[DukeBlue22Participant]

 Knicks really need to make a splash in this year’s draft. They have lacked a PG for years. So if presented with the opportunity at 4 if Porzingis is there do you take him or Mudiay or Russell to lock down that PG spot..

Rumors have the Knicks trading Hardaway Jr. for Brandon Jennings, but I do not think that is a good choice considering he can’t stay healthy.

 

Who do you think the Knicks select?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[shootingstar11Participant]

 I would take Mudiay in a heart beat, i may even take Mudiay ahead of Russel because he’s probably a better prospect in pro.  Unforuntately, i do not make the call for the Knicks…

I am pretty sure it’s a 3-man race between Mudiay / Winslow and Porzingis right now…and i hope phil does the right thing by drafting Mudiay.  Knicks desparately need someone who can attack the rim and create easy scoring opportunities for other guys…. 

 

[shootingstar11Participant]

 I would take Mudiay in a heart beat, i may even take Mudiay ahead of Russel because he’s probably a better prospect in pro.  Unforuntately, i do not make the call for the Knicks…

I am pretty sure it’s a 3-man race between Mudiay / Winslow and Porzingis right now…and i hope phil does the right thing by drafting Mudiay.  Knicks desparately need someone who can attack the rim and create easy scoring opportunities for other guys…. 

 

[DukeBlue22Participant]

It is a 3-man race. Porzingis has a lot of upside, but can the Knicks afford to take someone like that. If he fails the Knicks will be set back another few years. Mudiay is explosive and has upside and from what I hear is very strong. Winslow as a Duke fan is good, but doesn’t create his own shot. He was 2-17 in pull up jumpers last year I believe. He can get to the rim though, but he needs a PG that can get him there. 

[DukeBlue22Participant]

It is a 3-man race. Porzingis has a lot of upside, but can the Knicks afford to take someone like that. If he fails the Knicks will be set back another few years. Mudiay is explosive and has upside and from what I hear is very strong. Winslow as a Duke fan is good, but doesn’t create his own shot. He was 2-17 in pull up jumpers last year I believe. He can get to the rim though, but he needs a PG that can get him there. 

[Captain LParticipant]

 If it were me I would take Porzingis, unbelievable talent, almost 7’3 , long , athletic, & skilled, I don’t think he will be a bust, he loves the game and working at it, but if any team could recover from him busting it would be NY or the Lakers, so I’d shoot for the player with the biggest upside and that is Porzingis. Especially getting him at 4.

[Captain LParticipant]

 If it were me I would take Porzingis, unbelievable talent, almost 7’3 , long , athletic, & skilled, I don’t think he will be a bust, he loves the game and working at it, but if any team could recover from him busting it would be NY or the Lakers, so I’d shoot for the player with the biggest upside and that is Porzingis. Especially getting him at 4.

[NardDog NationParticipant]

 The Knicks don’t have a 2016 pick, have no assets beyond Melo and haven’t been good for nearly two decades. Recovering well, doesn’t seem to be a skill of that franchise.

[NardDog NationParticipant]

 The Knicks don’t have a 2016 pick, have no assets beyond Melo and haven’t been good for nearly two decades. Recovering well, doesn’t seem to be a skill of that franchise.

[shootingstar11Participant]

thats why Phil Jackson has to make it count w/ his #4 pick.

It doesnt make sense to trade #4 pick for a bunch of late 1st rounder or 2nd rounders…. volume <> value!

Stick w/ #4 pick, draft Mudiay, and spend wisely in FA is the first step to rebuild / recover.

 

  

[shootingstar11Participant]

thats why Phil Jackson has to make it count w/ his #4 pick.

It doesnt make sense to trade #4 pick for a bunch of late 1st rounder or 2nd rounders…. volume <> value!

Stick w/ #4 pick, draft Mudiay, and spend wisely in FA is the first step to rebuild / recover.

 

  

[DukeBlue22Participant]

 Comparison is Wall, but I also see a little Dennis Schroder from Atlanta. Very quick good passer and shooting will be a work in progress. He will be very hard to cover. Knicks can’t afford to take that risk especially with all the pressure on Phil in the front office. Mudiay will be the first piece before they start bringing in Free Agents. 

 

 

 

[DukeBlue22Participant]

 Comparison is Wall, but I also see a little Dennis Schroder from Atlanta. Very quick good passer and shooting will be a work in progress. He will be very hard to cover. Knicks can’t afford to take that risk especially with all the pressure on Phil in the front office. Mudiay will be the first piece before they start bringing in Free Agents. 

