[JazzinSLCParticipant]

If the latest nbadraft.net mock is correct, Cole Aldrich will be coming to the Utah Jazz. I just can’t understand it. If you want to draft a legit center so bad, then why not draft a kid with more upside like Whiteside or even Orton. It’s depressing to me that the Jazz would leave Udoh, and Patterson on the board, and take a slow, unathletic stiff. If this is our pick, for the record, I disapprove. I support the Jazz through thick and thin, but I can’t support this selection if it in fact occurs.

[Michael.S.Participant]

He is not stiff.

Go ahead and take a poor mans Millsap in Patterson… Because you really need that

Udoh, I like though

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

WTF? Slow? Unathletic? Stiff?

I don’t think you have seen Cole Aldrich play. He’s a difference maker. He could be a solid post player and he’s a defensive threat as well. I don’t know why you hate the pick to be honest.

Like I said before, If Aldrich averages 9ppg, 9rpg and 1.3bpg for 10 seasons, it’s a great pick

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Because he’s undersized and takes a bunch of punishment. He also has a tendency to get in foul trouble. If Boozer is gone, we have to find a suitable backup for Paul. He can’t do it alone. Patterson would be a terrific pick. He’s so much more talented then Aldrich, but Udoh is even more talented then either.

How could anyone think Aldrich has more potential then Udoh. Udoh will be a terrific player when he puts on a little bit more weight and gets stronger.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Why R so low on Cole! He is probably the safest pick in the draft. And if ypu want the Jazz to really draft a center, why would you want them to draft Patterson or Udoh. They are not centers. An dif you wanna know why the Jazz should draft Aldrich read Iggy’s scouting report on him.

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/mr7000s-countdown-draft-60-prospects-30-days-8-7

[JNixonParticipant]

I see Aldrich getting about 9-10 ppg with 9 rpg and about 2 bpg next season. I see him being a solid 13 ppg, 10 rpg and 2 block guy for his career. While playing outstanding post D.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Sorry…we can agree to disagree. I’m just not a fan.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

That I like much better.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Who are 9 players better then Cole Aldrich who will be available at the 9th spot?

[JNixonParticipant]

Good looking out JMan on the Scouting report lol

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Then bring Aldrich aboard. I see him being an 8pt 6reb 1bl per game guy in the pros. Maybe if he doesn’t trip over his own feet, he might be able to also set a few decent screens. Udoh will have a better career, once he rounds out.

[torontoraptors10Participant]

Udoh, Orton and Whiteside have more bust potential than Aldrich! Aldrich is a safe pick.

The Jazz got merked by the Lakers frontcourt, you need someone with size and D

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Aminu, Babbitt, George, Patterson, Udoh, Whiteside, and Davis for starters. I’ll throw in Henry also.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Lol…Merked.

Yes, Utah needs someone over 6-10. Fez is a bench player at best. What ever happened to Kosta Kofous?

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

I’m not the conservative type. Being mediocre doesn’t appeal to me. Gasol and Bynum will destroy Aldrich. He isn’t really that tall, and doesn’t weigh that much. He’s also not that quick.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

And Udoh would survive better? No way. Udoh is a combo forward. He is not this big man who could bang down low. He’s finesse.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

not in the NBA…He’s a bench center…6 fouls that’s it….

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Maybe he can defend Bynum in 2 years…But Cole will get dominated for all 4 of his rookie scale seasons and then bye bye…the world doesn’t need another goofy looking 6’9 center…he can wear those funny ass shoes that make him 2 inches taller and fuck his feet up if he wants…he’ll be overseas anyway/….

[JNixonParticipant]

I swear you people do not understand basketball sometimes lol….Even when the answer is like right in front of your face.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Player then Aldrich must be wearing Helen Keller shades.

[McWinningParticipant]

Anyone who thinks Udoh, is gonna be better than Aldrich must be wearing mclovins glasses.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

I wouldn’t play him much at center. He’s more of a power forward. He’s more a Lamar Odom type player.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Who is Udoh better then Aldrich.

