[SDEParticipant]

FYI Coach K asked him to play the summer in that tryout but couldnt for injuries,Dantoni said if he hadnt traded rondo he mite still be in Phoenix

Out of all the point guards i dont think none of them will take a back seat like rondo do with boston or have more heart than he does.People dont realize the pressure on him to make that team work he plays with more and more HOFs every year. CP3,Dwill,Rose are caught up trying to be that guy trying to cement thereselves more and more none of those guys will accept being a 4th option. Rose is a scorer ,DWILL is good but on boston he wont, he need his own team to shine, CP3 stop the madness everyone say he will be good on that team, but i want to see it first what he will do on a good team even Coach K said he could never start CP3 on the Dream team over J. Kidd,plus Rubio made hisself a lottery pick doing what he wanted on CP3

Truth be told only pg i mite want over rondo is Billups (killed CP3 in Playoffs)

Plus you dont win a Championship with PGs like that last one was isiah in 89-90 season, thats why if i need a PG to run my team Rondo my pick even wit that Jumpshot LOL

[MSNYParticipant]

get off rondo’s d!ck…i didn’t read one valid point, all just your bias and speculation

[doubledribblerParticipant]

Yeah poor Rondo. He’s playing with 3 future hall of famers. You could have probably replaced him with at least 12 other point guards and Boston would have won a championship.

I’m not sold on the guy. There is a reason Boston was looking to trade the guy. Same reason that he got benched at Kentucky his last year, who started a player in his place who was not even a 1/4 as talented as him. He’s talented. That’s obvious, but he has some major deficiencies.

[D_LegendParticipant]

Rondo has to work hard on defense and rebounding, why you may ask because he cant SCORE! Now in this league not only does your point guard have to be a play maker but he also needs to be a scoring option. Rondo is not that, if it wasn’t for playing with those HOF players lets be real he wouldn’t be a starter. He will not ever start over CP3, DWill, Rose, Billups, Nash, Kidd, Parker, Westbrook (who plays D just as well, plus can score at will) B.diddy, Miller, Harris, and a very underrated pg in calderon. So lets not overrate this guy, yes he is a good pg but no where near GREAT yet and I dont care what anyone says he is NOT an elite.

[SDEParticipant]

legend u a myth rondo is better than almost all thse guys u named and only two of them got rings so everyone u named is better than rondo ok u had me until u said miller

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

SDE,

he can’t take a backseat, that’s why they’re having chemistry issues out there. Rondo DOES want to be the guy.

Rondo is definitely a good player, and he’s top 5 in my book as far as “PGs” go. He’s still not the best. I’d gladly take DWill and CP3 over him everyday of the week. And I’d probably take Rose as well. I don’t know what I think about steve nash now that he’s reallly getting up there in age.

lol. you also think Melo is better than Wade so think what you wanna think, but I’m not gonna take anything you say seriously! hahahah Your claim that all those guys NEED to be THE GUY I think is wrong. The fact remains they ARE the guy on their team, because they are some of the best in the league. The same can’t be said for Rondo…

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Oh, and I just saw what you said about Billups, and yes I’d take Billups over Rondo, so we agree there.

[Untouchable JParticipant]

‘he plays with more and more HOFs every year’

That sentence alone lets me know your a kid, so ill use this as a teaching point to help the youth.

1. Rondo is the 4th option b/c he doesnt score. Not b/c of him being unselfish. He has no say in the matter

2. The real players in the league, and real watchers of the game, know whats up. His stats come by way of everyone’s attention being away from him. Not due to his overwhelming skill. He’s not in the same league as Rose, DWill, CP3, etc.

3. Anybody who regularly plays pick up should know this. Rondo is that 1 kid on the stacked team that hits the occaisional wtf shot when he’s wide open, but you HAVE to give him the shot b/c everybody else is so good.

[D_LegendParticipant]

Okay so you are telling me if you sub Miller for Rondo that Boston wouldn’t had won? Please miller runs a team 5x better then Rondo so lets not go there.

