[knicksfreakParticipant]

Melo looks more miserable every day. Trading him for value should be a very real possibility for the Knicks before they lose him for nothing.

There aren’t many potential suitors. Maybe the Rockets, Clippers, Mavs, Wizards, Lakers are possible.

I think the Wizards make the best trade partner. They have a playoff team that needs another piece.

Knicks get:

Ariza – expiring contract
Vesely – expiring contract
Maynor – decent backup PG, prob as good if not better than any PG on Knicks roster
Porter Jr – young prospect that hasn’t been able to show much but still has potential
Wizards 2016 first rounder
Wizards 2018 first rounder
Wizards 2014 second rounder
Pelicans 2015 second rounder

Wiz get:

Melo: maybe their missing piece and a Max player that they could not sign in free agency
Udrih: backup PG they are already supposedly interested in

[llperez]

Not bad as long as you can get melo’s word he wants to sign long term before making the trade. Would backfire big time if he just left this summer as a free agent and the wiz gave all that up for nothing.

[llperez]

Not bad as long as you can get melo’s word he wants to sign long term before making the trade. Would backfire big time if he just left this summer as a free agent and the wiz gave all that up for nothing.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Any team trading for Melo would obviously want a commitment from him past this season.

Dolan probably wont allow Melo to be traded even if it is the smartest move to do a true rebuild but this seems like one of the best plausible options.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Any team trading for Melo would obviously want a commitment from him past this season.

Dolan probably wont allow Melo to be traded even if it is the smartest move to do a true rebuild but this seems like one of the best plausible options.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Any ideas on possible suitors for Chandler?

OKC? Cleveland? New Orleans?

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Any ideas on possible suitors for Chandler?

OKC? Cleveland? New Orleans?

[bullsdynasty92Participant]

 Way too much to give up for Carmelo Anthony! What makes you think that the Wizards would give up two of their first round picks? Look at the trade the Nuggets and Knicks completed in 2010. The Nuggets currently hold the Knicks 2014 first round pick which could potentially be a top 5 selection. Now the Knicks when they made the trade certaintly didn’t think they would be in this position a few years down the road; but, they are. The Wizards also have to get a committment from Melo that he would want to stay in D.C. Lets say hypothetically that Melo comes to the Wizards, is that team enough to put them over the edge this year? I don’t think so. I don’t ever see that team beating Miami or Indiana in a 7 games series. 

If I’m the Wizards, I stay pat with my roster unless a game changing player comes along that can put me over the top. The Wizards have a good thing going right now with Wall, Beal, and Nene, and I wouldn’t want to screw that up. The Wizards have to build through the draft, or through free agency.

 

[bullsdynasty92Participant]

 Way too much to give up for Carmelo Anthony! What makes you think that the Wizards would give up two of their first round picks? Look at the trade the Nuggets and Knicks completed in 2010. The Nuggets currently hold the Knicks 2014 first round pick which could potentially be a top 5 selection. Now the Knicks when they made the trade certaintly didn’t think they would be in this position a few years down the road; but, they are. The Wizards also have to get a committment from Melo that he would want to stay in D.C. Lets say hypothetically that Melo comes to the Wizards, is that team enough to put them over the edge this year? I don’t think so. I don’t ever see that team beating Miami or Indiana in a 7 games series. 

If I’m the Wizards, I stay pat with my roster unless a game changing player comes along that can put me over the top. The Wizards have a good thing going right now with Wall, Beal, and Nene, and I wouldn’t want to screw that up. The Wizards have to build through the draft, or through free agency.

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

Bottom line: The Knicks suck, and have almost no draft picks. That’s a problem. If you can parlay crappy contracts into future assets then you jump on it. 

Here’s what I propose- http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kz7b596

Charlotte gets: Bargnani and Shumpert

Knicks get: Ben Gordon and a 2016 first round pick. 

