Jerryd Bayless traded to Hornets

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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:35pm #22489

WizardofOz
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Sources say that Jerryd Bayless has been traded to the Hornets for a conditional future first-round pick.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5720436
What do you guys think?
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:49pm #417575

midwestbbscout
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they desparately need anyone who can put the damn ball in the peach basket….
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:49pm #417578

midwestbbscout
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they desparately need anyone who can put the damn ball in the peach basket….
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:50pm #417577

Malik-Universal
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i really want bayless to start somewhere, he def. wont start in NO, damnnnnnn it!!!!!!!
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:50pm #417580

Malik-Universal
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i really want bayless to start somewhere, he def. wont start in NO, damnnnnnn it!!!!!!!
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:52pm #417579

midwestbbscout
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but he will get minutes….and Marcus Thornton could prove to be a flash in the pan and Bayless could end up starting at the deuce….
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 2:52pm #417582

midwestbbscout
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but he will get minutes….and Marcus Thornton could prove to be a flash in the pan and Bayless could end up starting at the deuce….
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:02pm #417587

JNixon
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I like that pickup. Marcus Thornton and Jerryd Bayless is a talented backcourt when it comes to scoring the ball. Thornton looks likely to start, but I could definitely see him playing with the 2nd unit a bunch for N.O. Bayless will get a bunch of time, and I think he will be used like Janerro Pargo was used for them a while back.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:02pm #417590

JNixon
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I like that pickup. Marcus Thornton and Jerryd Bayless is a talented backcourt when it comes to scoring the ball. Thornton looks likely to start, but I could definitely see him playing with the 2nd unit a bunch for N.O. Bayless will get a bunch of time, and I think he will be used like Janerro Pargo was used for them a while back.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:02pm #417589

McWinning
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Bayless might just start over Thorton.
decent move for the Hornets, you cant Paul now though because i like Bayless, but id hesitate to trade a lottery pick for him.
Is it protected at all and what year is it for?
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:02pm #417592

McWinning
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Bayless might just start over Thorton.
decent move for the Hornets, you cant Paul now though because i like Bayless, but id hesitate to trade a lottery pick for him.
Is it protected at all and what year is it for?
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:03pm #417591

llperez
hasnt thornton been garbage in the preseason? Every time i have looked at the boxscore he hasnt done anything. Bellineli has been starting at sg.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:03pm #417593

llperez
hasnt thornton been garbage in the preseason? Every time i have looked at the boxscore he hasnt done anything. Bellineli has been starting at sg.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:06pm #417595

Malik-Universal
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bayless is still raw offensively, but i would love to ssee him start for like the bobcats or sumthin, a team in a need of a starting PG
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:06pm #417598

Malik-Universal
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bayless is still raw offensively, but i would love to ssee him start for like the bobcats or sumthin, a team in a need of a starting PG
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:08pm #417597

llperez
yeah, in 7 pre season games, thornton is averaging 4.6ppg on 18% shooting. I know i know, its just pre season, but daaamnn thats ugly. I dont even think we should be talking about him starting at this point.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:08pm #417599

llperez
yeah, in 7 pre season games, thornton is averaging 4.6ppg on 18% shooting. I know i know, its just pre season, but daaamnn thats ugly. I dont even think we should be talking about him starting at this point.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:11pm #417602

Malik-Universal
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ehhh, still dont think preseason means a whole lot… but yeah, marcus needs to get back his startin 2 spot back, hes better than bellinelli, but hasnt looked like it
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:11pm #417603

Malik-Universal
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ehhh, still dont think preseason means a whole lot… but yeah, marcus needs to get back his startin 2 spot back, hes better than bellinelli, but hasnt looked like it
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:19pm #417607

OldSkoolBasketball
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ooh If the hornets suck this season then the Blazers get a lottery pick for a backup guard.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:19pm #417610

