[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 No surprise this is a hot topic, not just because of the Stephen A unnecessary drama.  I do think Lebron was not acting very much like a leader against GSW.  He was complaining to Tryon Lue about something, and then throwing elbows, flopping.  I mean, hey you’re the best, you always have been, it must be tough dealing with what Kobe had to go through when you took the mantle from him.  I think his greatest frustration is his team can’t play together and he wanted to win for Cleveland, and he knows he’s getting older.  Hey, its hard winning championships, not like you can’t just run off to Miami and play with your superstar buddies…oh wait.  

But on the obvious side note, who the heck is Kevin Love to poin anyone out.  I think he was just saying "hey we got the best player in the league on our team, and we just need to follow his lead".  No need for hte useless drama.  

I said before there are certain players on Cleveland you like, and others that have been perennial losers.

Players to Like:  Lebron, Delly, Thompson, Varejao (if healthy), Mo Williams, Jefferson (as the 10th man).

Perennial Losers:  Kyrie (never won in Cleveland without LBJ), Love, Shumpert (great size too inconsistent), and JR Smith (terrible shot selection, not a winner, bonehead mentality).

 

In this respect, I will propose a trade that I feel would be radical, but would also help the Cavs.

Cavs give:  Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Timofey Mozgov

Cavs receive (from Pheonix): Markieff Morris, Brandon Knight or Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, and TJ Warren (if necessary to sweeten pot).

 

It works via ESPN Trade Machine.  

Cavs would have: 

G) Bledsoe, Delly, JR Smith, Shumpert

SF) Lebron, TJ Warren, Jefferson

PF) Markieff Morris, Tristan Thompson

C) Tyson Chandler – former champion

I think this team erases a lot of the Cavs weaknesses, you don’t necessarily need to give up Kyrie, I just dislike his game althoguh he’s a scoring Monster, I don’t think Lebron likes playing with him.  I think he might like Bledsoe or Knight better.

 

Also, the Suns would have 

G) Kyrie, Brandon Knight, Booker

SF) TJ Warren (if not traded)

PF) Kevin Love, Teletovic, 

C) Mozgov 

Meaning they have a lot more shooting in Kyrie, Booker, and Love.  Mozgov and Chandler are a wash, but Mozgov is younger and Chandler is a ringed vet to help Cleveland.

 

Sorry I know theo ther thread was created, I just wanted to explain myself a little better here, on what I feel Cleveland needs add by substracting some "stars".  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

there is no way I think that team is a playoff team in the West.

Kyrie, Booker, Warren, Love, and Mozgov is NOT a playoff team in the west.

That is a testament to two things:  The Impact of Lebron James.  The Weakness and Overhype of Kyrie and Kevin Love.  

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

there is no way I think that team is a playoff team in the West.

Kyrie, Booker, Warren, Love, and Mozgov is NOT a playoff team in the west.

That is a testament to two things:  The Impact of Lebron James.  The Weakness and Overhype of Kyrie and Kevin Love.  

 

  

[prophetmeirParticipant]

You cant be serious

[prophetmeirParticipant]

You cant be serious

[MatosParticipant]

 You’re outta pocket with this one. They can get more value for those players elsewhere.

[MatosParticipant]

 You’re outta pocket with this one. They can get more value for those players elsewhere.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 You need a million negs for this one. You are hate bigtime on Kyrie, and yeah Love is not good fit in Cleveland but if you ran the offense through him somewhere else l, he would produce. Don’t get all ridiculous after ONE game. Yeah the Cavs got they butt kicked, but last time I checked they have they Third best record in the league and they are the defending Eastern Conference champs. Can they beat Spurs and Warriors in playoffs , well if the  playoffs were today HECK No but in June who knows.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 You need a million negs for this one. You are hate bigtime on Kyrie, and yeah Love is not good fit in Cleveland but if you ran the offense through him somewhere else l, he would produce. Don’t get all ridiculous after ONE game. Yeah the Cavs got they butt kicked, but last time I checked they have they Third best record in the league and they are the defending Eastern Conference champs. Can they beat Spurs and Warriors in playoffs , well if the  playoffs were today HECK No but in June who knows.

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

is going to get negged so this’ll be the last thing i write:

Lebron raises the game of others around him.  I think Love sucks, Morris is a better fit player with Lebron…

Irving didn’t need to be traded, but if there was a better scoring guard available, you take him.  I happen to think either Bledsoe or Brandon Knight would be bale to play with Lebron better than the great Kyrie.

Especialyl when playing with him. I think Morris and Knight/Blesdoe are better fits around him.  

