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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 8:36am #65927
TarHeelRavenParticipantPlenty of kids parents vouch for their kids, stand up and voice how great they think they are, where they want them drafted and such. Lavar has taken this to new and frankly frightening levels in my opinion. Just my opinion, but Lavar sounds like a complete disaster. Talking about a 1 billion dollar shoe deal for his 3 sons combined, 2 of which havent played a game of college ball yet?? Insane. I mean they guy thinks he could beat Jordan 1 on 1 in his prime. That’s dumb enough to say as is. It seems as though any team that drafts Lonzo and subsequently his 2 other sons will have to deal with this headache. He’s obviously looking to profit tremednously of his sons basketball talent. Wouldnt be the first time, but to me the guy just seems to be a headcase that is going to meddle in the basketball business and give GM’s possible fits. Do you guys think Lavar will raise red flags for GM’s looking to draft Lonzo and is what Lavar doing a good things for his sons in you guys opinion?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 8:45am #1094049
SubZeroParticipantLonzo is a good enough prospect to where I can’t imagine a team in the top 3 passing on him just because of Lavar, but I can definitely see him causing a stir in the media, especially if the team he’s on doesn’t do well right off the bat because in his mind, Lonzo being on the team should be enough to win a championship.
And no, I don’t think it’s good at all for them what he’s been doing. Obviously if one of them ends up winning a championship or sell a lot of jerseys people will say that all the publicity was good and he’s a genius or whatever, but plenty of people are already wishing failure on these 3 solely because of Lavar (and because of all the cherry picking at Chino, which I completely understand). I really like Lonzo’s game but there’s a very small part of me that wants him to not be as good as advertised just to watch Lavar blow up. I don’t think Liangelo’s near as good as Lonzo and I can’t wait to hear what Lavar has to say about him next year when UCLA isn’t as good as they were this year
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 8:48am #1094051
SubZeroParticipantThe most problematic thing might be that he thinks getting fouled in 1 on 1 matters. He said he’d beat Jordan by backing him in the post, getting him in the air, and drawing the foul everytime. All that would do is keep the score 0-0 forever. Unless Jordan got the ball first and scored, but not likely cause Lavar said MJ wouldn’t be fast enough to get around him
0- Posted on: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 3:54am #1094114
cabbycabParticipantwait, he says he could beat MJ in 1-1?? Now, I know he is delusional. What’s next…he could beat Bird 1-1 by going around him to the hoop? He couldn’t beat slow ass Chris Mullin in a game of 1-1. What a joke. The Hornets might have something special coming for Lonzo next year.
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 8:53am #1094053
BasterdInABasketParticipant“A billion dollars, it has to be there,” Ball told USA Today in an article published Monday. “That’s our number, a billion, straight out of the gate. And you don’t even have to give it to me all up front. Give us $100 million a year.”
Don’t have to have ME a lump billion dollars.
Wow how noble and virtuous and in the best interest of your kids. This idiot needs to go away. Lebron Bell had a great tweet about Ball saying he could beat MJ one on one pointing out while MJ was averaging 35 a game in Chicago Lavar was averaging 2.2 ppg at Washington State. His sons game has done all the talking he needs and is postion to be the top pick despite his dad running his mouth.0 - Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 9:05am #1094055
kingoftheplaygroundParticipantit’s not what you say but how you say it. I like that’s he’s so supportive of his sons but does he have to be so brash??? Attention is a drug and Lavar Ball is getting close to overdosing.
