the hate on himself, had he landed a steal at SG the media-fans wouldn’t be so quick to call him an idiot or failure…

Nobody in Philadelphia wants to lose, we don’t celebrate it, we actually admire hard work and toughness, nobody can doubt Hinkie worked hard to get the 76ers the draft picks they lost to Orlando and Boston, he had to be tough to take all the heat, everyone knew he would fall on the dword once the NBA got their boy Jerry Colangelo involved, they can now be assured that any success will be credited to Colangelo and his son, and that every thing negative that occurs from here on it will be blamed on Hinkie and his "process"

All the negative news coverage will stop the minute Philadelphia lands the Top Pick and Brandon Ingram, all hell breaks loose if they also land the Lakers pick at 4!!!

Im guessing now that Colangelo is there, ownership will want to chase a Free Agent this year, the biggest fish being Conley, Derezon, Barnes and few others, only Conley makes sense if you’re trying to add wins immediately, I doubt they attract a HUGE fish like Westbrook and Durant, but they could land a Conley if the overpay for his services…

I also have Jerry and his boy trading Okafor(trade value, off court issues, team fit) and in a way I’d love to move him for an All Star G like Jimmy Butler…Although we’re all down on the Colangelo’s they do have some connections to the NBA commissioner and other GM’s and even extends to Team USA basketball…

As doom and gloomy as everyone seems to be when discussing the 76ers, they have a 50% chance to land a Top 2 pick and could also add another 3 first rounders via Miami, OKC and LA…

The 76ers could actually be a surprising team next year IF they add a FREE AGENT like Conley, TRADE Okafor for Butler, DRAFT Ingram or Simmons in the Top 2 plus the duo of Joel Embiid and Dario Saric will finally step foot on an NBA court…

Lets all bookmark this post to see what happens at the Lottery, Draft and Free Agency…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[220Participant]

Hinkie certainly hasn’t been all bad and if the 76ers acquire a franchise player because of his work perhaps he’ll look better in hindsight. Few fan bases, organizations, and players can handle deliberate losing for years on end. If Hinkie concerned himself more with the here and now rather than stripping the team to the studs and adding draft picks then Jerry Colangelo may have never been brought in. An easy example is why didn’t Hinkie keep Ish Smith in the off season? No decent reason truthfully. He even had a second shot at him when the Wizards waived him, but he passed. Colangelo traded two second round picks for a guy who should have never been able to leave in the first place. His obsession with adding undrafted players to team friendly deals rather than getting guys who are NBA level talent, but just needed a chance drove me crazy. Sure Robert Covington and TJ McConnell have been solid additions, but that’s two guys over a three year time period that saw tons of undrafted guys getting signed and seeing decent minutes.

I hope the 76ers move Jahlil Okafor for everyone’s sake. He is a poor fit and if they could get a haul it’s worth it. I wonder how much Boston wants Okafor, perhaps their lottery pick and a player or two would get the deal done.

 

[220Participant]

Hinkie certainly hasn’t been all bad and if the 76ers acquire a franchise player because of his work perhaps he’ll look better in hindsight. Few fan bases, organizations, and players can handle deliberate losing for years on end. If Hinkie concerned himself more with the here and now rather than stripping the team to the studs and adding draft picks then Jerry Colangelo may have never been brought in. An easy example is why didn’t Hinkie keep Ish Smith in the off season? No decent reason truthfully. He even had a second shot at him when the Wizards waived him, but he passed. Colangelo traded two second round picks for a guy who should have never been able to leave in the first place. His obsession with adding undrafted players to team friendly deals rather than getting guys who are NBA level talent, but just needed a chance drove me crazy. Sure Robert Covington and TJ McConnell have been solid additions, but that’s two guys over a three year time period that saw tons of undrafted guys getting signed and seeing decent minutes.

I hope the 76ers move Jahlil Okafor for everyone’s sake. He is a poor fit and if they could get a haul it’s worth it. I wonder how much Boston wants Okafor, perhaps their lottery pick and a player or two would get the deal done.

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 This leauge is about having an Elite Player(Top 20 Guy) and thats what Hinkie is looking at. I think he is right too. I would tank to get Simmons or Ingram too. Yeah the guys he drafted got hurt so it took another year just to deal with that. 

Bottom line is we need to wait for the ping ping balls. But I think they will get an Elite Player in the draft this year. Then you start to build around Simmons/Ingram or even Murray and Okafor. He can’t start rebuilding until he had 2 elite guys to build around. 

Noel is good not elite. Then we don’t even know if Embid can stay healty. 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 This leauge is about having an Elite Player(Top 20 Guy) and thats what Hinkie is looking at. I think he is right too. I would tank to get Simmons or Ingram too. Yeah the guys he drafted got hurt so it took another year just to deal with that. 

Bottom line is we need to wait for the ping ping balls. But I think they will get an Elite Player in the draft this year. Then you start to build around Simmons/Ingram or even Murray and Okafor. He can’t start rebuilding until he had 2 elite guys to build around. 

Noel is good not elite. Then we don’t even know if Embid can stay healty. 

