[Aran SmithKeymaster]

Hey guys. Wanted to thank everyone for participating in the 2011 Draft Day Challenge!! There are some familiar names in the top 100 finishers!

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_scoring

Last year we had a couple of people that were able to hack the system and make picks after the game had been shut down and it was obvious because they scored so well and had all of the picks exactly right until a certain point. Their mocks also showed a time stamp being updated at a time that was after the draft started…. The time stamp worked this year but it’s off some from the actual time of the draft (the tech folks are working on correcting that).

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/48765/2011

User danielwestra  had the first 20 picks exactly right and then none after. But his time stamp is in line with other users. Is it too much of a coincidence or possible that this was a legit mock? Should it be allowed or disallowed?

Aran

[Stojakovicfor3Participant]

NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stojakovicfor3Participant]

NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Disallowed, not possible to get the 1st 20 correct….no chance.  Absolutely no chance that his mock was legit.  First 20 correct and then none after?  I smell a cheat.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Disallowed, not possible to get the 1st 20 correct….no chance.  Absolutely no chance that his mock was legit.  First 20 correct and then none after?  I smell a cheat.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

Ya no way that was legit lol……Pacers have Danny Granger + Paul George (Small Forwards) and he thought hey what the heck ill put Khawai Lenord there….prehaps the the spurs will make a trade for him < no one could predict that

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

Ya no way that was legit lol……Pacers have Danny Granger + Paul George (Small Forwards) and he thought hey what the heck ill put Khawai Lenord there….prehaps the the spurs will make a trade for him < no one could predict that

[Lotto StudParticipant]

NO F*CKIN WAY HE HIT 20 IN A ROW!!!!!!!!

[Lotto StudParticipant]

NO F*CKIN WAY HE HIT 20 IN A ROW!!!!!!!!

[Jlv2011]

it seems legit.  Congrats to danielwestra.

[Jlv2011]

it seems legit.  Congrats to danielwestra.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I can guarantee you this Aran……………NO ONE thought the Morris twins would go back to back & especially Markieff going 1st! That should tell all!

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I can guarantee you this Aran……………NO ONE thought the Morris twins would go back to back & especially Markieff going 1st! That should tell all!

[providencefriars1Participant]

The rest of his mock is pretty awful, if that’s legit he’s one lucky bastard. This is kind of like the NCAA Tourney pools though, the most random person who has no bball knowledge always wins. I really doubt that’s legit though.

[providencefriars1Participant]

The rest of his mock is pretty awful, if that’s legit he’s one lucky bastard. This is kind of like the NCAA Tourney pools though, the most random person who has no bball knowledge always wins. I really doubt that’s legit though.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

^ are u trying to get the record for the most dislikes LMAO (Jlv2011)

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

^ are u trying to get the record for the most dislikes LMAO (Jlv2011)

[JoeWolf1]

 Seems weird to me, congrats cr9kaka8

[JoeWolf1]

 Seems weird to me, congrats cr9kaka8

[Lotto StudParticipant]

20 correct though! He could have missed 1 to make it "seem" legit!

see this face———> O_o    I’m not buying what he is selling!

[Lotto StudParticipant]

20 correct though! He could have missed 1 to make it "seem" legit!

see this face———> O_o    I’m not buying what he is selling!

[Stojakovicfor3Participant]

What an idiot though. If you gonna cheat, make it seem legit. Don’t make the first 20 picks all right, make it seem more scattered.

[Stojakovicfor3Participant]

What an idiot though. If you gonna cheat, make it seem legit. Don’t make the first 20 picks all right, make it seem more scattered.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

This is a guy who would have f*cked the whole HS History class over for cheating if everyone had the answer key……..Tristian Thompson #4 = Indication of a cheater!

 

Dude mines well should have mocked the whole draft right for us & tell us to look at it……..

1 more thing is if he knew he had all 20 right "AFTER" the draft, why did he not brag about it on the forum when we were trying to find out the winner????????

