[valentine]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! how do you let a team score that much?..and philly isnt even a team that drops bucket like that..i said the kings would probably be the worst team int he nba this year but now im changing my pick..the knicks may score more then the kings but the lack of defense has to over shadow that..i hate to bash the knicks but man this is just pathetic

[THUNDERstruckParticipant]

in their defence it was in OT, pushing the final numbers up by about 15 points

[quincey hodges]

thats still bad..141 with only one ot..phx leads the leauge in scoreing at 116….theres no excuse..

[OrangeJuiceJonesParticipant]

I really don’t understand Mike D’Antoni’s philosophy with this Knicks team. He wants them to play like his old Suns team, but they’re nowhere near as good as that team. I know it’s early, but they look screwed right now: no lottery pick in 2010, and marketability as the only way to attract a free agent. There’s also the underlying issue of Eddy “Too Much” Curry’s player option.

[bkballerParticipant]

YOUR NETS GAVE UP 123 IN REGULATION getting spanked by the wizards WITHOUT TWO OF THEIR TOP 3 PLAYERS….STOP IT knicks went to OT not saying they werent awful on defense but stop making anti knick threads when your teams blows as well…thanks

[marcusfizer21Participant]

The Knicks allowed 40 points in the 1st Quarter…LOL… That’s a lot of easy baskets and transitions… Though they did make a comeback but still, their defense is very poor overall… I bet an nbadraft.net team could score 120 against them with llperez, sheltwon, gatorheels, quincey, thetruth, magikknick and even aran can score 20 against them… Their defense is that bad…

[MagikKnickParticipant]

“i hate to bash the knicks”

then why have you done it after every game so far?

And Yes, the Knicks suck…but the 4th quarter of that game, was probably one of the most entertaining quarters of basketball I’ve ever watched

[gatorheelsParticipant]

quincey loves to bash the Knicks LOL

I have to agree though 141 points to Philly is just pitiful.  I guess D’Antoni thinks they can just outscore teams but they couldn’t even outscore Charlotte the other night haha….time to rethink the strategy Coach!  Lets be real, the Bobcats are below average offensively.

[llperez]

my problem is hiring a coach who is proven to not emphasis defense. You never see him getting on his guys after blown defensive assignments. He didn’t do it in Phoenix, I doubt he’s gonna change in NY. That’s not what you build a young team around. He got away with it in Phoenix because they had a lot more talent. As a fan, I would never want a “7 seconds or less” type coach leading my team in the playoffs.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Reports are that Chris Duhon said the team hasn’t been focused nor have they been taking the games seriously. They’ve been laughing/joking around and don’t even pay attention during the huddles, etc.

I’m not trying to bash the Knicks, but they’re a joke.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Well damn, they sure did look like they were taking yesterdays game seriously(especially Harrington). Gallinari and Harrington mostly, sure they put up #’s, but they also played with intensity, mainly after they were rejuvinated with the comeback.

[JNixonParticipant]

It’s because Iguodala is a BEAST!!! lol…but yea, they don’t defend at all. I agree, and they haven’t defended at all this year so far.

[The Big O]

what were Iguodala’s stats?

[The Big O]

what were Iguodala’s stats?

[JNixonParticipant]

32 pts, 11 rebs, 8 asts.

[The Big O]

triple double eludes him again…wish the Hawks had him in 2004…JOSH CHILDRESS??

[JNixonParticipant]

Yea. Tell me about it. I’d go to every single home game if he played in Atlanta.

[The Big O]

u know maybe its a good thing cuz somehow they still got Josh smith at 17,
maybe they could have gotten both u never know

[quincey hodges]

lol..the lakers are my team not the nets buddy..i already said the nets arent that good..the difference between the 2 is the nets have a brighter future…if the nets played defense as bad as the knicks id talk about them too…i know the truth hurts

[quincey hodges]

and they do take offense seriously it seems

[rtbtParticipant]

In addition to their porous defense, the Knicks rebounding was horrendous. Philly out rebounded them 49 to 31. Of course part of that was the fact that Philly couldn’t miss. However, when they did, they simply grabbed the rebound and put it back in. Part of the reason for that failure was David Lee’s foul troubles, as he missed a significant part of the game. Nonetheless, a serious lack of rebounding and defense is a formula for failure.

Although the Knick defense and rebounding were atrocious, let me add that Philly players were unconscious. Philly shot 61% from the field and 87% from the foul line. I watched the game and couldn’t believe it, everything they threw up went in.

