[[email protected]Participant]

I think players with high stock that choose to stay in school in my opinion , kill their stock because you never know what will happen sometimes an extra look at a top 2 pick isn’t always good: it can show ya deficiencies look at Sullinger ,Barnes, macadoo I think when your stock is high you go. For example there no guarantee that if Parker or embiid stays they will be a top 5 picks the following draft year cause okafor could play out his mind the dude miles turner could do the same or Robinson that’s goin to Kansas could look better than then Parker or embiid and even Emanuel muday that’s goin to smu could go number 1 he’s like a second coming of d rose that’s y I think go when you stock is high or you Could end up falling out of the top 5. Take a  look at Marcus smart for example he might slide out the top ten with players like exum declaring and most of the top 10 not needing a point guard but these are just my thoughts

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

You’re right. Strike ( declare ) when the prey ( draft ) is weak. Sully and Barnes didn’t declare because of the uncertainty of the lockout, which had their stock sort of fall. College-related rewards/stats tend to be irrelevant in the NBA. A 6’1 point can get 22-5-5 in college and be that end-of-the-line bench warmer in the pros.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

You’re right. Strike ( declare ) when the prey ( draft ) is weak. Sully and Barnes didn’t declare because of the uncertainty of the lockout, which had their stock sort of fall. College-related rewards/stats tend to be irrelevant in the NBA. A 6’1 point can get 22-5-5 in college and be that end-of-the-line bench warmer in the pros.

[burgessfourParticipant]

I agree, you have a shot at at least a million or so, do not pass it up.

[burgessfourParticipant]

I agree, you have a shot at at least a million or so, do not pass it up.

[Ty BenjaminsParticipant]

 someone who understands emmanuel mudiay is the real deal! If he plays well at SMU next year, he definitely a threat to go #1

[Ty BenjaminsParticipant]

 someone who understands emmanuel mudiay is the real deal! If he plays well at SMU next year, he definitely a threat to go #1

[Moon RiverParticipant]

And I think all of the players need to approach it that way.  And that goes for every kid in college.  How do you maximize your employment situation after college?  However, in the situation of some of the high profile NBA bound guys, sometimes an extra year of college to mature a bit and get your advisors in the right place so you are truly ready for all of the aspects of the NBA and not just on the court can be valuable.  Every situation is unique but the situation gets more complicated when there are millions at stake. 

[Moon RiverParticipant]

And I think all of the players need to approach it that way.  And that goes for every kid in college.  How do you maximize your employment situation after college?  However, in the situation of some of the high profile NBA bound guys, sometimes an extra year of college to mature a bit and get your advisors in the right place so you are truly ready for all of the aspects of the NBA and not just on the court can be valuable.  Every situation is unique but the situation gets more complicated when there are millions at stake. 

[[email protected]Participant]

I don’t get how I’m gettin negged tho 

[[email protected]Participant]

I don’t get how I’m gettin negged tho 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I agree that many players should go with the "strike while the iron is hot" approach. Even so, not every player should. Still is absolutely a case by case basis. The main reason people have for bypassing an extra year of school is the risk involved with losing money. The counterpoint, sometimes players do not go into the right situation and lose confidence, maybe costing themselves in the long term prospects for their career. For the plenty of cases of "making a mistake" coming back, their are also plenty who have helped themselves greatly.

If you are going to be a lottery pick, by all means, enter the NBA Draft. If you feel you are not ready and that you can be of a more immediate impact or potentially improve your chances, than stay. It is a risk, but I really do not believe every player gets impacted negatively by staying another year in school. People point to the cases where it has happened more often, because it is easier than finding the cases where it has worked out.

Here is a list of guys used as poster children for draft stock being impacted negatively by coming back:

• James McAdoo
• Harrison Barnes
• Jared Sullinger
• Perry Jones III
• Mitch McGary

There are plenty of others I am missing and it has long been a thing where people say "He should have left when he had the chance". Now, here are some guys who are not brought up enough as guys who considered entering the draft and really helped their draft stock by staying another year:

• Trey Burke (Thought about entering after his freshman season, turned out alright)
• Blake Griffin (Was considering the NBA after his freshman year, turned out alright)
• Cody Zeller (Thoughts of his possibly coming out in 2012, stayed another year, went 4th)
• Brandon Roy (Put his name in as a HS Senior, withdrew. Not a lot of buzz around him being drafted. Took time, developed at Washington. Went 6th, NBA ready as a rookie)

Those are just a few (plenty of others as well, pressed on time), but their are a lot of cases where people do indeed improve their draft stock. Harder to do so when you are near the top, though I do not necessarily agree that the incoming freshman are better prospects than Joel Embiid or Jabari Parker, either. If you are the real deal, you will more than likely be drafted accordingly. If you only come back to try and boost your already high stock, their is a risk involved that you may not do so. Still, not everyone falls by doing so.