 

 

 

[NardDog NationParticipant]

The triangle de-emphasizes the use of a floor general and instead shifts those responsibilities to all 5 men on the court. That puts a much higher premium on a PG who can move without the ball, shoot and defend his position (e.g. Ron Harper, Derek Fisher, Brian Shaw, etc.). Unfortunately for the Knicks, Mudiay is none of those things (aside from being a defender) and would only be marginalized as a player as Gary Payton was for the Lakers.

That doesn’t change the fact that Mudiay is the best player at 4 and that the Knicks should take him with the intention of trading down for the best package available. I would describe the "best package" as a deal that would best yield some combination of later draft picks, a starter and/or a trade exception in exchange for Jose  Calderon’s contract. I think that Denver could accomplish that by moving their 7th pick, Gary Harris and a $7 million trade exception for the 4th pick, Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.

 

[NardDog NationParticipant]

The triangle de-emphasizes the use of a floor general and instead shifts those responsibilities to all 5 men on the court. That puts a much higher premium on a PG who can move without the ball, shoot and defend his position (e.g. Ron Harper, Derek Fisher, Brian Shaw, etc.). Unfortunately for the Knicks, Mudiay is none of those things (aside from being a defender) and would only be marginalized as a player as Gary Payton was for the Lakers.

That doesn’t change the fact that Mudiay is the best player at 4 and that the Knicks should take him with the intention of trading down for the best package available. I would describe the "best package" as a deal that would best yield some combination of later draft picks, a starter and/or a trade exception in exchange for Jose  Calderon’s contract. I think that Denver could accomplish that by moving their 7th pick, Gary Harris and a $7 million trade exception for the 4th pick, Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.

 

[Bed HeadParticipant]

And in a vacuum, he’d be my pick. However, those of us who live in the city know that Kristaps would be a very “tough sell” to the NY media/Knick fanbase. For a variety of reasons (some legitimate, others not so much)

There are literally people here who still bring up Maciej Lampe and Frederic Weis (the “le dunk de la mort” dude) on a semi-regular basis.

[Bed HeadParticipant]

And in a vacuum, he’d be my pick. However, those of us who live in the city know that Kristaps would be a very “tough sell” to the NY media/Knick fanbase. For a variety of reasons (some legitimate, others not so much)

There are literally people here who still bring up Maciej Lampe and Frederic Weis (the “le dunk de la mort” dude) on a semi-regular basis.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 The bigs in New York do not compliment Brandon Jennings’ style of play even in the triangle. He needs athletic bigs to run the floor with him on the break and those that are willing to go up and get the ball through halfcourt lobs.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 The bigs in New York do not compliment Brandon Jennings’ style of play even in the triangle. He needs athletic bigs to run the floor with him on the break and those that are willing to go up and get the ball through halfcourt lobs.

[NardDog NationParticipant]

 The Knicks only have 4 or 5 players, none of whom are big men. So how can you make any judgments about big men that don’t technically exist.

P.S., Brandon Jennings is a horrible fit for the triangle. The only way they acquire him is if it’s in exchange for Jose Calderon since that will give them more cap flexibility. I struggle to see why Detriot would do that though and can’t see the there being any platable scenario for it to occur.

[NardDog NationParticipant]

 The Knicks only have 4 or 5 players, none of whom are big men. So how can you make any judgments about big men that don’t technically exist.

P.S., Brandon Jennings is a horrible fit for the triangle. The only way they acquire him is if it’s in exchange for Jose Calderon since that will give them more cap flexibility. I struggle to see why Detriot would do that though and can’t see the there being any platable scenario for it to occur.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Everybody in New York should accept the Knicks won’t compete for the next couple of years. If Jackson can set up the Knicks to compete after 2017 he has done a good job. However, looking at their roster right now I only see an aging star player in Anthony, a talented wing player in Hardaway and the possibility to add someone talented with their 4th pick. That is three assets, which together with some cap space will not result in a competing team next year, or even the year after. Basically, the Knicks should live with the fact they will not compete the next two years, gather as much assets as possible and aim at 2017. 

[NardDog NationParticipant]

 That all comes down to what you define as "competing". If you’re talking the playoffs, I’d say you’re wrong. The 7th and 8th seeds in the East are routinely below .500, yet still make the playoffs. I’m sure the Knicks could field a team next year that is capable or doing that.