ANYONE feel free to answer the question above

[Lotto StudParticipant]

This is a guy who would have f*cked the whole HS History class over for cheating if everyone had the answer key……..Tristian Thompson #4 = Indication of a cheater!

 

Dude mines well should have mocked the whole draft right for us & tell us to look at it……..

1 more thing is if he knew he had all 20 right "AFTER" the draft, why did he not brag about it on the forum when we were trying to find out the winner????????

ANYONE feel free to answer the question above

[drk3351Participant]

 i hate cheaters

[drk3351Participant]

 i hate cheaters

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Put it this way if he can hit 20 straight it should be nothing for him to hit the MEGA MILLIONS! He went beyond being a "Lotto F*ckin Stud"!

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Put it this way if he can hit 20 straight it should be nothing for him to hit the MEGA MILLIONS! He went beyond being a "Lotto F*ckin Stud"!

[EGbball3Participant]

Another thing, how does he have 452 points in only one week and 5 days? He definitely cheated!

[EGbball3Participant]

Another thing, how does he have 452 points in only one week and 5 days? He definitely cheated!

[NO EZ BUCKETSParticipant]

Thats pretty close to impossible to get all 20 right and then not do $%*# after that. He can’t be legit.

[NO EZ BUCKETSParticipant]

Thats pretty close to impossible to get all 20 right and then not do $%*# after that. He can’t be legit.

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

Tech people think they can find out if he did cheat. Might have run a script. Seems highly improbable that it’s legit. Will keep you guys posted.

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

Tech people think they can find out if he did cheat. Might have run a script. Seems highly improbable that it’s legit. Will keep you guys posted.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Just, kind of strange that the guy with the next highest score only got the first 3 right, and that the "winner" got the first 20 in a row. Maybe, if he got the first 5 or so right, it would have been more believable. Sorry, Joe Wolf and BasterdInaBasket, you guys were REALLY close. Congrats to  cr9kaka8, your name is weird, but your mock was solid.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Just, kind of strange that the guy with the next highest score only got the first 3 right, and that the "winner" got the first 20 in a row. Maybe, if he got the first 5 or so right, it would have been more believable. Sorry, Joe Wolf and BasterdInaBasket, you guys were REALLY close. Congrats to  cr9kaka8, your name is weird, but your mock was solid.

[Stojakovicfor3Participant]

I agree with EGbball3. How can you have 452 points when you have 0 posts

[Stojakovicfor3Participant]

I agree with EGbball3. How can you have 452 points when you have 0 posts

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

who is danielwestra?

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

who is danielwestra?

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

it seems most of the guys who did good on the mock draft..rarely post on here..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

it seems most of the guys who did good on the mock draft..rarely post on here..

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

points awarded for first place winner

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

points awarded for first place winner

[DanEboyParticipant]

I just thumbed you down Aran….felt good.

[DanEboyParticipant]

I just thumbed you down Aran….felt good.

[omar dayzeParticipant]

im guessing his name is cristiano ronaldo #9, kaka #8… real madrid soccer players. there ya go 😉

 

[omar dayzeParticipant]

im guessing his name is cristiano ronaldo #9, kaka #8… real madrid soccer players. there ya go 😉

 

[aamir543Participant]

Ao you are telling me this guy had Kanter going to the Jazz,(We will give that to him, not too hard to predict) Thompson at 4,(thats crazy) Knight falling to 8? Fredette going at 10, which in the mocks would be the Bucks, and how the hell do you have Markeiff ahead Marcus! Plus, Shumpert to the Knicks? And Montiejunas at 20.

If you found a way to make this seem legit, I appluad you for your hackery/fortune telling/time machine skills, but no way this is actually legit.

