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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:17am #58770

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looks like a couple 1st rounders may be what it takes to get mozgov.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12133446/cleveland-cavaliers-talks-acquire-timofey-mozgov-denver-nuggets
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:27am #961570

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The Nuggets just got a nice haul for Mozgov.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:27am #961432

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The Nuggets just got a nice haul for Mozgov.
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- Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:30am #961572
  
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  You have a hard time trading an all star and hoping to get two firsts. Nuggets get two firsts from the Cavs because they are desperate.
  Even if they are late picks this would be hard to turn down.
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- Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:30am #961434
  
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  You have a hard time trading an all star and hoping to get two firsts. Nuggets get two firsts from the Cavs because they are desperate.
  Even if they are late picks this would be hard to turn down.
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  - Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:42pm #961594
    
    Scott42444
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    …with their "team building". Full disclosure, I’m a Bulls fan, but I’m not a LeBron hater (I was, for a short time after "The Decision", but now I respect the HECK out of him) nor am I a Cleveland hater. Cleveland deserves a title in something, although I won’t root for them to beat the Bulls, that’s a really good sports town. Now that I got that out of the way…
    The Cavs had 3 #1 picks in 4 years, and the only one that they have still was the Baron Davis salary dump pick (smart move).
    The Cavs traded 2 #1 picks (Bennett, Wiggins), #4 pick (Waiters), 2015 #11 from Sacramento AND swapping rights with Chicago in 2015 1st round, 2 future 1st rounders.
    If Kevin Love leaves, they end up with JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, and Timofey Mozgov from 6 1sts (2 #1’s) and a pick swap. That’s TERRIBLE.
    If Kevin Love stays (the most likely scenario IMO, although I could see Love going to the Lakers as a free agent, although the Lakers DID just use one of the only Top 10 picks in 2 decades to grab a PF last year), the Cavs have ZERO cap space to add a difference making player to a team that would need one. JR Smith, along with the 3 max contracts that LeBron, Love, and Irving will have on the books pretty much shores up the cap space for the Cavs.
    How do the Cavs do the same thing over and over again? The first time LeBron as in Cleveland, the Cavs loaded up their cap room with Larry Hughes, Shaq, Antoine Jameson, Ben Wallace, etc. type of players that were NOT the players that help a team win a championship at the stage of their career that the Cavs had them (i.e., not Shaq or Ben Wallace in their primes). Now, they take on the $5 – $6 million dollar contract of JR Smith, which combined with Varajeo and now Mozgov totals $20 million. That, along with 3 players making $20 million, puts them right up to the luxury tax. They gave away 2 1st rounders for Mozgov, who is a good player and instantly becomes the best rim protector on the Cavs by a substaintial margin.
    Are the Cavs allergic to draft picks? I guess they SHOULDN’T trust themselves to make the right draft pick (since they were unhappy with Bennett and Waiters, and Thompson has been below average based on his draft spot). Just to put that in perspective:
    Bulls are paying Gasol $7.5 million/yr for 3 years (he’s 2nd in All-Star voting). They have Mirotic and Butler currently starting and they were the 23rd and 30th pick of the 2011 NBA Draft (respectively). Butler is going to have some votes for MVP (although he certainly won’t win it) and is a surefire lock to appear in his first All-Star game this season. The ONLY players making OVER $10 million/yr on the roster are Rose (2010 MVP) and Noah (2014 DPOY, #4 MVP voting).
    The Pacers played against the Miami Heat in the 2014 ECF. The LOWEST draft pick was #10 (Paul George) in their starting lineup. They drafted their All-Star C (Roy Hibbert) and their PG/SG Lance Stephenson (2nd Rounder).
    The Atlanta Hawks have the best record in the East with Horford (#3) being their highest draft pick. Jeff Teague was #19. Paul Millsap (2nd Round – signed as a free agent for $9 million/yr and was an all-star in 2014). Kyle Korver (2nd Round – signed as a free agent for $5 million/yr and is shooting 52% from 3-point range in 2014/2015). Mike Scott ($3.3 million). DeMarre Carroll ($2.5 million).
    How do the Cavs get GIFTWRAPPED(!!!!!) the best player in the NBA and they just CANNOT do what it takes to develop talent and cohesion with the team to surround James with talent? Do they not understand the advantage of getting a system in place and developing talent? The Knicks and Nets didn’t, but at least one of them (the Knicks, under Phil Jackson) appear to be moving in the correct direction with developing cheap, rookie scale players that fit a system and can help them fill out a roster full of talent.
    But, as I said, I’m a Bulls fan so I’m not complaining. I just don’t understand how easily teams give up 1st rounders.
    
