[OhCanada-Participant]

Detroit desperately needed shooting around Smith, Drummond and possibly Monroe as a frontcourt. Jennings struggled last year with his shooting percentages because noone could make a shot. His playmaking was also very good but it doesnt show when people cant score.

Meeks averaged 18-ppg in his last 20 games shooting 50% FG and 42% 3pt. He isnt a lockdown defender but he is pesky and committed. His JR year he saw his production double at Kentucky scoring 23-ppg 46% FG and 40% 3pt. He is used to working hard to maximizing his potential and comfortable being relied on to score.

There were shots available last year and there will be this year in Detroits offence. He will get an oppurtunity to score and if history repeats itself he will do fine. Realistically with the large need for shooting Detroit had if he scored 12-ppg on 45% FG and 40% 3PT hitting 2 3pts a game he justifys the 6 mil.

Livingston got 3-yrs 16 mil and people loved it. Meeks got 2 more mil and people are negative about the pickup? Guys like Korver, and Kapono have been paid similar amounts. 6-mil is average price for a shooter although Meeks showed he can score many ways and should make this look like a value deal for Detroit by mid season.

[CavFanPRParticipant]

I think he’ll live up to that contract, he’s young and 6.5 million a year or whatever it is isn’t so bad when you compare it to say, Rudy Gay’s 19 million pay day coming up this season. I wonder why they used their second round pick and an average shooter though, I bet there where plenty of solid shooters available.

[CavFanPRParticipant]

I think he’ll live up to that contract, he’s young and 6.5 million a year or whatever it is isn’t so bad when you compare it to say, Rudy Gay’s 19 million pay day coming up this season. I wonder why they used their second round pick and an average shooter though, I bet there where plenty of solid shooters available.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

The thing is people are wary because he played for D’Antoni, who has a habbit of turning mediocre players look good on offense. 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

The thing is people are wary because he played for D’Antoni, who has a habbit of turning mediocre players look good on offense. 

[celtics1982Participant]

I won’t say he’s overpaid, but the difference from Livingston, is he’s not seen as the missing piece.  Livingston is seen as a player that could help Warriors win a championship, I don’t agree with that, but that’s what some people think.  Meeks shooting will help Detroit, but doesn’t make them a contender. 

[celtics1982Participant]

I won’t say he’s overpaid, but the difference from Livingston, is he’s not seen as the missing piece.  Livingston is seen as a player that could help Warriors win a championship, I don’t agree with that, but that’s what some people think.  Meeks shooting will help Detroit, but doesn’t make them a contender. 

[thunderjerkParticipant]

 While I like Livingston, I thought it was weird that the Warriors were like "MAN WE NEED A BACK POINT GUARD SO BAD" when they already have Iggy and traded for Steve Blake toward the end of the year. 

[thunderjerkParticipant]

 While I like Livingston, I thought it was weird that the Warriors were like "MAN WE NEED A BACK POINT GUARD SO BAD" when they already have Iggy and traded for Steve Blake toward the end of the year. 

[celtics1982Participant]

Livingston is a major upgrade and fits with the team better.  Blake’s best asset is his 3 point shooting, which Warriors don’t need.  Livingston is a very big pg that can defend and cause mismatches, he’s also much more efficient.  Like I said before I don’t think Livingston is the missing piece, but he is a big upgrade over an aging Blake.  Did you know in his last 4 seasons that Blake’s fg% has been below 40% 3 out of the 4 seasons?  He has a career fg% of 40%, while Livingston is at 47% for his career.

[celtics1982Participant]

Livingston is a major upgrade and fits with the team better.  Blake’s best asset is his 3 point shooting, which Warriors don’t need.  Livingston is a very big pg that can defend and cause mismatches, he’s also much more efficient.  Like I said before I don’t think Livingston is the missing piece, but he is a big upgrade over an aging Blake.  Did you know in his last 4 seasons that Blake’s fg% has been below 40% 3 out of the 4 seasons?  He has a career fg% of 40%, while Livingston is at 47% for his career.

