[Skeating12345Participant]

Who do you guys think is the most overrated player in this year’ mock draft?

My first choice would be Willie Cauley-Stein. I just do not see how he is a projected first rounder. The only thing intriguing to me is his size. He is a solid athlete, but not an elite level athlete. He has no offensive game whatsoever. All of his points come from lobs, dumpoffs, or putbacks. He has not shown any improvement from his solid freshman campaign. I am not saying that he will never be a solid pro, but I just do not understand the hype with him. I would honestly take Isaiah Austin, even with all of his struggles, over Stein.

[JM40Participant]

Dario Saric

Glenn Robinson III

Jordan Clarkson

 

[JM40Participant]

Dario Saric

Glenn Robinson III

Jordan Clarkson

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 I like Austin as a late 1st or early 2nd player. His size and shooting can make him a long career as long as he is decent on the glass.

However, to call WCS just a solid athlete is a complete disservice to him. I just watched him tonight deny the LSU point guard from the inbound pass, even after the PG made 3 different cuts!

Yes, he has no offense, but his athleticism is legit. Plus, some time ago Tyson Chandler was averaging a double double off just lob passes from CP3. If he has a solid PG, then lob passes plus his defense will be all he needs to be a solid player in the league.

To respond to your original question, my most overhyped is Jerami Grant. He is hyper athletic and he attacks the rim hard (knows he doesn’t have a jumpshot yet). My issue is not with him as a player, but where he is ranked. I think he should be a 16-20 pick, not close to top 10 which he has been at for a bit.

[Skeating12345Participant]

 You’re right I am underestimating Stein’s athletic ability. It just irks me seeing some people call him an "elite" athlete. He does run the floor well and he is a very good all-around athlete, but not elite. He is also not a very fluid athlete.

[Skeating12345Participant]

 You’re right I am underestimating Stein’s athletic ability. It just irks me seeing some people call him an "elite" athlete. He does run the floor well and he is a very good all-around athlete, but not elite. He is also not a very fluid athlete.

[ChewyParticipant]

 I like Austin as a late 1st or early 2nd player. His size and shooting can make him a long career as long as he is decent on the glass.

However, to call WCS just a solid athlete is a complete disservice to him. I just watched him tonight deny the LSU point guard from the inbound pass, even after the PG made 3 different cuts!

Yes, he has no offense, but his athleticism is legit. Plus, some time ago Tyson Chandler was averaging a double double off just lob passes from CP3. If he has a solid PG, then lob passes plus his defense will be all he needs to be a solid player in the league.

To respond to your original question, my most overhyped is Jerami Grant. He is hyper athletic and he attacks the rim hard (knows he doesn’t have a jumpshot yet). My issue is not with him as a player, but where he is ranked. I think he should be a 16-20 pick, not close to top 10 which he has been at for a bit.

[scott3210Participant]

 I agree with you on Willie Cauley Stein. I used to be pretty high on him, but his poor effort the last 5 games or so has left me really disappointed. 

[scott3210Participant]

 I agree with you on Willie Cauley Stein. I used to be pretty high on him, but his poor effort the last 5 games or so has left me really disappointed. 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

I was just thinking about Willie Cauley Stein and where his stock might be…

Best case scenario Tyson Chandler. 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

I was just thinking about Willie Cauley Stein and where his stock might be…

Best case scenario Tyson Chandler. 

[IknoBall12Participant]

 But I actually think Jabari Parker is overrated. I’m a huge duke fan but in a way I can see how Parker may not have the ceiling that other players in the draft have. I think he’s so advanced offensively compared to other players that it actually hurts his nba value

[IknoBall12Participant]

 But I actually think Jabari Parker is overrated. I’m a huge duke fan but in a way I can see how Parker may not have the ceiling that other players in the draft have. I think he’s so advanced offensively compared to other players that it actually hurts his nba value

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Julius Randle comes to mind, not because I dont think he is a great player, but I’m not sure he has the size required to play the bully ball style he plays in college and in highschool at the next level. He has so much pure talent that I’m not sure its right to say overrated, but I think his best years will be around 15 and 8, certainly nothing to sniff at but I’m not sure why you wouldnt take a guy oozing with potential and game changing ability over him(See; Andrew Wiggins, Jabari, Joel Embiid). I think he is right there with everyone outside that top 3 though.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Julius Randle comes to mind, not because I dont think he is a great player, but I’m not sure he has the size required to play the bully ball style he plays in college and in highschool at the next level. He has so much pure talent that I’m not sure its right to say overrated, but I think his best years will be around 15 and 8, certainly nothing to sniff at but I’m not sure why you wouldnt take a guy oozing with potential and game changing ability over him(See; Andrew Wiggins, Jabari, Joel Embiid). I think he is right there with everyone outside that top 3 though.

