[high floorParticipant]

I was trying to research the specifics regarding the Lakers 1st round draft pick to the Magic from the Dwight Howard trade. Is it lottery protected? Will it arrive in 2016, 2017, or later?

That pick could hold quite a bit of value if Orlando wants to trade for an all-star and package with 1 or 2 of it’s young pieces. Especially if it’s within the next year or 2 while the Lakers are still figuring things out.

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks! 

  

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 This site says the pick is top 5 protected in 2018 and unprotected in 2019. The Sixers have the opportunity at the Lakers pick this year if it falls out of the top 3. I think it’s unprotected in 2017 tho for the Sixers (not 100% sure tho, I’m banking on this season lol)

It’s hard to imagine the Lakers being bad up until 2019. They can actually attract free agents post-Kobe era for obvious reasons of the glamour of LA. But who knows *kanye shrug*

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 This site says the pick is top 5 protected in 2018 and unprotected in 2019. The Sixers have the opportunity at the Lakers pick this year if it falls out of the top 3. I think it’s unprotected in 2017 tho for the Sixers (not 100% sure tho, I’m banking on this season lol)

It’s hard to imagine the Lakers being bad up until 2019. They can actually attract free agents post-Kobe era for obvious reasons of the glamour of LA. But who knows *kanye shrug*

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

One thing I wanted to understand was how teams determine how long it is protected or what basis (i.e top 5 protected for a certain year, then unprotected the next)

Any insights to this? How are these conditions determined? I see the Celtics pick from the Mavs this year is top 7 protected until 2020. That’s a pretty solid condition to add by the Mavs.

 

 

 

 

[Hoop til the death of meParticipant]

 Basically, year by year the pick protection becomes less and less. (One year its top 5 then the next its top 3, top 2 etc etc depending on the agreement between the teams).

 Teams trading the pick away use protection as a safety valve just incase their season bombs, so they can still keep their pick, and by the time the draft pick is no longer protected they actually have some talent and win so the pick would be worthless because it would be later in the draft. 

Teams recieving the picks use this as an investment. They’re hoping that what they traded away can actually improve that team enough to where the pick can actually be theirs. Or they’re hoping that by the time the pick is no longer protected the opposite team isn’t doing well, so the pick may have a chance of being high. 

The conditions of the year by year protection is negotiated by the GM’s as they look at the possible future of both the franchises. It varies from being top 20 protected one year to lottery protected to the next and so on or so forth. Most of the time, by the time the pick is actually unprotected the team who traded it away is actually doing well. But there are times like what happened with Detroit in 2003. The grizzles trade a protected draft pick away in the late 90’s and then slowly the picks protection decreased from year to year until it was Top 1 protected in 2003. By that time the Grizzlies went through many rebuiliding stages and had the worst record in the league that year. On the other hand the Pistons just came off a great season then owned the pick that had the highest chance to be the #1 draft pick that year. So for the Grizzlies it was either get the first pick and get Lebron or nothing. They ended up getting the 2nd pick which meant the Pistons owned it. But it ended up being a waste because they drafted Darko Milicic over Melo, Dwade, and Bosh. 

GM’s usually decide the length of the duration on how they see the team being in a couple years. If they are in a bad spot they usually protect it for a while until they can accumulate and develop some talent. Also, another factor that decides how long it is protected is what is traded for the draft pick. If its just some role players, they usually dont put protection because they wont really improve the team that much. If an all-star caliber player is traded, the pick is ususally protected until they believe that the opposite team wont be as good so they have as much chance as possible to get a high draft pick. Also future talents can sway the decision. If they see generational talents going to a certain draft, they usually want the draft unprotected so they have as much chance to get him as possible. 

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

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[tuck243Participant]

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[Hoop til the death of meParticipant]

 Basically, year by year the pick protection becomes less and less. (One year its top 5 then the next its top 3, top 2 etc etc depending on the agreement between the teams).

 Teams trading the pick away use protection as a safety valve just incase their season bombs, so they can still keep their pick, and by the time the draft pick is no longer protected they actually have some talent and win so the pick would be worthless because it would be later in the draft. 

Teams recieving the picks use this as an investment. They’re hoping that what they traded away can actually improve that team enough to where the pick can actually be theirs. Or they’re hoping that by the time the pick is no longer protected the opposite team isn’t doing well, so the pick may have a chance of being high. 