[wenichParticipant]

llperez22 said it perfectly…….It is really a shame to live in New York and have to have this team on TV for 82 games. The worst part is that as long as this idiot is coaching this team nothing is going to change no matter what players they bring in. Sure players will want to play this style that is easy and will totally inflate your stats by at least 1/3 but as someone who would like to watch basketball in the winter this style is just atrocious. I would have more optimism if Isiah was even still around, and that is the real fucking shame of the whole thing because this fool obviously has at least 3 more years grace period and we will still be in this same situation when they finally realize to get rid of him………..Can’t wait for College ball to start!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quincey hodges]

thats what happens against bad defensive teams..you tend to score more and shoot better…theres a way for the knicks to not get bashed as much….win games and play defense..its like bashing a guy who keeps getting knocked out in ufc because he fights with his hands by his side…stop getting knocked out and put youre guard up and youll stop getting bashed. also you didnt see me saying stop pumping the knicks up and saying they are gonna get lebron or thi or that free agent when all summer every other post was “knicks getting lebron,knicks gonna be a playoff team next year with 2 great free agents, knicks a better team then the cavs so lebron is gonna come, knicks have better appeal off the court” if you gonna accept the praising post when you think they are gonna get a free agent or be good then accept the bad ones when they are playing bad

[The Big O]

“no rebounds, no rings”
-pat riley

[FT33Participant]

If they don’t change there ways, I think that I can say with confidence that LBJ is not going to NYK.

[rtbtParticipant]

It sounds as if everyone agrees, you can’t win unless you rebound.

Wenich, I understand your frustration but to think you would rather have Isiah back is insane. Under Isiah Thomas the Knicks went into a free all. They totally disintegrated as a franchise and as a team, there was no hope for any type of future. Anyone who replaced him had a long term project on their hands and a major challenge.

D’Antoni stepped into that void and at least the Knicks can make things exciting. As bad as they were on defense and on the boards, let’s not forgot they took both teams to overtime the last two nights. With all of their faults, they never gave up and fought back two nights in a row against huge leads when most teams would pack it in.

You can criticize D’Antoni all you want, but please do not ask for the return of Isiah Thomas!

[quincey hodges]

yeah but how long do you wanna be saying “they fought and took teams to overtime but still lost” the bad thing is it wasnt against a orlando or boston,even miami, it was against the bobcats and sixers

[The Big O]

not in the lottery neither

[quincey hodges]

yeah zeke wasnt the best at not overpaying for talent but what was the knick record with isah there?..i dont remeber but i think they made the playoff a year or 2. and one thing i can say about zeke is he does know talent..it remains to be seen if d’antoni can put up a better record then zeke with the knicks so i cant say hes a better fit yet..cant say hes worst either since its only his second year

[rtbtParticipant]

Quincey, I’m not trying to defend the status of the Knicks, but merely pointing out it could be much worse as it was with Isiah. Back then you knew the game was over before it started. Fighting back from big leads is hardly a major goal, but it’s far better than giving up and not even putting up a fight.

In addition, we’re only in the first week of the season, so there’s a long way to go. Yes the Knicks are dismal on defense and the boards so far, but let’s give them a little more time.

[rtbtParticipant]

I’m not defending D’Antoni, just saying we should give him a little more than 4 games to prove he belongs in NY or if he’s a failure. However, any objective person would agree that over 4 years, Isiah Thomas proved many times over that he was a big time failure.

[quincey hodges]

oh im not saying he should be fired but im not gonna say hes better yet either…and i was wrong zeke idnt lead them to the playoffs he was the president not the coach that year…isahs first year taking over a bad team he won 32 games..second year won 23…d’antoni won 3 games his first year so if he doent get to 23 wins this year then i cant say he doing better then zeke because so far he isnt

[quincey hodges]

so does he get fired if they lose less games then last year or if he wins less then 23 games just like zeke after 2 years? .

[llperez]

I don’t like D’Antoni, but Zeke was garbage as a gm. Worst I had ever seen. It’s one thing to make moves that look bad in hindsight or to struggle because your owner doesn’t want to spend money. But Zeke was given a blank check to spend as he wished regardless of the slary cap and he made moves that were head scratching from the second he made them. The worst. Knicks can only get better with him gone.