[TyroberParticipant]

lol if cp3 or dwill were on the celtics it wouldnt even be fair. do you realize he is the 4th option on the team? nobody even pays attention to him and thats why he shines. hes out there with the best players of a generation and nobody will focus on him. dont get me wrong. i love rondos game but he just isnt the best and thats pretty much all there is too it. and just for the cp3 wouldnt start over jkidd in the Olympics mess is because coachK didnt want to upset the “chemistry” but if you actually watch the games then you would realize mr kidd was way way past his prime. cp3 and dwill were 10x better than kidd there. Its the same reason chrisbosh didnt start over dwight. dwights a much better center in the NBA but over there they dont use the traditional center like we do.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I disagree. Can someone tell me how he had a triple-double in that playoff series then? Even if he plays with HOF’s he still get his. That’s why I said he’s this era’s Jason Kidd.

[D_LegendParticipant]

Rondo doesn’t have court vision like kidd. He’s freakishly long for his size and he’s quick. He has heart so he goes inside and bang’s for rebounds. But his defense is overrated he gets a lot of steals but he’s not a lockdown defender and all he does is to compensate for his lack of offensive game and average playmaking ability. Yes average, he’s not a pure pg.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

C’mon Im not saying he’s the top PG in the league, that goes to Chris Paul, but Rondo is for sure top 3.

No matter how you look at it he’s got a ring, he was 3rd in steals among pg’s, 3rd in rebounds amongst pg’s, averaged 8.2apg, and he’s probably the best on ball defender in the league.

At 6’1 rondo has a crazy wingspan, huge hands and great speed and quickness, he’s and athletic freak….. the only guard I would say more athletic than Rondo, is of course Rose.

And playing with 3 HOF’S is not as easy as people think, you must know how to make all 3 of them happy, who to give the ball to when to give it to them as they all probably think they can score it anytime.

Rondo is nowhere near average, he is above average and a top 3 pg in the league no matter what anyone says.

[D_LegendParticipant]

Jordan Farmer has a ring, Is he now top 5 pg’s in the league. KG lead them to a ring not Rondo. So don’t make it seem like that throws him into the elite category. Rondo is NOT a top 3 pg end of story, It’s a shame cause I actually like him, but dudes one here is getting a little ridiculous. And yes he avg 8.2 last yr but that doesn’t say much considering who he plays with, send him to the raptors and lets see him avg 8.9 like calderon, or send him to NO with basically nobody to past to but D west and see himm avg 11.0. Come on, again he is a good pg that fits into that system but he is NOT top 3, top 5 or top 8 maybe top 10. Ppl please watch the sport and not just follow hypes…..smh.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Rondo could go to the raptors and average the same if not more, if rondo was on another team he would dominate the ball more. On the celtics he has to give the ball up, calderon dribbles dribbles dribbles until he finds CB or someone open. Be serious man all of the physical gifts rondo has if he went to anotha team and took someones place he would be doing the same if not better. TOP 3

And btw….jordan farmar isn’t anywhere near rondo in terms of skill, or athletic ability my dude.

[Untouchable JParticipant]

youngdave,
Are you serious. He has a ring?! He has a ring?! My dude, look who he played with. He was the equivalent of John Paxson, Bj Armstrong, Kenny Smith for the Rockets, Jayson Williams for the Heat, ETC….all of them have rings and brought ‘something’ to the table, but by NO means does the fact that they have a ring enter the conversation when talking about their individual talent. Im offended when people say dumb shyt like that. A ring if your one of the best players means something, but if your a role player cut that shyt out tha argument. Fugoutta here

And yes, playing with 3 HOF’s IS easy. We’re not talking about for you an I, were talking about an NBA level player. If your in the nba and it gets harder for you the better your team is, your in the wrong league.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

No u idiot a ring just adds to everything else he’s done

Physical and individual talent he’s off the charts it’s obvious, he has the longest wingspan in the freakin league he’s top 3 fastest quickest guards, on ball defender, rebounder stop hating on rondo he’s a top 3 point guard no questions, no doubts at all.

Playoff time come he stepped it up even more WITHOUT A KG, like it or not rondo can go somewhere else and do the same things and perform the same way if not better.

[D_LegendParticipant]

Nice to see someone else with common sense and knowledge of the game step in seesh…..

[D_LegendParticipant]

Ok now I know you dont have any clue what your talking about. How young are you dave cause I think i might be wasting my time here. Harris, Parker, Barbosa, Ford, Brooks, thats just 5 players who are faster then Rondo so how can he be top 3????