OldSkoolBasketball
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ooh If the hornets suck this season then the Blazers get a lottery pick for a backup guard.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:23pm #417611

midwestbbscout
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he is insurance for Paul either if he gets hurt or they get a good trade offer…..
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:23pm #417614

midwestbbscout
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he is insurance for Paul either if he gets hurt or they get a good trade offer…..
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:25pm #417613

kacey
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Belinelli will be starting at the 2 to start the season.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:25pm #417616

kacey
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Belinelli will be starting at the 2 to start the season.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:34pm #417617

sheltwon3
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I think Bayless could be starting next to Paul. Whoever has Bayless in fantasy draft may have just lucked up. I think a Bayless and Paul pairing can be quite scary and hard to stop. Thornton is nice but he is better as a 6th man. Bayless can play some Point and shooting guard depending on the situation. I am actually excited about New Orleans this season even though I don’t think they will make it to the playoffs but at least they have young players that can grow and do something in the future. Also what is Portland doing. They give up Bayless for a 1st rounder when they really don’t use their first rounders well and they want to get Rudy who wants to leave.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:34pm #417620

sheltwon3
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I think Bayless could be starting next to Paul. Whoever has Bayless in fantasy draft may have just lucked up. I think a Bayless and Paul pairing can be quite scary and hard to stop. Thornton is nice but he is better as a 6th man. Bayless can play some Point and shooting guard depending on the situation. I am actually excited about New Orleans this season even though I don’t think they will make it to the playoffs but at least they have young players that can grow and do something in the future. Also what is Portland doing. They give up Bayless for a 1st rounder when they really don’t use their first rounders well and they want to get Rudy who wants to leave.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:48pm #417621

[email protected]
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they needed a backup PG bad, Bayless should beable to do that and some SG.
I’d love to see them start Marco Beninelli at SG and let bayless and Thorton be the backups. Then when they go small Thornton can play Sf and Bayless Sg.
Bellinelli has been great playng off Paul, he can really hit the 3 and allow Ariza to get lanes to the hoop.
This just allowed NO to replace Collison and made Paul available at the deadlind if Bayless can contribute.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 3:48pm #417624

[email protected]
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they needed a backup PG bad, Bayless should beable to do that and some SG.
I’d love to see them start Marco Beninelli at SG and let bayless and Thorton be the backups. Then when they go small Thornton can play Sf and Bayless Sg.
Bellinelli has been great playng off Paul, he can really hit the 3 and allow Ariza to get lanes to the hoop.
This just allowed NO to replace Collison and made Paul available at the deadlind if Bayless can contribute.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:35pm #417631

The Scare Crow Returns
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Even though he’s not on the Block I think the Hornets should be proactive and make a move soon…why not…they wont be able to resign Paul( he wants to be on a super team) and they’ll never get fair value if they wait it out like The Nuggets are Melo…might as well get a Nice deal now, let the Team renting Paul for the next 2 years give you a bundle of talent and picks and start this rebuild the right way…teams are being burnt by waiting to long to trade unhappy stars…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:35pm #417634

The Scare Crow Returns
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Even though he’s not on the Block I think the Hornets should be proactive and make a move soon…why not…they wont be able to resign Paul( he wants to be on a super team) and they’ll never get fair value if they wait it out like The Nuggets are Melo…might as well get a Nice deal now, let the Team renting Paul for the next 2 years give you a bundle of talent and picks and start this rebuild the right way…teams are being burnt by waiting to long to trade unhappy stars…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:36pm #417633

omphalos
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I wish Bayless had been traded somewhere he could start at PG… NO isn’t quite it. That said, he’ll benefit from being around Paul and as has been said could spend some time at SG. If he were just a little bit taller he’d be a great SG; he has natural scoring instincts.
The thing that has always puzzled me about Bayless’ situation is that he seems like the ideal match for playing with Roy; a scoring guard who can defend opposing 1s, and a ball dominant, playmaking guard in Roy who can defend 2s.
Who knows though, if Paul goes down with injury again Bayless might just get the starting nod and find himself a starting berth somewhere else ala Collison.
Somewhere like Toronto or Charlotte where they need scoring and a PG would be a great fit for him; ah well, hope it all works regardless, and at least he’s out of Portland, which is seeming more and more like a black hole for talented players.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:36pm #417636