 

 

[Bad DogParticipant]

 I know they are a lot of Hinkie supporters on here but let’s be honest. What Hinkie accomplished during his tenure was crap. He traded away all his decent players for future draft picks and built crappy teams that would lose a ton of games so he could improve his draft lottery chances. Any idiot can accomplish that and i’m sure many of you have used this strategy on NBA2K. He also produced a crap product to be displayed on the basketball floor every night in what is the world’s finest PROFESSIONAL basketball league which i’m sure also pissed off all the other 29 teams and the league as a whole. He had three plus years to build a team that could compete and what he’s left with is two guys who have never played a NBA game (Embiid and Saric) even though they were drafted two years ago, two years of Nerlens Noel, a little more than a half year of Okafor (who also doesn’t want to be there), and this years lottery pick and a future Lakers lottery pick. If I were a NBA owner I would’ve been very upset that this guy ran my team into the ground for this long and after three years we’ve shown no tangible improvement as a franchise. What if Embiid never plays? What if Noel never develops an offensive game? What if Okafor and Noel can’t co-exist on the floor and the same time and bolt in free agency? What if this years pick falls outside the top 2? Too many unnecessary risks have been taken. This is not how you run a professional sports franchise. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

I think there are two big problems with Hinkie supporters. First, they fail to realize that after the Bynum trade flopped, Philadelphia had no choice but to rebuild. Hawes and Turner were approaching their contract year, and only Holiday and Thad Young were signed long-term. The writing was on the wall, so starting a rebuild is not a feather in Hinkie’s cap. He ought to be judged on the job he did in rebuilding them, not judged against some alternative universe where the Sixers would have been centered around Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Nick Young in perpetuity. Second, there has been a movement among fans in this league that this kind of tanking is not only the way to go, but a shortcut to success. Even when the Spurs won a title with one lottery pick on their roster, there was still a loud chant about needing top picks to have any chance to win. To judge Hinkie only on his actual record is to admit defeat, which is why I have read way too many people offering the last defense of "it was fun." Nothing was fun about watching them. I cannot imagine it was fun playing on a team that was constantly down 20 points in lightly attended arenas. Other teams in the league were using games against Philadelphia to rest their regulars, which kills the argument of fans still going to games to see the best in the game when they come to town (except, of course, Boban who did suit up and put on a show).

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

I think there are two big problems with Hinkie supporters. First, they fail to realize that after the Bynum trade flopped, Philadelphia had no choice but to rebuild. Hawes and Turner were approaching their contract year, and only Holiday and Thad Young were signed long-term. The writing was on the wall, so starting a rebuild is not a feather in Hinkie’s cap. He ought to be judged on the job he did in rebuilding them, not judged against some alternative universe where the Sixers would have been centered around Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Nick Young in perpetuity. Second, there has been a movement among fans in this league that this kind of tanking is not only the way to go, but a shortcut to success. Even when the Spurs won a title with one lottery pick on their roster, there was still a loud chant about needing top picks to have any chance to win. To judge Hinkie only on his actual record is to admit defeat, which is why I have read way too many people offering the last defense of "it was fun." Nothing was fun about watching them. I cannot imagine it was fun playing on a team that was constantly down 20 points in lightly attended arenas. Other teams in the league were using games against Philadelphia to rest their regulars, which kills the argument of fans still going to games to see the best in the game when they come to town (except, of course, Boban who did suit up and put on a show).

[Bad DogParticipant]

 I know they are a lot of Hinkie supporters on here but let’s be honest. What Hinkie accomplished during his tenure was crap. He traded away all his decent players for future draft picks and built crappy teams that would lose a ton of games so he could improve his draft lottery chances. Any idiot can accomplish that and i’m sure many of you have used this strategy on NBA2K. He also produced a crap product to be displayed on the basketball floor every night in what is the world’s finest PROFESSIONAL basketball league which i’m sure also pissed off all the other 29 teams and the league as a whole. He had three plus years to build a team that could compete and what he’s left with is two guys who have never played a NBA game (Embiid and Saric) even though they were drafted two years ago, two years of Nerlens Noel, a little more than a half year of Okafor (who also doesn’t want to be there), and this years lottery pick and a future Lakers lottery pick. If I were a NBA owner I would’ve been very upset that this guy ran my team into the ground for this long and after three years we’ve shown no tangible improvement as a franchise. What if Embiid never plays? What if Noel never develops an offensive game? What if Okafor and Noel can’t co-exist on the floor and the same time and bolt in free agency? What if this years pick falls outside the top 2? Too many unnecessary risks have been taken. This is not how you run a professional sports franchise. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Lets say the 76ers get the 2nd pick and Lakers get 1st. Or vice Versa

So they draft Ingram. 

Phoenix at 3 and Boston at 4. Now they dangle Okafor to both these teams. Boston will surely bite. Now they can draft another guard Hield or Murray or Brown. 

Now they have there cornerstone  in Ingram. Then draft Murray or Hield. A stretch big in Saric to test and see how he does, Noel slides back to Center and rim protector. Embid plays off the bench unitl he earns starter minutes. They resign Ish and bring in a couple other Veterans next year. That is a nice young team to build around.

Now the team finally has a guy in Okafor that other teams want and they can trade for someone they need. I think Oak is traded draft night.

Hinke set them up nicely. Plenty of assets to work with now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Lets say the 76ers get the 2nd pick and Lakers get 1st. Or vice Versa

So they draft Ingram. 

Phoenix at 3 and Boston at 4. Now they dangle Okafor to both these teams. Boston will surely bite. Now they can draft another guard Hield or Murray or Brown. 

Now they have there cornerstone  in Ingram. Then draft Murray or Hield. A stretch big in Saric to test and see how he does, Noel slides back to Center and rim protector. Embid plays off the bench unitl he earns starter minutes. They resign Ish and bring in a couple other Veterans next year. That is a nice young team to build around.

Now the team finally has a guy in Okafor that other teams want and they can trade for someone they need. I think Oak is traded draft night.

Hinke set them up nicely. Plenty of assets to work with now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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