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- Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:39am #21400
Lotto StudParticipantWith all the talk surrounding a lot of players that aren’t talked about 1 specific name comes to mind, & that’s Monta Ellis. I once said he was not underrated it’s just that he doesn’t get brought up in player discussions, but now that I have done some research for myself, he is very much so underrated now to me. Here is a player who averages 25ppg last year & 18ppg for his career. He had also took his game to the next level when he jumped up from 7ppg to 16ppg from his rookie year to sophomore year to win the MIP award. The things I love about Monta, is for him to be so frail he is a very explosive player who gets to the rack with ease (he could add about 10 lbs). For him to get up so high when he attacks the rim, he gives you the elusion that he gets up higher than his listed 31 inch max vert, because he’s a 1 foot jumper. Also for him to be a slasher “The Mississippi Bullet” has a very very quick 1st step, with a good jumper where he elevates well on his release. Although he is not a PG he could use some work in that area to broaden his game. The only thing I hate about his situation in Golden State is that they have put their long term plans invested in Curry, which means that Monta’s days there may be numbered. This is a can’t miss year for him, he has to mesh well with Curry in the backcourt or he will be gone by the trade deadline or offseason. By the way his career is better than his HS rival Lou Williams by far (just a mental note).
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Points Per Game (25.5)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals Per Game (2.23)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game (41.4)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Minutes Played (2647)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made (631)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts (1406)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws (292)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (388)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Assists (340)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals (143)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points (1631)0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:49am #396812
SwatLakeCityParticipantHow can Ellis rank #1 in the NBA in Assists with guys like Deron Williams and Chris Paul. Those two are are much better passers than Ellis is. Why do you think the Warriors have put their trust in Curry instead of Ellis. The guy is a great scorer but a horrible passer and an average defender. You seriously need to look at those stats better. I highly doubt he is #1 in assists, points, and steals.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:49am #396819
SwatLakeCityParticipantHow can Ellis rank #1 in the NBA in Assists with guys like Deron Williams and Chris Paul. Those two are are much better passers than Ellis is. Why do you think the Warriors have put their trust in Curry instead of Ellis. The guy is a great scorer but a horrible passer and an average defender. You seriously need to look at those stats better. I highly doubt he is #1 in assists, points, and steals.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:51am #396810
ilike.panochasParticipantIm a Warriors fan so I know his game a bit more than most people here, and even tho he averaged 25ppg, I don’t think he would put up those numbers if most of the Warriors starters were healthy. His scoring stats is some what “inflated” because of the system and the lack of scorers in the front court has forced the team to play strictly perimeter, giving him way more opportunities to score more than other top SGs such as Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson. With that said, I do think hes a good player, but on a good playoff team I think his stats would look more like 19ppg 5rpg 4apg.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:51am #396817
ilike.panochasParticipantIm a Warriors fan so I know his game a bit more than most people here, and even tho he averaged 25ppg, I don’t think he would put up those numbers if most of the Warriors starters were healthy. His scoring stats is some what “inflated” because of the system and the lack of scorers in the front court has forced the team to play strictly perimeter, giving him way more opportunities to score more than other top SGs such as Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson. With that said, I do think hes a good player, but on a good playoff team I think his stats would look more like 19ppg 5rpg 4apg.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:53am #396814
ghettosermonParticipantI don’t think he’s overlooked. Maybe slightly because he does deserve allstar consideration but he is what he is. A dynamite scorer, average PG, and a so so defender. He’s a good player but like Gilbert Arenas was he’s not really a franchise changing player. Their career’s actually are very similar. I’d say Gilbert is the better PG though. The problem with Monta still is the general problem with the Warriors. No matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability. He doesn’t have the playmaking skills to be a full time PG, so that means he plays the 2 guard a lot, and he simply isn’t tall or strong enough to guard the majority of 2 guards. People say this is only an issue because of Curry but that’s not really true. Say for example if he were on the Magic. That would mean either him or Jameer would have to guard SG’s. Not ideal.
Monta Ellis Year 1: 6.8 ppg, 1.6 apg, 2.1 rpg.
Gilbert Arenas Year 1: 10.9 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.8 rpgMonta Year 2: 16.5 ppg, 4.1 apg, 3.2 rpg
Gilbert Year 2: 18.3 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.7 rpgMonta Year 3: 20.2 ppg, 3.9 apg, 4.9 rpg
Gilbert Year 3: 19.6 ppg, 5 apg, 4.6 rpgMonta Year 4: 19 ppg, 3.7 apg, 4.4 rpg
Gilbert Year 4: 25.5 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.7 rpgMonta Year 5: 25.5 ppg, 5.3 apg, 4 rpg
Gilbert Year 5: 29.3 ppg, 6 apg, 3 rpg0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:53am #396821
ghettosermonParticipantI don’t think he’s overlooked. Maybe slightly because he does deserve allstar consideration but he is what he is. A dynamite scorer, average PG, and a so so defender. He’s a good player but like Gilbert Arenas was he’s not really a franchise changing player. Their career’s actually are very similar. I’d say Gilbert is the better PG though. The problem with Monta still is the general problem with the Warriors. No matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability. He doesn’t have the playmaking skills to be a full time PG, so that means he plays the 2 guard a lot, and he simply isn’t tall or strong enough to guard the majority of 2 guards. People say this is only an issue because of Curry but that’s not really true. Say for example if he were on the Magic. That would mean either him or Jameer would have to guard SG’s. Not ideal.