omphalos
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I wish Bayless had been traded somewhere he could start at PG… NO isn’t quite it. That said, he’ll benefit from being around Paul and as has been said could spend some time at SG. If he were just a little bit taller he’d be a great SG; he has natural scoring instincts.
The thing that has always puzzled me about Bayless’ situation is that he seems like the ideal match for playing with Roy; a scoring guard who can defend opposing 1s, and a ball dominant, playmaking guard in Roy who can defend 2s.
Who knows though, if Paul goes down with injury again Bayless might just get the starting nod and find himself a starting berth somewhere else ala Collison.
Somewhere like Toronto or Charlotte where they need scoring and a PG would be a great fit for him; ah well, hope it all works regardless, and at least he’s out of Portland, which is seeming more and more like a black hole for talented players.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:42pm #417637

The Scare Crow Returns
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I believe they still have Mills and Koppenen…and NO’s pick may get them a sleeper Pg to back up Miller for one more year…Bayless was a bit of a chucker in Portland…and he was asked to play more of a pure point role…Now in NO I think they’ll have him as a major scoring threat…But to be honest having a PG like Bayless who was highly rated coming out can give the Hornets a green light to make a decent trade for Paul…plenty of Teams would throw them a high pick and young talent for 2 more years of Chris Paul…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:42pm #417640

The Scare Crow Returns
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I believe they still have Mills and Koppenen…and NO’s pick may get them a sleeper Pg to back up Miller for one more year…Bayless was a bit of a chucker in Portland…and he was asked to play more of a pure point role…Now in NO I think they’ll have him as a major scoring threat…But to be honest having a PG like Bayless who was highly rated coming out can give the Hornets a green light to make a decent trade for Paul…plenty of Teams would throw them a high pick and young talent for 2 more years of Chris Paul…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 5:18pm #417643

midwestbbscout
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for talented players like Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge…..they totally blow you’re right….total wasted picks….
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 5:18pm #417646

midwestbbscout
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for talented players like Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge…..they totally blow you’re right….total wasted picks….
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 5:54pm #417649

I NO NOTHING
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worthless trade cp3 thorton bellinelli all ahead of him i guess trade was a smart one by blazers
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 5:54pm #417652

I NO NOTHING
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worthless trade cp3 thorton bellinelli all ahead of him i guess trade was a smart one by blazers
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 6:36pm #417655

McWinning
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Bayless is certainly better than Bellinelli, maybe Thorton.
Hes been somewhat mediocre in the the regular season, but in the playoffs he was given some time and averaged 14 points a game in that series against the Suns.
We all know this guys talented, the problem was he is not a spot up player like Portland wanted him to be, i think hell play a lot better.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 6:36pm #417658

McWinning
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Bayless is certainly better than Bellinelli, maybe Thorton.
Hes been somewhat mediocre in the the regular season, but in the playoffs he was given some time and averaged 14 points a game in that series against the Suns.
We all know this guys talented, the problem was he is not a spot up player like Portland wanted him to be, i think hell play a lot better.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 6:38pm #417657

RUDEBOY_
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Hey..But isnt it Rudy thats suppose to be the 1 getting traded?
Rudy has been playing well this preseason…
But this opens up a roster spot for Patty Mills & also allows them to keep Armon Johnson…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 6:38pm #417660

RUDEBOY_
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Hey..But isnt it Rudy thats suppose to be the 1 getting traded?
Rudy has been playing well this preseason…
But this opens up a roster spot for Patty Mills & also allows them to keep Armon Johnson…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 7:45pm #417679