Stay in your lane. Aldrich is a banger, that what you need. If Udoh will never be a banger- Why take him? You don’t need Lamar Odom

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

From the Jazz crowd attending the draft party, if they call out Aldrich’s name.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

But Udoh is much more versatile, and can do more things out on the floor. I’m not looking for a banger with the ninth pick. The Jazz could find that type of player in free agency. I might be mistaken, but I believe Udoh had a higher shot blocking average last season then Aldrich. And he doesn’t just stand in one spot under the rim. Like a Kirilenko, he’s capable of causing chaos all over the floor. His offensive game is much more developed. He’s got more range on his jumper, and runs the floor very well. He’s also got like a 7’4 inch wingspan. Outside of Whiteside, I don’t think anyone else in this draft is that long.

[White ChocolateParticipant]

Aldrich isn’t too bad, but there is 5 guys that I like more than him and they are Babbitt, Hayward, Henry, Patterson, and Sanders. If the Jazz draft one of those guys I will be happy.

[FDAPO]

If Babbit is still on the board, the Jazz better take him…… However, if the current top 8 are all gone, I might have to agree with the Aldrich pick.

[White ChocolateParticipant]

I like Aldrich more than I like Udoh the thing that scares me about Udoh is that he is 23…

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Like I said before, Stay in your lane.

To find a banger is tough in FA. You will have to overpay for one most likely because alot of teams need bangers.

I think the odds of finding a guard in FA are way better then finding a big/ wind in FA.

Plus, Aldrich is the better player. Udoh has done this in one season. Aldrich as a freshman, got PT in the Final Four and Title game. He had a monster triple double vs Dayton two seasons ago and the only reasons his numbers were down? Xavier Henry. He took the 3rd option role at KU. I think he could be underrated as a prospect. I think Utah should

Draft Cole Aldrich and sign Joe Alexander, Drew Gooden and maybe get pieces back in a S&T for Boozer.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Aldrich is the type of player that Sloan would like. Decent odds they draft him. But for people who think he’s going to be the answer to beating teams like the Lakers…dream on.

[FDAPO]

Jazz, you seem to not understand that you can’t always get a superstar with the 9th pick of the draft. People look too much into potential.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Your team is picking for floor not cieling, if they pick for a players cieling Williams gets upset, and as you know if he really wants out hes gone.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

When you draft that way, you end up with Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan. I believe in drafting the guy whose left on the board who has the most potential to be great. Aldrich is clearly not THAT player at number 9. He’s pretty much a finished product all ready. He doesn’t have the size, weight, or skill set to go against the Dwight Howard’s and Pau Gasol’s. I’d rather draft a guy who has a chance to get better, if there willing to put in the work.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

The Jazz have been nothing but great to Deron Williams. They drafted him over Chris Paul, they gave him the keys to the Ferrari, and awarded him a huge contract. He just needs to run the team on the floor, and let the front office handle the rest. If he wants to leave so badly…then there is the door. I don’t think a player, no matter how great they may be, should be allowed to hold a team hostage. You can’ t have the inmates running the asylum. I’m tired of the Jazz trying to kiss Mr. Williams ass.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I’m tired of the Jazz trying to kiss Mr. Williams ass.

Get used to it, your GM’s gonna be doing it for the next 6-8 seasons

[Captain LParticipant]

All these guys that want the Jazz to draft Aldrich may be NBA fans put they aren’t real Jazz fans!!! Nobody with an eye for talent would say Aldrich is a better prospect than Udoh or Monroe or Patterson.
Knicksboy32 & Iggy what is it that makes Aldrich so good in your eyes? He isn’t fast, quick, strong, no hops, he has a terrible looking shot, he is shorter than most centers, he only weighs like 234 lbs, he doesn’t have the bulk to bang in the NBA, he isn’t even close to being like Perkins, (Orton is). He has done 2 things of interest in college, he has been a pretty good shot blocker and decent rebounder but he won’t be able to do either as well in the NBA. Your arguements are laughable, they don’t make any sense.
Both Fess and KK are bigger, stronger, and have more potential.
Udoh played in the same conference as Aldrich and was the leading rebounder and shot blocker. In my book the Jazz need a PF that is a defensive minded, shot blocker. Udoh is that and much more. Watch the Jazz top scouts comments on Udoh on nba.com / Jazz.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

Or even Jordan trying to meddle so much in front office affairs. It’s like todays player, whether it’s James, or Bryant, or Williams, or whoever else, feels like they should have some sense of entitlement or power that previous generations of players didn’t have. If I were Cleveland, I would offer LeBron the best deal I could (financially), but I wouldn’t let him dictate who would be coaching the team, or having power in making personnel decisions. Management needs to take back the power, and say, players play, coaches coach, and front office decisions are made by front office people. If you think the grass is really that much greener somewhere else, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Whatever happened to loyality. Guys who played most of their careers with one team.

