[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

I recently made a scale of player’s overall skills

now lone and behold or w.e. that saying says, i made a scale of ath. and i will give a few examples in each category

it goes:

below average/bad/terrible: Big Z, Scalabrine, Oberto (retired), Collin twins, etc.

Average: Steve Blake, Derick Fisher, Keith Bogans, Greg Monroe, etc.

Good: Ben Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, etc.

Very Good: Jamal Crawford, Aaron Brooks, Chris Wilcox, Jeff Green, etc.

Great/Elite: Sonny Weems, DeRozen, LeBron, Wade, Anthony Randolph, Wall, etc.

 

Likey or no Likey??

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

I like it. But where would Kobe fit in your eyes? Or B-easy? Or a guy like DeAndre Jordan?

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

I like it. But where would Kobe fit in your eyes? Or B-easy? Or a guy like DeAndre Jordan?

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

I like it. But where would Kobe fit in your eyes? Or B-easy? Or a guy like DeAndre Jordan?

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

kobe used to be an elite athlelte, now i would rank him just a good athelte

beasley is ranked between good and very good

and Jordan is a great athelte

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

kobe used to be an elite athlelte, now i would rank him just a good athelte

beasley is ranked between good and very good

and Jordan is a great athelte

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

kobe used to be an elite athlelte, now i would rank him just a good athelte

beasley is ranked between good and very good

and Jordan is a great athelte

[goneParticipant]

A good athlete doesn’t necessarily mean good jumping skills, it also includes body control and footwork to some degree so on that basis Kobe is elite

[goneParticipant]

A good athlete doesn’t necessarily mean good jumping skills, it also includes body control and footwork to some degree so on that basis Kobe is elite

[goneParticipant]

A good athlete doesn’t necessarily mean good jumping skills, it also includes body control and footwork to some degree so on that basis Kobe is elite

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

true… but kobe isnt that quick anymore or the highest jumper anymore, hes still a good athlete tho

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

true… but kobe isnt that quick anymore or the highest jumper anymore, hes still a good athlete tho

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

true… but kobe isnt that quick anymore or the highest jumper anymore, hes still a good athlete tho

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

actually i switch it…i would rank kobe in the very good category

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

actually i switch it…i would rank kobe in the very good category

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

actually i switch it…i would rank kobe in the very good category

[PureshooterParticipant]

We should try to name the best players of all time for each level of athleticism:

 

Terrible:  Yao

Average:  Bird

Good:  Magic

Very Good:  Kobe

Elite:  Jordan

 

Just throwing some out there.

[PureshooterParticipant]

We should try to name the best players of all time for each level of athleticism:

 

Terrible:  Yao

Average:  Bird

Good:  Magic

Very Good:  Kobe

Elite:  Jordan

 

Just throwing some out there.

[PureshooterParticipant]

We should try to name the best players of all time for each level of athleticism:

 

Terrible:  Yao

Average:  Bird

Good:  Magic

Very Good:  Kobe

Elite:  Jordan

 

Just throwing some out there.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

^ I like that list actually…well, i wouldnt say yao is a terrible athelte, but in his earlier years he was just average, but now of course hes below average

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

^ I like that list actually…well, i wouldnt say yao is a terrible athelte, but in his earlier years he was just average, but now of course hes below average

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

^ I like that list actually…well, i wouldnt say yao is a terrible athelte, but in his earlier years he was just average, but now of course hes below average

[goneParticipant]

Terrible: Oliver Miller

Eilte: Shawn Kemp

[goneParticipant]

Terrible: Oliver Miller

Eilte: Shawn Kemp

[goneParticipant]

Terrible: Oliver Miller

Eilte: Shawn Kemp

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

Thanks for the anwsering me. Pretty sure Guys like Lebron (in just athletism) and MJ are in a league all there own. 

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

Thanks for the anwsering me. Pretty sure Guys like Lebron (in just athletism) and MJ are in a league all there own. 

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

Thanks for the anwsering me. Pretty sure Guys like Lebron (in just athletism) and MJ are in a league all there own. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Great/Elite: Sonny Weems, DeRozen, LeBron, Wade, Anthony Randolph, Wall, etc.

Lets seperate that into 2 different classes.

Great: Weems, DeRozan, Randolph.