I understand that the way things are, it is incredibly difficult to pass up long term financial security. Also understand that many players who have come into the league early have developed into some of the best we have in the NBA. On the whole though, it took a lot of these players time to turn into players that helped you compete at a high level. As much as a high ranking team would love to have Joel Embiid ASAP, if he could stay and develop physically, emotionally and improve his understanding of the game, am sure they would be getting much more of off their initial investment.

So, if you are a lottery pick, very hard to turn down that type of money and their is a risk you will fall. If you are coming off of a huge performance and your stock is higher than it looks like it may ever be, might be time to consider the NBA. Their are cases where staying does not turn out well, but not every case. Plus, even when their draft stock drops, it does not necessarily mean that they did not maybe end up in a better situation and more prepared entering the league. The claim that players staying in school kill their stock is not necessarily completely true and if one looked closer, they could see it can indeed work out for the better. Think it should be taken case by case rather than have a general rule of whether to enter the draft or not.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I agree that many players should go with the "strike while the iron is hot" approach. Even so, not every player should. Still is absolutely a case by case basis. The main reason people have for bypassing an extra year of school is the risk involved with losing money. The counterpoint, sometimes players do not go into the right situation and lose confidence, maybe costing themselves in the long term prospects for their career. For the plenty of cases of "making a mistake" coming back, their are also plenty who have helped themselves greatly.

If you are going to be a lottery pick, by all means, enter the NBA Draft. If you feel you are not ready and that you can be of a more immediate impact or potentially improve your chances, than stay. It is a risk, but I really do not believe every player gets impacted negatively by staying another year in school. People point to the cases where it has happened more often, because it is easier than finding the cases where it has worked out.

Here is a list of guys used as poster children for draft stock being impacted negatively by coming back:

• James McAdoo
• Harrison Barnes
• Jared Sullinger
• Perry Jones III
• Mitch McGary

There are plenty of others I am missing and it has long been a thing where people say "He should have left when he had the chance". Now, here are some guys who are not brought up enough as guys who considered entering the draft and really helped their draft stock by staying another year:

• Trey Burke (Thought about entering after his freshman season, turned out alright)
• Blake Griffin (Was considering the NBA after his freshman year, turned out alright)
• Cody Zeller (Thoughts of his possibly coming out in 2012, stayed another year, went 4th)
• Brandon Roy (Put his name in as a HS Senior, withdrew. Not a lot of buzz around him being drafted. Took time, developed at Washington. Went 6th, NBA ready as a rookie)

Those are just a few (plenty of others as well, pressed on time), but their are a lot of cases where people do indeed improve their draft stock. Harder to do so when you are near the top, though I do not necessarily agree that the incoming freshman are better prospects than Joel Embiid or Jabari Parker, either. If you are the real deal, you will more than likely be drafted accordingly. If you only come back to try and boost your already high stock, their is a risk involved that you may not do so. Still, not everyone falls by doing so.

I understand that the way things are, it is incredibly difficult to pass up long term financial security. Also understand that many players who have come into the league early have developed into some of the best we have in the NBA. On the whole though, it took a lot of these players time to turn into players that helped you compete at a high level. As much as a high ranking team would love to have Joel Embiid ASAP, if he could stay and develop physically, emotionally and improve his understanding of the game, am sure they would be getting much more of off their initial investment.

So, if you are a lottery pick, very hard to turn down that type of money and their is a risk you will fall. If you are coming off of a huge performance and your stock is higher than it looks like it may ever be, might be time to consider the NBA. Their are cases where staying does not turn out well, but not every case. Plus, even when their draft stock drops, it does not necessarily mean that they did not maybe end up in a better situation and more prepared entering the league. The claim that players staying in school kill their stock is not necessarily completely true and if one looked closer, they could see it can indeed work out for the better. Think it should be taken case by case rather than have a general rule of whether to enter the draft or not.

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