The conditions of the year by year protection is negotiated by the GM’s as they look at the possible future of both the franchises. It varies from being top 20 protected one year to lottery protected to the next and so on or so forth. Most of the time, by the time the pick is actually unprotected the team who traded it away is actually doing well. But there are times like what happened with Detroit in 2003. The grizzles trade a protected draft pick away in the late 90’s and then slowly the picks protection decreased from year to year until it was Top 1 protected in 2003. By that time the Grizzlies went through many rebuiliding stages and had the worst record in the league that year. On the other hand the Pistons just came off a great season then owned the pick that had the highest chance to be the #1 draft pick that year. So for the Grizzlies it was either get the first pick and get Lebron or nothing. They ended up getting the 2nd pick which meant the Pistons owned it. But it ended up being a waste because they drafted Darko Milicic over Melo, Dwade, and Bosh. 

GM’s usually decide the length of the duration on how they see the team being in a couple years. If they are in a bad spot they usually protect it for a while until they can accumulate and develop some talent. Also, another factor that decides how long it is protected is what is traded for the draft pick. If its just some role players, they usually dont put protection because they wont really improve the team that much. If an all-star caliber player is traded, the pick is ususally protected until they believe that the opposite team wont be as good so they have as much chance as possible to get a high draft pick. Also future talents can sway the decision. If they see generational talents going to a certain draft, they usually want the draft unprotected so they have as much chance to get him as possible. 

 

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

One thing I wanted to understand was how teams determine how long it is protected or what basis (i.e top 5 protected for a certain year, then unprotected the next)

Any insights to this? How are these conditions determined? I see the Celtics pick from the Mavs this year is top 7 protected until 2020. That’s a pretty solid condition to add by the Mavs.

 

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 Very helpful! Here, take a +1 point of my peoples

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 Very helpful! Here, take a +1 point of my peoples

[Magic JordanParticipant]

So the Lakers Magic goes like this according to RealGM, which I believe is more accurate than the draft notes on this site.

The Lakers pick to the 76ers is top 3 protected in 2016, Top 3 protected in 2017 and unprotected in 2018.  If the Lakers don’t convey the pick to the 76ers by 2017, The first round pick owed to the Magic will be converted into a 2nd rounder in 2017, and a 2nd rounder in 2018.

 

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

The Magic pick is supposed to take place 2 years after they give the pick to the 76ers. If the Lakers give their pick to the 76ers this season (the 2016 pick), the Magic get the Lakers 2018 pick. If the Lakers get a top 3 pick in 2016, they keep it and give their pick to the 76ers in 2017 (top 3 protected) and the Magic get the Lakers’ 2019 pick. 

In the unlikely event that the Lakers don’t give up their picks to the 76ers in 2016 or 2017, the 2018 pick goes to the 76ers (unprotected). And if THAT happens, the Lakers don’t give the Magic a 1st round pick. The Magic would get two 2nd round picks (one in 2017 and one 2018). 

The Lakers are tied for the 2nd worst team in the league. We’ll see what happens. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

The Magic pick is supposed to take place 2 years after they give the pick to the 76ers. If the Lakers give their pick to the 76ers this season (the 2016 pick), the Magic get the Lakers 2018 pick. If the Lakers get a top 3 pick in 2016, they keep it and give their pick to the 76ers in 2017 (top 3 protected) and the Magic get the Lakers’ 2019 pick. 

In the unlikely event that the Lakers don’t give up their picks to the 76ers in 2016 or 2017, the 2018 pick goes to the 76ers (unprotected). And if THAT happens, the Lakers don’t give the Magic a 1st round pick. The Magic would get two 2nd round picks (one in 2017 and one 2018). 

The Lakers are tied for the 2nd worst team in the league. We’ll see what happens. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

So the Lakers Magic goes like this according to RealGM, which I believe is more accurate than the draft notes on this site.

The Lakers pick to the 76ers is top 3 protected in 2016, Top 3 protected in 2017 and unprotected in 2018.  If the Lakers don’t convey the pick to the 76ers by 2017, The first round pick owed to the Magic will be converted into a 2nd rounder in 2017, and a 2nd rounder in 2018.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Thanks for clearing it up, the Magic are still due some pretty nice picks from the D12,Iggy, Bynum trade but I bet the Magic wish they had managed to get to Lakers first rounder before Phoenix and now Philly. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Thanks for clearing it up, the Magic are still due some pretty nice picks from the D12,Iggy, Bynum trade but I bet the Magic wish they had managed to get to Lakers first rounder before Phoenix and now Philly. 

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