[juves4783Participant]

compared to ben gordon getting $9M for 2 years, i don’t think anyone can argue that meeks is getting overpaid…

[juves4783Participant]

compared to ben gordon getting $9M for 2 years, i don’t think anyone can argue that meeks is getting overpaid…

[Jester87Participant]

Gordon has only one year guaranteed, the other is a team option. They signed him for 2 reasons: 1) he’s represented by Oladipo’s agent; 2) he might work as a trade asset for teams looking for cap space and willing to give up picks

[Jester87Participant]

Gordon has only one year guaranteed, the other is a team option. They signed him for 2 reasons: 1) he’s represented by Oladipo’s agent; 2) he might work as a trade asset for teams looking for cap space and willing to give up picks

[ChoppyParticipant]

With yearly increases in the cap, Meeks’ salary (if he gets paid approximately the same each year), will effectively be less and less. By the time he’s 29 in three years this deal will look even better (as long as he’s producing that is. 

Avery Bradley at 8/per

Ben Gordon at 4.5/per

Honestly I’d take Meeks at 6/per even if he’s 1 or 2 mil overpaid, as 

1) Detroit isn’t getting FA’s lining up to sign

2) We have no shooters on the wing. 

And if 6mil is the PREMIUM price, we haven’t broken the bank for it.

[ChoppyParticipant]

With yearly increases in the cap, Meeks’ salary (if he gets paid approximately the same each year), will effectively be less and less. By the time he’s 29 in three years this deal will look even better (as long as he’s producing that is. 

Avery Bradley at 8/per

Ben Gordon at 4.5/per

Honestly I’d take Meeks at 6/per even if he’s 1 or 2 mil overpaid, as 

1) Detroit isn’t getting FA’s lining up to sign

2) We have no shooters on the wing. 

And if 6mil is the PREMIUM price, we haven’t broken the bank for it.

[MattP31Participant]

 I don’t see how Meeks is comparable to Avery Bradley other than that they play the same spot. Yes Bradley can shoot it but he’s much better on the defensive side and he’s a younger guy who is still developing and could keep developing. Not that I’m a fan of paying Bradley $8M a year but it’s hard to see him compared to Meeks.

[MattP31Participant]

 I don’t see how Meeks is comparable to Avery Bradley other than that they play the same spot. Yes Bradley can shoot it but he’s much better on the defensive side and he’s a younger guy who is still developing and could keep developing. Not that I’m a fan of paying Bradley $8M a year but it’s hard to see him compared to Meeks.

[thparadoxParticipant]

These are exactly the type of signings that make no sense. Meeks is a poor defender. He’s a good shooter, but there are plenty of other options which would get you close to 40% 3pt shooting with solid D as well or are younger, or do other things.

e.g. Wesley Johnson, Jordan Farmar, Jordan Hamilton, Udrih, Brian Roberts, Anthony Morrow

You could probably sign 2 of those guys with the money that Meeks is getting.

[thparadoxParticipant]

These are exactly the type of signings that make no sense. Meeks is a poor defender. He’s a good shooter, but there are plenty of other options which would get you close to 40% 3pt shooting with solid D as well or are younger, or do other things.

e.g. Wesley Johnson, Jordan Farmar, Jordan Hamilton, Udrih, Brian Roberts, Anthony Morrow

You could probably sign 2 of those guys with the money that Meeks is getting.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Out of the ones you named, only Morrow would be a reasonable fit for the Pistons. Wes couldn’t put up numbers even on a crappy Lakers team. Farmer, Udrih and Roberts are all PG’s and we have 4 of those already. Hamilton would be ok too I guess but he’s unproven. 

Meeks fit a need, in a position of need and if we overpaid slightly I don’t have a problem with it. I think the signing made a lot of sense actually.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Out of the ones you named, only Morrow would be a reasonable fit for the Pistons. Wes couldn’t put up numbers even on a crappy Lakers team. Farmer, Udrih and Roberts are all PG’s and we have 4 of those already. Hamilton would be ok too I guess but he’s unproven. 

Meeks fit a need, in a position of need and if we overpaid slightly I don’t have a problem with it. I think the signing made a lot of sense actually.

[thparadoxParticipant]

The only time a SG makes sense over a PG is if they can defend their position. Meeks can’t do that… so I’d rather have a dual PG than Meeks, especially at that price.

Having extra PGs who can’t shoot 3s doesn’t help at all, so it’s not relevant that they have backup PGs.

I don’t have a problem when teams overpay slightly for a star, but overpaying a role player with very little upside like Meeks is what really destroys cap flexiblity.

[thparadoxParticipant]

The only time a SG makes sense over a PG is if they can defend their position. Meeks can’t do that… so I’d rather have a dual PG than Meeks, especially at that price.