[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

 Marcus Smart is the most overrated player in my opinion. He will not be a point gaurd in the NBA so I don’t really know what position he is because he cannot shoot. Would take Tyler Ennis over him all day long. Smart is more of a football player to me than a basketball player. I don’t know why most sites have him in the top 5 when I see a lot more players below him that I think will have better NBA careers. Smart does play good defence though I will give him that.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 tyler ennis? No. i’d take smart over him any day in the NBA.

Ennis ceiling is limited due to not being a good athlete. he wont beat you off the dribble and hasnt shown a consistent jumper. he makes good decisions and is team oriented but not someone who will make an all star team in the NBA. 

Smart ceiling is 10x higher than Ennis,which is why no one would complain him getting drafted ahead of him.

Smart has improved his game this year,be it not a great improvment but he’s brough along his game. he’s still a great defender,good athlete,big body,good at driving and finishing at the rim,and a good leader.his stroke is good and if he works on it,will come along.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 tyler ennis? No. i’d take smart over him any day in the NBA.

Ennis ceiling is limited due to not being a good athlete. he wont beat you off the dribble and hasnt shown a consistent jumper. he makes good decisions and is team oriented but not someone who will make an all star team in the NBA. 

Smart ceiling is 10x higher than Ennis,which is why no one would complain him getting drafted ahead of him.

Smart has improved his game this year,be it not a great improvment but he’s brough along his game. he’s still a great defender,good athlete,big body,good at driving and finishing at the rim,and a good leader.his stroke is good and if he works on it,will come along.

[machu46Participant]

It’s funny you mention this, because I was going to say I think Ennis is becoming the most overrated.  Don’t get me wrong.  I’m a huge Cuse fan; been to every home game this year and watched every away game.  What Ennis is doing as a freshman is superb.

But in terms of being an NBA prospect, he has a lot of holes.  He’s slow and not very quick.  He’s small.  This combination likely means he’ll get torched on the defensive end in the NBA by pretty much any point guard.  He already struggles to finish inside in college.  I think playing against better athletes in the NBA will only make that aspect of his game worse.  His jumpshot is average.  He shoots a pretty good percentage from 3, but he only shoots 1 or 2 threes per game; only shooting if the defense leaves him completely wide open, so shooting around 38-39% from 3 like that really isn’t that impressive.  And in terms of his passing, he doesn’t have the playmaking abilities of guys like last year’s PG, Michael Carter-Williams; he’s more of a guy that knows how to get the ball to his teammates coming off of screens.

I don’t think he’ll enter the draft this year anyways, but even if he did, I wouldn’t take him unless it was a late 1st round pick.  I think his ceiling is a shorter Jose Calderon type, with a slightly worse shot, and I think there’s a very good chance that he’s a backup PG in the NBA.

 

 

[machu46Participant]

It’s funny you mention this, because I was going to say I think Ennis is becoming the most overrated.  Don’t get me wrong.  I’m a huge Cuse fan; been to every home game this year and watched every away game.  What Ennis is doing as a freshman is superb.

But in terms of being an NBA prospect, he has a lot of holes.  He’s slow and not very quick.  He’s small.  This combination likely means he’ll get torched on the defensive end in the NBA by pretty much any point guard.  He already struggles to finish inside in college.  I think playing against better athletes in the NBA will only make that aspect of his game worse.  His jumpshot is average.  He shoots a pretty good percentage from 3, but he only shoots 1 or 2 threes per game; only shooting if the defense leaves him completely wide open, so shooting around 38-39% from 3 like that really isn’t that impressive.  And in terms of his passing, he doesn’t have the playmaking abilities of guys like last year’s PG, Michael Carter-Williams; he’s more of a guy that knows how to get the ball to his teammates coming off of screens.

I don’t think he’ll enter the draft this year anyways, but even if he did, I wouldn’t take him unless it was a late 1st round pick.  I think his ceiling is a shorter Jose Calderon type, with a slightly worse shot, and I think there’s a very good chance that he’s a backup PG in the NBA.

 

 

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I see him being the next Andre Miller of the NBA, the quintessential backup. A guy who’s not atheltic and can’t shoot, but has great composure under pressure and has confidence leading a team. Hopefully he becomes the passer miller is.

 

That being said, for cuse and for his stock as an nba player, I think he should stay a year or two more.

