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  • #62893
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    For_Never_Ever
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    I’m not going to make a legit ranking because it’s very subjective, but where would he really rank this year ? I definitely have him out the top five, and would put Lowry, Thomas ahead of him, also perhaps Reggie Jackson too. He’s a very good player however I wouldn’t label him a franchise player. He is the best player on the team. 

     

    A lot of people are saying if he wasn’t so quiet he would be more well known and ranked higher. My argument to that how about Mike Conley ? He is so well known for being underrated that could be overrated now. The big heel for Wall is that he doesn’t have that kind of a offensive game, that he’ll win games for you when the team really needs it. So all I’m saying he is a good player, but saying he underrated and putting him in top fives is pushing it.

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  • #1044771
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     In his defense, the whole Wizards team is a mess right now, but he’s the PG and face of the team so he deserves some blame.  He’s arguably a top 5 PG talent but you’re definitely right in saying that he hasn’t been a top 5 PG this year. Steph, CP3, Russ, Lillard, Lowry, and Isaiah Thomas have all performed better. 

     

     

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    • #1044775
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      For_Never_Ever
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       Has he ever been a top five PG in his NBA career ?

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      • #1044825
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         Probably last year. To me, only Curry, Westbrook and Paul were better. This year, Lillard and Lowry are probably better but it’s all fluid with those guys, including Irving too.

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      • #1044961
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         Probably last year. To me, only Curry, Westbrook and Paul were better. This year, Lillard and Lowry are probably better but it’s all fluid with those guys, including Irving too.

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      • #1045107
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         I’m replying to you because you wrote the post, but I also scrolled down and read most posts. This site is filled with idiots 1st off. You guys are incredibly biased, not objective at all, & should be banned from talking bball for being blind.

        Wall has been carrying this injury plagued team ever since beal &, Nene arrived. Everyone saw what they could be when healthy. 2 straight 2nd round appearances, & all they needed was more atheletes to run with wall, specifically another big & better bench, with athleticism.

        Isaiah, really? The C’s 2nd best big player in Avery, has never been as injury prone as beal, &,although gortat is better than all their bits, still olynk, sully, Johnson, & jerebko are better as a whole in thefront court. Also who on the wiz matches up with crowder? Smart, turner, olnynk off the bench, all the wiz got is Ramon sessions.

        Jackson, idont think you believe that honestly, I think this is just biasness straight up. Say you cancelled out wall& uackson for a team comparison. Detroit got drummond, morris,kcp, Johnson, baynes, blake vs whT?Injury plagued nene & beal, gortat no bench, silly, use your mind. &its looking like detroit isn’t a lock for the playoffs I think that’s a much more unexplainable let down for your elite pg.

        Cp3. They r even in everything they do to me, except cp3 is a better perimeter shooter, &,has experience, but if I had a choice between both starting their career at the same time.I pick wall for his hustle,potential, &athleticism. Also cp3 has doc & the clipps, so.much more to work with than the wiz with wall.

        Russ I think.is the one who is operated. Which I know for that statemet alone i will be negged. I keep saying it &,will never stop, okc missed the playoffs with him leading the team. I really feel kd’s steady low awesomeness, from versatility on offense& defense to constant high fg% helps the thunder more than russ, & russ needs kd more than kd needs russ.

        Steph, so much excitement, he is the only one i give clear advantage over wall for. Thats only bcuz the warriors rule the block at the moment, still its funny how so.many give it to steph no thought, when he is the worst defensively of all the all star pgs in my opinion. His assists to turnover ratio, is one of the highest regarding all active pgs who have made an all star game, and his team is stacked more than any team has been except the miami heat in recent memory. Wall is much better defensively, & in passing. Still, the warriors are on top, & he makes the crowd go crazy with his ability to make 3s, which, props he is the best at.

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

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      • #1044972
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         I’m replying to you because you wrote the post, but I also scrolled down and read most posts. This site is filled with idiots 1st off. You guys are incredibly biased, not objective at all, & should be banned from talking bball for being blind.

        Wall has been carrying this injury plagued team ever since beal &, Nene arrived. Everyone saw what they could be when healthy. 2 straight 2nd round appearances, & all they needed was more atheletes to run with wall, specifically another big & better bench, with athleticism.

        Isaiah, really? The C’s 2nd best big player in Avery, has never been as injury prone as beal, &,although gortat is better than all their bits, still olynk, sully, Johnson, & jerebko are better as a whole in thefront court. Also who on the wiz matches up with crowder? Smart, turner, olnynk off the bench, all the wiz got is Ramon sessions.

        Jackson, idont think you believe that honestly, I think this is just biasness straight up. Say you cancelled out wall& uackson for a team comparison. Detroit got drummond, morris,kcp, Johnson, baynes, blake vs whT?Injury plagued nene & beal, gortat no bench, silly, use your mind. &its looking like detroit isn’t a lock for the playoffs I think that’s a much more unexplainable let down for your elite pg.

        Cp3. They r even in everything they do to me, except cp3 is a better perimeter shooter, &,has experience, but if I had a choice between both starting their career at the same time.I pick wall for his hustle,potential, &athleticism. Also cp3 has doc & the clipps, so.much more to work with than the wiz with wall.