[rtbtParticipant]

First, let’s talk apples and oranges. Isiah Thomas was both GM and coach and he literally destroyed the organization. The Knicks were the laughing stock of the league on and off the court. He proved many times over that he doesn’t belong in management.

Second, Isiah was given 4 years to turn it around.

D’Antoni has NOT impressed me as the Knicks coach, but after walking into a situation where the entire organization was dysfunctional, I’m trying to give him a little breathing room. D’Antoni did a great job in Phoenix, so the man’s already proven he can coach.

Quincey, I can’t give you a specific number other than to say that making a full scale judgment after only 4 games is unfair and something you wouldn’t want if you were his place.

[quincey hodges]

zeke was the coach for 2 years so i was just going by the coaching part which he was fired from..im not saying fire d’antoni but at the same time you have to look at both records after 2 years(so after this year)..people forget when zeke came to the knicks they were also bad so its not like he was walking into a good situation..before him larry brown was there and they were still bad…zeke was still bad but he was given 2 years to turn the team around as a coach

[llperez]

quincey, one thing you have to also take into consideration though is that under isiah the knicks were spending money on veterans and trying to win now. With D’Antoni, they are saving their money for next summer and building more towards the future. That means he should have a little more leeway in terms of wins and losses right now as the coach.

[NYK2010Participant]

Especially with a young team, one of his moves getting Gallo seems to be paying off.
Philly did hit crazy shots with Knicks all over them esp. early. Its the 3 pt shot missed that get the other teams transition going. Once they cut down on 3’s the transition baskets stopped, also they were playing back to back OT games in the 1st week of the season. D’antoni’s style doesn’t help the defense but the Knicks didn’t play that fast anyway. They just put up crazy shots, in Phoenix you had guys like Marion and Amare great athletes that could block shot at least. Duhon was getting killed by Williams and D’antoni doesn’t put Douglas who’s supposed to be a pg who can play defense. Give them a chance esp. since he’s already said Hill isn’t in the regular rotation.

Isiah was a joke he gave up so many picks and youth in guys like Ariza, Frye for terrible contracts on overrated guys and he blew mid level money on Jerome James & Jeffries. Definately setting the franchise back 5 years, if Knicks had their 1st rounder next year and no Jeffries & Curry’s contract on the cap next year how good would this team be. Rather suffer through 2 years of losing when it means the team will be on track for the future. Now looks like Walsh might have to give up some future picks or Chandler to land a real pg.

[quincey hodges]

i agree he was a horrible gm but im also not gonna say d’antoni is doing a better job untill after this year if he has more wins then last year and more then 23 wins..because int he end thats the column that matters the most

[bkballerParticipant]

A free agent is going to come and with gallo starting to shake his “bust” label one can argue that the knicks have better young talent than the nets. Harris is always injured and so far has not looked like a leaer, take out the minny game from lopez cuz he feasted on holins and his next two game sare below average, lee looks awful out there and it might just be that he is actually not suited to be a leader (scored 17 but had like 8 on 2-8 through 3 quarters), CDR is a very inconsistent slasher with a weird game and yi just stinks.

[llperez]

yi doesn’t stink. He is starting to show signs of why he was a lottery pick. If he stinks, then the entire Knicks roster pretty much stinks.

[The Big O]

bkballer is really donnie walsh

[quincey hodges]

lol.riiiiight harris has a all star apperance lat year under his belt..i cant say the same for anyone of the knicks..they also are gonna bring in a free agent next year (yeah they got some mula also)..if we wanna get into comparing the teams players..i dont see people gushing over any knicks players..jut face the facts yall stink and arent headed in a better directiong then the nets..they have younger better players right now and a allstar..yall have ..worst players whos stats are inflated because of the offense that is ran..even though im not a nets fan and never said they were gonna be good i guess ill be the one to defend them..in consistant cdr as you call him is putting up the same numbers as wilson chandler(guess hes just as inconsitant then huh..you talk about lopez numbers then you must also take away dinos in the game he scored 22..i watched that one..he had 6 while the game was really a game then when it was out of reach and the bench players came in he scored his points..lee is good and putting up 16-10..lopez only in his second year is putting in 17 and 7..hmmmm..and dont even mention someone being hurt..when dino played in a total of 28 games all of last year..for a injury that doesnt really get better for long(yeah back injuries are very serious)..yi isnt a all star but 11 and 7 isnt bad for a young player at all…both teams right now arent good ..or to take it a step further both teams stink..the lakeshow is good though and going for back to back titles so im happy

[quincey hodges]

hey how that jordan hill lotto pick working out by the way….that twill pick seems to be working pretty well

[llperez]

the Nets have two YOUNG all-star caliber players in Brook and Harris. They have MORE salary cap space this ummer then the Knicks do. They, unlike the Knicks, have lottery pick coming to them next summer. And Yi is putting up 12 and 8 right now, wouldn’t write him off as stinks. they also have some young athletic wings in Lee and TWill. No real bad contracts or past their prime veterans taking up key spots in the rotation. The Nets are in a better position right now then the knicks no question.