Charlotte gets better in the short term- as they desire. Knicks turn Bargnani into hope. The trade is a stretch, but my point is that the NYC need to bank on the future. Short term success should matter ZERO PERCENT. We are big market team that will land another big fish. Losing Melo would sting, but we’ll land someone else. The last thing I want is for Dolan to sign more big contracts to keep Melo happy. F**k that. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

Bottom line: The Knicks suck, and have almost no draft picks. That’s a problem. If you can parlay crappy contracts into future assets then you jump on it. 

Here’s what I propose- http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kz7b596

Charlotte gets: Bargnani and Shumpert

Knicks get: Ben Gordon and a 2016 first round pick. 

Charlotte gets better in the short term- as they desire. Knicks turn Bargnani into hope. The trade is a stretch, but my point is that the NYC need to bank on the future. Short term success should matter ZERO PERCENT. We are big market team that will land another big fish. Losing Melo would sting, but we’ll land someone else. The last thing I want is for Dolan to sign more big contracts to keep Melo happy. F**k that. 

[knicksfreakParticipant]

bullsdynasty: How is that too much to give up for a top 10 player in his prime? Washington does not have much cap flexibility if they plan on re-signing Gortat to build through free agency.

Washington is in “no man’s land.” Their draft picks will fall between 16 and 25 for the foreseeable future. They are going to be a first round knock out in the playoffs. Melo at least helps them get to the second round and gives them a chance against the world beaters that are the Heat and Pacers.

With Melo, the Wizards are the third best team in the east with a chance to shock the heat or pacers. Without him they will be in the 5-8 seed range for the next few years.

[r377Participant]

I believe the Wizards would be much better off trading Otto Porter for a team player in Greg Monroe than trying to go after Melo. With Monroe they should be the third seed in the east…..

[r377Participant]

I believe the Wizards would be much better off trading Otto Porter for a team player in Greg Monroe than trying to go after Melo. With Monroe they should be the third seed in the east…..

[knicksfreakParticipant]

bullsdynasty: How is that too much to give up for a top 10 player in his prime? Washington does not have much cap flexibility if they plan on re-signing Gortat to build through free agency.

Washington is in “no man’s land.” Their draft picks will fall between 16 and 25 for the foreseeable future. They are going to be a first round knock out in the playoffs. Melo at least helps them get to the second round and gives them a chance against the world beaters that are the Heat and Pacers.

With Melo, the Wizards are the third best team in the east with a chance to shock the heat or pacers. Without him they will be in the 5-8 seed range for the next few years.

[r377Participant]

Hopefully GM’s have now learned that Melo really isn’t that great unless he is on your Fantasy Basketball team. Sure he can score, but he lacks teamwork, defence and leadership.

I just don’t think Melo is worth as much as some people think. He is 30 this year, unless he takes a big pay cut to go to a contender, I just can’t see him getting a 4 or 5 year max contract.

GM’s have learnt from offering big bucks to older guys. eg Joe Johnson, Amare, Brand, Arenas etc.

The Knicks have 4 cancers in Melo, Bargs, JR Smith and Amare. They pissed their own bed, now they have to lie in it for the next few seasons. No one is going to come along and rescue them……

[r377Participant]

Hopefully GM’s have now learned that Melo really isn’t that great unless he is on your Fantasy Basketball team. Sure he can score, but he lacks teamwork, defence and leadership.

I just don’t think Melo is worth as much as some people think. He is 30 this year, unless he takes a big pay cut to go to a contender, I just can’t see him getting a 4 or 5 year max contract.

GM’s have learnt from offering big bucks to older guys. eg Joe Johnson, Amare, Brand, Arenas etc.

The Knicks have 4 cancers in Melo, Bargs, JR Smith and Amare. They pissed their own bed, now they have to lie in it for the next few seasons. No one is going to come along and rescue them……

[hbomb3300Participant]

If the recent espn holds true then there is a good chance Melo will end up with the Bulls via trade or free agency.  I think they would be a solid 3rd seed in the East next year with Rose, Butler, Melo, Mirotic, and Noah starting.  Thibs is the kind of coach Melo needs if he wants to become a team player. 