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

And I’m tired of the whining. I think the league needs a lockout, and I think the players need to get put back in their place. Stern holds all the cards anyway. In the end, he’s going to get most of whatever it is he want’s.

[plasticmanParticipant]

I’ve been lurking around these boards for about a month, and I swear some of you people really scare me.

The Jazz need a physical defensive presence in the paint not a damn combo forward or a guy that rode the bench as a freshman last year. Cole Aldrich is perfect for them. He is in no way a stiff, not all white guys from kansas are stiffs, he can move his feet and has a really good shooting touch as well. Not to mention his game changing defense and rebounding.

The only post player they should even consider is Whiteside, but I wouldn’t even do that. He is soft and shys away from contact, and is very raw. Something tells me Jerry Sloan doesn’t want a player like that. Aldrich on the other hand is ready to contibute and bang in the paint with the best of them. I predict many double-double seasons in his future, along with a couple blocks.

You can’t really expect anything more with your pick. You won’t be getting a superstar.

[bobforteParticipant]

i think cole would be a decent pick for the jazz but i honestly think that if orton is healthy he would be a better pick. Orton is also a tough nosed kid but has a little more potential the aldrich. I see Orton as a pj brown type player who is going to rebound, play defense, and work hard. That to me seems like the Jazz type of player. I dont necessarily think picking aldrich is going to be a terrible pick but will they be passing up better talent yes, (not saying if they picked orton there wouldn’t be better talent). Will he fit with the team and what they do sure but again i think orton if healthy (which is a question) is a better pick.

[kanyedabestParticipant]

holy damn are you guys insane if u see him being a solid contributor in the nba. If i was a jazz a fan i would be crying after this pick. He is your stereotypical white post, he is gonna struggle in the L against stronger more athletic players. yall can dock me all the points u want but u guys will the fools when he is bust, actually scratch tht cuz i expect nothing from him anyways

[plasticmanParticipant]

He weighs about 230 right now, that means he will easily hit 250 in a couple years…so what makes you think he isn’t strong enough?

Rebounding almost always translates to the next level, and with his long ass arms I’m sure the shotblocking will too. He is a 7 footer with his wingspan. So tell me why he can’t do that in the L.

None of you have given any real reason why he won’t succeed. There are players with far less athleticism with him who have become good players.

[Bison 49Participant]

Supposedly Orton’s knees are a big concern. I forget where I read it, I think Hoopshype, but he had problems in high school, and appears to still have problems now. Previous health concerns are one thing, but predicted future health concers (knee) are bad sign. Also, watching video on these two guys, Aldrich looks more athletic then Orton, given Orton’s knee issues.

Aldrich would be a better pick at this time, because right now he is what Orton would be in two years, assuming his knees are not a problem. He has some strength to add, but with NBA conditioning programs he should get much better.
The major concern for the Jazz should be his shot. While it has been effecive some times, the form make it inconsistent.

A player like Udoh would be helpful for the team to have, but long athletic 4s are becoming much more prevalent than low Post thugs with size (over 7’2 standing reach), smarts (avoids fouls when blocking shots/playing defense), rebounding, and the potential to contribute offensively. Draft express calls him a rich Joel Pryzbilla, but how about 90% of Andrew Bogut on defense and the boards, and 75% of him on offense (Could be much better with D Will). Would you take that at the 9th pick?

