[AusBobParticipant]

 Does CLE need to lose anyone to sign LBJ to a max?

Thanks in advance 

[nick5354Participant]

Yes.

They are trying to trade Jack in order to clear up space. Last thing I heard a trade involving Marcus Thornton was possible and talks started again, however, Cavs need a third party to take on Thornton as well.

[nick5354Participant]

Yes.

They are trying to trade Jack in order to clear up space. Last thing I heard a trade involving Marcus Thornton was possible and talks started again, however, Cavs need a third party to take on Thornton as well.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

And they are trying to dump Varejao’s contract as well I heard. 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

And they are trying to dump Varejao’s contract as well I heard. 

[JCliff24Participant]

The Cavs never traded Andy despite a million opportunities to for this exact reason. Lebron and Andy are very close friends. Andy isn’t going anywhere.

Post about Jack/Thorton is spot on. Nets/Cavs have agreed. Currently looking for 3rd team.

[JCliff24Participant]

The Cavs never traded Andy despite a million opportunities to for this exact reason. Lebron and Andy are very close friends. Andy isn’t going anywhere.

Post about Jack/Thorton is spot on. Nets/Cavs have agreed. Currently looking for 3rd team.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 No.  Cap is 63 mil I believe, right now they are at 33.67 mil.

 

 

 http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 No.  Cap is 63 mil I believe, right now they are at 33.67 mil.

 

 

 http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm

[nick5354Participant]

That graphic doesn’t account for Wiggins. and being a #1 pick Wiggins is entitled to a lot of money, guaranteed $11,269,320 over his first two years. Plus if you account for Kyrie extension, and some wiggle room Cavs will need to dump Jacks 3 year 18.9 mil contract.

[nick5354Participant]

That graphic doesn’t account for Wiggins. and being a #1 pick Wiggins is entitled to a lot of money, guaranteed $11,269,320 over his first two years. Plus if you account for Kyrie extension, and some wiggle room Cavs will need to dump Jacks 3 year 18.9 mil contract.

[[email protected]Participant]

it does not kick in until next year, he still has 1yr left on his current deal. He signed a 5yr extension to the end of that, so Cavs have him for at least 6 yrs.

[[email protected]Participant]

it does not kick in until next year, he still has 1yr left on his current deal. He signed a 5yr extension to the end of that, so Cavs have him for at least 6 yrs.

[nick5354Participant]

My point is Cleveland will need to look at their future contract obligations, beyond 2014.

In 2016-17 Cavs will have to pay the following

Kryie Max

Lebron Max

Jack $6.3 mil

Bennet $7.3 mil

Waiters $6.8 mil

With Zeller, Karasev and Felix looking at money as well but not guaranteed I think

Thompson will need an extension too he is due for a pay rise

Add in Wiggins will be earing about 6 mil then too.

And to also add in the fact they will need to save money for players to make up remaining roster spots.

My point is they need to have and remain with some financial flexibility, with two players on max contracts and a bunch of #1 and #4 picks who will demand heaps of money.

[[email protected]Participant]

he does not care about the salary cap and luxury tax.

They have like 8 players on rookie contracts that he can go over the cap for and after that they just sign ring chasers like other contender and over the cap teams do to fill out there bench.

[[email protected]Participant]

he does not care about the salary cap and luxury tax.

They have like 8 players on rookie contracts that he can go over the cap for and after that they just sign ring chasers like other contender and over the cap teams do to fill out there bench.

[nick5354Participant]

My point is Cleveland will need to look at their future contract obligations, beyond 2014.

In 2016-17 Cavs will have to pay the following

Kryie Max

Lebron Max

Jack $6.3 mil

Bennet $7.3 mil

Waiters $6.8 mil

With Zeller, Karasev and Felix looking at money as well but not guaranteed I think

Thompson will need an extension too he is due for a pay rise

Add in Wiggins will be earing about 6 mil then too.

And to also add in the fact they will need to save money for players to make up remaining roster spots.

My point is they need to have and remain with some financial flexibility, with two players on max contracts and a bunch of #1 and #4 picks who will demand heaps of money.

[tuck243Participant]

IDK the purpose of trying to either…  Outside of adding another piece of course

[tuck243Participant]

IDK the purpose of trying to either…  Outside of adding another piece of course

[tidhoParticipant]

They DO NOT need to move Andy.

As noted above, they have the deal in place to flip Jack for Thornton. This saves some cap money but more importantly, Thornton is an expiring so he should be able to move. The Cavaliers are swimming with picks, or could add a player to get Thornton moved. Once that process is complete the Cavaliers have enough room for a max contract.