[aamir543Participant]

Ao you are telling me this guy had Kanter going to the Jazz,(We will give that to him, not too hard to predict) Thompson at 4,(thats crazy) Knight falling to 8? Fredette going at 10, which in the mocks would be the Bucks, and how the hell do you have Markeiff ahead Marcus! Plus, Shumpert to the Knicks? And Montiejunas at 20.

If you found a way to make this seem legit, I appluad you for your hackery/fortune telling/time machine skills, but no way this is actually legit.

[aamir543Participant]

Yes! I came in 1,218th place!

[aamir543Participant]

Yes! I came in 1,218th place!

[Scottoant93Participant]

Who the F#(! are all these people never seen one post from them

[Scottoant93Participant]

Who the F#(! are all these people never seen one post from them

[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

Not allowed and… How does the scoring work for the picks in the last first and early second… Does it go by what actually happened in the draft or do they take each persons mock draft and do the scoring from there?

[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

Not allowed and… How does the scoring work for the picks in the last first and early second… Does it go by what actually happened in the draft or do they take each persons mock draft and do the scoring from there?

[providencefriars1Participant]

I had Montiejunas at 20. Its belivable if he got one of the surprises but all of them cmon

[providencefriars1Participant]

I had Montiejunas at 20. Its belivable if he got one of the surprises but all of them cmon

[JJeff6Participant]

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever seen.  Lol those must be some sh!tty a$$ tech guys if they saw that westra had it all legally. 

[JJeff6Participant]

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever seen.  Lol those must be some sh!tty a$$ tech guys if they saw that westra had it all legally. 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

this is bigger than the Wiki-leaks!

But honestly, getting 20 consecutive picks like that makes it too obvious. Even more obvious than Flynt Flossy’s favorite hobby.

 

but congrats to the winner though. I’m aiming to make the top 500 next year lol

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

this is bigger than the Wiki-leaks!

But honestly, getting 20 consecutive picks like that makes it too obvious. Even more obvious than Flynt Flossy’s favorite hobby.

 

but congrats to the winner though. I’m aiming to make the top 500 next year lol

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

The soccer player, who I still think has a weird name. I did not pick-up on the Ronaldo reference, but I find athletes name things are usually weird. Especially when you combine multiple names, trips me out. BoshJonesFord just reminds me of times of unparalleled mediocrity, and anything with cr and 8 reminds me of crate. I remove the 9 and still have the "Kaka" there. I guess I have issues…….

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

The soccer player, who I still think has a weird name. I did not pick-up on the Ronaldo reference, but I find athletes name things are usually weird. Especially when you combine multiple names, trips me out. BoshJonesFord just reminds me of times of unparalleled mediocrity, and anything with cr and 8 reminds me of crate. I remove the 9 and still have the "Kaka" there. I guess I have issues…….

[Scottoant93Participant]

[Scottoant93Participant]

[Mr.BigShotParticipant]

Disallow

[Mr.BigShotParticipant]

Disallow

[moochieeParticipant]

That mock could be legit, you’d have to have massive balls and just a pinch of luck to get those predictions right though. Tristan Thompson had been rumored to be higher on the Cavs board at one point, I didn’t buy it but maybe this guy could of.

[moochieeParticipant]

That mock could be legit, you’d have to have massive balls and just a pinch of luck to get those predictions right though. Tristan Thompson had been rumored to be higher on the Cavs board at one point, I didn’t buy it but maybe this guy could of.

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 If you are not able to prove he cheated, I say allow it, could be one of those things, like when my wife picks the football pick em, based on who has the cuter QB, and gets all the games right.

But if you find that he cheated he needs to be banned!

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 If you are not able to prove he cheated, I say allow it, could be one of those things, like when my wife picks the football pick em, based on who has the cuter QB, and gets all the games right.

But if you find that he cheated he needs to be banned!