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

You 2 funny my dude.

And on top of that rondo stepped his game up during the post season when it counted,NOBODY in the league had a better post season than him.

Chris Paul? NO all his numbers dropped 22.3ppg to 16.1 ppg, 5.5rpg to 4.4rpg and assist 11.1apg to 10.1 apg and got destroyed by Chauncey lol

Deron Williams points went up, rebounds he doesnt even rebound lol didnt even rate in the top 50 for guards, and assist stayed the same

Rajon Rondo 11.9ppg to 17.4 ppg 5.2rpg to 10.0 rpg and leading the league in rebounds in the POST SEASON 8.2apg to 9.8apg

lol damn near a triple double thats oscar robertson type stuff in the post season where it gets serious lol yall need to stop playin man

[McWinningParticipant]

Jason Kidd had a jumpshot and theres no way Rondo has those same kind of skills at running the point, you cant teach instincts.

[billykParticipant]

Kidds 3pt “set” shot didnt develop til later in his career….. Early in his career players played off of him and gave him the open jumper and he was very inconsistent… I agree that lately Rondo has been getting overrated but i still believe he is in the upper echelon of PG’s in the NBA….

[bonishswhsParticipant]

is the only player faster than Rondo. Those 5 guys you just mentioned arent that close to rondo. How can you say he isn’t a pure PG??? His ast avg keeps goin up every year hes been in the league and it really went up in the playoffs this year. Were talking about a guy, who in his senior year of high school, had 3 games with 27 or more assists…Is that not a true PG? And come on, you really think Calderon is better than Rondo??? Thats hysterical. Calderon isnt in Rondo’s league.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

And All Signs Point To Rondo As The Winner…..LOL

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I’m confused, you say he has 3 HOF on his side but you question his court vision?

BE HONEST HERE AND DON’T LIE…Is Rajon Rondo not the only reason the Celtics can beat the Lakers this year?

Kidd never had a jumper till like 2002 (That’s why they called him ason because he lacked a J) Rondo is a simlar PG. In Pheonix, they expected him to score and they failed. But in New Jersey with a good PF (K-mart) and a couple good shooters (Van Horn and Kittles) Kidd flourished and was in MVP talk (Should have won in 03) Rondo is the same player. He will never average 20 ppg but he will give you around 17ppg, 5rpg and 8apg. He has slowly improved and last season in the playoffs showed me a top 5 PG and the Best PG in the West.

You cannot average 8 assist without court vision.

[McWinningParticipant]

the reason Rondo cant shoot is because of his huge hands. they help for palming the ball and stuff but it hurtsyour shooting. thats why i dont think hell ever be able to develop that much of a jumpshot.

[nepaliman_7Participant]

no way rondo is better than chris paul. last season, the only reliable scoring option other than himself paul had was david west. he still averaged 11 assists per game. if you switch rondo and paul, rondo would average more points but only have 5-6 assists per game.and i dont understand how you have three hof with you and dont average 10+ assists per game

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

No I never said rondo is better than paul, im making a claim for him being top 3 pg’s in the league. Chris paul IS the top PG in the league hands down.

Rondo could go to NO and average more than 5-6 assist per game in his first year with the lowly celtics he averaged 4 apg with 21 mpg,

[sakuragi84Participant]

i have to agree with everyone that disagrees with saying that getting a ring adds to everything’s he’s done. Allen Iverson doesn’t have a ring, but he completly ran the 76ers when the made it to the finals. Also, a person with very limited abilities like Matt Bonner has a ring. Does that make him any better? No, just means he was on the right team at the right time.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Never said a ring meant that much, but it ADDS to your LEGACY matt bonner will never be remembered as anything but an ok player, if that. When You take CP3 DWill, Rondo, Rose,Parker all of the top pg’s rings will matter as to who led their team to VICTORY and to the big stage and won

[Knicksboy34Participant]

CP3 has West, Chandler, Posey,Peterson Butler…lets not call them terrible players.