[hbomb3300Participant]

If the recent espn holds true then there is a good chance Melo will end up with the Bulls via trade or free agency.  I think they would be a solid 3rd seed in the East next year with Rose, Butler, Melo, Mirotic, and Noah starting.  Thibs is the kind of coach Melo needs if he wants to become a team player. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 @knicksfreak, I don’t think you can call Melo a top ten player. Seriously, when I look at the field I just don’t think you can say that anymore. When you talk in terms of valuableness and who helps you win, just can’t be justified.

In no particular order: Lebron, Wade, Love, Durant, Westbrook, CP3, Nowitzki, D. Howard, Rose, Paul George. 

Then you have to compete with these guys: Harden, Marc Gasol, Kobe, Griffin, Hibbert, Noah, Rondo.

Not to mention that the young talent in this league is high, with a smaller price tag. (i.e Anthony Davis, Irving, E.Bled. 

Carmelo is definitely someone you want in the final seconds of a tight game. But as a full 4-quarters player, he’s a ball-stopping, non-defensive entity with quesitonable leadership abilities. I watch every Knick game, and despite his talent there are just so many other players (as I listed) that I’d rather have. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 @knicksfreak, I don’t think you can call Melo a top ten player. Seriously, when I look at the field I just don’t think you can say that anymore. When you talk in terms of valuableness and who helps you win, just can’t be justified.

In no particular order: Lebron, Wade, Love, Durant, Westbrook, CP3, Nowitzki, D. Howard, Rose, Paul George. 

Then you have to compete with these guys: Harden, Marc Gasol, Kobe, Griffin, Hibbert, Noah, Rondo.

Not to mention that the young talent in this league is high, with a smaller price tag. (i.e Anthony Davis, Irving, E.Bled. 

Carmelo is definitely someone you want in the final seconds of a tight game. But as a full 4-quarters player, he’s a ball-stopping, non-defensive entity with quesitonable leadership abilities. I watch every Knick game, and despite his talent there are just so many other players (as I listed) that I’d rather have. 

[Memphisboy14Participant]

The only guys on that list that I can say are truly better than Melo are LeBron and Durant. The only guys I think are more valuable are the two I just listed and I guess Griffin, P.G. and Anthony Davis. I’m confused at how the rest of those guys are better than that much better than Melo and I TRULY DOUBT you watch Knicks games if you still believe he’s a ball stopping player when the VAST MAJORITY OF TRUE KNICKS FANS acknowledge that he’s the only good thing on that team.

I don’t think that the majority of those guys that you just listed outside of LeBron and Durant could lift that team to at least 42 wins. You think that Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love are more valuable yet they haven’t been able to lift their own teams to the playoffs let alone winning or even 33 games in a season. Yet you’d take them and pass on a guy who’s been to the playoffs and had a winning record every single season he’s been in the NBA outside of this season. You think old and aging Kobe and Nowitzki while still very good players are not as good as they once were (I have nothing but the upmost respect for them but I have to be realistic). Kobe can’t even stay healthy right now. Rondo’s just came off of an ACL tear, he can run a team like no other but I wanna see how well he plays without 3 future HOF’s on the roster and his offense is still suspect. Derrick Rose God bless him but he can’t even stay on the court right now with all the bad luck with injuries he’s been having. Eric Bledsoe while he is having a good year is still unproven for me to even put him above Melo. Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert are good centers but that’s it they are GOOD players. James Harden is a fine player but he hasn’t had as many consistent great years for me to even consider him being better than Melo. D-Howard is considered great yet at the end of games his teams tend to give other players the ball in late shot clock situations because he still can’t create his own offense. Don’t get me wrong defense wins championships but you can’t win if you can’t score either. (i.e. Charlotte Bobcats) Paul George as God as my witness I always knew that he, John Wall and Derrick Favors were gonna be the 3 best players from that ’10 Draft Class (was wrong about Favors but he’s still a good player) but I still think he’s overrated also. He’s a beast defensively I can’t take that from him but on the same token he’s still developing offensively. Don’t get me wrong he has a bright future in this league and could he be better than Melo one day absolutely. But right now I think his offensive shortcomings are being hidden by the fact that he has such a great and deep team that he doesn’t have to be called upon as a great scorer just yet. 