Elite: LeBron, Wade, Wall.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Great/Elite: Sonny Weems, DeRozen, LeBron, Wade, Anthony Randolph, Wall, etc.

Lets seperate that into 2 different classes.

Great: Weems, DeRozan, Randolph.

Elite: LeBron, Wade, Wall.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Great/Elite: Sonny Weems, DeRozen, LeBron, Wade, Anthony Randolph, Wall, etc.

Lets seperate that into 2 different classes.

Great: Weems, DeRozan, Randolph.

Elite: LeBron, Wade, Wall.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

No problem t-wolves fan

and kemp in his younger days was def. an elite athelte, dude has bunnies

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

No problem t-wolves fan

and kemp in his younger days was def. an elite athelte, dude has bunnies

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

No problem t-wolves fan

and kemp in his younger days was def. an elite athelte, dude has bunnies

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

@ oh canada i was actually bout to make a great and elite two seperate but i define great and elite atheltes that can each impact a game on athleitsm alone…

For example, a guy like deandre jordan doesnt have skill, but his athletism allows him to impact games whether its dunking, running the floor like a foward, blocking shots, etc.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

@ oh canada i was actually bout to make a great and elite two seperate but i define great and elite atheltes that can each impact a game on athleitsm alone…

For example, a guy like deandre jordan doesnt have skill, but his athletism allows him to impact games whether its dunking, running the floor like a foward, blocking shots, etc.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

@ oh canada i was actually bout to make a great and elite two seperate but i define great and elite atheltes that can each impact a game on athleitsm alone…

For example, a guy like deandre jordan doesnt have skill, but his athletism allows him to impact games whether its dunking, running the floor like a foward, blocking shots, etc.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

we all know that lebron, wade, wall and other guys r just to good of athletes to call them only "Great"

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

we all know that lebron, wade, wall and other guys r just to good of athletes to call them only "Great"

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

we all know that lebron, wade, wall and other guys r just to good of athletes to call them only "Great"

[OhCanada-Participant]

Sorry but it hurts my eyes to see Derozan and Lebron put in the same category athletically, its not even close man.

Secomd when Weems, and Derozan try to impact games on their athletisism alone thats when they play reclessly and create turnovers. When they control their tempo and play within the confinees of the system they flourish. The hugest misconseption on their game is their athletisism.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Sorry but it hurts my eyes to see Derozan and Lebron put in the same category athletically, its not even close man.

Secomd when Weems, and Derozan try to impact games on their athletisism alone thats when they play reclessly and create turnovers. When they control their tempo and play within the confinees of the system they flourish. The hugest misconseption on their game is their athletisism.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Sorry but it hurts my eyes to see Derozan and Lebron put in the same category athletically, its not even close man.

Secomd when Weems, and Derozan try to impact games on their athletisism alone thats when they play reclessly and create turnovers. When they control their tempo and play within the confinees of the system they flourish. The hugest misconseption on their game is their athletisism.

[cabbycabParticipant]

Anthony Randolf?  Really?  How about replacing him with Tyrese Thomas? 

[cabbycabParticipant]

Anthony Randolf?  Really?  How about replacing him with Tyrese Thomas? 

[cabbycabParticipant]

Anthony Randolf?  Really?  How about replacing him with Tyrese Thomas? 

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

the difference between demar and lebron is i think big too, i shoodve made a great and elite category lol

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

the difference between demar and lebron is i think big too, i shoodve made a great and elite category lol

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

the difference between demar and lebron is i think big too, i shoodve made a great and elite category lol

[LazarusMunozParticipant]

Put Blake Griffin in elite and take out Weems,Randolph,and DeRozan…Only a few players should be put in the Elite level

[LazarusMunozParticipant]

Put Blake Griffin in elite and take out Weems,Randolph,and DeRozan…Only a few players should be put in the Elite level

[LazarusMunozParticipant]

Put Blake Griffin in elite and take out Weems,Randolph,and DeRozan…Only a few players should be put in the Elite level

[stanford hoops]

you can see for sure by looking at draft express predraft measurments. They test every athletic catagory

[stanford hoops]

you can see for sure by looking at draft express predraft measurments. They test every athletic catagory

[stanford hoops]

you can see for sure by looking at draft express predraft measurments. They test every athletic catagory