YurpleHazE
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Ehhhh he’ll be traded around the all star break.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 7:45pm #417682

YurpleHazE
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Ehhhh he’ll be traded around the all star break.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 8:11pm #417685

marcusfizer21
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Jerryd Bayless was totally underutilized in Portland and you can’t blame a team that has too many offensive options for them in Roy, Miller, Aldridge… This move could be a fresh start for Bayless… Him and Paul can make a good combo together…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 8:11pm #417688

marcusfizer21
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Jerryd Bayless was totally underutilized in Portland and you can’t blame a team that has too many offensive options for them in Roy, Miller, Aldridge… This move could be a fresh start for Bayless… Him and Paul can make a good combo together…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 8:41pm #417695

stepback3
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The Portland Oregonian reported that the 2011 first-round pick that the Blazers will receive from New Orleans is protected 1-to-7 in the 2011 draft and 1-to-8 in 2012, 2013 and 2014. The Blazers will thus take ownership of the pick in the June draft as long as it is No. 8 or lower.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 8:41pm #417698

stepback3
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The Portland Oregonian reported that the 2011 first-round pick that the Blazers will receive from New Orleans is protected 1-to-7 in the 2011 draft and 1-to-8 in 2012, 2013 and 2014. The Blazers will thus take ownership of the pick in the June draft as long as it is No. 8 or lower.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 10:19pm #417738

omphalos
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Obviously they have their starters and star players; but until recently they had a number of players who weren’t being used to their full talents and were wasting away with limited minutes, it is only in the past couple of years that they have started to trade away these players and give them a chance.
Off the top of my head players who needed/deserved more minutes;
Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, Webster.
Unfortunately, Rudy is the only one left.
I wasn’t saying they drafted badly, they drafted extremely well and had an incredibly deep team, but if you look at it from the players’ perspectives a lot of them were in a bad situation due to a logjam at their position. I should amend my statement to say that up until recently they were a black hole.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 10:19pm #417750

omphalos
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Obviously they have their starters and star players; but until recently they had a number of players who weren’t being used to their full talents and were wasting away with limited minutes, it is only in the past couple of years that they have started to trade away these players and give them a chance.
Off the top of my head players who needed/deserved more minutes;
Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, Webster.
Unfortunately, Rudy is the only one left.
I wasn’t saying they drafted badly, they drafted extremely well and had an incredibly deep team, but if you look at it from the players’ perspectives a lot of them were in a bad situation due to a logjam at their position. I should amend my statement to say that up until recently they were a black hole.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 12:56am #417748

Cardinal_Fan
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I could definately see Bayless possibly starting, after all the article says Monty Williams is high on Bayless and worked with him in Portland so i think he knows wut he is capable of. I think NO’s 2 guard spot is definately open for competition now
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 12:56am #417760

Cardinal_Fan
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I could definately see Bayless possibly starting, after all the article says Monty Williams is high on Bayless and worked with him in Portland so i think he knows wut he is capable of. I think NO’s 2 guard spot is definately open for competition now
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 7:26am #417795

stanford hoops
I know some of y’all have a love affair with bayless but he’s not gonna start at shooting guard. Great pick up though for the backup pg spot. Belliani has looked good
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 7:26am #417806

stanford hoops
I know some of y’all have a love affair with bayless but he’s not gonna start at shooting guard. Great pick up though for the backup pg spot. Belliani has looked good
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 7:32am #417800

marcusfizer21
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Belliani?
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 7:32am #417809

marcusfizer21
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Belliani?
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:04am #417812

Mr. 19134
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First off all you guys saying that Thornton is better can’t be serious. Thornton is a maxed out prospect. Bayless is still younger then Thornton believe it or not and averaged 14 points in a playoff series. And Thornton has been being schooled by Willie Green in practice since he got on the team. I guarantee on that veteran team that Willie Green will be getting more playing time then Thornton. And Bayless doesn’t really have the wingspan to start at shooting guard next to Paul who is also not blessed with nice height.
Either way I’m happy to see Bayless going to a team that thinks they know how to use him. He’s a pure scorer.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:04am #417822