[tidhoParticipant]

They DO NOT need to move Andy.

As noted above, they have the deal in place to flip Jack for Thornton. This saves some cap money but more importantly, Thornton is an expiring so he should be able to move. The Cavaliers are swimming with picks, or could add a player to get Thornton moved. Once that process is complete the Cavaliers have enough room for a max contract.

[AusBobParticipant]

basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234147/In-Pursuit-Of-Max-Contract-Slot-For-LeBron-Cavs-Searching-For-3rd-Team-To-Take-Thornton

Lets all now wait n see！

[AusBobParticipant]

basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234147/In-Pursuit-Of-Max-Contract-Slot-For-LeBron-Cavs-Searching-For-3rd-Team-To-Take-Thornton

Lets all now wait n see！

[TheTruth86Participant]

Cavs fans wanted him dead 4 yrs ago, why would he return ?

[TheTruth86Participant]

Cavs fans wanted him dead 4 yrs ago, why would he return ?

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This LeBron and Kyrie pairing would be really cool to watch. Offensively, I don’t know if there is a better ‘point guard’ fit for LeBron than Kyrie. Obviously, there are great point guards throughout the league and LeBron would play exceptionally well with any of them and vice versa, but Kyrie’s skillset on offense seems to be perfect to play with LeBron. LeBron is more of a fascilitator than Kyrie and allowing Kyrie to attack off of LeBron’s initiation skill would be great to watch.

Taking the responsibilities of a traditional point man off of Kyrie and allowing him to be more of a scorer working off of LeBron would have him in a more comfortable role and allow him to play harder on defense. Now, defense should always be a main focus, however, so much offensive responsibility has been laid on Kyrie it is almost unfair to ask more of him on defense. Both players could split lead ballhandler responsiblity, keeping them fresh and prevent the offense from becoming stagnant, which happens often in Miami.

I just think these guys would be a great match together and allow one another to play very comfortably in both the halfcourt and fast break situations.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This LeBron and Kyrie pairing would be really cool to watch. Offensively, I don’t know if there is a better ‘point guard’ fit for LeBron than Kyrie. Obviously, there are great point guards throughout the league and LeBron would play exceptionally well with any of them and vice versa, but Kyrie’s skillset on offense seems to be perfect to play with LeBron. LeBron is more of a fascilitator than Kyrie and allowing Kyrie to attack off of LeBron’s initiation skill would be great to watch.

Taking the responsibilities of a traditional point man off of Kyrie and allowing him to be more of a scorer working off of LeBron would have him in a more comfortable role and allow him to play harder on defense. Now, defense should always be a main focus, however, so much offensive responsibility has been laid on Kyrie it is almost unfair to ask more of him on defense. Both players could split lead ballhandler responsiblity, keeping them fresh and prevent the offense from becoming stagnant, which happens often in Miami.

I just think these guys would be a great match together and allow one another to play very comfortably in both the halfcourt and fast break situations.

[WITNESS2014Participant]

 I think Wiggins would benefit in a lot of ways by having Lebron there. Wiggins could learn from Lebron and train with him. There would be a lot of open shots for Wiggins, cuts to the basket, and fast break opportunities. Kyrie would have a lot more open shots as well with Lebron there. Lebron lead a worse cavs roster to 66 wins.. I can only imagine what he could do with this team.

[AusBobParticipant]

Kyrie Irving is a player that knows how to pass, rather then not able to make that pass. He dominates the ball becuase he feels that he is number one on the floor in count down situations, hence, dont feel he needs to pass the ball as often as he actually should. I turely believe once Lebron comfirms his arrival, he will happy adapt into that passing role. He is a smart player, he should know this change could be a big positive difference for him down later in his career.

There is still time for him to be the man, additional gains such as will be at a more mature age to lead the team, more seasoned after playing with Lebron. Wiggins who will only grow in his time in the NBA. I am being quite optimistic here, however, Lebron, Irving, Wiggins, Bennett and quailty defesive guard with shooting ability (Dion Waiters trade) in 2/3 years still seems to be a scary core group of players. 

Throwing in a random senario: What if Irving is moved in a deal to Min for Love? Love seems a better fit for Lebron’ play.  Then use Waiters off the bench as the sixth man, Lebron should be able to guide him in a better direction and allow greater growth as a player. The role fits him perfectly.

[AusBobParticipant]

Kyrie Irving is a player that knows how to pass, rather then not able to make that pass. He dominates the ball becuase he feels that he is number one on the floor in count down situations, hence, dont feel he needs to pass the ball as often as he actually should. I turely believe once Lebron comfirms his arrival, he will happy adapt into that passing role. He is a smart player, he should know this change could be a big positive difference for him down later in his career.