Rondo will average 10apg next season. People forget he 23 years old. 23! He still has time to develop and you act as if the 3 HOF are gonna help with his PG skills..He’s not the greatest play maker but has time to develop

And If he averages 10apg what is your excuse? I mean, let it go he played 3 seasons and has improved his assist numbers, rebounding numbers, scoring numbers and FG%….so whatever you want the numbers dont lie

2006-2007 6.4ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.8apg and 41% shooting
2007-2008 10.6, 4.2 rpg and 5.1apg and 49% shooting (Championship starting PG)
2008-2009 11.9ppg, 5.2rpg and 8.2apg and 50% shooting

lets look at the playoffs shall we?

2007-2008 10.2ppg, 4.4rpg and 6.6apg (Championship)
2008-2009 16.9ppg, 9.7RPG and 9.8APG!

Come on, he’s only improving…say what you want, he will improve and is on a J-Kidd like career.

[McWinningParticipant]

Kidd had instincts and smaller hands. what i see Rondo as is a 15pts 8ass kind of guy who can be a good 3rd option and still compete with the best pgs because of defense.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Rondo’s instincts is right there at the top with any guard in the league and his intangibles are very good as well.

[McWinningParticipant]

i wouldnt compare it with Chris Paul though.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

He had 8.2 assists with 2/3 of the Big 3 for over 2/3 of the season.

With KG healthy and Wallace…he will average 10apg. Rondo is a top 5 PG Today and most people underrate him and say a rookie is better…that’s 100% crazy to me.

Rondo will be a 17ppg,10apg guy in his career. His Defense will make him a lock for the all D team (he was on there last year) and I see alot for him. At best he will be a 55% shooter

[McWinningParticipant]

but if he leaves for a bad team he wont be able to pass it to the big three and expect them to make the shot. if he leaves he could struggle withiout a jumpshot, and without good players to pass too.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

That’s if he leaves.

[McWinningParticipant]

if he stays the big three will get older too and the team will become a bad team. so what i think he should do is got to a team like Portland who needs a young point guard and where he can be the 3rd option.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Rondo WILL be a 20 and 10 with 8rpg watch wat i tell you

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Where ever Rondo goes, that team will be good. Rondo is a pure PG and his skills are improving. He is the best PG in the East and if he leaves, he will go and still put up great numbers.

[McWinningParticipant]

unless he gots a jumpshot (which will be hard because of his huge hands) i dont think hell ever be more than a 15 points a game guy.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

how do you know his hand size?

[McWinningParticipant]

ive seen him play and i heard it said on espn that its hard for him to shoot because of his huge hands.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Jason Kidd esque…I’m telling you..his game is like Jason Kidd

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Saying Rondo is a top 3 PG is getting carried away IMO. He is top 10 FOR SURE but top 3 is a stretch RIGHT NOW. Can he be top 3 in the future?..YES. I’m OK if you think he is better than Rose now but what about some of these other guys…You are telling me outside of DWill & Paul that you would take Rondo over all these players?:

Nelson
Harris
Arenas
Billups
Tony Parker
Nash

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Yes OVER NELSON 4SURE, and yes to parker,billups,nash and the rest of them he’s improving ever year and just getting better and he’s only 23 man

And yea his hands are the same size as Shaq’s and his wingspan is 7’0

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I said Top 5. I can say top 5 because here is my opinion.

Nelson- Average playmaker (5.2 apg) and will miss some games.
Harris- not a great shooter (29% from 3) also average playmaker and he’s good on losing team
Arenas-If healthy in my top 5
Billups- Older, he wasnt as good as he looked last season
Parker-He’s in my top 5
Nash- I dont think so. Even Dantoni said if he kept Rondo, he would still be coaching the Suns

[gatorheelsParticipant]

No way would I take Rondo over a healthy Arenas or Tony Parker. He isn’t better than either of them right now.

[McWinningParticipant]

its not a good thing to have that big of hands if you’re trying to shoot, so basicle you say hes a top 3 pg and then agree that hell never be thaty great of a shooter because his hands are too big

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Knicksboy, CP3 MADE David West and Tyson Chandler… let’s not forget that. Without him those two guys are very average. It was an absolute STEAL for NO to turn Tyson into Emeka!

And, whoever said Rondo is the best on-ball defender is smoking crack. You can’t take as many gambles as Rondo and be the best on-ball defender. That’s just counterintuitive.