Mr. 19134
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First off all you guys saying that Thornton is better can’t be serious. Thornton is a maxed out prospect. Bayless is still younger then Thornton believe it or not and averaged 14 points in a playoff series. And Thornton has been being schooled by Willie Green in practice since he got on the team. I guarantee on that veteran team that Willie Green will be getting more playing time then Thornton. And Bayless doesn’t really have the wingspan to start at shooting guard next to Paul who is also not blessed with nice height.
Either way I’m happy to see Bayless going to a team that thinks they know how to use him. He’s a pure scorer.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:10am #417817

JNixon
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Marcus Thornton is better than Willie Green. He’ll play more than Green will. Thornton is also better than Bayless right now and will play more minutes. I really don’t care what Thornton is doing in the preseason, he provides scoring punch and will be an instant offense player even if he doesn’t start. Let’s not forget about what Thornton showed last year as opposed to guys like Bayless and Willie Green. He’s better than them right now
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:10am #417828

JNixon
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Marcus Thornton is better than Willie Green. He’ll play more than Green will. Thornton is also better than Bayless right now and will play more minutes. I really don’t care what Thornton is doing in the preseason, he provides scoring punch and will be an instant offense player even if he doesn’t start. Let’s not forget about what Thornton showed last year as opposed to guys like Bayless and Willie Green. He’s better than them right now
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:41am #417845

Mr. 19134
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I forgot what Thornton did during the season after seeing what Bayless did in the playoffs. And Willie Green is terrible and I do think Thornton is better but Green always find a way to get 20 minutes a game no matter what coach he plays for.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:41am #417856

Mr. 19134
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I forgot what Thornton did during the season after seeing what Bayless did in the playoffs. And Willie Green is terrible and I do think Thornton is better but Green always find a way to get 20 minutes a game no matter what coach he plays for.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:42am #417847

Mr. 19134
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Oh and Thornton is better for Paul to play with because he is a better shooter, Bayless I think is a better purer scorer but thats off the bounce, Paul will be doing all the bouncing.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:42am #417858

Mr. 19134
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Oh and Thornton is better for Paul to play with because he is a better shooter, Bayless I think is a better purer scorer but thats off the bounce, Paul will be doing all the bouncing.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:54am #417857

Grandmama
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I believe Belinelli has started every game this pre-season over Marcus Thornton. Belinelli has also outplayed him throughout. Thornton will be the backup SG to start the season, Bayless backup PG.

I like the trade for Portland, Bayless was withering away on their bench and now they can have Armon Johnson play backup PG.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 8:54am #417868

Grandmama
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I believe Belinelli has started every game this pre-season over Marcus Thornton. Belinelli has also outplayed him throughout. Thornton will be the backup SG to start the season, Bayless backup PG.

I like the trade for Portland, Bayless was withering away on their bench and now they can have Armon Johnson play backup PG.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 9:47am #417897

durantula83
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Not a great change for Bayless. Although he will be the primary backup of Chris Paul, he probably will only see very limited minutes at his natural position, the two. Not only Belinelli and Thornton but also Willie Green will divide the minutes at the two among themselves.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 9:47am #417908

durantula83
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Not a great change for Bayless. Although he will be the primary backup of Chris Paul, he probably will only see very limited minutes at his natural position, the two. Not only Belinelli and Thornton but also Willie Green will divide the minutes at the two among themselves.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 9:54am #417899

RUDEBOY_
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i hear the Blazers coaching staff werent happy with Bayless inconsistency..and when he ran the point he didnt do anything to make his teammates better and he caused too many turnovers..
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 9:54am #417910