There is still time for him to be the man, additional gains such as will be at a more mature age to lead the team, more seasoned after playing with Lebron. Wiggins who will only grow in his time in the NBA. I am being quite optimistic here, however, Lebron, Irving, Wiggins, Bennett and quailty defesive guard with shooting ability (Dion Waiters trade) in 2/3 years still seems to be a scary core group of players. 

Throwing in a random senario: What if Irving is moved in a deal to Min for Love? Love seems a better fit for Lebron’ play.  Then use Waiters off the bench as the sixth man, Lebron should be able to guide him in a better direction and allow greater growth as a player. The role fits him perfectly.

[WITNESS2014Participant]

 I think Wiggins would benefit in a lot of ways by having Lebron there. Wiggins could learn from Lebron and train with him. There would be a lot of open shots for Wiggins, cuts to the basket, and fast break opportunities. Kyrie would have a lot more open shots as well with Lebron there. Lebron lead a worse cavs roster to 66 wins.. I can only imagine what he could do with this team.

[strobox88Participant]

 Heard on ESPN if they can get Lebron, they can trade Verejao and another asset to get Kevin Love.  A core of Kyrie, Waiters, Wiggins, Lebron and Love would be amazing.

[strobox88Participant]

 Heard on ESPN if they can get Lebron, they can trade Verejao and another asset to get Kevin Love.  A core of Kyrie, Waiters, Wiggins, Lebron and Love would be amazing.

[TMoney617Participant]

I think that at least they’d have to get rid of Waiters to get Love

[TMoney617Participant]

I think that at least they’d have to get rid of Waiters to get Love

[AusBobParticipant]

Possible Love trade, but surely they would need to lose Kyrie. But still amazing core with Waiters Wiggins Lebron and Love. Wow

[AusBobParticipant]

Possible Love trade, but surely they would need to lose Kyrie. But still amazing core with Waiters Wiggins Lebron and Love. Wow

[BA30Participant]

Irving isn’t going anywhere. I would assume the package would be similar to Waiters, Andy, Karasev and multiple picks. Any trade for Love has to include Andy just to match salary. Cavs couldn’t do it otherwise.

[BA30Participant]

Irving isn’t going anywhere. I would assume the package would be similar to Waiters, Andy, Karasev and multiple picks. Any trade for Love has to include Andy just to match salary. Cavs couldn’t do it otherwise.

[dremill24Participant]

 Can someone explain to me the draw to Cleveland’s roster in comparison to say..the Suns? I’ll buy the going home draw but nothing ive seen references that being too important. Everything talks about how the Cavs roster has ‘young talent and flexibility’. Hasnt everybody said the same thing every year since Kyrie arrived? And they’ve sucked every year.

Yes im a bit of a homer, but seriously you cant use ‘young talent and fflexibility’ and claim that Cleveland is a better spot than Phoenix.

[dremill24Participant]

 Can someone explain to me the draw to Cleveland’s roster in comparison to say..the Suns? I’ll buy the going home draw but nothing ive seen references that being too important. Everything talks about how the Cavs roster has ‘young talent and flexibility’. Hasnt everybody said the same thing every year since Kyrie arrived? And they’ve sucked every year.

Yes im a bit of a homer, but seriously you cant use ‘young talent and fflexibility’ and claim that Cleveland is a better spot than Phoenix.

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

Sure you can…Irving, Waiters, Wiggins compared to….whoever is going to be on the Suns roster next year.  That’s a no brainier.  Dragic and Bledsoe both could be gone next year.  Also don’t forget the the appeal of playing staying in the east as opposed to the much tougher west.  You could put Lebron on any team in the east damn near and they would be a threat to make the finals every year.  I know the suns played decent this year, but nobody if your inlebrons shoes Cleveland is waaay more attractive.  Kyrie is a legit superstar, that alone makes Cleveland a better situation to build a championship squad with.  Not to mention its home for the guy, and he would be a god there if he delivered a chip.

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

Sure you can…Irving, Waiters, Wiggins compared to….whoever is going to be on the Suns roster next year.  That’s a no brainier.  Dragic and Bledsoe both could be gone next year.  Also don’t forget the the appeal of playing staying in the east as opposed to the much tougher west.  You could put Lebron on any team in the east damn near and they would be a threat to make the finals every year.  I know the suns played decent this year, but nobody if your inlebrons shoes Cleveland is waaay more attractive.  Kyrie is a legit superstar, that alone makes Cleveland a better situation to build a championship squad with.  Not to mention its home for the guy, and he would be a god there if he delivered a chip.