[llperez]

also, the nets have more salary cap space while still having all their key players like Harris, Lopez, TWill, Lee, and Yi locked up. For the knicks to have space, they have to let key guys like Nate and Lee go.

[wenichParticipant]

No matter what the Knicks do D’antoni job is in no jeopardy, it is understood that they have no talent and are just playing out this year to get to the summer of 2010. So even if they win 15 games he will still be there. My only point is that beause of him no matter who they get this summer they will always be an underachieving team because of the style of basketball that he will continue to implement. So I am not looking at this as he has “only coached 4 games this season, give him a chance”. I personally don’t consider the way he has this team playing being watchable basketball. I don’t care if they win or lose I would just like to see a team on the court that plays the right way and is just watchable at this point.

[The Big O]

You look at today, it’s a different situation. You have a game that has been transformed into a game where almost every shot is either an outside shot – a three-point shot – or a dunk
I don’t think that players learn how to play any other aspect of the game in high school or college.
Quotation of Oscar Robertson
I think no one has written a history of the great coaches who were around 30 to 40 years ago who taught the fundamentals.
Quotation of Oscar Robertson

I was taught to play that way when I was in high school and even before I got to high school.
Quotation of Oscar Robertson

[The Big O]

It’s like all guys want to do is make a dunk, grab their shirt and yell out and scream – they could be down 30 points but that’s what they do. Okay, so you made a dunk. Get back down the floor on defense!
Quotation of Oscar Robertson

[llperez]

big o, i’m not one who calls you out for your random comments normally, but what the hell does anything you just said have to do with this discussion?

[The Big O]

The players have no real self-esteem when it comes to putting the best image out there in a real competitive fashion.
that’s what I’m saying

[bkballerParticipant]

nets play in NEW JERSEY… no star is coming there sorry. I don’t want to hear that brooklyn bs until i see the arena, and plus most of you fail to realize that brooklyn is no manhattan, not even close. If they ever do move into the boroughs they will be a second rate team sort of like the mets, jets or islanders. while this arena is getting build by 2012 knicks will have already shed themselves of the larrys, eddies and jareds and be in position to remain the “yankees” of the area. This is what people fail to realize, knicks have a much bigger fan base and while the nets are trying to come in and take over new york knicks are cleaning their shit up and will also only have young players. im sorry young players and manhattan and the history >>>> young players and the swamp with the possibility of moving to brooklyn.
Gallo played a lot of minutes for the first time in his career and put up 30 against a very physical and athletic team. The big city is going to attract at least one free agent and gallo will be the perfect sidekick. As for Hill, he was considered a top 6 pick for a reason by scouts, give the man some time just because he is not ready now doesnt mean he wont be soon. TWILL is looking amazing shooting a marvelous 35% from the field. consider hill as the make up for knicks next years pick he is going to get more minutes next year and i see him being a very good player for a man his size and athleticism. Gallo, Hill, TD, Chandler, harrington coming for a reduced price cuz he loves NY, and Lee and/or Nate plus one star is going to be a very dangerous team. Then eddy comes off in 2011 opening the doors for a homecoming by melo. You are telling me if Melo and amare come within the next 2 years with great young sidekicks like gallo, hill, and wilson this team wont be an automatic championship contender you are crazy. fast forward to 2012 nets finally arrive in brooklyn with their “young talent” looking as irrelevant as they always have in the tri-state area.