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  - Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:42pm #961456
    
    Scott42444
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    …with their "team building". Full disclosure, I’m a Bulls fan, but I’m not a LeBron hater (I was, for a short time after "The Decision", but now I respect the HECK out of him) nor am I a Cleveland hater. Cleveland deserves a title in something, although I won’t root for them to beat the Bulls, that’s a really good sports town. Now that I got that out of the way…
    The Cavs had 3 #1 picks in 4 years, and the only one that they have still was the Baron Davis salary dump pick (smart move).
    The Cavs traded 2 #1 picks (Bennett, Wiggins), #4 pick (Waiters), 2015 #11 from Sacramento AND swapping rights with Chicago in 2015 1st round, 2 future 1st rounders.
    If Kevin Love leaves, they end up with JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, and Timofey Mozgov from 6 1sts (2 #1’s) and a pick swap. That’s TERRIBLE.
    If Kevin Love stays (the most likely scenario IMO, although I could see Love going to the Lakers as a free agent, although the Lakers DID just use one of the only Top 10 picks in 2 decades to grab a PF last year), the Cavs have ZERO cap space to add a difference making player to a team that would need one. JR Smith, along with the 3 max contracts that LeBron, Love, and Irving will have on the books pretty much shores up the cap space for the Cavs.
    How do the Cavs do the same thing over and over again? The first time LeBron as in Cleveland, the Cavs loaded up their cap room with Larry Hughes, Shaq, Antoine Jameson, Ben Wallace, etc. type of players that were NOT the players that help a team win a championship at the stage of their career that the Cavs had them (i.e., not Shaq or Ben Wallace in their primes). Now, they take on the $5 – $6 million dollar contract of JR Smith, which combined with Varajeo and now Mozgov totals $20 million. That, along with 3 players making $20 million, puts them right up to the luxury tax. They gave away 2 1st rounders for Mozgov, who is a good player and instantly becomes the best rim protector on the Cavs by a substaintial margin.
    Are the Cavs allergic to draft picks? I guess they SHOULDN’T trust themselves to make the right draft pick (since they were unhappy with Bennett and Waiters, and Thompson has been below average based on his draft spot). Just to put that in perspective:
    Bulls are paying Gasol $7.5 million/yr for 3 years (he’s 2nd in All-Star voting). They have Mirotic and Butler currently starting and they were the 23rd and 30th pick of the 2011 NBA Draft (respectively). Butler is going to have some votes for MVP (although he certainly won’t win it) and is a surefire lock to appear in his first All-Star game this season. The ONLY players making OVER $10 million/yr on the roster are Rose (2010 MVP) and Noah (2014 DPOY, #4 MVP voting).
    The Pacers played against the Miami Heat in the 2014 ECF. The LOWEST draft pick was #10 (Paul George) in their starting lineup. They drafted their All-Star C (Roy Hibbert) and their PG/SG Lance Stephenson (2nd Rounder).
    The Atlanta Hawks have the best record in the East with Horford (#3) being their highest draft pick. Jeff Teague was #19. Paul Millsap (2nd Round – signed as a free agent for $9 million/yr and was an all-star in 2014). Kyle Korver (2nd Round – signed as a free agent for $5 million/yr and is shooting 52% from 3-point range in 2014/2015). Mike Scott ($3.3 million). DeMarre Carroll ($2.5 million).
    How do the Cavs get GIFTWRAPPED(!!!!!) the best player in the NBA and they just CANNOT do what it takes to develop talent and cohesion with the team to surround James with talent? Do they not understand the advantage of getting a system in place and developing talent? The Knicks and Nets didn’t, but at least one of them (the Knicks, under Phil Jackson) appear to be moving in the correct direction with developing cheap, rookie scale players that fit a system and can help them fill out a roster full of talent.
    But, as I said, I’m a Bulls fan so I’m not complaining. I just don’t understand how easily teams give up 1st rounders.
    