I think everybody hates on Rondo WAY too much in terms of his offensive game… yes, he can’t shoot a jumper, but he gets to the hole at will and he’s a pretty good finisher. yes, he can’t shoot a jumper, but when you shoot 50.5%FG I DONT CARE HOW you put the ball in the hole, you’re doing a great job, especially as a guard. He certainly benefits from having Pierce and Allen on the wings, but 50.5% is 50.5% no matter how you try and spin it.

Rondo is ALL OVER the court. I’ve never seen him disappear in a game. even if he’s not scoring, his impact is felt on the glass, pushing the ball in transition, getting steals that lead to easy baskets…But like I said CP3, DWill and Chauncey are all in another league at this point because they are all more complete players. DWill or Chauncey on the Celtics?! dam, that’d be the squad. DWill and Chauncey can DEFINITELY defer to others and they’d be the ideal fits, IMO

[Knicksboy34Participant]

So Badger…you agree with me?

Plus dont buy into stats…Chandler missed a boatload of games and I dont think Okafor fits NO uptempo style.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

I disagree with your saying that CP3 has good pieces around him… I definitely think you have a solid take on Rondo. I think Jason Kidd is a WAY better passer than Rondo, but the way that Rondo rebounds reminds me of Kidd. To be honest, I didn’t watch a lot of JKidd in his earlier days so I can’t really say.

Don’t buy into Stats? Chandler’s stats were SO inflated because of CP3…Chandler was MADE by CP3’s alley-oops.

and… NO uptempo style? the majority of the games I’ve seen have been pick-and-roll CP3-David west, which is not uptempo…

[blazerheadfreak]

jason kidd is the way 2 go the only thing is that jason kidd can score the ball , rondo is a great at what he does play great defense get rebounds asts and stls and his 8-10 points please dont hate rondo he is not a scorer maybe sumtime down the road ?? maybe??????????????????? if ever!!!!
iight never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

KIDD IS HALL OF FAME NO WHERENEAR RONDO EVERY TEAM KIDD PLAYED ON WIN LOSS RECORD IMPROVED I DOUBT RONDO A HAVE THAT EFFECT ON OTHER TEAMS…I WATCHED KIDD GIVE SIGNIALS WITH BLINK OF AND EYE OR A CROSS OVER MOVE THAT SETS UP PLAYS TEH UNTRAINED EYE WONT SEE IT BUT HES TEAM WILL THAT LEADERSHIP….

RONDO HAS KG GET HIM 1 PASS IN THE POST HE DOES HIS GOTO A HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOT…….PASS TO RAY ALLEN WHEN HIS OPEN OR EVEN HIGHLY CONTSTES IN HE A KNOCK A SHOT DOWN AT A HIGH PERCENTAGE….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gigjm4C2s5Y…………….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJuRW6YRJa4

NO NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE….

TEAMS COME UP WITH 1 DEFENSE OPTION IF DONT SWITCH ON THE BIG 3 LEAVE RONDO OPEN HES CREATS WITH ROOM HE CRASHES BOARDS AND RACKS UP POINT IN ASSIT BY DOING SO YOU CANT BE SEROUIS ROSE IS BETTER THEN RONDO WAIT TELL NEXT YEAR

AND DERON HAS BETTER POST SEASON NUMBERS THEN RONDO HAS AND IS A WAY BETTER PLAYER THEN RONDO

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

you got to chill out on the caps lock. lol it’s distracting, and i can’t concentrate on what you’re saying!

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

PPL DONT RELIZE BOSTON WAS TALKING ABOUT TRADING RONDO…HES GOOD BUT A POINT LIKE ARRON BROOKS CAN DO THE SAME THING RONDO DOES…OR ANDRE MILLER..MARCUS WILLIAMS…..KIRK…..mario chalmers….petri kopeon is a wayyyyyy better point then rondo and he doesnt have an nba job

TAKIN CAPS OFF

All these players can give what rondo gives if not more…..We are talking about a player who isnt and option for points at all he has no plays besides the pick and roll..he gets point whenever he can……mario chalmers can do rondos job….petri kopeon is a wayyyyyy better point then rondo and he doesnt have an nba job period

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

Sarunas Jasikevicius plays better lead gaurd then rondo…..rondo is a nice player andplays his role well thats it…he isnt top anything because if another nice gaurd was in his shoes they celtics would still be a great team without rondo