[The Big O]

Melo and amare huh? i’m assuming gallinari/hill/harrington will play the role of defensive specialist LMAO

[bkballerParticipant]

melo and amare are hypotheticals. its just one of the many combinations that are possible. I am actually one of the people who believe lebron wont come but within the next two years everyone sane has to admit the knicks will sign at least one star. and yes while i know now they are not a good team by any means the young players they have will be great sidekicks. I dont think gallo will ever be a first option but with that shot he will be an amazing number 2 one day when that star spaces the floor for him. I am hoping our pg of the future will be douglas who is known for his defense and hopefully he can be our derek fisher with slightly better defense one day. thats the problem with the nets tho after all the lawsuits and the time it takes to build everything the knicks will shed all the bad contracts and get someone. and in 2011 the knicks will have money once again, where do you think the star goes that year? a team with one star and good role players in NYC or a cast of good young players in NJ with a stadium on the way in brooklyn.

[JNixonParticipant]

I have never seen a team try to build around players that aren’t their the way the Knicks are trying to. It’s stupid.

[The Big O]

Lebron is the ULTIMATE glue guy

I can tell u from extensively researching the free agent class of 2010 (for my own personal reasons lol)
all “hypotheticals” don’t really “fit” in new york as Lebron is the only defensive specialist that can play the 1-2-3

he is the only one who can play in the backcourt and facillitate someone like a gallinari

Douglas
Melo
Gallinari
Hill
Amare

c what I’m saying, all offense no defense everyone on the Knicks roster is a 3 or a 4
now compare to

Douglas
Lebron (defense/pass/slash)
Gallinari (super sidekick??)
Hill
Pryzbilla lol

Knicks have talent it just that if they don’t get Lebron they won’t get too many stops
plus I don’t see Douglas
as the second coming of Steve Nash/Jason Kidd

D’antoni’s system needs a PG/focal point/creator

its Lebron or bust impo

[The Big O]

Douglas
Melo
Gallinari
Hill
Amare

no defense gamechangers, all offense

[bkballerParticipant]

noone is building around anyone. They are developing their young players with eyes out on the future. Never has any knick official said they count on a certain player coming or played favorites, thats the media. THERE ARE TWO WAYS TEAMS GET BETTER FREE AGENCY OR THE DRAFT. its not uncommon to look to free agency to improve. as a matter of fact how is that different from what the nets are doing. The single fact that you guys like their young players more doesnt erase the fact that they are doing EXACTLY the same thing trading away players like carter and jefferson FOR ONE REASON, as well as leaving their state and moving to NY for THAT SAME reason. The move to new york is motivated behind the fact that it is better for free agents. people love to bash the knicks and put them under a microscope but what they are doing is smart. With the mess acquired by donnie leaving us with no picks they have to go with option two of the two ways to get good, free agency.

[quincey hodges]

lol..yall have all that and yet ya’ll still stink..what doe that say about the knicks..great location yet what allstar free agent have ya’ll picked up in the past couple years?…sorry but in the nba money is a real big deal even if you are not in the best market..seesions went to minny instead of ny..you seem to not understand that a player will go to nj for the money..look at california..you dont see the clippers, king racking up the free agents do you…detroit isnt better then l.a yet they signed too good players…why…MONEY…so youre theory is seriously flawed..and since new jersey isnt that good they are gonna get a very very good player in next years draft….hmmmmm..all facts point to the nets having a much better out look then the knicks..ya’ll are resting all youre hopes on getting a free agent…the nets dont have to get one but will any well as well as a good draft pick…and how are u gonna talk down on twill when but then say..”GIVE HILL TIME”..that makes no sense..t.will isnt shooting great but he is doing something hill isnt…contributing…and way to spin the bleak out look “hill is gonn abe like getting a draft pick next year”..lol..classic..do you know whats better?..the nets has a good rookie now who contributes and get another one next year..im pretty sure the knicks would love to have that instead….aand who care if the knicks have a bigger fan base..they till stink…better fan base, better night life but still just as bad

[quincey hodges]

FROM KNICKSBLOG.COM..

The shrewedest move of the offseason may have been the Nets shedding Vince Carter’s contract. As the team looks forward to the 2010 free agency period, they may be more attractive than the Knicks.

Or so says Fred Kerber:

“…The Knicks have appeal, especially with the whole New York package, Wade claimed. But don’t discount the Nets — at least for other free agents.

“It’s a good organization,” Wade said of New Jersey. “It’s a class organization and when the time is right, they’re going to go get the players they need to get. I think people around the league see that. They’ve had success, especially when J. Kidd was here . . . so everyone knows this organization has the want to be great. It’s just about if they get the players. They’ve got some now. Devin Harris is a great, great star. He’s a centerpiece.”