People need to actually come up with real facts and stop letting their dislike of Melo ruin their ability to be subjective. Show me some actualy factual information of how he’s not a top ten player and hasn’t been one for the past 10 years and I will concede defeat. Until then I will give you a "Come On Bruh" for your empty statements.

[Memphisboy14Participant]

The only guys on that list that I can say are truly better than Melo are LeBron and Durant. The only guys I think are more valuable are the two I just listed and I guess Griffin, P.G. and Anthony Davis. I’m confused at how the rest of those guys are better than that much better than Melo and I TRULY DOUBT you watch Knicks games if you still believe he’s a ball stopping player when the VAST MAJORITY OF TRUE KNICKS FANS acknowledge that he’s the only good thing on that team.

I don’t think that the majority of those guys that you just listed outside of LeBron and Durant could lift that team to at least 42 wins. You think that Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love are more valuable yet they haven’t been able to lift their own teams to the playoffs let alone winning or even 33 games in a season. Yet you’d take them and pass on a guy who’s been to the playoffs and had a winning record every single season he’s been in the NBA outside of this season. You think old and aging Kobe and Nowitzki while still very good players are not as good as they once were (I have nothing but the upmost respect for them but I have to be realistic). Kobe can’t even stay healthy right now. Rondo’s just came off of an ACL tear, he can run a team like no other but I wanna see how well he plays without 3 future HOF’s on the roster and his offense is still suspect. Derrick Rose God bless him but he can’t even stay on the court right now with all the bad luck with injuries he’s been having. Eric Bledsoe while he is having a good year is still unproven for me to even put him above Melo. Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert are good centers but that’s it they are GOOD players. James Harden is a fine player but he hasn’t had as many consistent great years for me to even consider him being better than Melo. D-Howard is considered great yet at the end of games his teams tend to give other players the ball in late shot clock situations because he still can’t create his own offense. Don’t get me wrong defense wins championships but you can’t win if you can’t score either. (i.e. Charlotte Bobcats) Paul George as God as my witness I always knew that he, John Wall and Derrick Favors were gonna be the 3 best players from that ’10 Draft Class (was wrong about Favors but he’s still a good player) but I still think he’s overrated also. He’s a beast defensively I can’t take that from him but on the same token he’s still developing offensively. Don’t get me wrong he has a bright future in this league and could he be better than Melo one day absolutely. But right now I think his offensive shortcomings are being hidden by the fact that he has such a great and deep team that he doesn’t have to be called upon as a great scorer just yet. 

People need to actually come up with real facts and stop letting their dislike of Melo ruin their ability to be subjective. Show me some actualy factual information of how he’s not a top ten player and hasn’t been one for the past 10 years and I will concede defeat. Until then I will give you a "Come On Bruh" for your empty statements.

[machu46Participant]

Melo definitely has his weaknesses, but you could definitely argue for him over guys like Wade (who just isn’t right anymore, he just feels like a guy that’s going to fall off a cliff in a year or two), Love (who, based on your criteria of "helps you win", is far worse than Melo), Harden (whose defense is worse than Melo’s and scoring abilities are similar), Marc Gasol (this year has a poor FG% and poor rebounding numbers, and just in general really isn’t a top 10 player).

He’s definitely right around the top 10.  If he finds a coach/team that gets him to buy into playing harder defensively and sacrificing a few of his shots, he is a more than capable defender and passer.  He just doesn’t do it as often as he should for whatever reason.

 

 

 

[machu46Participant]

Melo definitely has his weaknesses, but you could definitely argue for him over guys like Wade (who just isn’t right anymore, he just feels like a guy that’s going to fall off a cliff in a year or two), Love (who, based on your criteria of "helps you win", is far worse than Melo), Harden (whose defense is worse than Melo’s and scoring abilities are similar), Marc Gasol (this year has a poor FG% and poor rebounding numbers, and just in general really isn’t a top 10 player).