[JazzinSLCParticipant]

As good a rebounder, a better scorer, and a little more versatile. Check the stats from last season. He’s also a better passer. Udoh improved dramatically from his soph to junior season, while if anything Aldrich slightly digressed from his play the previous year. Also, didn’t you guys watch Udoh in the NCAA tournament? His play didn’t impress you at all?
Really? He impressed the hell out of me. I don’t even know if Aldrich is the best player on his college team. I see him being a Przybilla type player in the NBA. Yipee…we drafted Joel Pryzbilla with a lottery pick. That’s bound to help sell season tickets. I see Udoh being a Luol Deng (worst case) /Lamar Odom (best case) type player. That’s sound to me more like what a top 10 pick should be.

[plasticmanParticipant]

Jazzin….How can you say that Aldrich wasn’t the best player on his team and hold that against him? His squad was far more deep and talented, I don’t care how good Baylor played last season.

Also saying that he Udoh is a better shot blocker, rebounder, and scorer is a little absurd, or at least speculative. You wanna look at stats lets do that:

Rebounds: Both averaged 9.8

Points: Aldrich: 11.3, Udoh: 13.9

Blocks: Exactly the sam basically, Udoh got 3.7 to Aldrich’s 3.5…a .2 difference

MINUTES: Udoh played over 35 minutes per game, while Aldrich played only 26.8

Conclusion: Cole Aldrich was SUPERIOR in all 3 statistical categories when he was on the court.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Ekpe Udoh shouldn’t even be drafted in the top 10. He produced one season of good numbers at age 23. He has potential but not as much as you think. You want Lamar Odom ( at best) you take him then.

Players like Cole Aldrich are what seperate the great and good players in the NBA. You wanna “sell tickets” and such. There’s a reason why players like Kendrick Perkins, NeNe, Adrien Biedrens, Robin Lopez and even Ben Wallace in the earlier days were starters and are perfect: They know there role and do it well.

I don’t agree we what you think personally. I think at the 9th pick, It should be between Cole Aldrich, Ed Davis and Hassan Whiteside. I would take Cole Aldrich because in Utah’s position: Your getting another 2 1st round picks in 2011 and AK47’s deal is off the books. I would bring in the constant first before adding the variable. That’s just me.

[Captain LParticipant]

I’m glad your not picking for the Jazz!!! I would give Aldrich his dues if I could see it, but I don’t see it . He is slow, can’t jump, has a terrible shot, there is no way his shot will be effective in the NBA, watch him shoot, terrible. He is very limited with his moves, he isn’t strong, he’s short for a center, weighs around 234, no way he is banging at that weight. What he did in the way of banging in college will be totally different in the Pros. He was one of the bigger guys on the floor every game in college, but in the NBA he will be one of the smaller and lighter guys, no way he will be as effective.
Everyone wants to say the Jazz need him in the middle, I would agree if I thought it was time to abandon Fes and KK but I don’t, both of them are better than Aldrich. Both of them are taller, and bigger and can bang better. If what your wanting is a banger.
Whiteside has alot of potential and I was high on him 2 or 3 weeks ago, until I started reading everything I could about him and found out he is a head case, weak, not a fighter, aragant without cause, takes bad shots, and several other things I can’t remember. The accumulation of things I heard and learned turned me off and I no longer want to take the chance on him. If he develops and becomes great (which he could) then someone will be smiling. Not me though.
Davis is a very good athlete, with good hops and good speed but he doesn’t have an offensive game, he can’t score unless he is inside 7 ft, no outside shot. he doesn’t have handles, not a good passer. plays like a center but only weighs something like 222, he has narrow shoulders and doesn’t look like he can fill out and put on much weight. Project to say the least.
NeNe, Biedriens, Lopex and Wallace are all good athletes, Aldrich isn’t anything like them. I’d say he has the potential to develop if he had their athleticism but he doesn’t.
This draft will be interesting to see who develops and who doesn’t. I’ve watched, played and coached BBall for 50+ yrs and I don’t see the talent in Aldrich some of you are talking about.

[cycloParticipant]

Cole Aldrich is destined to be a lottery BUST in the tradition of Eric Montross, Todd Fuller and Joel Pryzbilla. How is that a “safe pick” for the Jazz at #9 in the lottery?

Aldrich measured only 6-9 in socks, which is shorter than every center on the Jazz roster and 3 inches shorter than Ostertag.

He weighs 236 lbs.

His no step vertical leap is a whopping 23 inches.
His max vertical leap is 28 inches, which is lead-footed.