        Russ I think.is the one who is operated. Which I know for that statemet alone i will be negged. I keep saying it &,will never stop, okc missed the playoffs with him leading the team. I really feel kd’s steady low awesomeness, from versatility on offense& defense to constant high fg% helps the thunder more than russ, & russ needs kd more than kd needs russ.

        Steph, so much excitement, he is the only one i give clear advantage over wall for. Thats only bcuz the warriors rule the block at the moment, still its funny how so.many give it to steph no thought, when he is the worst defensively of all the all star pgs in my opinion. His assists to turnover ratio, is one of the highest regarding all active pgs who have made an all star game, and his team is stacked more than any team has been except the miami heat in recent memory. Wall is much better defensively, & in passing. Still, the warriors are on top, & he makes the crowd go crazy with his ability to make 3s, which, props he is the best at.

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

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    • #1044912
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      For_Never_Ever
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       Has he ever been a top five PG in his NBA career ?

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  • #1044908
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     In his defense, the whole Wizards team is a mess right now, but he’s the PG and face of the team so he deserves some blame.  He’s arguably a top 5 PG talent but you’re definitely right in saying that he hasn’t been a top 5 PG this year. Steph, CP3, Russ, Lillard, Lowry, and Isaiah Thomas have all performed better. 

     

     

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  • #1044789
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     He has top five talent. However he has never been a top five PG in his NBA career. So I don’t understand why it seems he always gets this push from fans that he is a top tier guy.

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  • #1044926
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    For_Never_Ever
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     He has top five talent. However he has never been a top five PG in his NBA career. So I don’t understand why it seems he always gets this push from fans that he is a top tier guy.

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  • #1044807
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     It would’ve been helpful if you made your case that how he never been a top 5 point guard, why you believe he’s not a franchise player, and why you believe the likes of Reggie Jackson, Kyle Lowry, and Isiah Thomas are better than Wall. That would have been extremely helpful if you did. I don’t believe you can make a valid argument that won’t contradict your claims because you will most likely say something about leading a team, closing out games, and head to head matchups. Wall literally domintated Kyle Lowry in the playoffs when it mattered the most. And don’t come on here with the Isiah Thomas and Reggie Jackson are better because that will ruin you own argument.

    John Wall is a franchise player, he may not be a superstar, but most certainly  he’s a franchise player. He led this dysfunctional franchise to being "Kings/Browns" like to be a perrenial playoff team that made it out the 1st round the last 2 seasons. That’s what franchise players do.

     

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    • #1044815
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      For_Never_Ever
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      Well can you explain when he has ever been a top five PG in his career ? Because he has never been unless you think hes better than Chris Paul, Denon Williams was before his ankles killed his career, Steve Nash, Derrick Rose before the inuries, Rojon Rondo with the Celtics. Now a number other PG’s. Isiah Thomas is the best PG in the East this year. Why are you so bias against him ?

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      • #1044845
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        Please explain first why you think Reggie Jackson is better than Wall.

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      • #1044981
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        Please explain first why you think Reggie Jackson is better than Wall.

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    • #1044952
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      For_Never_Ever
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      Well can you explain when he has ever been a top five PG in his career ? Because he has never been unless you think hes better than Chris Paul, Denon Williams was before his ankles killed his career, Steve Nash, Derrick Rose before the inuries, Rojon Rondo with the Celtics. Now a number other PG’s. Isiah Thomas is the best PG in the East this year. Why are you so bias against him ?

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  • #1044944
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     It would’ve been helpful if you made your case that how he never been a top 5 point guard, why you believe he’s not a franchise player, and why you believe the likes of Reggie Jackson, Kyle Lowry, and Isiah Thomas are better than Wall. That would have been extremely helpful if you did. I don’t believe you can make a valid argument that won’t contradict your claims because you will most likely say something about leading a team, closing out games, and head to head matchups. Wall literally domintated Kyle Lowry in the playoffs when it mattered the most. And don’t come on here with the Isiah Thomas and Reggie Jackson are better because that will ruin you own argument.

    John Wall is a franchise player, he may not be a superstar, but most certainly  he’s a franchise player. He led this dysfunctional franchise to being "Kings/Browns" like to be a perrenial playoff team that made it out the 1st round the last 2 seasons. That’s what franchise players do.

     

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  • #1044809
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     Wow. I assume you haven’t watched Wall because if you have you would see that he is clearly a top 5 PG. He’s not the best shooter but he can still put up 20 a night easily. His shooting improves every year and he excels at getting to the basket. He is undisputededly a top 3 passer as the stats show and watching him play the countless opportunities his drives create. Not to mention his defense is way better than thomas, lillard, and kyrie type pgs. Lowry is having a better season, but don’t forgot it was 1 year ago that Wall completely outmatched him in the playoffs during the 4-0 sweep.

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    • #1044821
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      I don’t wanna make an excuse for Lowry last season in the Playoffs because who knows everyones injuries, and he did really bomb. But I did hear he had sever ankle spraine. 