RUDEBOY_
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i hear the Blazers coaching staff werent happy with Bayless inconsistency..and when he ran the point he didnt do anything to make his teammates better and he caused too many turnovers..
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 10:01am #417907

McWinning
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Monty Williams loves Bayless, and Bayless was the player he entored the most, there was even an article how Jerryd, and Monty spent hours every day working together in the offseason.
I think its debatable whos better, him or Thorton, but i think he gets 6th man type minutes, hes not gonna start probably, but im guessing about what he did in the playoffs, 14 points, in 27 minutes.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 10:01am #417918

McWinning
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Monty Williams loves Bayless, and Bayless was the player he entored the most, there was even an article how Jerryd, and Monty spent hours every day working together in the offseason.
I think its debatable whos better, him or Thorton, but i think he gets 6th man type minutes, hes not gonna start probably, but im guessing about what he did in the playoffs, 14 points, in 27 minutes.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 3:23pm #418096

IndianaBasketball
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I’m happy for Bayless. Let’s see what he can do with more minutes. His skills need to be utilized like LeAndro Barbosa’s.
I guess this means Patty Mills is safe.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 3:23pm #418106

IndianaBasketball
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I’m happy for Bayless. Let’s see what he can do with more minutes. His skills need to be utilized like LeAndro Barbosa’s.
I guess this means Patty Mills is safe.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 5:09am #418348

mikeyvthedon
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I take that as a compliment, but I will not at all kill him for that statement. Portland is not a blackhole for talent, it just has a lot of young and talented players and really not enough minutes to play them all, which leads to the problems we have seen with Jerryd Bayless and Rudy Fernandez. Nate McMillan is an incredibly hardcore coach, and if you saw or knew about Nate in his playing days, you will know he was incredibly defensive minded. Hence, players like Jerryd and Rudy, young players who would sometimes struggle defensively, sometimes would have a short leash. With Jerryd in particular also, it has become fairly apparent that he is much better suited to be a 2 guard than a point. Jerryd has at times been someone who is just flat out able to get buckets. The problem is, he is not great at creating for others and can at times be a black hole when he does not see anything available. He is kind of an impatient player, but nonetheless I always saw him as a killer. I too really thought he could play with Roy, but honestly, as much as people say Roy is this amazing PG like facillitator, butidonthavemoney made a great point about him as well. Brandon Roy is an SG, that is what he is best at and he needs the ball in his hands quite often. He is a good passer, but at times he only looks straight at that bucket. In many ways Jerryd is a smaller version of Brandon, although much quicker but with less of a shooting touch. While everyone claims Brandon should just play point and let some SG come in, I think Andre Miller running the show with Brandon is a GREAT thing for the Blazers. Sure, Andre is not getting any younger, but the guy will time and time again get the better of his match-up and he is a great floor leader/facillitator. Ideally, Andre not only helps Brandon by letting him play the position he is best at, and I think that also helps out Nicolas Batum, LaMarcus Aldridge and when he is healthy Greg Oden, but until than Marcus Camby. Andre is a very smart player, and I think he will do wonders for the Blazers being their starter for the full year, it was incredibly apparent that he was much better for the team than Steve Blake, who is a great back-up but a much less than ideal starter.
I honestly am not a huge fan of this trade for Portland and think that Jerryd Bayless could be a big pay-off for New Orleans. Honestly, as much as it could be weird defensively, I could see an ultra speedy back court of Chris Paul and Jerryd Bayless being the Hornets most effective duo. I think Monty Williams knows he is getting a killer and someone who could be a big time scorer in this league, either playing a Barbosa type role off the bench or even making things interesting by playing next to CP3. I have a hard time knowing whether Jerryd will develop into a PG you would want running your team, but he is definitely the closest thing to that you would want on the Hornets besides the aforementioned franchise player who might leave town a couple years from now. I would have honestly much preferred Rudy to be the one traded, but I am guessing he and Monty did not see eye to eye on things, otherwise he would be a Hornet as well. To me, Bayless is not something that cures what ails the Hornets, but he will be their most dangerous weapon on offense in the backcourt besides CP3. I really still think he was one of the better players out of that loaded 2008 draft class, and have not given up on him being a player who could average 18-20 per game for a good number of seasons. I always thought he was a killer, and I think if he did not do it on Portland, than he would on some other team. I mean, Darren Collison had a great rookie season last year, but to me there is little reason that Jerryd Bayless could be a score first version of DC. Honestly, he would have really fit in well on Indiana come to think of it, I definitely thought Portland got the better of that Brandon Rush deal. Portland is going to have a tough time finding a scorer in that second unit now, it is really a totally new ball game, and I still am waiting for Rudy to finally get traded somewhere. Portland of course could still get a very high pick in the draft, as the Hornets pick is protected 1-7 next year, and I do not think they will be any lower than 9-10 amongst teams not in the play-offs. Still, while that seems like a decent value trade for a player picked 11th, I highly doubt it. Jerryd really could have been picked higher in the 2008 draft, and that draft’s depth was immense. The chances of the Blazers finding a player who could have potentially done what Jerryd could is very, very slim. Overall, I think the Hornets won this trade, but both teams still have problems they need to address. Portland needs to find a back-up PG, though they have a lot of options and the Hornets still have no depth up front, and that is why I think they will still struggle this year.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 5:09am #418357