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

None of the guys you mentioned rebounds close to as well as Rondo…

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

Rebouding really isnt a gaurds duty…..but there all players and it a help there team but the differnce is rondo crashes boards thats way differnt then getting a rebound when you able to rondo is in the mix wit the frontcout players..i watch games and saw on nba tv a diagram of what happens whn rondo crashes boards all of the celtics stay in the mix some player like allen start to shy away from there defender to get open….while players on the other team including the point start to go back or waits for the ball to be thrown out to the perimeter wich is what most points do…..so rondos hustle reach and leaping ability help him get boards with no defnder boxing him out since the point is heading back or waiting for the ball to get thrown out to him

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

that doesn’t change the fact that he grabs the rebound… which those other guys that you mentioned do not do… also how many of those guys shot 50%FG ?

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

thats a good feat for rondo….but most the points i named arent all star cal…but they could play lead gaurd for boston jus as rondo did and boston will still be a great team if not better…he shoots 50% on boston he grabs as many rebounds on boston if he leaves he wont do any of these things. boston makes rondo better and rondo makes boston better…but if he leaves you will be foolin yourself if he puts up the same numbers…the coaches wouldnt give him the green light to gun as he does at times in boston I watched him dribble the ball into a half court set in take his defender to the court for a lay up
in the first seconds of a shot clock numerous times in other players dont help becuase if they do 1 of the big 3 will get open….i seen him do that behind the back move he does thats risky….. thats like his goto in players are catchin on and to block a lay up is very easy….rondo is good but i juss dont think he a put up the numbers if he was on another team

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I cannot believe you named 5 scrub PG’s plus Andre Miller and said there better then Rondo…you are highly wrong in that case. I’m sorry that was a foolish post man.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

this dude talkin out the side of his neck, rebounding is a plus for guards that enables them to start the fast break instead of going and getting it from the big, rondo grabs the rebound he’s gone and is gettin him or someone else an layup i think a coach would love a guard who can rebound opposed to a guard who cant………

RONDO TOP 3 FOR SURE.

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

You said it best its a plus it isnt a job..be serouis

dave what two pointgaurds do you have better then rondo…..

because that will mean nash,billups,deron,chris,parker,fisher,brooks,miller,kidd,baron,rose,sessions,duhon,telfair,harris,jose etc are all after him

saying hes top 3 means he could be the number 1 point in the league……..how does that work

saying hes top 3 means hea a max player in he should make over 10 million a year and since hes younger then the big 3 they should invest all there money in him in he should be the face of their franchise since hes top 3 point gaurd in teh league

it doesnt make sense rondo isnt a max player so hes inst top 3 lead gaurd in the nba

[llperez]

next season imo:

1-Chris Paul
2-Deron Williams
3-Derrick Rose
4-Tony Parker
5-Gilbert Arenas
6-Chauncey Billups
7-Steve Nash
8-Baron Davis
9-Devin Harris
10-Rajon Rondo

Russell Westbrook, Jameer Nelson, ans MO Williams just miss the list. Also, this list is assuming Arenas and Davis make close to 90% comebacks from injuries.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I disagree

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

you think rondo is top 3 ? I have nothing to say to you hes a good player but not a max player in a top 3 pg in thsi league is a max player

who is better gilbetr or rondo you say gilbert isnt top 3 but rondo will never get a bigger contract then him if they were both on the market

don fool you self into thinking rondo is better then kidd,nash,billups, or chris paul i can go on he isnt that great

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I never said top 3 homie…I said Top 5 pg in the NBA today.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Jose Calderon isnt a top 13 PG?

Steve Nash, Baron Davis, are gonna have a better season than Westbrook?

[llperez]

Calderon would be right after the 13 guys i named. Which ones do you think he is better then? And I like Westbrook a lot, but I think BDiddy will play inspired ball next year because of the young clipper players rejuvinating the atmosphere around that team. Davis near 100% is definitely an all-star caliber pg. Nash has fallen a lot, but his ability to run the team and knock down shots is still top notch. Plus he is consistent. Westbrook is gonna be on this list soon and I really like him. But I still think he is developing as true pg and his ability to defend and pentetrate don’t override his lack of ability to run the team comfortably yet. Really, all these guys are great and this list just shows how deep the pg spot is.