and don’t ever mention Michael Jordan period.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 9:14am #1094057
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantI’m convinced Lonzo can be a very good player if he’s coached correctly and put into a good environment
That said, I’m afraid he’s going to get drafted by the dysfunctional LA Lakers (That or he’s forced to LA by Lavar via some strong armed social media tactics or meddling behind the scenes)
Either way you slice it, the kid comes in with a father that is putting unreasonable expectations on his son and Most GM’s will not want to deal with the Ball family Brand because of it…
Maybe Magic can control Lavar, but Lonzo will have the entire Lakers franchise on his shoulders and his father in his ear telling him he’s already better than Steph Curry! This is recipe for disaster IMO, pressure burst pipez OR makes a diamond…
I had a good feeling about Lonzo before all this non sense with his Father came out…I still think he can thrive in the NBA if he’s given the right coaching…
Luke Walton is a decent coach but I’m afraid he’s too soft to develop boys into men, let alone keeping an unrealistic father from firing off social media brain farts every other week
I’d be surprised if he ends up anywhere but LA to be honest, I see a Steve Francis/Eli Manning type trade going down IF the Lakers don’t win the right to draft Lonzo straight up, don’t be surprised if they let Russell go shortly after, Lavar will not want his Client/Son/Property playing with another PG Prospect…
Bottom line is, Lavar is completely justified in the way he’s raised and mentored his sons, He’s got at least 1 winning lottery ticket and wants to maximize HIS earning potential…If he creates a "Brand" big enough to make a few dollars off on the back of his eldest son’s basketball talent than so be it, what I can’t wait for is the eventual 30 for 30 titled "Ball or Nothing"
Because Lonzo HAS to be a Star in the NBA and rather quickly too or he faces the wrath of public opinion, all because his father let it be known his son IS better than the likes of Steph Curry, LiAngelo has to fill his brothers shoes at UCLA or else, LaMelo has to hope either of his older brothers don’t flop at the next level or ALL the pressure shifts to him to carry the family Brand…
Lonzo has the best shot to be a good to great NBA player, I don’t see much of an NBA future for either Gelo or Melo TBH, Lavar had to know he can’t fool NBA GM’s more than once unless he hits the jackpot and Lonzo IS the goods…I have faith he has the talent to be, but his pop just put a Ten Ton weight and on a pair of young shoulders…
Pressure burst Pipes, or creates a flawless diamond…
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 9:19am #1094059
Anton123ParticipantC’mon, Scarecrow! You’re a Sixers fan! The Lakers can’t draft Lonzo because they will fall out of the top 3 and give up their pick!
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 9:45am #1094062
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantWe have great odds to take the Lakers THIS year IF at least one team outside the Top 5 jumps into the Top 5, it happens more often than not, I’m actually placing a huge bet the 76ers get the 1st overall Pick in back to back drafts, and I’m calling the eventual order after the lottery…
1. Philadelphia drafts Markelle Fultz
2. Orlando drafts Lonzo Ball (traded to Lakers for Russell and Top 3 protected Pick in 2018)
3. Boston via Brooklyn drafts Josh Jackson (traded to Chicago for Jimmy Butler)
4. Philadelphia via Lakers draft Lauri Markennan (The ultimate Okafor replacement/Embiid insurance policy)
I have a feeling this will happen, I’ve run it on the Lottery simulator several times and Phila lands picks 1 and 4 in 15% Of the trails
The Nets/Celtics only have a 25% chance to keep their pick and the Lakers are powerless in this regard, they either give up the 4th pick in this draft or hand over the potential #1 pick Next Year, because they’ll still be terrible next year and they’ve got to get rid of some players IF they do land Lonzo
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 9:35am #1094061
OhCanada-ParticipantI think people calling him a bad father have no grounds. As far as the kids go I dont think that hes done a bad job raising them. I wish my dad had the same passion committed to my success. Most people dont even have fathers let alone ones that will push and teach thier kids and it seems like Lavar has raised some successful kids.
As far as him telling his sons "Somebody has to be better than Jordan. Why not you." Ive got no problem with that, kt seems like a good thing to plant into your kids mind.Him calling out Curry and Jordan is what it is. Its like Kanye calling himself Yeesus ot Jay Z calling himself Hova (Jehova). Hes planying seeds. You wouldnt dare put Lanzo in that category before but now for better or for worse his sons are sharing headlines with Curry and Jordan. So when you type Micheal Jordan or Stephen Curry in your search engine guess whos name pops up. Sure hes talking out of his ass but you know the saying any press is good press.
The one problem I would have is if his kids secretly fear him. You should never fear disappointing employer/manageryor let alone your father the way you fear god. But from the outside looking in they all seem to genuinely love thier father themselves and the sport.
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 10:07am #1094066
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantI don’t think you meant the comment to any one in particular but I never said or implied he was a "Bad" father…
He’s just an unrealistic and controlling one IMO, He has every right to raise his brood however he wishes so long as it follows the laws set forth by people above us…
I don’t judge him harshly for pushing his son’s into any one profession from an early age, it’s no different than a Dragon Mom forcing her kids to take Piano lessons at the age of 3…Iron sharpens Iron, but it’s an entirely different scenario to deem your Child prodigy better than Beethoven when the kid hasn’t composed 1 note let alone conduct the entire Symphony…
Image a kid going to medical school for 1 year, and after showing a ton of promise he’s told to drop out and become a brain surgeon without a degree, fair enough IF you trust him with YOUR BRAIN but having that Kid’s mother or father tell the world their unproven child prodigy IS already smarter/better/whatever than a PHD Doctor Than I have a problem…
That’s such a bad example to set for anyone let alone your son/daughter and in turn the kids he’ll influence along the way…
Yeah let’s all write checks our asses can’t cash, let’s let these kids believe they’d be able to stand in the ring with Floyd Mayweather without a stitch of in ring experience…
LAvar has to look himself in the mirror and ask, has everything I’ve said and done for the betterment of my son’s? Or am I living through them and pushing them into the life I wanted as a player?