And lastly, Chandler I don’t know what he’s got left, but I think he’s better than Mozgov because he’s a winner.  

I think that team automatically becomes more dynamic, I think Morris will be able to guard Draymond Green FAR BETTER than Kevin Love (who sucks), and Kyrie and1 mixtape can go play elsewhere.  Lebron got to the Finals without either of these two, I think they’re replaceable, you can find better fits.  And hey…if you have a "better value proposition" then you propose it.  

I happen to think the pieces fit better with Morris, Chandler, and Bledsoe than Love, Irving, and Mozgov.  

 

 

 

 

 

  

[timinator1Participant]

they’d essentially be throwing away this year. LeBron is saying now it takes time for lineups to gel, and this would be upsetting the whole apple cart in the middle of the season. On top of which, you aren’t getting top talent back for two of the best 20 players in the NBA (when on the right team, KLove). 

[timinator1Participant]

they’d essentially be throwing away this year. LeBron is saying now it takes time for lineups to gel, and this would be upsetting the whole apple cart in the middle of the season. On top of which, you aren’t getting top talent back for two of the best 20 players in the NBA (when on the right team, KLove). 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

is going to get negged so this’ll be the last thing i write:

Lebron raises the game of others around him.  I think Love sucks, Morris is a better fit player with Lebron…

Irving didn’t need to be traded, but if there was a better scoring guard available, you take him.  I happen to think either Bledsoe or Brandon Knight would be bale to play with Lebron better than the great Kyrie.

Especialyl when playing with him. I think Morris and Knight/Blesdoe are better fits around him.  

And lastly, Chandler I don’t know what he’s got left, but I think he’s better than Mozgov because he’s a winner.  

I think that team automatically becomes more dynamic, I think Morris will be able to guard Draymond Green FAR BETTER than Kevin Love (who sucks), and Kyrie and1 mixtape can go play elsewhere.  Lebron got to the Finals without either of these two, I think they’re replaceable, you can find better fits.  And hey…if you have a "better value proposition" then you propose it.  

I happen to think the pieces fit better with Morris, Chandler, and Bledsoe than Love, Irving, and Mozgov.  

 

 

 

 

 

  

[NJHooper95Participant]

 i get what you are saying now as far as fit. Don’t quit posting, all opinions here. Nobody is right or wrong 

[NJHooper95Participant]

 i get what you are saying now as far as fit. Don’t quit posting, all opinions here. Nobody is right or wrong 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Irving just won’t get after players on D. He is not going to out shoot Curry. So trading Irving is not that crazy. But it would have to be for a harder playing defender then Knight. I think the only way they beat GSW is by slowing the game down and playing amazing D. That will be really hard to do with 2 guys Irving and Love who just aren’t D guys.

[markfitz14Participant]

 Irving just won’t get after players on D. He is not going to out shoot Curry. So trading Irving is not that crazy. But it would have to be for a harder playing defender then Knight. I think the only way they beat GSW is by slowing the game down and playing amazing D. That will be really hard to do with 2 guys Irving and Love who just aren’t D guys.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This guy is the worst with these trade ideas.

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

what a jerk.  its about being creative.  propose something else then.  What i know is, they’re better off without Love and probably Kyrie too.  

You think Kyrie and Love on another team makes them instant contenders?  Lebron knows he’s playing on a soft ass team, aside from the guys I already said…Delly, Thompson, Mo Williams………

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

what a jerk.  its about being creative.  propose something else then.  What i know is, they’re better off without Love and probably Kyrie too.  

You think Kyrie and Love on another team makes them instant contenders?  Lebron knows he’s playing on a soft ass team, aside from the guys I already said…Delly, Thompson, Mo Williams………

  

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This guy is the worst with these trade ideas.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 Irving just doesn’t bring it defensively, I’m the biggest Irving supporter on this site but his defense embarrasses me.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 Irving just doesn’t bring it defensively, I’m the biggest Irving supporter on this site but his defense embarrasses me.

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Like sometimes you drop your jaw watching him….but then you realize, he doesn’t help his team at all, and you don’t care as much.   

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Like sometimes you drop your jaw watching him….but then you realize, he doesn’t help his team at all, and you don’t care as much.   

[markfitz14Participant]

Trade Idea—-  Love for D. Favors. It works in the Trade Machine. Would be a good trade for Utah to since they would get a Veteran PF that has great offense. And The Stifle Tower would hide Loves defensive wows. Cavs get a PF who would fit better, blocks shots and is atheltic enough to keep up with Draymond.

[The GoatParticipant]

I’d much rather have Favors

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 me too

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 me too

[The GoatParticipant]

I’d much rather have Favors

[river09Participant]

 I like that idea a lot.. I feel like Love would fit well in Utah both offensively and defensively. 