[GrovesinternationalParticipant]

having tristan thompson at #4, brandon knight slipping to #8, iman shumpert going at #17 is too much of a coincidence to be legit 

[GrovesinternationalParticipant]

having tristan thompson at #4, brandon knight slipping to #8, iman shumpert going at #17 is too much of a coincidence to be legit 

[thparadoxParticipant]

 

Odds are VERY low, but this could happen. If he somehow saw Tristan Thompson at #4, then the rest of the draft shifts.

I had the Morris brothers back-to-back at one point. It kind of makes sense… they’re twins after all.

He has only been a user for 2 weeks, which is slighly more fishy.

Do we have any other info about this user?

Can you see if he did a bunch of mocks before and just updated it? Or was this the "first" draft of his mock?

[thparadoxParticipant]

 

Odds are VERY low, but this could happen. If he somehow saw Tristan Thompson at #4, then the rest of the draft shifts.

I had the Morris brothers back-to-back at one point. It kind of makes sense… they’re twins after all.

He has only been a user for 2 weeks, which is slighly more fishy.

Do we have any other info about this user?

Can you see if he did a bunch of mocks before and just updated it? Or was this the "first" draft of his mock?

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 @aamir  Most people figured out Jimmer would go to the bucks and be traded before the draft (i did at least) and It was said before the draft the Jazz decided on Enes Kanter. I also had Motiejunas to the wolves but it got messed up for some reason when i made some last minute switching.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 @aamir  Most people figured out Jimmer would go to the bucks and be traded before the draft (i did at least) and It was said before the draft the Jazz decided on Enes Kanter. I also had Motiejunas to the wolves but it got messed up for some reason when i made some last minute switching.

[HeelsGuy25Participant]

14th..very impressed since I didnt spend much time researching the draft like I usually do. I won one of these a few years ago yet no proof but I know I did..oh well.

[HeelsGuy25Participant]

14th..very impressed since I didnt spend much time researching the draft like I usually do. I won one of these a few years ago yet no proof but I know I did..oh well.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Now all mock drafts say they were updated at the same time 6/24/11 at 10:06 pm. Hope this has something to do with you looking into it. Kinda weird.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Now all mock drafts say they were updated at the same time 6/24/11 at 10:06 pm. Hope this has something to do with you looking into it. Kinda weird.

[bobforteParticipant]

 to be honest i think its possible he wasn’t cheating, actually i am leaning toward him not cheating.  I think it should be allowed unless you find out for sure that he was cheating.  It is a little weird he has only been here for a couple weeks.  

[bobforteParticipant]

 to be honest i think its possible he wasn’t cheating, actually i am leaning toward him not cheating.  I think it should be allowed unless you find out for sure that he was cheating.  It is a little weird he has only been here for a couple weeks.  

[JoeWolf1]

 A lot of the things like Thompson at 4, Marieff before Marcus and the Kings trade were talked about in the media.  I had Thompson at 4 a few days before the draft, but changed it because I was hearing more about Jonas.  I don’t think those kind of things smell funny, just the fact he got the 1st 20 right and then not a single one after that.

[JoeWolf1]

 A lot of the things like Thompson at 4, Marieff before Marcus and the Kings trade were talked about in the media.  I had Thompson at 4 a few days before the draft, but changed it because I was hearing more about Jonas.  I don’t think those kind of things smell funny, just the fact he got the 1st 20 right and then not a single one after that.

[DimetriFrancis17Participant]

 theres a couple of draft picks that were unpredictable, like jimmer to the bucks, bismack to the kings, singleton to the wizards, the morris twins going back to back and markieff going first…. theres no way he didnt cheat 

[DimetriFrancis17Participant]

 theres a couple of draft picks that were unpredictable, like jimmer to the bucks, bismack to the kings, singleton to the wizards, the morris twins going back to back and markieff going first…. theres no way he didnt cheat 

[JordanC20Participant]

No way possible to guess that many correctly in a row.

[JordanC20Participant]

No way possible to guess that many correctly in a row.