If by "competing" you mean "…for a title", then obviously the Knicks will never get to that point. They simply don’t have the assets and environment for that to occur. More importantly, Melo is not staying young forever.

 

[NardDog NationParticipant]

 That all comes down to what you define as "competing". If you’re talking the playoffs, I’d say you’re wrong. The 7th and 8th seeds in the East are routinely below .500, yet still make the playoffs. I’m sure the Knicks could field a team next year that is capable or doing that.

If by "competing" you mean "…for a title", then obviously the Knicks will never get to that point. They simply don’t have the assets and environment for that to occur. More importantly, Melo is not staying young forever.

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Everybody in New York should accept the Knicks won’t compete for the next couple of years. If Jackson can set up the Knicks to compete after 2017 he has done a good job. However, looking at their roster right now I only see an aging star player in Anthony, a talented wing player in Hardaway and the possibility to add someone talented with their 4th pick. That is three assets, which together with some cap space will not result in a competing team next year, or even the year after. Basically, the Knicks should live with the fact they will not compete the next two years, gather as much assets as possible and aim at 2017. 

[shootingstar11Participant]

I am sure Knicks would be competitive next season, one way or the other…

we’re looking at a very "bottom-weak" eastern conference, and Knicks have a chance to shuffle their roster completely this off season.  I do expect Knicks to compete for 6th – 8th seed next season, and I think i am not alone on this.

  

[shootingstar11Participant]

I am sure Knicks would be competitive next season, one way or the other…

we’re looking at a very "bottom-weak" eastern conference, and Knicks have a chance to shuffle their roster completely this off season.  I do expect Knicks to compete for 6th – 8th seed next season, and I think i am not alone on this.

  

[Nesto1207Participant]

 Knicks simple need talent. Jennings is in his walk year and is an upgrade regardless of chemistry. For Hardaway it is a no brainer.

[Nesto1207Participant]

 Knicks simple need talent. Jennings is in his walk year and is an upgrade regardless of chemistry. For Hardaway it is a no brainer.

[abates5Participant]

 I’m praying Russell falls but it’s unlikely. Porzingis doesn’t seem to have any major holes in his game but Europeans are historically riskier and picking him would not excite the fanbase as much as a college player. Mudiay does not fit the triangle but is a great player. Winslow is also a solid pick, not sure with the Harden comparisons but very good player, don’t know about his shooting and height to play the 3 though.

[abates5Participant]

 I’m praying Russell falls but it’s unlikely. Porzingis doesn’t seem to have any major holes in his game but Europeans are historically riskier and picking him would not excite the fanbase as much as a college player. Mudiay does not fit the triangle but is a great player. Winslow is also a solid pick, not sure with the Harden comparisons but very good player, don’t know about his shooting and height to play the 3 though.

[abates5Participant]

 I’m praying Russell falls but it’s unlikely. Porzingis doesn’t seem to have any major holes in his game but Europeans are historically riskier and picking him would not excite the fanbase as much as a college player. Mudiay does not fit the triangle but is a great player. Winslow is also a solid pick, not sure with the Harden comparisons but very good player, don’t know about his shooting and height to play the 3 though.

[abates5Participant]

 I’m praying Russell falls but it’s unlikely. Porzingis doesn’t seem to have any major holes in his game but Europeans are historically riskier and picking him would not excite the fanbase as much as a college player. Mudiay does not fit the triangle but is a great player. Winslow is also a solid pick, not sure with the Harden comparisons but very good player, don’t know about his shooting and height to play the 3 though.

[shootingstar11Participant]

My sources (work @ MSG) told me that Knicks are debating between Mudiay and Winslow… vast majority within the organization are leaning towards Mudiay.. my friend thinks Mudiay would end up be a Knicks…

[shootingstar11Participant]

My sources (work @ MSG) told me that Knicks are debating between Mudiay and Winslow… vast majority within the organization are leaning towards Mudiay.. my friend thinks Mudiay would end up be a Knicks…

[The_ReversalParticipant]

 I don’t think they can go wrong as long as they avoid Porzingis. I’m low on Porzingis, and I think New York would be a bad landing spot for him. 

Mudiay, Winslow, and Russell (especially Russell) all sound good to me. 

[The_ReversalParticipant]

 I don’t think they can go wrong as long as they avoid Porzingis. I’m low on Porzingis, and I think New York would be a bad landing spot for him. 

Mudiay, Winslow, and Russell (especially Russell) all sound good to me. 

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