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    - Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:38pm #961612
      
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      Haywood will be used to get another difference maker. Also the Cavs folowo the Heat route and will sign vets at low costs. That Hoywood contract is hiughly valuable you read it every time anyone talks about the Cavs. I think they paid high for Mosgov but Blatt loves the guy he has wanted him since he came to Cleveland. Literally he was their #1 choice at center.
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    - Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:38pm #961474
      
      xJumpManx
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      Haywood will be used to get another difference maker. Also the Cavs folowo the Heat route and will sign vets at low costs. That Hoywood contract is hiughly valuable you read it every time anyone talks about the Cavs. I think they paid high for Mosgov but Blatt loves the guy he has wanted him since he came to Cleveland. Literally he was their #1 choice at center.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:35am #961574

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The best part about this for Cleveland is that these moves were made early. They’ve got 4-5 months to come together and figure this out. Time will tell.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:35am #961436

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The best part about this for Cleveland is that these moves were made early. They’ve got 4-5 months to come together and figure this out. Time will tell.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:13pm #961582

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The Cavs could chase a verteran big like JO or the available Samuel Dalambert so two first rounds for Mosgov is a big price to pay. But he is a proven NBA starter and the Cavs have picks available to send.
I still think that the Cavs should have traded Varejao last summer and kept Tyler Zeller and then they would have had cap space to have signed another FA or used Varejao to fill out Wiggins/K-Love trade.
Denver will get draft options and can give Nurkic extra minutes.

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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:13pm #961444

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The Cavs could chase a verteran big like JO or the available Samuel Dalambert so two first rounds for Mosgov is a big price to pay. But he is a proven NBA starter and the Cavs have picks available to send.
I still think that the Cavs should have traded Varejao last summer and kept Tyler Zeller and then they would have had cap space to have signed another FA or used Varejao to fill out Wiggins/K-Love trade.
Denver will get draft options and can give Nurkic extra minutes.

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- Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:37pm #961590
  
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  Agreed I was surprised that they traded Tyler Zeller when it was clear they’d need some size once all the summer moves were done…especially considering Anderson Varejao’s, the team’s only center in rotations, injury prone nature.
  
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- Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:37pm #961452
  
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  Agreed I was surprised that they traded Tyler Zeller when it was clear they’d need some size once all the summer moves were done…especially considering Anderson Varejao’s, the team’s only center in rotations, injury prone nature.
  
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  - Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 4:18pm #961663
    
    ExumInferno
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    Trading Zeller and a pick was needed for the Cavs to find space to sign LeBron as a free agent, as that moved out J Jack’s money too.
    For the trade, both teams did well. Denver got two first rounders for a guy who was going to get a big pay rise, plus they have another large center to play and also J McGee to pay. Cavs got the huge size they needed inside, and didn’t use anything they needed right now to acquire it.
    Irving, Love and Lebron score. Shumpert and Mozgov defend. Thompson off the bench at power forward and center. Marion off the bench to defend three positions. Miller or JR Smith off the bench for outside shooting. A backup point guard might be useful. The Cavs can use B Haywood in a trade to a team clearing money out.
    
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  - Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 4:18pm #961525
    
    ExumInferno
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    Trading Zeller and a pick was needed for the Cavs to find space to sign LeBron as a free agent, as that moved out J Jack’s money too.
    For the trade, both teams did well. Denver got two first rounders for a guy who was going to get a big pay rise, plus they have another large center to play and also J McGee to pay. Cavs got the huge size they needed inside, and didn’t use anything they needed right now to acquire it.
    Irving, Love and Lebron score. Shumpert and Mozgov defend. Thompson off the bench at power forward and center. Marion off the bench to defend three positions. Miller or JR Smith off the bench for outside shooting. A backup point guard might be useful. The Cavs can use B Haywood in a trade to a team clearing money out.
    
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:29pm #961588

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Great trade for the Nuggets. Since they’re not going to make the playoffs, their primary focus at the center position right now should be developing Nurkic, who I think will end up being an All-Star. After this trade he’ll get a lot of PT, and he’s already good enough to put up huge numbers. Since it’s already almost halfway through the season he probably won’t get ROY consideration, but he may be the best rookie in the league from here on out. Mozgov is a good player, but he’s not worth 2 first rounders. The Nuggets win this trade in more than one way by getting that value in return for Mozgov and letting Nurkic develop.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:29pm #961450

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Great trade for the Nuggets. Since they’re not going to make the playoffs, their primary focus at the center position right now should be developing Nurkic, who I think will end up being an All-Star. After this trade he’ll get a lot of PT, and he’s already good enough to put up huge numbers. Since it’s already almost halfway through the season he probably won’t get ROY consideration, but he may be the best rookie in the league from here on out. Mozgov is a good player, but he’s not worth 2 first rounders. The Nuggets win this trade in more than one way by getting that value in return for Mozgov and letting Nurkic develop.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:32pm #961606