Monta Ellis Year 1: 6.8 ppg, 1.6 apg, 2.1 rpg.
Gilbert Arenas Year 1: 10.9 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.8 rpgMonta Year 2: 16.5 ppg, 4.1 apg, 3.2 rpg
Gilbert Year 2: 18.3 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.7 rpgMonta Year 3: 20.2 ppg, 3.9 apg, 4.9 rpg
Gilbert Year 3: 19.6 ppg, 5 apg, 4.6 rpgMonta Year 4: 19 ppg, 3.7 apg, 4.4 rpg
Gilbert Year 4: 25.5 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.7 rpgMonta Year 5: 25.5 ppg, 5.3 apg, 4 rpg
Gilbert Year 5: 29.3 ppg, 6 apg, 3 rpg0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:57am #396816
Lotto StudParticipantI got my source from NBA.com you can check it out for yourself it’s in his player profile
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/monta_ellis/index.html?nav=page
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:57am #396823
Lotto StudParticipantI got my source from NBA.com you can check it out for yourself it’s in his player profile
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/monta_ellis/index.html?nav=page
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:58am #396818
ghettosermonParticipantLOL I just noticed you completely made up your stats. How can you say Monta is #1 in the NBA in scoring? He was 6th in ppg, and a I think around 8th or 9th in total points. Also you claim he’s #1 in the NBA in steals, he’s actually #2 in spg, and #4 in total steals. You said he’s #1 in the NBA in assists, nope, he’s 26th lol in apg, and 36th in total assists behind guys like Josh Smith, Beno Udrih, and Chris Duhon. I don’t think I have to go on.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:58am #396825
ghettosermonParticipantLOL I just noticed you completely made up your stats. How can you say Monta is #1 in the NBA in scoring? He was 6th in ppg, and a I think around 8th or 9th in total points. Also you claim he’s #1 in the NBA in steals, he’s actually #2 in spg, and #4 in total steals. You said he’s #1 in the NBA in assists, nope, he’s 26th lol in apg, and 36th in total assists behind guys like Josh Smith, Beno Udrih, and Chris Duhon. I don’t think I have to go on.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:59am #396820
ghettosermonParticipantDude obviously it’s an error from NBA.com, but did you think about what you posted, #1 in apg, c’mon man he’s not even top 25.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 7:59am #396827
ghettosermonParticipantDude obviously it’s an error from NBA.com, but did you think about what you posted, #1 in apg, c’mon man he’s not even top 25.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:05am #396822
joecheck88Participanthe is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:05am #396829
joecheck88Participanthe is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:06am #396824
joecheck88Participanthe is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:06am #396831
joecheck88Participanthe is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:07am #396826
joecheck88Participanthe is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:07am #396833
joecheck88Participanthe is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:11am #396828
ilike.panochasParticipantActually Monta is a excellent defender compare to Gordon who is a liability on defense. His size may be on the short side, but Monta is a “fiesty” and a pest on the defensive side.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:11am #396835
ilike.panochasParticipantActually Monta is a excellent defender compare to Gordon who is a liability on defense. His size may be on the short side, but Monta is a “fiesty” and a pest on the defensive side.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:18am #396834
Lotto StudParticipantI had copied & pasted the stats I didn’t mean to highlight everything that was #1 I just wanted you to see his progression. So don’t rip my head off because there was an era with the site.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 8:18am #396841
Lotto StudParticipantI had copied & pasted the stats I didn’t mean to highlight everything that was #1 I just wanted you to see his progression. So don’t rip my head off because there was an era with the site.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 9:38am #396868
meisi4Participantokay this is my Option on monta:
He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…
Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 9:38am #396875
meisi4Participantokay this is my Option on monta:
He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…
Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 9:39am #396872
meisi4Participantokay this is my Option on monta:
He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…
Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 9:39am #396879
meisi4Participantokay this is my Option on monta:
He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…
Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 10:55am #396908
nateoak10ParticipantOn a healthy team he could score 22-23 ppg. He should have been an all star as well. Also to the guy above he is nothing like Z Bo maybe more JRich than ZBo. You can’t guard him on offense, sag off and he can shoot, play up tight and he blows right by you. He’s a top 7-8 SG in the NBA right now and an all star caliber player but not a frnachise changer. Sorta Joe Johnson/JRich esk
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 10:55am #396915
nateoak10ParticipantOn a healthy team he could score 22-23 ppg. He should have been an all star as well. Also to the guy above he is nothing like Z Bo maybe more JRich than ZBo. You can’t guard him on offense, sag off and he can shoot, play up tight and he blows right by you. He’s a top 7-8 SG in the NBA right now and an all star caliber player but not a frnachise changer. Sorta Joe Johnson/JRich esk