 

 

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I see him being the next Andre Miller of the NBA, the quintessential backup. A guy who’s not atheltic and can’t shoot, but has great composure under pressure and has confidence leading a team. Hopefully he becomes the passer miller is.

 

That being said, for cuse and for his stock as an nba player, I think he should stay a year or two more.

 

 

[dcaseParticipant]

I agree Ennis should stay another year or two……mostly beacuse I am a huge Cuse fan.  I can see some similarities to him and Andre Miller, mainly when it comes to their athleticism.  But to refer to Miller as the quintessential backup only applies to his career over the past few years (as he has gotten older).  He started alomost every game in his first 10-12 years in the league……not to mention led the league in assists one year.

[dcaseParticipant]

I agree Ennis should stay another year or two……mostly beacuse I am a huge Cuse fan.  I can see some similarities to him and Andre Miller, mainly when it comes to their athleticism.  But to refer to Miller as the quintessential backup only applies to his career over the past few years (as he has gotten older).  He started alomost every game in his first 10-12 years in the league……not to mention led the league in assists one year.

[jwall1Participant]

This is ridiculous, how is Smart overrated? He has a good attitude, great defense, and improving shot, and hes a great teammate. I do not see why he can’t play point guard, he is an above average passer… In today’s NBA a pointguard does not need to average 9 or 10 assists per game. I could easily see smart averaging 4 or 5 boards and 6 or 7 assists. He has the size and skillset to play either guard postion, which only increases his value. He should without a doubt be a top 5 lock…….

[juice304Participant]

I also think Smart is a tad overrated.  I love his defense, will to win, and ability to put up all around stats.  But i think the whole "great attitude, great leader/teammate" thing is overblown.  I think he actually has somewhat of a bad attitude at times.  He gets frustrated when calls aren’t going his way and he is a big time flopper.  I’ve seen him make frustration fouls several times this year.  He actually lost his cool completely this past weekend against WVU and left the bench altogether.  Thats just not the kind of stuff great leaders should be doing.  My opinion is Markel Brown is the real leader of that team.  Another thing is that i really haven’t seen all that much improvement in his shot.  I think he shot around 29% last year on 3pters and this year he’s right around 30 maybe.  He’s gonna have to do better.  Plus poor shot selection on top of that.  I know i got negged last year for saying i’d take MCW over Smart all day, but i think a lot of people would at this point.  I still think he should go in the 8-10 range, but i just don’t see him as top 4.

[juice304Participant]

I also think Smart is a tad overrated.  I love his defense, will to win, and ability to put up all around stats.  But i think the whole "great attitude, great leader/teammate" thing is overblown.  I think he actually has somewhat of a bad attitude at times.  He gets frustrated when calls aren’t going his way and he is a big time flopper.  I’ve seen him make frustration fouls several times this year.  He actually lost his cool completely this past weekend against WVU and left the bench altogether.  Thats just not the kind of stuff great leaders should be doing.  My opinion is Markel Brown is the real leader of that team.  Another thing is that i really haven’t seen all that much improvement in his shot.  I think he shot around 29% last year on 3pters and this year he’s right around 30 maybe.  He’s gonna have to do better.  Plus poor shot selection on top of that.  I know i got negged last year for saying i’d take MCW over Smart all day, but i think a lot of people would at this point.  I still think he should go in the 8-10 range, but i just don’t see him as top 4.

[jwall1Participant]

This is ridiculous, how is Smart overrated? He has a good attitude, great defense, and improving shot, and hes a great teammate. I do not see why he can’t play point guard, he is an above average passer… In today’s NBA a pointguard does not need to average 9 or 10 assists per game. I could easily see smart averaging 4 or 5 boards and 6 or 7 assists. He has the size and skillset to play either guard postion, which only increases his value. He should without a doubt be a top 5 lock…….

[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

 Marcus Smart is the most overrated player in my opinion. He will not be a point gaurd in the NBA so I don’t really know what position he is because he cannot shoot. Would take Tyler Ennis over him all day long. Smart is more of a football player to me than a basketball player. I don’t know why most sites have him in the top 5 when I see a lot more players below him that I think will have better NBA careers. Smart does play good defence though I will give him that.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

agreed about WCS. he isnt a lottery pick,and his play has slipped so hard he can be in danger of dropping out the 1st round.he’s lucky they arent much centers in this class,its only Embiid,who may stay.Austin is soft and he’ll be lucky to be drafted at this point.