There’s a problem for the Knicks: the roster. Both the Nets and Knicks will have $20-plus million to spend. But the Nets have Harris, Brook Lopez and Courtney Lee, all young studs, already in place.

“Guys know they (Nets) will be in the mix because they’re setting themselves up to be there,” Wade said. “It’s not a bad city. There’s going to be some chatter about the Nets when they come around. I know the main chatter right now is about the other side, New York, but I’m sure the Nets are going to get some love as well…”

It’s hard not to like Rod Thorn, the guy can build on the fly. But my moles are telling me, which Kerber recently reported, that Bruce Ratner is actively looking to sell the team. Ratner got caught up in the idea of taking advantage of the lack of Knicks success thinking he could pull fans to Brooklyn and enlisted the help of Jay-Z. If Ratner does sell, one has to wonder what will come of the Jigga-man.

Harris may have the best contract in basketball and the team does have an option on Yi (sayonara!) so they are primed to get in an even better cap situation.

But, again, the Knicks have some pieces too. They don’t have Harris, but if they add Sessions they would have a competitive core.

[rtbtParticipant]

Wenich wrote, “I personally don’t consider the way he has this team playing being watchable basketball. I don’t care if they win or lose I would just like to see a team on the court that plays the right way and is just watchable at this point.”

Hey Wenich, that’s a critique I can buy. The big problem I had with your other post was the referral to Isiah who put the Knicks in this horrible position.

[bkballerParticipant]

Alright im going to start with the flaws in your comment…
A) Knicks havent signed a free agent in years because they havent had cap space since 1996 when they signed some of the most coveted free agents that year…enough said.
B) sessions went to minny because the offer was never made to sessions by new york. His agent repeatedly said that they were waiting for an offer and hoped to get something done. When the offer never came he signed elsewhere. donnie stated that he considered long and hard to make and offer and decided against it.
C) I only talked down twill because of the fact that you asked how hill is working out for us. Personally i dont see shooting like that as a crazy contribution but for now you still have to have hill higher than twill for the simple fact he was rated much higher and its been 3 games and twill hasnt exactly been that impressive, he has been fine and will be a good player but didnt do anything to make him jump up spots from where he was picked.
D) The fanbase means a lot when a free agent is choosing a destination.

As for the line up with melo and amare you can’t tell me that the team will not win 50+ games. there may still be soem flaws but thats why theres such a thing as a general manager its up to him to make the right signings and fit everything. Who knows maybe by then they will trade gallo for a good defensive point guard. the point is there are going to be a lot of options for the knicks in the next 2 years and if they are smart about it and make the right moves by the time the nets are ready to put that BK on their jersey the knicks will be championship contenders.

[bkballerParticipant]

And just because wade said some nice thing about the nets while he was being polite while playing against new jersey doesnt mean hes drooling to come there. He also is quoted saying that same nonsense about the knicks what do you expect him to say.

[bkballerParticipant]

The knicks have also not been as awful as their record. The lost against the bobcats in double OT to a BS call that was actually not a foul. And lost in overtime the other night. A shot or two and they are 2-1 right now.

[The Big O]

the team was already sold to Pokhorov it was all in the news lmao
6’6 Russian partyboy multimillionaire, nba is going international

it was so controversial a congressman complained to stern in a letter, but he called him daniel stern lol

[quincey hodges]

and there lies the problem…if..i can say if the nest had amare and melo they would win 50…but we live in the reality so lets stick to that. when the knicks had money they didnt pick up any build around free agents..and what free agent i gonna wanna play for the knicks with the way they have been playing knowing that there style doesnt win games?…you dont think other nba players are watching how the knicks are doing?..yea someone will sign but if youre dwade or lebron or bosh or amare and you know there are a couple teams who can afford you and you are concerned about winning then why go to the knicks and take a step back knowing they are no where near good enough now or anytime soon to compete for a title?

[The Big O]

The knicks have also not been as awful as their record
They lost against the bobcats ’nuff said

[bkballerParticipant]

if the nets “young talent” is soo muchhh better and lightyears ahead of the knicks why are they also losing by double digits and cant even beat a miserable team in minnesota who was missing like half their team? clearly their roster is not as great as people here make it out to be otherwise they would win games. And in the end since both teams are losing i would rather be located in the heart of one of the best cities in the world.