He simply cannot score (9.4 ppg in college) and won’t score at the NBA level. Isn’t much of a passer either. Averaged less than 1 assist per game in college. 0.6 to be exact.

Aran Smith compares Aldrich to Eric Montross/Joel Pryzbilla. The comparison is accurate. See their career numbers in college.

Eric Montross, North Carolina, 7-0
11.7 ppg 6.8 rpg 0.6 apg 1.2 bpg 58.5 fg%

Joel Pryzbilla, Minnesota, 7-1
9.9 ppg. 6.9 rpg. 1.9 apg. 3.3 bpg. 59.1 fg%

Cole Aldrich, Kansas, 6-10
9.4 ppg. 7.7 rpg. 0.6 apg. 2.3 bpg. 57.4 fg%

Aldrich is the most offensively-challenged of the three, averaging the fewest points per game and the lowest field goal%.

A 3 inch shorter version of Ostertag?

Final season scoring in college:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

The offensively-challenged one.

A worse offensive player than Montross and Pryzbilla? Yep.

Just what the Jazz need in the lottery? Nope.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Like I said before.

Players like Cole Aldrich are what seperate the great and good players in the NBA. You wanna “sell tickets” and such. There’s a reason why players like Kendrick Perkins, NeNe, Adrien Biedrens, Robin Lopez and even Ben Wallace in the earlier days were starters and are perfect: They know there role and do it well.

This is the difference between teams like LA and Utah. The difference is that you fans just won’t stay in your lane.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Q, you keep spoutin off about fans not staying in lanes… what are you talkin about dude… Cole Adlrich is not what separates great and good players in the NBA. he will NOT be a GREAT player if that’s what you’re saying. He’ll be decent.

He needs to get a better J if he’s going to fit into the JAzz system. (Not that Udoh was very efficient as a jump shooter last season) I’d take Patterson over both those guys.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Hassan Whiteside is not the answer either. That kid will NEVER do well under Sloan. Sloan wold quit before he coached that kid. LOL. That kid was afraid of playing real competition so he went to Marshall.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

if you wanna see someone that really hates aldrich, the yahoo mock draft has aldrich goin 21!!!! lol

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

WRONG, Whiteside was a late recruit. He had offers to WVU and UK but chose Marshall because he felt like it was home and he wanted to play right away.

Plus- Sloan wouldn’t quit, he would work with him like a coach is supposed to do. Aldrich is a good player. I believe he will be a starter. He plays hard and he will do what he has to do to win.

You take the 6-9 Patterson, Good Luck vs LA.

[JoeWolf1]

cyclo I love your reasoning on why Aldrich is going to be a bust, you just spew stats and I’m confident you haven’t seen him play or if you have maybe once or twice. Aldrich didn’t get many touches his junior season, because Sherron Collins and Xavier Henry were the 1st and 2nd options for KU. 11.3 ppg for a 3rd option in college is pretty solid, plus before KU added Henry in Aldrich’s sophomore season he averaged 14.9 ppg because he got more touches and played more minutes. Your cumulative stats are pointless in regards to Aldrich because he played very little his freshman season, on a stacked national championship team with 3 post players drafted in 2008. In his limited minutes he managed to get playing time in the Final 4 including a dominating defensive performance off the bench against Tyler Hansbrough. If you want to shoot stats, what bout 3.7 blocks per game in the Big 12 in only abou 27 minutes per game. 71% free throw shooter in college and in his two seasons as a starter

13.1 ppg 10.45 rpg 3.1 bpg 57.5 fg % 73.5% ft – is a much more accurate gage on his performance in college

2 time Big 12 defensive player of the year, triple double in the NCAA tournament,

and when comparing Aldrich to your gang of white guys with flat tops his free throw percentage indicates his skill offensively is better than his ppg stats look on paper at the same time is shot blocking is significantly higher

Ostertag – 60%——-blocks final season in college – 91
Montross -62%——–blocks final season in college – 62
Przybilla – 62%——–blocks final season in college – 81
Aldrich – 71%———-blocks final season in college – 125

You can’t rely too heavily on comparisons with other players (especially when your only comparing him to dudes with flat tops), because Aldrich is a different player, and a much better defender and post player than anyone you’ve comapred him to. I don’t think he’ll ever make an all-star team, but I think he’ll be in the top 10 in blocks per game throughout his career and when he hits is prime I think he’ll be a 8+ rebound per game player.