[river09Participant]

 I like that idea a lot.. I feel like Love would fit well in Utah both offensively and defensively. 

[markfitz14Participant]

Trade Idea—-  Love for D. Favors. It works in the Trade Machine. Would be a good trade for Utah to since they would get a Veteran PF that has great offense. And The Stifle Tower would hide Loves defensive wows. Cavs get a PF who would fit better, blocks shots and is atheltic enough to keep up with Draymond.

[markfitz14Participant]

Trade Idea—-   Love for Jae Crowder and D. Lee

Maybe have to give the Dallas 1st pick to sweeten the pot

[markfitz14Participant]

Trade Idea—-   Love for Jae Crowder and D. Lee

Maybe have to give the Dallas 1st pick to sweeten the pot

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 A lot of that made sense, but then Irving was included in the trade and it went bad for Cleveland.

Love to Phoenix, it might make sense.  Chandler out, and Cleveland wanting his size and experience, it works for them.  Morris gone from Phoenix, Suns want that.

Love, Varejao, Mozgov, Cunningham to Phoenix.

Knight, Chandler, Morris, Tucker to Cleveland.

Suns can look to next year, with Len, Love, Warren, Booker and healthy Bledsoe.  Varejao is included for salary reasons, but is useful.  Mozgov is someone the Suns can trade right away for a pick.

Cleveland add experienced center Chandler and combo-guard Knight.  Morris can play two positions, and Tucker can add defense for the playoffs.

 

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 A lot of that made sense, but then Irving was included in the trade and it went bad for Cleveland.

Love to Phoenix, it might make sense.  Chandler out, and Cleveland wanting his size and experience, it works for them.  Morris gone from Phoenix, Suns want that.

Love, Varejao, Mozgov, Cunningham to Phoenix.

Knight, Chandler, Morris, Tucker to Cleveland.

Suns can look to next year, with Len, Love, Warren, Booker and healthy Bledsoe.  Varejao is included for salary reasons, but is useful.  Mozgov is someone the Suns can trade right away for a pick.

Cleveland add experienced center Chandler and combo-guard Knight.  Morris can play two positions, and Tucker can add defense for the playoffs.

 

 

 

 

 

[myers3425Participant]

 I doubt Kevin Love gets traded but what about a disgruntled player swap. Rumors have it that Howard is not happy in Houston and Houston has been rumored to wanting Ryan Anderson for a while so how about a Love for Howard swap money works and makes both teams better in my opinion. Also you could throw in a few more lesser players to Fill in slots like back up PF and C for each team or draft picks but maybe all these players need is a change of scenery. 

[myers3425Participant]

 I doubt Kevin Love gets traded but what about a disgruntled player swap. Rumors have it that Howard is not happy in Houston and Houston has been rumored to wanting Ryan Anderson for a while so how about a Love for Howard swap money works and makes both teams better in my opinion. Also you could throw in a few more lesser players to Fill in slots like back up PF and C for each team or draft picks but maybe all these players need is a change of scenery. 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

His whole attitude is just wierd.  I can’t get over the fact that, in one of the all star games, it was the 4th quarter and everyone on both teams turned it up and was trying to win.  

The only guy out there in the 4th that didn’t get the feel that this is a competetitve game, the only guy that coudn’t wipe the smile off his face, is Dwight Howard.

I said you gotta have that dog in you to play with Lebron, who plays like a football player out there.  Dwight Howard ain’t no dog, he’s Clifford. 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

His whole attitude is just wierd.  I can’t get over the fact that, in one of the all star games, it was the 4th quarter and everyone on both teams turned it up and was trying to win.  

The only guy out there in the 4th that didn’t get the feel that this is a competetitve game, the only guy that coudn’t wipe the smile off his face, is Dwight Howard.

I said you gotta have that dog in you to play with Lebron, who plays like a football player out there.  Dwight Howard ain’t no dog, he’s Clifford. 

 

  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

I’ve seen some bad proposed trades on here, but this is by far the worst…

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

I’ve seen some bad proposed trades on here, but this is by far the worst…

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Here is a trade that might work for the Cavs, that fan boys would hate BUT I am not even sure that the other team would do this:

LeBron James to the Knicks.

Carmelo Anthony Kristaps Porzingas, and Sasha Vujacic to the Cavs.

The Cavs lose LeBron’s playmaking but get Carmelo’s shooting and scoring.  Melo is also a pretty good rebounder and a solid passer.  He can defend, too, when he is in the mood.