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They should have just waited to sign love kept wiggins and all of their picks
this is what happens when you rush things they could have built a dynasty that dion waiters deal was amazing
iman and jr smith and pick. they could have put together a dynasty if they kept wiggins ,bennet , the Miami pick.
wiggins
bennet
mia pick mid to lotto
okc pick
Memphis pick lotto pick in the future
along with their own pick
and then waited to sign love all they had to do was wait one year.
ppl argued this night and day but this has gotten sloppy if they could have waited the championship window would have been incredible.
now the cavs are trying to chase a ship this year they are not winning .
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:32pm #961468

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They should have just waited to sign love kept wiggins and all of their picks
this is what happens when you rush things they could have built a dynasty that dion waiters deal was amazing
iman and jr smith and pick. they could have put together a dynasty if they kept wiggins ,bennet , the Miami pick.
wiggins
bennet
mia pick mid to lotto
okc pick
Memphis pick lotto pick in the future
along with their own pick
and then waited to sign love all they had to do was wait one year.
ppl argued this night and day but this has gotten sloppy if they could have waited the championship window would have been incredible.
now the cavs are trying to chase a ship this year they are not winning .
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- Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 4:22pm #961665
  
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  LeBron is only signed for this season, he can leave by not picking up his player option, so the Cavs sort of want to get a team around him now so he stays around.
  If LeBron had signed a long deal the Cavs would not need to rush, but he didn’t.
  
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- Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 4:22pm #961527
  
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  LeBron is only signed for this season, he can leave by not picking up his player option, so the Cavs sort of want to get a team around him now so he stays around.
  If LeBron had signed a long deal the Cavs would not need to rush, but he didn’t.
  
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:40pm #961614

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K-Love is only 26 so it’s not like they traded Wiggins for a veteran. The T-Wolves haven’t done much this year so I can live with that trade. The others seem to be almost panic moves by Dan Gilbert trying to get that title.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:40pm #961476

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K-Love is only 26 so it’s not like they traded Wiggins for a veteran. The T-Wolves haven’t done much this year so I can live with that trade. The others seem to be almost panic moves by Dan Gilbert trying to get that title.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:48pm #961618

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Wow… Two first round picks for Mozgov? Ouch…
Congrats to the Nuggets lol. GREAT move for them.

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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:48pm #961480

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Wow… Two first round picks for Mozgov? Ouch…
Congrats to the Nuggets lol. GREAT move for them.

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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:51pm #961620

Winning_Time
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I own Tristan Thompson in my league should I deal him now or do you think Mozgov’s damage will be minimal
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:51pm #961482

Winning_Time
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I own Tristan Thompson in my league should I deal him now or do you think Mozgov’s damage will be minimal
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:55pm #961622

tuck243
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Going all in and trading all their assests for mediocre players is what cost them last time with LeBron… No way you trade multiple 1st round picks for him. There are other players on the table I feel like and you don’t really need to win NOW…
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 1:55pm #961484

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Going all in and trading all their assests for mediocre players is what cost them last time with LeBron… No way you trade multiple 1st round picks for him. There are other players on the table I feel like and you don’t really need to win NOW…
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 5:42pm #961545

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Good trade, helps both teams. Cleveland is in win now, they have there 3 superstars and got a good defensive SG and a 6th man that can score/shoot. Losing Verajao hurts, but Tristan Thompson can hold his own downlow and Mozgov brings the Cavs size and defensive something they have been lacking.
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Posted on: Wed, 01/07/2015 - 5:42pm #961683

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Good trade, helps both teams. Cleveland is in win now, they have there 3 superstars and got a good defensive SG and a 6th man that can score/shoot. Losing Verajao hurts, but Tristan Thompson can hold his own downlow and Mozgov brings the Cavs size and defensive something they have been lacking.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2015 - 6:39am #961792

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LBJ signed this deal to supposedly get a long term deal in 2016, the player option for next year is supposedly him toying with us.
I’ve always been a big Varejao fan from the days when he was backing up Big Z, put if he had a team option for this season the Cavs should have just not taken it up. I know LBJ likes him being a former team mate but the Cavs want the strongest team around LBJ so decisions had to be made.
If they can pick up Ray Allen it will be a great move as he’ll provide quality bench shooting and can get back into his stride ready for the run-in.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2015 - 6:39am #961652

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LBJ signed this deal to supposedly get a long term deal in 2016, the player option for next year is supposedly him toying with us.
I’ve always been a big Varejao fan from the days when he was backing up Big Z, put if he had a team option for this season the Cavs should have just not taken it up. I know LBJ likes him being a former team mate but the Cavs want the strongest team around LBJ so decisions had to be made.
If they can pick up Ray Allen it will be a great move as he’ll provide quality bench shooting and can get back into his stride ready for the run-in.
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