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I take that as a compliment, but I will not at all kill him for that statement. Portland is not a blackhole for talent, it just has a lot of young and talented players and really not enough minutes to play them all, which leads to the problems we have seen with Jerryd Bayless and Rudy Fernandez. Nate McMillan is an incredibly hardcore coach, and if you saw or knew about Nate in his playing days, you will know he was incredibly defensive minded. Hence, players like Jerryd and Rudy, young players who would sometimes struggle defensively, sometimes would have a short leash. With Jerryd in particular also, it has become fairly apparent that he is much better suited to be a 2 guard than a point. Jerryd has at times been someone who is just flat out able to get buckets. The problem is, he is not great at creating for others and can at times be a black hole when he does not see anything available. He is kind of an impatient player, but nonetheless I always saw him as a killer. I too really thought he could play with Roy, but honestly, as much as people say Roy is this amazing PG like facillitator, butidonthavemoney made a great point about him as well. Brandon Roy is an SG, that is what he is best at and he needs the ball in his hands quite often. He is a good passer, but at times he only looks straight at that bucket. In many ways Jerryd is a smaller version of Brandon, although much quicker but with less of a shooting touch. While everyone claims Brandon should just play point and let some SG come in, I think Andre Miller running the show with Brandon is a GREAT thing for the Blazers. Sure, Andre is not getting any younger, but the guy will time and time again get the better of his match-up and he is a great floor leader/facillitator. Ideally, Andre not only helps Brandon by letting him play the position he is best at, and I think that also helps out Nicolas Batum, LaMarcus Aldridge and when he is healthy Greg Oden, but until than Marcus Camby. Andre is a very smart player, and I think he will do wonders for the Blazers being their starter for the full year, it was incredibly apparent that he was much better for the team than Steve Blake, who is a great back-up but a much less than ideal starter.
I honestly am not a huge fan of this trade for Portland and think that Jerryd Bayless could be a big pay-off for New Orleans. Honestly, as much as it could be weird defensively, I could see an ultra speedy back court of Chris Paul and Jerryd Bayless being the Hornets most effective duo. I think Monty Williams knows he is getting a killer and someone who could be a big time scorer in this league, either playing a Barbosa type role off the bench or even making things interesting by playing next to CP3. I have a hard time knowing whether Jerryd will develop into a PG you would want running your team, but he is definitely the closest thing to that you would want on the Hornets besides the aforementioned franchise player who might leave town a couple years from now. I would have honestly much preferred Rudy to be the one traded, but I am guessing he and Monty did not see eye to eye on things, otherwise he would be a Hornet as well. To me, Bayless is not something that cures what ails the Hornets, but he will be their most dangerous weapon on offense in the backcourt besides CP3. I really still think he was one of the better players out of that loaded 2008 draft class, and have not given up on him being a player who could average 18-20 per game for a good number of seasons. I always thought he was a killer, and I think if he did not do it on Portland, than he would on some other team. I mean, Darren Collison had a great rookie season last year, but to me there is little reason that Jerryd Bayless could be a score first version of DC. Honestly, he would have really fit in well on Indiana come to think of it, I definitely thought Portland got the better of that Brandon Rush deal. Portland is going to have a tough time finding a scorer in that second unit now, it is really a totally new ball game, and I still am waiting for Rudy to finally get traded somewhere. Portland of course could still get a very high pick in the draft, as the Hornets pick is protected 1-7 next year, and I do not think they will be any lower than 9-10 amongst teams not in the play-offs. Still, while that seems like a decent value trade for a player picked 11th, I highly doubt it. Jerryd really could have been picked higher in the 2008 draft, and that draft’s depth was immense. The chances of the Blazers finding a player who could have potentially done what Jerryd could is very, very slim. Overall, I think the Hornets won this trade, but both teams still have problems they need to address. Portland needs to find a back-up PG, though they have a lot of options and the Hornets still have no depth up front, and that is why I think they will still struggle this year.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 5:24am #418361