Kyrie Irving gets the ball more.  Maybe Kevin Love has more spacing now for 3’s.  Or, he can get more post ups without LeBron trying to post up, too.

Porzingas is Porzingas.

I actually start KP and go with BIG Small Ball.

KP as a super sized stretch five.  He can shoot, score, and block shots.

At the 4, Kevin Love.  More spacing, so Love can get more outside shots.  The lane would be more open, too, for Love post ups.  Love’s rebounding numbers would also go up.

Carmelo shoots, scores, and does a little bit of the other stuff at the 3 for the Cavs.

Heck of a front line.  If unconventional.  In terms of all-around scoing and outside shooting, perhaps one of the best front courts in NBA history.  Each guy can score inside AND hit the 3.  

Kyrie Irving gets to be the TRUE point guard.

Delly is the backup.

Sasha Vujacic offers a bit of championship experience at the 2 guard spot.  He can also handle the ball some.  He can play that Mike Miller role. 

J.R. Smith is now better off as a fifth option OR as a 6th man scorer.

Tristan Thompson, Mozgov, and Anderson Varejao offer a ton of big man depth off the bench.

Shump and Richard Jefferson offer some extra wing depth.

 I am not even sure that the Knicks would do this though.

If the Cavs start Shump at the 2 for defense and athleticism, then the Cavs can have a really good (smaller) bench mob:

Mo Williams and Delly in a small-ball backcourt.

JR Smith as the 6th man at the small forward spot.

TT at the 4.

Mozgov or AV at the 5.

The Cavs STILL might not beat the Warriors or Spurs, BUT they matchup better with the Warriors when they go small.  The Cavs can roll out a really big five man unit, but still able to play "small ball."

Kyrie Irving at point, JR Smith as the 6th man/closer at the 2, Carmelo at the 3, Love at the 4, and Porzingas at the 5.

If the Warriors backcourt really lights up Irving and JR then the Cavs can go with a defensive backcourt of Delly and Shump thus leaning more heavily on Melo, Love, and Porzingas for scoring.

If I am Phil Jackson do I do this trade?  I MIGHT IF I think I can get Durant this offseason (along with Whiteside?).  I want MORE.  I would also want at least Jared Cunningham (young bouncy point guard), the 56th pick, and a future first round pick along with cash.

If I am Cleveland I do that trade:

Lebron, Jared Cunningham, the 56th pick, a (protected) first round pick, and cash to the Knicks.

Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingas, and Sasha Vujacic to Cleveland.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Here is a trade that might work for the Cavs, that fan boys would hate BUT I am not even sure that the other team would do this:

LeBron James to the Knicks.

Carmelo Anthony Kristaps Porzingas, and Sasha Vujacic to the Cavs.

The Cavs lose LeBron’s playmaking but get Carmelo’s shooting and scoring.  Melo is also a pretty good rebounder and a solid passer.  He can defend, too, when he is in the mood.

Kyrie Irving gets the ball more.  Maybe Kevin Love has more spacing now for 3’s.  Or, he can get more post ups without LeBron trying to post up, too.

Porzingas is Porzingas.

I actually start KP and go with BIG Small Ball.

KP as a super sized stretch five.  He can shoot, score, and block shots.

At the 4, Kevin Love.  More spacing, so Love can get more outside shots.  The lane would be more open, too, for Love post ups.  Love’s rebounding numbers would also go up.

Carmelo shoots, scores, and does a little bit of the other stuff at the 3 for the Cavs.

Heck of a front line.  If unconventional.  In terms of all-around scoing and outside shooting, perhaps one of the best front courts in NBA history.  Each guy can score inside AND hit the 3.  

Kyrie Irving gets to be the TRUE point guard.

Delly is the backup.

Sasha Vujacic offers a bit of championship experience at the 2 guard spot.  He can also handle the ball some.  He can play that Mike Miller role. 

J.R. Smith is now better off as a fifth option OR as a 6th man scorer.

Tristan Thompson, Mozgov, and Anderson Varejao offer a ton of big man depth off the bench.

Shump and Richard Jefferson offer some extra wing depth.

 I am not even sure that the Knicks would do this though.

If the Cavs start Shump at the 2 for defense and athleticism, then the Cavs can have a really good (smaller) bench mob:

Mo Williams and Delly in a small-ball backcourt.

JR Smith as the 6th man at the small forward spot.

TT at the 4.

Mozgov or AV at the 5.

The Cavs STILL might not beat the Warriors or Spurs, BUT they matchup better with the Warriors when they go small.  The Cavs can roll out a really big five man unit, but still able to play "small ball."