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

top 5 point gaurd are hall of famers,future hall of famers..or have big contracts because there level of play…..rondo doesnt the fit the bill of any of those and sayings hes top 5 is saying he belongs somewhere in the top thats like when a player gets drafted hes projected to go somewhere in th top 5 he could 1st 2nd or 3rd in the draft…so saying rondo is top 5 means he can be 1st 2nd or 3rd on the list of top 5 points gaurd in the nba..that doesnt add up

[Knicksboy34Participant]

You dont like Rondo so of course you would say that. He is the best Overall PG in the East and he is a rising star in the NBA..HOLD ON I’LL POST HIS NUMBERS FOR YOU

2006-2007 6.4ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.8apg and 41% shooting
2007-2008 10.6, 4.2 rpg and 5.1apg and 49% shooting (Championship starting PG)
2008-2009 11.9ppg, 5.2rpg and 8.2apg and 50% shooting

lets look at the playoffs shall we?

2007-2008 10.2ppg, 4.4rpg and 6.6apg (Championship)
2008-2009 16.9ppg, 9.7RPG and 9.8APG!

I dont know any PG who had playoff numbers like that at a young age who is not a HOF. I’m not saying Rondo is but if your gonna kill people, Rondo is not one of them. Sorry!

[llperez]

Just curious, if you say he is top 5, then which of the 9 guys I had ahead of him on my list a couple comments ago do think Rondo is better then?

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

“this dude talkin out the side of his neck, rebounding is a plus for guards that enables them to start the fast break instead of going and getting it from the big”

most teams dont start fast breaks off a defensive rebound lol from the point gaurd at that….. esspically the celtics

now your talking out the side of your neck…what is he talking about he dont know basketball his name is young dave

everybody laugh at him

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Rose,Billups, Nash, Harris and Davis

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

we will never know if rondo is great as the stats tell because stats dont tell he has 3 hall of famers on his team and in the 08 finals ppl barley gaurded him when he didnt have the ball…when the big 3 arent the big 3 anymore or if rondo goes to another teams in puts up the same numbers i will admit im wrong but untill then lets agree to disagree

[butidonthavemoney]

Point guards usually aren’t suppossed to rebound they are suppossed to be defending the fast break. Doc Rivers got upset at Rondo because he allows a lot of fast breaks to happen while he is chasing rebounds.

Different coaches have different philosophies on this. Rondo is one of the best rebounding point guards but that doesn’t make him one of the best point guards. Boston might be better off with him commited to getting back on D.

[llperez]

the Harris, Nash, and Davis arguments. But Rose is gonna explode next year just watch. He has some of the most exposive one on one moves and can get into the lane at will. His rookie year was just the tip of the iceberg and he will become the best pg in the east next year depending on how well Arenas comes back. Also, I think the Celtics would be a much more dangerous team if they trade Rondo for Billups next season. Billups can run a team just as well if not better then Rondo. His defense is excellent. And his shooting and experiece trumps Rondo’s. I think the Celtics would gladly take him over Rondo if we are just talking about who is better right now.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I wanna wait before calling him the top 5 PG.

I like Rose alot. But (To be honest) he is a average playmaker and is not a elite defender. But he also needs to show me he is a late game shooter but this is a big question for the Bulls this year. I wanna see another couple seasons of this before i say “He’s a top 5 PG” No player in recent memory (20 years) IMO has stepped into the NBA and has been a top position player.

Also, if Derrick Rose can walk into the NBA and be a TOP 5 PG, it makes the other PG’s look weak and bad IMO.

Down the Line (2 years), I wanna revisit the topic of Rondo vs Rose and Rose may be better.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

To me, I think Rose would be dominant if he got to play with KG, Pierce and Allen. I don’t think there’s any question they would have won the East with him as the PG two yrs ago. I don’t know about without KG last year, but I think they would have been better. just my opinion though

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Same here to me Rondo just gotten into a good situation with the big three. Sure he show some stuff during the playoffs but he isn’t a very consistent pg compare to the elite ones.

[llperez]

to see I’m not alone on feeling like Rondo is a little overrated. I still believe he is top 10 pg and a huge part of what Boston plans on doing. But some people on here think he is this great all-star. There was another thread where a number of people were saying if they could do the 2006 draft again, he would be picked ahead of Brandon Roy. That just does’nt make sense to me.

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