I believe the truths lies somewhere in the middle
Lavar could be 1 part loving and supportive father and 1 part Joe Jackson…
If at least 1 ends up like Mike, I guess we can live with all the ass whoopings huh?
I wouldn’t mind it one bit IF I destined to be Mike, but if I’m just destined to be Tito than dammit let me live!
#Free LiAngelo
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 3:24pm #1094088
OhCanada-ParticipantYah I didnt even read your earlier post. Just think he isnt a bad father. Hes doing a great job of marketing his sons brand. Arguably a better job than Nike, Jordan, Adidas, Under Armour would have. Hes easily the most marketable player in this draft. Lamelo is tied for the most marketable in HS with Zion Williamson. These kids get pimped out all the time they are probally better off under thier fathers guidance. He seems to have a direct plan and is executing it well they just need to play ball.
Like I said before there is nothing wrong with telling your kids you think they can be better than Jordan and if you truly do tell your kids that in person every single day OF COURSE he will go on ESPN radio and tell the world that. The Ball kids are used to it by now and have been hearing this thier whole lives and that maybe why they sre in the position they sre in right now.
RJ Barretts father is the same way. He was Canadian baller who gave everything to his countries team. He did broadcasting for the Raptors got good with Steve Nash, Jay Triano, Leo Rautins and all of team Canada by working hard. Brought his son up through the ranks every single step with the best Canadian talent development possible. Now RJ Barrett is an absolute stud. Difference is Lavar is doing the marketing for the family as well.
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 10:23am #1094068
ChoppyParticipantI don’t mind him encouraging his kids to aspire to be better than Jordan, I have a problem when he says HE is better than Jordan. Loses all credibility with that one statement.
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 3:30pm #1094090
OhCanada-ParticipantI do agree with you it makes him an easy target but thats actually why I dont mind it. Hes being a father first. Just my opinion but it seems he would rather lose credibility with us then with his sons from what he has been telling his sons his whole life. Im sure they are all aware that none of them are on Jordans level but its his job to work the media and not change his tune with his sons.
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 9:53am #1094063
SeattleSuperChronicsParticipantA lot of people think trying to profit off your kid is like one of the worst things. But preindustrial life people were profiting off their kids through agricultural means constantly. Why do you think less families are having more than 2 kids. They have become a dept rather than a benefit in a lot of ways. I have no problem with him trying to profit in this capitalistic society. It’s all we Americans know. Does it mean he loves them less? No. If anything it shows how much he values his kids. And apparently it’s over a billion dollars.
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 3:35pm #1094091
SubZeroParticipantIs that why he won’t let his kids sign a deal with any other company?
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 10:01am #1094065
Magic JordanParticipantI don’t really see why this matters. I am sure everybody wants a billion dollar shoe deal, I know I do. Unfortunately for Lavar, want is not really based in reality.
If and when he goes into meetings asking for a billion dollars from Nike, they will just laugh and probably counter with something under 10 million.
So he will either take what is offered, or he won’t have a shoe deal. Pretty simple.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 11:14am #1094070
llperezi have pros and cons
pros are that his sons all seem well rounded and dont come off as punks. When lonzo was asked about his fathers comments he responded with "im just playing basketball". Ive seen video of them at home where they play video games and play practical jokes on each other and talk trash while going one on one in the backyard. Seems like a normal well balanced group to me. Ive also read where on christmas day Lavar took all 3 of his sons to the gym and put them through a workout. You can view that as you want, over bearing or a guy who knows how to push his kids towards a healthy and financially profitable goal. Hes also said how he likes the fact his kids dont act like him with being loud and demonstrative becasue he grew up in the hood and they grew up in a nice chino hills suburban nehighborhood with a pool. Fathers should want their kids to be better than them even if it means living vicariously through them.