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Bayless is a killer, super athletic and works VERY hard… But…
I just think people overrated his potential. He’s impatient. A little selfish. Tunnel Vision. Little to zero PG skills. Little arms, hence not being able to defend the two. He’s the true definition of a tweener.
I think it was time for Portland to move him. With Matthews and Rudy (who’s been playing lights out) coming off of the bench, I don’t think offense will be that much of a problem… As long as they move the ball and hit shots.
Armon Johnson will be the backup point guard. McMillian has a lot of confidence in him. Miller, Johnson and Mills isn’t a bad point guard rotation.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 5:24am #418371

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Bayless is a killer, super athletic and works VERY hard… But…
I just think people overrated his potential. He’s impatient. A little selfish. Tunnel Vision. Little to zero PG skills. Little arms, hence not being able to defend the two. He’s the true definition of a tweener.
I think it was time for Portland to move him. With Matthews and Rudy (who’s been playing lights out) coming off of the bench, I don’t think offense will be that much of a problem… As long as they move the ball and hit shots.
Armon Johnson will be the backup point guard. McMillian has a lot of confidence in him. Miller, Johnson and Mills isn’t a bad point guard rotation.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 7:31am #418437

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As Mikey said Portland could end up with a pick in the 8 to 10 range which in what should be a decent draft could net them a very good young prospect plus throw in their own pick probably in the 20 to 25 range and you have trade up options for GM Rick Cho to pull off a Pritch-slap type deal if he needs to.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 7:31am #418444

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As Mikey said Portland could end up with a pick in the 8 to 10 range which in what should be a decent draft could net them a very good young prospect plus throw in their own pick probably in the 20 to 25 range and you have trade up options for GM Rick Cho to pull off a Pritch-slap type deal if he needs to.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 8:15am #418469

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Another dream
JR. Smith for Marcus Thorton, Green (expiring), and small trade exception
Peja and Gray for Sammie D
Cp3 – Bayless – Shakur
Smith – Bayless – Bellineli
Ariza – Pondexter – Alexander
West – Smith – Okafor
Dalembert – Okafor – Mbenga
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Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 8:15am #418476

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Another dream
JR. Smith for Marcus Thorton, Green (expiring), and small trade exception
Peja and Gray for Sammie D
Cp3 – Bayless – Shakur
Smith – Bayless – Bellineli
Ariza – Pondexter – Alexander
West – Smith – Okafor
Dalembert – Okafor – Mbenga
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