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

Weems,Randolph,and DeRozan r great athletes but i agree there arent elite

and blake griffin is of course elite

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

Weems,Randolph,and DeRozan r great athletes but i agree there arent elite

and blake griffin is of course elite

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

Weems,Randolph,and DeRozan r great athletes but i agree there arent elite

and blake griffin is of course elite

[JNixonParticipant]

Thanks you OhCanada for saying that Derozan is not an elite. I’ve never seen him as a freak athlete in any way, but people made him out to be the next Vince Carter when he was in HS. He’s smooth and agile with nice body control, and he’s a solid leaper, but he’s only decent in terms of quickness and speed. He has no elite athletic trait IMO. Just some very good traits and some merely decent traits.

[JNixonParticipant]

Thanks you OhCanada for saying that Derozan is not an elite. I’ve never seen him as a freak athlete in any way, but people made him out to be the next Vince Carter when he was in HS. He’s smooth and agile with nice body control, and he’s a solid leaper, but he’s only decent in terms of quickness and speed. He has no elite athletic trait IMO. Just some very good traits and some merely decent traits.

[JNixonParticipant]

Thanks you OhCanada for saying that Derozan is not an elite. I’ve never seen him as a freak athlete in any way, but people made him out to be the next Vince Carter when he was in HS. He’s smooth and agile with nice body control, and he’s a solid leaper, but he’s only decent in terms of quickness and speed. He has no elite athletic trait IMO. Just some very good traits and some merely decent traits.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

personally i dont think that derozen is elite either

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

personally i dont think that derozen is elite either

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

personally i dont think that derozen is elite either

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

damn over 1000 posts sweet

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

damn over 1000 posts sweet

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

damn over 1000 posts sweet

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 Athleticism is not just leaping ability….you have to factor in:

Strength

Body Control

Speed

Quickness

Agility

Leaping Ability

with that being said people need to re-evaluate their list.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 Athleticism is not just leaping ability….you have to factor in:

Strength

Body Control

Speed

Quickness

Agility

Leaping Ability

with that being said people need to re-evaluate their list.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 Athleticism is not just leaping ability….you have to factor in:

Strength

Body Control

Speed

Quickness

Agility

Leaping Ability

with that being said people need to re-evaluate their list.

[ThaMatrixParticipant]

There should be a whole new catagory for scalabine, eddy curry and brian cardinal..

[ThaMatrixParticipant]

There should be a whole new catagory for scalabine, eddy curry and brian cardinal..

[ThaMatrixParticipant]

There should be a whole new catagory for scalabine, eddy curry and brian cardinal..

[bdoody42Participant]

What should the level be called for Scalbrine, Curry, and Cardinal?

Perhaps they have the same level as a  hippo… or manatee?

[bdoody42Participant]

What should the level be called for Scalbrine, Curry, and Cardinal?

Perhaps they have the same level as a  hippo… or manatee?

[bdoody42Participant]

What should the level be called for Scalbrine, Curry, and Cardinal?

Perhaps they have the same level as a  hippo… or manatee?

[stanford hoops]

Anthony randolph is considered a elite athlete?

[stanford hoops]

Anthony randolph is considered a elite athlete?

[stanford hoops]

Anthony randolph is considered a elite athlete?

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

i put him in the great/elite category…. technically imo hes a great athelthe, but not elite

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

i put him in the great/elite category…. technically imo hes a great athelthe, but not elite

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

i put him in the great/elite category…. technically imo hes a great athelthe, but not elite

[booyahParticipant]

how can u guys forget shannon brown?

[booyahParticipant]

how can u guys forget shannon brown?

[booyahParticipant]

how can u guys forget shannon brown?

[Sonny RedParticipant]

Antonio McDyess was an elite athlete when he came into the league. I got Elton Brand as an average athlete right now, he moves like a man much older then he is, and I know about the injuries.

[Sonny RedParticipant]

Antonio McDyess was an elite athlete when he came into the league. I got Elton Brand as an average athlete right now, he moves like a man much older then he is, and I know about the injuries.

[Sonny RedParticipant]

Antonio McDyess was an elite athlete when he came into the league. I got Elton Brand as an average athlete right now, he moves like a man much older then he is, and I know about the injuries.