My choice has to be….Aaron Gordon. he cant shoot,bad free throw shooter and doesnt have a real position. he’s a tweener. not a good shooter so cant play the 3,and not big enough and doesnt have a post game to speak of so not a true 4. he is a good defender,but at the next level its hard to see where his true position is.people will throw out the "winner" label but im not buying him.the Blake Griffin comparisons he had coming into college were way off. he’s nowhere near dominate as Blake was/is.i can see him busting in the NBA if he comes out and gets drafted in the top 10.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

agreed about WCS. he isnt a lottery pick,and his play has slipped so hard he can be in danger of dropping out the 1st round.he’s lucky they arent much centers in this class,its only Embiid,who may stay.Austin is soft and he’ll be lucky to be drafted at this point.

My choice has to be….Aaron Gordon. he cant shoot,bad free throw shooter and doesnt have a real position. he’s a tweener. not a good shooter so cant play the 3,and not big enough and doesnt have a post game to speak of so not a true 4. he is a good defender,but at the next level its hard to see where his true position is.people will throw out the "winner" label but im not buying him.the Blake Griffin comparisons he had coming into college were way off. he’s nowhere near dominate as Blake was/is.i can see him busting in the NBA if he comes out and gets drafted in the top 10.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

That’s easy…

Joel Embiid and Andrew Wiggins are incredibly overrated, their stats are either over blown or the potential word gets thrown around to cover up for their shortcomings as players…

I don’t think Embiid will ever become a Top 5-10 Center in the NBA, and he certainly won’t be very good until his rookie contract is up, how many years can a Team afford to wait on a Raw Center to develop???

If anyone thinks Andrew Wiggins is bound for NBA stardom, I applaud them, I’m hoping against hope he and Embiid are taken before my 76ers are allowed to be the unlucky bunch who buy into this fool’s gold, just draft the Best player possible and be done please Sam Hinkie!!!

I keep hearing about the athletism and potential, what about these guys skillsets and time frame as to when they’ll be worth a TOP PICK…Wiggins can and will get by on his Hype and "Potential" but how long will you wait on Embiid realistically???

 

 

  

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

That’s easy…

Joel Embiid and Andrew Wiggins are incredibly overrated, their stats are either over blown or the potential word gets thrown around to cover up for their shortcomings as players…

I don’t think Embiid will ever become a Top 5-10 Center in the NBA, and he certainly won’t be very good until his rookie contract is up, how many years can a Team afford to wait on a Raw Center to develop???

If anyone thinks Andrew Wiggins is bound for NBA stardom, I applaud them, I’m hoping against hope he and Embiid are taken before my 76ers are allowed to be the unlucky bunch who buy into this fool’s gold, just draft the Best player possible and be done please Sam Hinkie!!!

I keep hearing about the athletism and potential, what about these guys skillsets and time frame as to when they’ll be worth a TOP PICK…Wiggins can and will get by on his Hype and "Potential" but how long will you wait on Embiid realistically???

 

 

  

[WalkaFlockaParticipant]

Hey guys,

This is my first post on this site but have been reading posts for over a year.

I would just like to address this point as I watch a lot of basketball. In many of the Kansas games on live television, Embiid does not look raw at all. Embiid is not raw, he has great footwork and has developed a variety of post moves. These moves may not be NBA-ready, but are not raw or mechanical looking. In a game against K-State in Phog, I do think I remember seeing Embiid take a guy of the dribble from the high post and getting to the rack only to be called for a borderline charge.He has a nice baseline spin and his Hakeem dream shake is developing. I wouldn’t say he’s raw, but he definitely has a lot of upside to him.

I can’t argue with you about Wiggins. I’ve seen all the mixtapes and such from High School and expected for this kid to come into college and drop 25 every night with ease. I haven’t seen that from him in a few of the games. I definitely see the athleticsm in the open court. I do feel his outside shooting has imporved a lot and he deserves respect for that. I believe in this kid, but he’s not the hyped prospect he once was at the beginning of the year. 

[WalkaFlockaParticipant]

Hey guys,

This is my first post on this site but have been reading posts for over a year.

I would just like to address this point as I watch a lot of basketball. In many of the Kansas games on live television, Embiid does not look raw at all. Embiid is not raw, he has great footwork and has developed a variety of post moves. These moves may not be NBA-ready, but are not raw or mechanical looking. In a game against K-State in Phog, I do think I remember seeing Embiid take a guy of the dribble from the high post and getting to the rack only to be called for a borderline charge.He has a nice baseline spin and his Hakeem dream shake is developing. I wouldn’t say he’s raw, but he definitely has a lot of upside to him.