[The Big O]

lebron james can go anywhere he wants, no one knows what he’s thinking

[bkballerParticipant]

Phoenix was insanely competitve in one of the toughest conferences the nba has ever seen and should have won that year agaisnt the spurs and went to the finals had nash and half the team been suspended. If d antoni is handed the right players his system works, he just currently has a lot of boneheads. Plus he is loved by almost every player, who the hell wants to play for frank if we are bringing coaches and systems into this.

[quincey hodges]

umm because there team is not good right now..duh….young talent plays better when they develop…that why there group of players have a better future then the knicks group of players…..no one said they are great no ..it the future people are talking about with out having to mention if we get this or that free agent…if if if..people need to get off the if someone hit this shot or if thi guy didnt get hurt ..the fact of the matter i that they did

[bkballerParticipant]

im pretty sure d antoni was next in line for coach of team usa and was an assistant on a gold medal team. what has lawrence frank done? you can’t be serious telling me players would rather play for him than mike. looks up the suns of a few years back and tell me you cant win with that style. Had the suns been in the east those years they would made the finals 3-4 years in a row.

[The Big O]

what free agent is gonna wanna play for the knicks with the way they have been playing knowing that there style doesnt win games?

couldn’t have said it better myself lol

[quincey hodges]

i could say if ariza and bynum wasnt hurt the lakers would have won the title but the fact is they were hurt so i accept the lost and dont say “well if this or if that”

[bkballerParticipant]

you mean IF lopez becomes a dominant center, IF CDR can score in the regular season, IF lee is actually a leader or just the 5th man scoring 8 ppg, IF harris can stay healthy, IF Yi is not the soft 27 year old bust that he might be, IF the nets move to bk…cmon who are you kidding developing any team is all about IFs. You keep contradicting yourself man, there is no IF about the knicks signing someone, there is an IF if that player will fit in and take them to the next level, but thats what makes the nba fun, the IFs.

[bkballerParticipant]

knicks have the same young ifs, gallo, chandler, hill, TD. When that young talent wins games then you can promise me they will be better than the knicks young players. Your biggest case, lopez, is being outplayed by the guy drafted before him so far in gallo, who is to say that trend wont continue?

[bkballerParticipant]

case closed nets are banking on the same thing..free agency so fuck that knick bashing for trying that and nets praising for THE SAME DAMN PLAN.

[The Big O]

new jersey has 2 first round draft picks

[bkballerParticipant]

If their young players are soo much better it is due to luck. They were dumping contracts like the knicks were to get free agents. Struck gold with harris because cuban is stubborn but the real reason that trade was made was to clear money. Apparently Lee is a stud now but u guys forget he was part of a salary dump as well….umm carter anyone. How about the crazy potential and great Yi, pretty sure he was part of a salary dump involving a player by the name of richard jefferson. Their other three young talents are from the draft and the verdict is still out on them. Not sure if hill douglas gallo is much worse than brook twill cdr.
And when the knicks make a few trades to clear space as well they are suddenly putting all their eggs in one basket for lebron…thats BS

[quincey hodges]

lopez is already a very good center..he doesnt need to become dominate..WHEN he gets better(and hes already shown the improvement from year one)..and harris has already shown that he IS A allstar..you can tell by watching a player if its gonna be a if or when..lopez is a when..chandler for the knicks is a when,gallanari is a when twill is a when cdr when..hill is a if..and you took the meanin gof ifs out of context..if as far as developing is different then if about someone getting ejected because there is no going back in time so you will never know….wit young players theres still a future..you under the if thing now?…basically dont live in the pass with if this would have happened then thi team would have made it or won it

[quincey hodges]

nets dont need to sign a big name free agent for them to get better so no they arent bankin gon a free agent like the knicks are..the knicks NEED a free agent to get better..everything they do is based on getting a free agent..see the difference

[bkballerParticipant]

u make no sense, how is if a free agent comes and if lee is actually a star when he hasnt shown anything near to that used in a different context.