He’s definitely right around the top 10.  If he finds a coach/team that gets him to buy into playing harder defensively and sacrificing a few of his shots, he is a more than capable defender and passer.  He just doesn’t do it as often as he should for whatever reason.

 

 

 

[JordoParticipant]

If the wizards decided to say screw it and go all in for Melo, it would mean they want to jump the gun and attempt a run at a championship now. The idea of Wall having Beal and Melo drawing a lot attention along with Wall’s abilty to penetrate and make plays is interesting. Imagine Melo getting doubled and he has 40% from 3 Bradley Beal wide open in the corner. Picture Wall feeding Melo instead of so much  Iso Melo and everybody stand around and watch. Not sure that core could beat MIA or IND in a series but it sure wouldn’t be easy and it instantly pushes them into relevance. Which is a lot better than lottery land.

[JordoParticipant]

If the wizards decided to say screw it and go all in for Melo, it would mean they want to jump the gun and attempt a run at a championship now. The idea of Wall having Beal and Melo drawing a lot attention along with Wall’s abilty to penetrate and make plays is interesting. Imagine Melo getting doubled and he has 40% from 3 Bradley Beal wide open in the corner. Picture Wall feeding Melo instead of so much  Iso Melo and everybody stand around and watch. Not sure that core could beat MIA or IND in a series but it sure wouldn’t be easy and it instantly pushes them into relevance. Which is a lot better than lottery land.

[joecheck88Participant]

 I think Melo gets too much flack for them being a bad team. They’re just a bad team and yea he’s a ball stopper but who is he going to pass to? Too inconsistent from everyone else. Melo would make the Wizards the legit third best team in the East with a chance to beat Miami and be tough for Indy though I think Pacers would still win that series. I think if Melo said yes and would resign there that it would be an awesome move. 

Otherwise, the Knicks need to try and move Chandler and Shumpert for some picks if they can. If not some young talent with some athleticism. The Knicks are very unathletic. 

[joecheck88Participant]

 I think Melo gets too much flack for them being a bad team. They’re just a bad team and yea he’s a ball stopper but who is he going to pass to? Too inconsistent from everyone else. Melo would make the Wizards the legit third best team in the East with a chance to beat Miami and be tough for Indy though I think Pacers would still win that series. I think if Melo said yes and would resign there that it would be an awesome move. 

Otherwise, the Knicks need to try and move Chandler and Shumpert for some picks if they can. If not some young talent with some athleticism. The Knicks are very unathletic. 

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 I kind of like the idea of Melo on the wizards. That would be a very solid team, depending on their bench.

 

Also, @ No_left, you call Nowitzki and Rose too ten players over melo?? You’re obviously reaching to prove a point there. Nowitzki is old an Rose has hardly played in 2 years. Also, totally my opinion here but I think Howard is way overrated. He’s just not a true superstar, the best center in a league that has hardly seen any since Shaq and Yao.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 I kind of like the idea of Melo on the wizards. That would be a very solid team, depending on their bench.

 

Also, @ No_left, you call Nowitzki and Rose too ten players over melo?? You’re obviously reaching to prove a point there. Nowitzki is old an Rose has hardly played in 2 years. Also, totally my opinion here but I think Howard is way overrated. He’s just not a true superstar, the best center in a league that has hardly seen any since Shaq and Yao.

[jlm4988Participant]

I think this is an interesting trade, and that it definitely makes sense for both teams. For all those who say that that is too much for Washington to give up for Melo, you’re either undervaluing Melo or overvaluing the potential of Wall/Beal/Porter and whoever else you consider to be their core. In the horrible Eastern Conference they will not be getting a lottery pick – this year and most likely the next few. Are you telling me that 2 first round picks which would likely be in the late teens-early 20’s, plus expirings is not worth Carmelo Anthony?! Forget about whether Melo is a top-10 player or not, I would do this trade in a hearbeat – of course pending Melo agrees to sign an extension (which as an aside I think would be unlikely. Let’s not forget about LaLa’s say in this.) You can fall in love with potential and cap space, but at a certain point you just need to go for it.