Kyrie Irving at point, JR Smith as the 6th man/closer at the 2, Carmelo at the 3, Love at the 4, and Porzingas at the 5.

If the Warriors backcourt really lights up Irving and JR then the Cavs can go with a defensive backcourt of Delly and Shump thus leaning more heavily on Melo, Love, and Porzingas for scoring.

If I am Phil Jackson do I do this trade?  I MIGHT IF I think I can get Durant this offseason (along with Whiteside?).  I want MORE.  I would also want at least Jared Cunningham (young bouncy point guard), the 56th pick, and a future first round pick along with cash.

If I am Cleveland I do that trade:

Lebron, Jared Cunningham, the 56th pick, a (protected) first round pick, and cash to the Knicks.

Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingas, and Sasha Vujacic to Cleveland.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I give you an A for effort with this one, but let’s be realistic here.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I give you an A for effort with this one, but let’s be realistic here.

[SpaceghostParticipant]

 I just used the trade machine and it works at least for Year One…

Love/ Andy  for Jeff Green and Zo Bo and maybe a second round pick to the grizz

 

Cavs Move Lebron to the 4

Point  Kyrie/ Delly/ Mo Williams                       Mike Conley/ Chalmers

2G Smith/Shumpert                                             Courtney Lee/ Tony Allen 

3 Jeff Green/Bron/Jefferson                                  Matt Barnes/Vince Carter 

4 Lebron/ ZBo                                                        Love/ Jerell Martin See what the rookie can do 

5Tristain /Mozgov                                                  Gasol/ Andy Varajeo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SpaceghostParticipant]

 I just used the trade machine and it works at least for Year One…

Love/ Andy  for Jeff Green and Zo Bo and maybe a second round pick to the grizz

 

Cavs Move Lebron to the 4

Point  Kyrie/ Delly/ Mo Williams                       Mike Conley/ Chalmers

2G Smith/Shumpert                                             Courtney Lee/ Tony Allen 

3 Jeff Green/Bron/Jefferson                                  Matt Barnes/Vince Carter 

4 Lebron/ ZBo                                                        Love/ Jerell Martin See what the rookie can do 

5Tristain /Mozgov                                                  Gasol/ Andy Varajeo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Garbage ManParticipant]

 If the Cavs really want to win, trading Kyrie (a fiery competitior and an electrifying scorer) isn’t the thing to do. Lebron loves playing with Kyrie and they are very close. Trading Kevin Love would definitely be the thing to pursue. They’d recieve a lot of compensation and their team would lose a plague like player. They don’t even need to trade him for a power forward, they have Tristan Thompson. The guy is not that much of a scorer but you give him 35 on the court, he’ll average around 11 points, 12 rebounds and a solid 2 blocks a game. It’s time for Cleveland to let go of him already if they want any rings in the near futute.

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Love and Mozgov for Chandler and Morris.  Morris is a far better defender and can score in more ways than Love.  Chandler was playing really well yesterday. Mobile.   

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Love and Mozgov for Chandler and Morris.  Morris is a far better defender and can score in more ways than Love.  Chandler was playing really well yesterday. Mobile.   

[The Garbage ManParticipant]

 If the Cavs really want to win, trading Kyrie (a fiery competitior and an electrifying scorer) isn’t the thing to do. Lebron loves playing with Kyrie and they are very close. Trading Kevin Love would definitely be the thing to pursue. They’d recieve a lot of compensation and their team would lose a plague like player. They don’t even need to trade him for a power forward, they have Tristan Thompson. The guy is not that much of a scorer but you give him 35 on the court, he’ll average around 11 points, 12 rebounds and a solid 2 blocks a game. It’s time for Cleveland to let go of him already if they want any rings in the near futute.

 

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 So, I’m not trying to be a jerk, and Lebron teams win a lot, but who exactly has he raised the offensive game of?  Wade took a backseat to him. Bosh disappeared. Kyrie is about the same offensively, Love took a nose dive. Mo Williams is and was basically the same player, just changing how much he shoots. Mike Miller and Ray Allen do Mike Miller and Ray Allen things.  Lebron helps his teams win to be sure, but not the individual offensive players. They tend to stagnate or regress with him since they see the ball so little.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 So, I’m not trying to be a jerk, and Lebron teams win a lot, but who exactly has he raised the offensive game of?  Wade took a backseat to him. Bosh disappeared. Kyrie is about the same offensively, Love took a nose dive. Mo Williams is and was basically the same player, just changing how much he shoots. Mike Miller and Ray Allen do Mike Miller and Ray Allen things.  Lebron helps his teams win to be sure, but not the individual offensive players. They tend to stagnate or regress with him since they see the ball so little.

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