[MuggsyParticipant]

Yeah, no way that’s legit. It is kind of amusing how almost everyone with high scores aren’t even active posters.

[MuggsyParticipant]

Yeah, no way that’s legit. It is kind of amusing how almost everyone with high scores aren’t even active posters.

[JoeWolf1]

 @DimetriFrancis17, Jimmer to the Bucks was predictable because the Kings traded their pick with the Bucks over an hour before the draft and were considering Jimmer for the past month.  It was either going to be Tristan Thompson or Bismack at 7 and with Thompson off the board it’s not that crazy that Bismack was picked.  Singleton slipped and Markieff going before Marcus was something that was discussed on this board over a month before the draft because he plays a definate position and isn’t regarded as a tweener, Pheonix stated that they wanted toughness and rebounding and Markieff was a guy who had a great workout for them.  Again, those picks aren’t fishy to me, but someone who is good enough to pick the top 20, would have faired better off the last 40 picks of the draft, and in this case, this guy certainly did not.

[JoeWolf1]

 @DimetriFrancis17, Jimmer to the Bucks was predictable because the Kings traded their pick with the Bucks over an hour before the draft and were considering Jimmer for the past month.  It was either going to be Tristan Thompson or Bismack at 7 and with Thompson off the board it’s not that crazy that Bismack was picked.  Singleton slipped and Markieff going before Marcus was something that was discussed on this board over a month before the draft because he plays a definate position and isn’t regarded as a tweener, Pheonix stated that they wanted toughness and rebounding and Markieff was a guy who had a great workout for them.  Again, those picks aren’t fishy to me, but someone who is good enough to pick the top 20, would have faired better off the last 40 picks of the draft, and in this case, this guy certainly did not.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

There are 6,840 possibilities for the 1st 20 picks. So the chances of him getting them all right is 1 in 6,840.. Seems so unlikely if you ask me. 

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

There are 6,840 possibilities for the 1st 20 picks. So the chances of him getting them all right is 1 in 6,840.. Seems so unlikely if you ask me. 

[McDunkin]

danielwestra

[McDunkin]

danielwestra

[aamir543Participant]

There is a  .01462% chance that someone would have every single one of the first 20 right.

The idiot could have gotten 1 in evry three correct, and gotten a bunch really close. It angers me that someone could have such a great opportunity and not even try to be a little more discrete about it.

[aamir543Participant]

There is a  .01462% chance that someone would have every single one of the first 20 right.

The idiot could have gotten 1 in evry three correct, and gotten a bunch really close. It angers me that someone could have such a great opportunity and not even try to be a little more discrete about it.

[Allen_Iverson_3Participant]

I don’t like to say this, but unless you have a PROOF that he cheated, then you can’t disallow his mock. I mean you must applicate the "presumption of innocence" idea so he can’t, without any evidence, be disallowed even though I find it highly probable that he actually cheated.

[Allen_Iverson_3Participant]

I don’t like to say this, but unless you have a PROOF that he cheated, then you can’t disallow his mock. I mean you must applicate the "presumption of innocence" idea so he can’t, without any evidence, be disallowed even though I find it highly probable that he actually cheated.

[cward23Participant]

Unless it an be proven he cheated i say congrats. Many things in life happen that seem fishy but end up being legit.

[cward23Participant]

Unless it an be proven he cheated i say congrats. Many things in life happen that seem fishy but end up being legit.

[McDunkin]

This better be on Nancy Grace tonight

[McDunkin]

This better be on Nancy Grace tonight

[NYK2010Participant]

No way he got the first 20 right.

Cheating at a mock draft wow.

[NYK2010Participant]

No way he got the first 20 right.

Cheating at a mock draft wow.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

OH!! OK!!..I was wondering who got that Nancy Grace Pregnant..So it was you McNuttin…lol

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

OH!! OK!!..I was wondering who got that Nancy Grace Pregnant..So it was you McNuttin…lol

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