From the Knicks perspective I do think they need a tear down, but of course with Jimmy Dolan in charge you shold expect them to continue their ferocious assault on what is commonly referred to as "logic." It is highly unlikely that this spoiled rich kid will agree to a rebuild, and implicitly admit that almost all of the moves they made over the past few years have been shortsighted (to put it mildly). They need a fresh start and if they can get back some of the draft picks they gave up, they can try and erect a solid foundation. If they do decide to rebuild this move would only be the first of an extensive process. It would involve a lot of roster restructuring and likely be years before you start to see championship potential. But then again it is New York and they will always be a marquee free agent destination so things may turn around quicker than you would think.

For all Knicks fans who are reluctant to trade Melo, you have nothing to fear. Trading him would actually make sense. And that is something Knicks fans do not need to concern themselves with.

[jlm4988Participant]

I think this is an interesting trade, and that it definitely makes sense for both teams. For all those who say that that is too much for Washington to give up for Melo, you’re either undervaluing Melo or overvaluing the potential of Wall/Beal/Porter and whoever else you consider to be their core. In the horrible Eastern Conference they will not be getting a lottery pick – this year and most likely the next few. Are you telling me that 2 first round picks which would likely be in the late teens-early 20’s, plus expirings is not worth Carmelo Anthony?! Forget about whether Melo is a top-10 player or not, I would do this trade in a hearbeat – of course pending Melo agrees to sign an extension (which as an aside I think would be unlikely. Let’s not forget about LaLa’s say in this.) You can fall in love with potential and cap space, but at a certain point you just need to go for it.

From the Knicks perspective I do think they need a tear down, but of course with Jimmy Dolan in charge you shold expect them to continue their ferocious assault on what is commonly referred to as "logic." It is highly unlikely that this spoiled rich kid will agree to a rebuild, and implicitly admit that almost all of the moves they made over the past few years have been shortsighted (to put it mildly). They need a fresh start and if they can get back some of the draft picks they gave up, they can try and erect a solid foundation. If they do decide to rebuild this move would only be the first of an extensive process. It would involve a lot of roster restructuring and likely be years before you start to see championship potential. But then again it is New York and they will always be a marquee free agent destination so things may turn around quicker than you would think.

For all Knicks fans who are reluctant to trade Melo, you have nothing to fear. Trading him would actually make sense. And that is something Knicks fans do not need to concern themselves with.

[machu46Participant]

 The one thing that stops a move like this from happening is that I don’t think the Knicks ownership will approve of a total rebuild, which is what would happen if this trade is made.  Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense for the Knicks to rebuild, because if they keep Melo, they won’t have a chance to build around him again until he’s 32 or 33 years old, at which point he’s past his prime anyways.  The Knicks have a chance to restructure their team in two years (I think) when basically everybody comes off the books.  They should be trying to make moves that position themselves to have guys coming into their prime around that time so that they can add a couple pieces that off-season and suddenly have a formidable team.

[machu46Participant]

 The one thing that stops a move like this from happening is that I don’t think the Knicks ownership will approve of a total rebuild, which is what would happen if this trade is made.  Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense for the Knicks to rebuild, because if they keep Melo, they won’t have a chance to build around him again until he’s 32 or 33 years old, at which point he’s past his prime anyways.  The Knicks have a chance to restructure their team in two years (I think) when basically everybody comes off the books.  They should be trying to make moves that position themselves to have guys coming into their prime around that time so that they can add a couple pieces that off-season and suddenly have a formidable team.

[NtsapParticipant]

 If Melo stays. Knicks would be stupid even for them not to get rid of the bad contracts of Felton and Smith with him. I think this team could take Miami to 7 and possibly beat them. Miami struggles against teams with decent bigs and point guard. Melo only cares about his brand though not sure how big of a market DC outside of the NFL.

[NtsapParticipant]

 If Melo stays. Knicks would be stupid even for them not to get rid of the bad contracts of Felton and Smith with him. I think this team could take Miami to 7 and possibly beat them. Miami struggles against teams with decent bigs and point guard. Melo only cares about his brand though not sure how big of a market DC outside of the NFL.

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