Having extra PGs who can’t shoot 3s doesn’t help at all, so it’s not relevant that they have backup PGs.

I don’t have a problem when teams overpay slightly for a star, but overpaying a role player with very little upside like Meeks is what really destroys cap flexiblity.

[MattP31Participant]

 Personally I think Meeks is a slight over-pay. Not an awful contract but a bit more than what I’d want to pay for him- and as a Sixers fan I am familiar with his game. I guess if the need is there it is ok to over-pay a little but at the same time it should be interesting to see what other similar guys get this summer.

[MattP31Participant]

 Personally I think Meeks is a slight over-pay. Not an awful contract but a bit more than what I’d want to pay for him- and as a Sixers fan I am familiar with his game. I guess if the need is there it is ok to over-pay a little but at the same time it should be interesting to see what other similar guys get this summer.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 For what he did last season and what it costs to acquire a player that does what he does Detroit got a steal. The actual market not an opinion. Facts.

Facts are Atlanta had to pay Korver 24-Mil for 4-Years. LA Clipps had to pay Redick 27-Mil over 4-Years.

Korver-12-ppg, 2.7-3pm, 47%FG, 47%3pt

Redick-15.2-ppg, 2.1-3pm, 45%FG, 40% 3pt

Meeks-15.7-ppg, 2.1-3pm, 46%FG, 40% 3pt

Korver is 33 years old, Redick is 30 years old, Meeks is 26 years old.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 For what he did last season and what it costs to acquire a player that does what he does Detroit got a steal. The actual market not an opinion. Facts.

Facts are Atlanta had to pay Korver 24-Mil for 4-Years. LA Clipps had to pay Redick 27-Mil over 4-Years.

Korver-12-ppg, 2.7-3pm, 47%FG, 47%3pt

Redick-15.2-ppg, 2.1-3pm, 45%FG, 40% 3pt

Meeks-15.7-ppg, 2.1-3pm, 46%FG, 40% 3pt

Korver is 33 years old, Redick is 30 years old, Meeks is 26 years old.

 

[Jester87Participant]

Korver and Redick are both proven veterans who have some playoffs experience, solid team defenders, and both good passers (Redick is also an excellent secondary ball handler). Both are more versatile as shooters (Meeks doesn’t score much coming off screens, though it’s partly due to the fact D’Antoni doesn’t use them as much as Rivers and Budenholzer) and Redick is not strictly a shooter, he also scores coming off curls, attacking close outs, pulling up on pick and rolls, with cuts. Korver’s shot is a nightmare for opposing defenses, last year the Hawks used him on many sets as a bait to open up driving lanes and cuts for other players, knowing Korver’s assignment is terrified by the idea of helping off him. Meeks last year showed some promise as a cutter and attacking close outs, but right now he’s not as good as the other two and stats posted playing for D’Antoni’s teams should always be taken with grain of salt. I do believe Meeks has the potential to improve as an off the ball defender if he works his butt off and has upside as a more versatile scorer (again, cuts, attacking close outs) and he can become a legit starter on a playoffs team, so he might eventually become worth of that kind of money, but if you ask me right now who I would like to have starting for my team between him or Korver (or between him and Redick) I think it wouldn’t be even close.

[Jester87Participant]

Korver and Redick are both proven veterans who have some playoffs experience, solid team defenders, and both good passers (Redick is also an excellent secondary ball handler). Both are more versatile as shooters (Meeks doesn’t score much coming off screens, though it’s partly due to the fact D’Antoni doesn’t use them as much as Rivers and Budenholzer) and Redick is not strictly a shooter, he also scores coming off curls, attacking close outs, pulling up on pick and rolls, with cuts. Korver’s shot is a nightmare for opposing defenses, last year the Hawks used him on many sets as a bait to open up driving lanes and cuts for other players, knowing Korver’s assignment is terrified by the idea of helping off him. Meeks last year showed some promise as a cutter and attacking close outs, but right now he’s not as good as the other two and stats posted playing for D’Antoni’s teams should always be taken with grain of salt. I do believe Meeks has the potential to improve as an off the ball defender if he works his butt off and has upside as a more versatile scorer (again, cuts, attacking close outs) and he can become a legit starter on a playoffs team, so he might eventually become worth of that kind of money, but if you ask me right now who I would like to have starting for my team between him or Korver (or between him and Redick) I think it wouldn’t be even close.

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