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 11:07am #396912
Lotto StudParticipantWell it’s about time I heard from you about the topic on hand. I was going to ask where were you if I didn’t hear from you about this. I @ least need 2 hear a Warrior fans opinion.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 11:07am #396919
Lotto StudParticipantWell it’s about time I heard from you about the topic on hand. I was going to ask where were you if I didn’t hear from you about this. I @ least need 2 hear a Warrior fans opinion.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 11:35am #396927
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantTop 30 guy in the NBA
He was a 25-5-4 guy no matter what the offense was. That, plus steals made him one of the top 30 guys in the NBA to me. He’s a poor man Allen Iverson to me. He will never be a #1 guy on a winning team. He’s a #2 guy at best and if he’s a #2…You have a really good player.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 11:35am #396932
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantTop 30 guy in the NBA
He was a 25-5-4 guy no matter what the offense was. That, plus steals made him one of the top 30 guys in the NBA to me. He’s a poor man Allen Iverson to me. He will never be a #1 guy on a winning team. He’s a #2 guy at best and if he’s a #2…You have a really good player.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 12:24pm #396981
Jlv2010Ellis is overlooked as well as overrated. Good post.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 12:24pm #396986
Jlv2010Ellis is overlooked as well as overrated. Good post.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:13pm #397060
killerinstinct23i totaly agree monta ellis is one of the more explosive 2 guards we got in the leauge and with all the hype surronding dwayne wad and kb24 he is really overlooked and his numbers arent to much diffrent from wade he can be a valuble asset on a team tryn to win but he is very stubborn and shoots too much that y hes probably overlooked but the numbers dont tho lie he is a rare 20 5 5 guy
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:13pm #397073
killerinstinct23i totaly agree monta ellis is one of the more explosive 2 guards we got in the leauge and with all the hype surronding dwayne wad and kb24 he is really overlooked and his numbers arent to much diffrent from wade he can be a valuble asset on a team tryn to win but he is very stubborn and shoots too much that y hes probably overlooked but the numbers dont tho lie he is a rare 20 5 5 guy
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:17pm #397062
RichardNixonParticipantNo matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability.
That’s simply not true. He shut Brandon Roy down. He clearly outplayed Danny Granger. Forced Kobe into 9 turnovers. He had some great stops down the stretch vs Durant.
The guy was a great defender when he was interested. His quickness is a real asset. Embarassed Roy in an early match up last season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:17pm #397075
RichardNixonParticipantNo matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability.
That’s simply not true. He shut Brandon Roy down. He clearly outplayed Danny Granger. Forced Kobe into 9 turnovers. He had some great stops down the stretch vs Durant.
The guy was a great defender when he was interested. His quickness is a real asset. Embarassed Roy in an early match up last season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:17pm #397064
ghettosermonParticipantMonta has only averaged 5 apg once, and has only averaged 5 rpg once and has never been close in any other year, so I wouldn’t classify him as a perennial 20+5+5 guy especially since he’s never done that in the same season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:17pm #397077
ghettosermonParticipantMonta has only averaged 5 apg once, and has only averaged 5 rpg once and has never been close in any other year, so I wouldn’t classify him as a perennial 20+5+5 guy especially since he’s never done that in the same season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:21pm #397066
RichardNixonParticipantI agree he took way too many shots, but unless Monta was clearly winning his matchup, we had virtually no shot. Too many Dleague all stars and garbage Nellieball. Curry was so inconsistent early on, and his hotdog passing hurt the team before he turned it on. Maggette is a black hole.
If you guys can, I’d like for you to watch the 2 match ups vs Dallas in Dallas last season. Monta had to force it and had too many turnovers, but he is an electric scorer. He can be the number 1 on a contender, but he has to have at least a solid set up man to be efficient.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/08/2010 - 2:21pm #397079
RichardNixonParticipantI agree he took way too many shots, but unless Monta was clearly winning his matchup, we had virtually no shot. Too many Dleague all stars and garbage Nellieball. Curry was so inconsistent early on, and his hotdog passing hurt the team before he turned it on. Maggette is a black hole.
If you guys can, I’d like for you to watch the 2 match ups vs Dallas in Dallas last season. Monta had to force it and had too many turnovers, but he is an electric scorer. He can be the number 1 on a contender, but he has to have at least a solid set up man to be efficient.
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