Now my Cons. It really bugged me when lavar stated that lonzo would be better in the nba than at ucla becasue he will be playing with better players. He name dropped like 3 ucla players including tj leaf by saying somethign along the lines of " when you turn tj leaf into anthony daivs or you turn bryace alford into andre iguodala, youll see how speacial my boy can be". For one, he didnt have to disrespect ucla’s current players like that to hype his kid. Secondly, by college standards, ball has a lot of talent around him that helps him look good just like he helps them. And also, at the nba level, like someone else mentioned if lonzo goes to a bad team, nobody wants to hear the father spouting off about things making the situation worse. Somebody will have to pump the brakes on lavar if he starts doing that stuff at the nba level.
0- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 3:36pm #1094092
OhCanada-ParticipantYeah he needs to learn how to choose his words to make a point. He defenitely throws too many of his "allies” for lack of a better word under the bus. He did the same thing to the Chino Hills players and Head Coach and that could become a big issue in the NBA.
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 2:56pm #1094086
BiggysmallsParticipantBall can do whatever he wants. What he does affects my life very little. I just wish media people would stop putting microphones in his face because he’s annoying af.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 1:50am #1094109
Meditated StatesParticipantThose boys are lucky. FOLLOW WHAT DAD SAID. HE GOT YALL THIS FAR. NCAA is exploiting them,UCLA,NBA,ESPN, whats the issue with dad promoting his sons hard. Lucky kids man. Lots of us wish we had dads like him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 1:07pm #1094152
markfitz14ParticipantThey will make money off the marketing of themselves as well. It has prbly been more than a full time job having 3 kids who play ball year round at a high level. He has to travel a ton and invest a ton of money in teams and equipment. They are family. If I had dough I wouold give it to my family as well. I say good for him I hope he manages them well.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 6:19pm #1094166
BeastMode716Participanta 1,000% behind his kids. I grew up in the inner city. The short time my father was in my life he expended all his energy trying to ruin it.
I hope that doesn’t come off as a sob story, it’s just the truth & many of my friends had the exact same situation.
And having a lousy old man has real life impact later in life. For example, when the only male role model you have in your life who is Supposed to protect you only hurts you then you become cynical & don’t trust anyone
And you really can’t get anywhere in life if you believe from the time you are 8 that you can’t trust anyone & every adult male you come in contact with is just trying to get over on you.
So I Luv seeing this guy w/ his kids. He luvs his kids & you can see they luv him. And believe it or not he takes a lot of pressure OFF of them b/c the hate gets directed at him & not them. As far as the exact dollar amount – who cares. I Luv that the man thinks in terms of business & teaches his kids to do the same thing.
These kids will be the first players w/ their own brand. They have their BBB incorporated as a company so they can get around the NCAA’s crazy rules to keep these kids eating Oddles O Noodles while these universities are making Millions $$$$ off these kids. So they can take in income as a Family & buy the kids whatever they need as parents – you don’t think Rich people living in gated communities are not teaching their kids the Exact same thing?
I hope More kids do this. I Luv the Ben Simmons showtime documentary. These top kids are being forced to go to these Universities for TWO reasons – to make Millions for the Universities by marketing these kids & to protect NBA Franchises from making a bad investment too soon. Think about it. Teams get a full year to get a look at these kids play top competition before the NBA teams have to invest in a gaurenteed contract, So there is Zero thought about the actual players. So Anything that benefits players I’m all for. I think Ball Sr would make a Great agent.
0- Posted on: Thu, 03/16/2017 - 5:16am #1094190
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantThe problem is that you don’t even have to be that old to remember Josh Selby, Perry Jones, Isaiah Austin, Quincy Miller, Renardo Sidney, James McAdoo, LeBryan Nash, Patric Young, Anthony Bennett, Alex Poythress, Wayne Selden, the Harrison twins, Chris Walker, Cliff Alexander, and Emmanuel Mudiay. There are a million things that can alter even the most acclaimed high school kid’s career, and he is putting a massive target on his younger children so that people are going to want to see them fail.
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- Posted on: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 7:27pm #1094170
antiwork3000ParticipantI get it. Get paid while it’s hot. It’s not like his son’s are next LeBron, kobe, Jordan. Best case scenario he’ll be a top tier player ala Kidd. And heaven forsake an injury or slow start. Highest bidder asap while it’s hot.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 7:27pm #1094171
antiwork3000ParticipantI get it. Get paid while it’s hot. It’s not like his son’s are next LeBron, kobe, Jordan. Best case scenario he’ll be a top tier player ala Kidd. And heaven forsake an injury or slow start. Highest bidder asap while it’s hot.
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