[AusBobParticipant]

I cant not agree more. May I add that the difference in quality teams between the East and West should also be somewhat a factor. 

[AusBobParticipant]

I cant not agree more. May I add that the difference in quality teams between the East and West should also be somewhat a factor. 

[Cavaliers420Participant]

I hate to be that guy but, Lebron isn’t coming back. This hype is all built up by the media. Would be great for the city and everything but I honestly can’t believe he would leave Miami. (Not saying I don’t want him back because I would easily throw on my #23 jersey or buy a new one, but I just wont believe anything that isn’t out of Lebrons mouth)

[Cavaliers420Participant]

I hate to be that guy but, Lebron isn’t coming back. This hype is all built up by the media. Would be great for the city and everything but I honestly can’t believe he would leave Miami. (Not saying I don’t want him back because I would easily throw on my #23 jersey or buy a new one, but I just wont believe anything that isn’t out of Lebrons mouth)

[AusBobParticipant]

That was my first reaction too 🙂

For Lebron, there should only be two possilbe desitnations, MIA or CLE. I believe there is little to no chance he goes to another team. He will just give the media more things to write about.

However, if you really sit down and think about it, it seems to be a more mature decision for him to go back to the Cavs. We are all human after all. Its very likely possible he will be forgiven if he goes back to CLE. At least the press should. He will forever have a home in Ohio, Why not? 

He needs to chase rings. That it the only focus for him now. He need rings to up his status for a GOAT case disscussion in 30 years time (Lebron is getting picked apart too much via media, allow some time for fans to settle down and let the new generation of players and fans to debate in 30 years, opinions may differ? 

CLE vs MIA, if you compare the rosters. One is growing with great potential players compared to a team full of aging players whom unforetunately are declining through time. CLE roster could be pretty scary team in 2 years, which Lebron should be in Championsship hunt again plus a much younger and healthier core. Even when Lebron’s body slows down, he can settle in a become a great facilitater on offence to help the growth of Ivring and Wiggins (under a team concept), both should be very effective players when matured. This will allowLebron’s Championship window extend well into his late 30s.

Winging a NBA championship for CLE will not doubt set up a forgivness event in CLE.

Why not think about it, Lebron?

[AusBobParticipant]

That was my first reaction too 🙂

For Lebron, there should only be two possilbe desitnations, MIA or CLE. I believe there is little to no chance he goes to another team. He will just give the media more things to write about.

However, if you really sit down and think about it, it seems to be a more mature decision for him to go back to the Cavs. We are all human after all. Its very likely possible he will be forgiven if he goes back to CLE. At least the press should. He will forever have a home in Ohio, Why not? 

He needs to chase rings. That it the only focus for him now. He need rings to up his status for a GOAT case disscussion in 30 years time (Lebron is getting picked apart too much via media, allow some time for fans to settle down and let the new generation of players and fans to debate in 30 years, opinions may differ? 

CLE vs MIA, if you compare the rosters. One is growing with great potential players compared to a team full of aging players whom unforetunately are declining through time. CLE roster could be pretty scary team in 2 years, which Lebron should be in Championsship hunt again plus a much younger and healthier core. Even when Lebron’s body slows down, he can settle in a become a great facilitater on offence to help the growth of Ivring and Wiggins (under a team concept), both should be very effective players when matured. This will allowLebron’s Championship window extend well into his late 30s.

Winging a NBA championship for CLE will not doubt set up a forgivness event in CLE.

Why not think about it, Lebron?

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

 I think he should and will got back to the Cavs btw.  The Miami experiment was a great success but it is coming to an end.

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

 I think he should and will got back to the Cavs btw.  The Miami experiment was a great success but it is coming to an end.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

LeBron and his agent are trolling Cleveland big time lol. He’s not coming back. 

It was only four years ago that Cleveland fans were burning his jersey and the owner was writing pathetic letters. 

The roster has talent, but they’re not that good. Very unproven. They have a coach who’s unproven (NBA wise). A jerk of an owner. Cleveland’s front office has been seriously incompetent. 

I’d be shocked if LeBron went back here… 

 

 

 

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

LeBron and his agent are trolling Cleveland big time lol. He’s not coming back. 

It was only four years ago that Cleveland fans were burning his jersey and the owner was writing pathetic letters. 

The roster has talent, but they’re not that good. Very unproven. They have a coach who’s unproven (NBA wise). A jerk of an owner. Cleveland’s front office has been seriously incompetent. 

I’d be shocked if LeBron went back here… 

 

 

 

 

 

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