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    • #1044957
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      I don’t wanna make an excuse for Lowry last season in the Playoffs because who knows everyones injuries, and he did really bomb. But I did hear he had sever ankle spraine. 

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  • #1044946
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     Wow. I assume you haven’t watched Wall because if you have you would see that he is clearly a top 5 PG. He’s not the best shooter but he can still put up 20 a night easily. His shooting improves every year and he excels at getting to the basket. He is undisputededly a top 3 passer as the stats show and watching him play the countless opportunities his drives create. Not to mention his defense is way better than thomas, lillard, and kyrie type pgs. Lowry is having a better season, but don’t forgot it was 1 year ago that Wall completely outmatched him in the playoffs during the 4-0 sweep.

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  • #1044853
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    For_Never_Ever
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     So I’m guessing everyone in the site has John Wall as a top five PG in the NBA. Is he a shoe in for the Hall of fame already too ?

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  • #1044989
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    For_Never_Ever
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     So I’m guessing everyone in the site has John Wall as a top five PG in the NBA. Is he a shoe in for the Hall of fame already too ?

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  • #1044855
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     I disagree. At least an arguement could be made for the others, but how you think reggie jackson is better then john wall is beyond me, and probably many others.

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    • #1044993
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      They both have very similar stats, and one has been a starting PG from the jump. Detroit is playing better also. I didn’t say career. I said this year, and this year I believe Jackson is the more impactful player.

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    • #1044857
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      They both have very similar stats, and one has been a starting PG from the jump. Detroit is playing better also. I didn’t say career. I said this year, and this year I believe Jackson is the more impactful player.

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      • #1045021
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        Similar stats what? U trippin man. Aside from points, Wall averages way more assists, rebounds, steals and blocks than Reggie. 

        And please don’t give that argument of Detroit being better. Wall’s been the ONLY constant in that frustrating Wizards team. Beal and Porter have missed a lot of games combined, and those should have been the next 2 scoring threats aside from Wall. Then you have Temple and Dudley starting along with a non-existent bench. Let’s see how Reggie will fare with that team.

         

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      • #1044885
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        Similar stats what? U trippin man. Aside from points, Wall averages way more assists, rebounds, steals and blocks than Reggie. 

        And please don’t give that argument of Detroit being better. Wall’s been the ONLY constant in that frustrating Wizards team. Beal and Porter have missed a lot of games combined, and those should have been the next 2 scoring threats aside from Wall. Then you have Temple and Dudley starting along with a non-existent bench. Let’s see how Reggie will fare with that team.

         

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      • #1045053
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        Their stats are not very similar. Jackson averages 19 pts, 3 rebs and 6 assts with a +11 efficiency rating. John Wall averages 20 pts, 5 rebs and 10 assts a game with a +20 efficiency rating. Also note Wall averages 2 steals a game while Jackson averages .8

        Wall is top 10 in double doubles in the league so no Jackson is not better or having a better season. Wall is always top 5 in assists every year.

        Wall is better than Lowry too but that would have been a better argument than Jackson

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      • #1044917
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        Their stats are not very similar. Jackson averages 19 pts, 3 rebs and 6 assts with a +11 efficiency rating. John Wall averages 20 pts, 5 rebs and 10 assts a game with a +20 efficiency rating. Also note Wall averages 2 steals a game while Jackson averages .8

        Wall is top 10 in double doubles in the league so no Jackson is not better or having a better season. Wall is always top 5 in assists every year.

        Wall is better than Lowry too but that would have been a better argument than Jackson

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  • #1044991
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     I disagree. At least an arguement could be made for the others, but how you think reggie jackson is better then john wall is beyond me, and probably many others.

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  • #1045001
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     Wall is playing great basketball this year considering the circumstances. The team lost Pierce who played a big leadership role key players most notably Neal have been injured all years Nene is losing his effectiveness and they just aren’t that talented. Wall is a top 15 player in the league.

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  • #1044865
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     Wall is playing great basketball this year considering the circumstances. The team lost Pierce who played a big leadership role key players most notably Neal have been injured all years Nene is losing his effectiveness and they just aren’t that talented. Wall is a top 15 player in the league.

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  • #1045031
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     OK… Wall is definitely better than Jackson. I mean, Jackson’s stats are kinda inflated. It’s him and Drummond… and that’s it on that team. Wall is a better leader for his team and he makes his teammates better.

    But I wouldn’t put Wall in my Top 5.

    1. Curry

    2. Westbrook

    3. Paul

    4. Damian Lillard

    5. Kyle Lowry

    6. John Wall

    But this Jackson is better than Wall argument is ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1044895
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     OK… Wall is definitely better than Jackson. I mean, Jackson’s stats are kinda inflated. It’s him and Drummond… and that’s it on that team. Wall is a better leader for his team and he makes his teammates better.

    But I wouldn’t put Wall in my Top 5.

    1. Curry

    2. Westbrook

    3. Paul

    4. Damian Lillard

    5. Kyle Lowry

    6. John Wall

    But this Jackson is better than Wall argument is ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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