[JoeWolf1]

A lot of athleticism as judged by NBA scouts and GM’s is perception.  Just look at Tyler Hansbrough, he was always getting knocked for being an average or even sub par athlete, yet he tested extremely high on agility, strength speed and leaping ability.  I think like a lot of you guys said athleticism is a combination of a lot of things.

To me an elite athlete is Michael Jordan, Lebron James, or Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp, and I would even put Blake Griffin in this category and I think Russell Westbrook is very close to here.  Guys that are physical freaks that don’t come along all that often.

I think at an NBA level you are a very good athlete if your vert is 35-40 inches, your fast and somewhat strong (Derrick Rose, DeRozen, Terrance Williams) OR if you have a high 30’s or 40+ inch vertical and are weak, slow, and kinda goofy ( cough cough Ryan Hollins, Anthony Randolph, Julian Wright) and are pretty much only playing basketball because you can jump and run well.

I think you can be considered a good NBA athlete if you have a 30-35 inch vertical or you make up for lower leaping ability with blazing speed ( Steve Nash) great strength ( Carlos Boozer, Kendrick Perkins)

I think if you are a pro basketball player and have a sub 30 inch vert and don’t have elite strength or speed you are a sub par NBA athlete.  That doesn’t mean you can’t play, there are tons of guys like this who have great skill sets, fundamentals or decades worth of veteran tricks.  You just might see them dunk in a game once every two years or so.

[JoeWolf1]

A lot of athleticism as judged by NBA scouts and GM’s is perception.  Just look at Tyler Hansbrough, he was always getting knocked for being an average or even sub par athlete, yet he tested extremely high on agility, strength speed and leaping ability.  I think like a lot of you guys said athleticism is a combination of a lot of things.

To me an elite athlete is Michael Jordan, Lebron James, or Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp, and I would even put Blake Griffin in this category and I think Russell Westbrook is very close to here.  Guys that are physical freaks that don’t come along all that often.

I think at an NBA level you are a very good athlete if your vert is 35-40 inches, your fast and somewhat strong (Derrick Rose, DeRozen, Terrance Williams) OR if you have a high 30’s or 40+ inch vertical and are weak, slow, and kinda goofy ( cough cough Ryan Hollins, Anthony Randolph, Julian Wright) and are pretty much only playing basketball because you can jump and run well.

I think you can be considered a good NBA athlete if you have a 30-35 inch vertical or you make up for lower leaping ability with blazing speed ( Steve Nash) great strength ( Carlos Boozer, Kendrick Perkins)

I think if you are a pro basketball player and have a sub 30 inch vert and don’t have elite strength or speed you are a sub par NBA athlete.  That doesn’t mean you can’t play, there are tons of guys like this who have great skill sets, fundamentals or decades worth of veteran tricks.  You just might see them dunk in a game once every two years or so.

[JoeWolf1]

A lot of athleticism as judged by NBA scouts and GM’s is perception.  Just look at Tyler Hansbrough, he was always getting knocked for being an average or even sub par athlete, yet he tested extremely high on agility, strength speed and leaping ability.  I think like a lot of you guys said athleticism is a combination of a lot of things.

To me an elite athlete is Michael Jordan, Lebron James, or Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp, and I would even put Blake Griffin in this category and I think Russell Westbrook is very close to here.  Guys that are physical freaks that don’t come along all that often.

I think at an NBA level you are a very good athlete if your vert is 35-40 inches, your fast and somewhat strong (Derrick Rose, DeRozen, Terrance Williams) OR if you have a high 30’s or 40+ inch vertical and are weak, slow, and kinda goofy ( cough cough Ryan Hollins, Anthony Randolph, Julian Wright) and are pretty much only playing basketball because you can jump and run well.

I think you can be considered a good NBA athlete if you have a 30-35 inch vertical or you make up for lower leaping ability with blazing speed ( Steve Nash) great strength ( Carlos Boozer, Kendrick Perkins)

I think if you are a pro basketball player and have a sub 30 inch vert and don’t have elite strength or speed you are a sub par NBA athlete.  That doesn’t mean you can’t play, there are tons of guys like this who have great skill sets, fundamentals or decades worth of veteran tricks.  You just might see them dunk in a game once every two years or so.

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