I can’t argue with you about Wiggins. I’ve seen all the mixtapes and such from High School and expected for this kid to come into college and drop 25 every night with ease. I haven’t seen that from him in a few of the games. I definitely see the athleticsm in the open court. I do feel his outside shooting has imporved a lot and he deserves respect for that. I believe in this kid, but he’s not the hyped prospect he once was at the beginning of the year. 

[jwall1Participant]

I understand your point of view, but prospects are not just evaluated on their current skillset coming into the NBA. Potential, size, and atleticism are also important aspects in evaluating a prospect. For example, say Russell Westbrook and Kyrie Irving were in the same draft… Westbrook may have been a little bit raw offensively coming into the league, but look where he is now. Kyrie Irving came into the league very skilled, but he will never have the athletic ability Westbrook possesses. When you compare Embiid and Wiggins to Parker and Randle, you could argue that they are more raw, but in reality they are not that raw… Embiid and Wiggins are higher risk picks when compared to a guy like Jabari Parker, and it’s really up to a team on whether or not they want to take the risk or not. Also, evaluating a players motor, toughness, drive and attitude is important when deciding whether or not to choose a higher risk prospect or not. 

[jwall1Participant]

I understand your point of view, but prospects are not just evaluated on their current skillset coming into the NBA. Potential, size, and atleticism are also important aspects in evaluating a prospect. For example, say Russell Westbrook and Kyrie Irving were in the same draft… Westbrook may have been a little bit raw offensively coming into the league, but look where he is now. Kyrie Irving came into the league very skilled, but he will never have the athletic ability Westbrook possesses. When you compare Embiid and Wiggins to Parker and Randle, you could argue that they are more raw, but in reality they are not that raw… Embiid and Wiggins are higher risk picks when compared to a guy like Jabari Parker, and it’s really up to a team on whether or not they want to take the risk or not. Also, evaluating a players motor, toughness, drive and attitude is important when deciding whether or not to choose a higher risk prospect or not. 

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I hate zach lavine as a prospect. He’s an athlete with some shooting ability. He can’t finish, has weak handles compared to other prospects, not a great passer. I don’t like anything about him as a player.

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I hate zach lavine as a prospect. He’s an athlete with some shooting ability. He can’t finish, has weak handles compared to other prospects, not a great passer. I don’t like anything about him as a player.

[theballerwayParticipant]

Ok hes long and apparently really fast. He playing against nobody though in comparison to the others. But suspect shooter , not a playmaker as such. Just too many unknowns for a top 5 pick . He’s esentially getting in based on beating on  HS level competition in Australia not even in the US going against similarly talented players.

 

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[theballerwayParticipant]

Ok hes long and apparently really fast. He playing against nobody though in comparison to the others. But suspect shooter , not a playmaker as such. Just too many unknowns for a top 5 pick . He’s esentially getting in based on beating on  HS level competition in Australia not even in the US going against similarly talented players.

 

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[YouthinkyouknowParticipant]

 Ima go with Tyler Ennis no different than Corey jopseph IMO…he doesn’t have that break down ability that Now days NBA PGs have…and he is solid in all areas doesn’t really stand out in one skill over another!

[YouthinkyouknowParticipant]

 Ima go with Tyler Ennis no different than Corey jopseph IMO…he doesn’t have that break down ability that Now days NBA PGs have…and he is solid in all areas doesn’t really stand out in one skill over another!

[jwall1Participant]

 This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think WCS is overrated on the mock. He’s got size, athleticism, and good potential defensively. If a team needs more of a post presence, taking WCS late lotto or mid first round would not IMO be a bad choice. 

[jwall1Participant]

 This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think WCS is overrated on the mock. He’s got size, athleticism, and good potential defensively. If a team needs more of a post presence, taking WCS late lotto or mid first round would not IMO be a bad choice. 

[jwall1Participant]

 This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think WCS is overrated on the mock. He’s got size, athleticism, and good potential defensively. If a team needs more of a post presence, taking WCS late lotto or mid first round would not IMO be a bad choice. 

[jwall1Participant]

 This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think WCS is overrated on the mock. He’s got size, athleticism, and good potential defensively. If a team needs more of a post presence, taking WCS late lotto or mid first round would not IMO be a bad choice. 

[jwall1Participant]

 This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think WCS is overrated on the mock. He’s got size, athleticism, and good potential defensively. If a team needs more of a post presence, taking WCS late lotto or mid first round would not IMO be a bad choice. 

[jwall1Participant]

 This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think WCS is overrated on the mock. He’s got size, athleticism, and good potential defensively. If a team needs more of a post presence, taking WCS late lotto or mid first round would not IMO be a bad choice. 

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