[The Big O]

I watched Orlando vs Cleveland with my college roomates last year
one of which was diehard Cavs fan roomate from Ohio (crushed his heart lol)
Lebron James said himself that Courtney Lee has the TOOLS to be a great player in this league

Plus I’m pretty sure Lebron knows a star when he sees one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwf9uj8d0I

[quincey hodges]

nets can rebuild by what they have now and there draft picks for next year…knicks cant win with the team they have now..actually they need a free agent then any other team in the nba

[quincey hodges]

who said lee is a star?…anyway how about this…if you are a nets fan youre team stinks..if you are a knicks fan youre team stinks:)..2 teams that stink

[bkballerParticipant]

whos to say the nets players havent reached their ceiling. Who on that team is guaranteed to get better???
Knicks i feel have more players that might get better than the nets. Lopez is much closer to his potential than gallo since he has a whole season under his belt. Plus the knicks have decent veterans in nate lee harrington etc, while the nets have only harris. I dont see the nets team as constructed if they dont sign anyone eveyr being successful thats a load of baised bs

[quincey hodges]

both teams stink…hows that for a case closed

[bkballerParticipant]

the both teams stink thing is what i was going for i just feel knicks get shit always while other teams get praised for the same thing. i never said the knicks are better than the nets, just the nets arent better than the knicks. Both teams in the same position, but when it comes to the question of free agency i gotta go with the knicks.

[quincey hodges]

of course a knicks fan will say the knicks..thats how its suppossed to be..im not a fan of either so with my unbiased opinion id have to pick the nets..if they had a different coach that isnt just about run and gun then maybe id pick the knicks because that would make the chances of winning better but now and if im a young player id look at the nets ..see the peices they have in allstar talent pg and center (2 most important positions unless you have superstars) and a young do it all player who will be a lock down defender in twill then i gotta go with the nets…i look at the knicks lik ethis in all honesty…chandler is pretty good gallanari has gotten better..david lee is a good player that could be a nice 3rd fouth option on a good team…duhon is a back up..nate is too selfish and just looks to core even when it doent help the team..harrington is not that bad but by the time the young talent develops he on the decline..curry is over weight..jefferes just doent matter….d’antonis way can work for certain teams with alot of talent…the knicks arent one of them

[bkballerParticipant]

he is definitely showing that in new jersey. pretty sure ryan anderson is killing it in orlando, maybe its the fact that whoever plays in an unbelievably stacked team like that looks better than they are

[The Big O]

nets have a better future impo, of course 2 draft picks in the first round
and young players that ACTUALLY play are kind of tradeable

the nets and knicks have the same plan…but devin harris/courtney lee/terrence williams/brook lopez
are thought highly of

and the 2010/2011 free agent class isn’t exactly filled with game changing big men

if Lebron lands in the East and screws NYK/NJN all I have to say is look out NY

New Jersey…meh Harris isn’t playing right now so I’ll give them a bit of a pass b4 I say they REALLY suck

I just don’t see Lebron rebuilding in New York, the key word being REBUILDING

[quincey hodges]

i cant take full stock when one player says thing like that about another player either…jordan said kwame was gonna be a beast..joe dumars said darko would be a beast also. and yeah thats a good point players can look good on stacked teams since the other team has to worry about everyone

[quincey hodges]

wow i didnt know the nets had 2 first round picks and a second round pick

[bkballerParticipant]

all im saying is the two teams are pretty much in the same position.
gallo – lopez personally i think the verdict is still out, i know everyone will hate me for this but i still draft gallo over lopez in the redraft
chandler – lee ill give a slight edge to chandler for now but its close
hill – twill still have to give a slight edge to hill since he was regarded much higher and its only been 3 games
douglas – cdr – slight edge to cdr, i do think douglas will be special, both were drafted late and were steals
darko – yi – advantage yi, but im not a big fan of yi, at least darko can play some defense
combination of nate,lee,harrington – harris – harris is the star of the 4 so advantage nets but the depth is better for the knicks perspective.
nets have 2 draft picks – knicks more attractive in FA

both traded their best players for cap space in hopes of landing a big fish
both 0-3 losing by double digits.

sounds pretty similar to me

[The Big O]

wow i didnt know the nets had 2 first round picks and a second round pick

i didn’t know they had a second round pick, New York New York big city of DREAMS

[marcusfizer21Participant]

The more the Knicks lose, the more Jazz fans get excited because of the lottery chances… Wow! Imagine them drafting Derrick Favors. SCARY!

Sigh! I miss those Ewing era where they would throw down any player that goes on an easy lay-up… Imagine if they were up today, Thaddeus Young, Lou Williams, Sam Dalembert would be getting a beating from Starks, X, Ewing and Oakley… LOL

[The Big O]

Ewing era yikes! psych i aint scared of no Charles Oakley lol

those days were VERY underrated in terms of physicality

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