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[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

a true competitor would never pick Marshall over West Virginia or Kentucky. Period. I don’t care if you feel more at home there.

Height isn’t everything. Look at Paul Millsap. I’m not sayin’ Patterson and Millsap is gonna get it done, but neither is Aldrich and Millsap. If you think Aldrich is the answer to Bynum and Gasol, you’re wrong. Patterson fits the Jazz system better, IMO

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

If Cole Aldrich turns out to be Pryzbilla the team that drafts him will be happy. That’s what aldrich is gonna do- grab rebounds, play solid D, hit a high % on putbacks… I don’t think he has what it takes to hang with the best bigs in the league, though.

[Captain LParticipant]

All I can say to all you Aldrich lovers is , you go ahead and draft him for your team and be happy with him. I’ll take Udoh or Patterson as PF’s and we’ll see who ends up happier.
I can’t believe some people’s eye for talent & potential!! In regards to talent, & potential what is it that some of you define as talent & define as potential. Maybe we’re not agreeing on what talent or potential, is.

[JNixonParticipant]

Lol, Aldrich will be a perfect pick for them. Easily a better fit than Patterson. They need size, defense, and rebounding down low. And Aldrich also provides a good pick and roll player for the Jazz’s system. He’s not superstar, but he’s the kind of role-player that’s perfect if you’re trying to build for a title. He’s like Kendrick Perkins, but with a better scorer.

[JNixonParticipant]

You like Kosta Koufas and Fesenko, and question other people’s eye for talent?

[JoeWolf1]

Ha!!! I guess I don’t know anything about talent or potential, OH wait! potential gets a lot of teams in a lot of trouble ask

Darko Milicic
Stromile Swift
Julian Wright
Marcus Haislip
Joe Alexander
Kwame Brown
Michael Olawakandi

Just because a guy can’t jump out of the gym doesn’t mean he can’t play nor does that mean he doesn’t have potential. Udoh is 23 and Patterson isn’t going to do anything defensivly against Gasol or Bynum. I agree with Iggy if your building a team you want to compete for a title why is drafting a defensive center at #9 so outrageous?

[cycloParticipant]

Darko Milicic
Stromile Swift
Julian Wright
Marcus Haislip
Joe Alexander
Kwame Brown
Michael Olowokandi
Eric Montross
Todd Fuller
Joel Pryzbilla
Cole Aldrich

[JoeWolf1]

By your reasoning this should be a better arguement

Dikembe Mutombo college stats- 9.9 ppg 8.6 rpg
Joakim Noah college stats – 10.5 ppg 6.4 rpg
Al Horford college stats – 10.3 ppg 7.9 rpg
Robin Lopez college stats – 9.0 ppg 5.6 rpg
Cole Aldrich college stats – 9.4 ppg 7.7 rpg

[cycloParticipant]

Cole Aldrich measured just 6’9″ in socks. That college shot blocking? Like Ekpe Udoh and Jarvis Varnado, ain’t gonna happen in the NBA.

He’s shorter than Channing Frye.

Height:
Frye 6’9.5″
Aldrich 6’9″

He’s weaker than Channing Frye.

Bench press:
Frye 19 reps
Aldrich 10 reps (same as Gordon Hayward)

He can’t jump as high as Channing Frye (and we all know what a great leaper Frye is).

No step vertical
Frye 27.5 inches
Aldrich 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye 31 inches
Aldrich 28 inches

Underzised.
Unathletic.
Offensively-challenged.

Cole Aldrich averaged fewer points in college than the immortal Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. His college game won’t translate to the NBA, except as a backup C good for 6 fouls.

[JoeWolf1]

All you do is spew stats, man. Your logic is flawed, just please admit you’ve never seen him play or if you have more than once or twice. Tell me instances that you’ve seen that make you come to these conclusions. Combine stats comparing him to Channing Frye?

Dikembe Mutombo averaged fewer points in college than the immortal Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla, so what?
Joakim Noah averaged fewer rebounds in college than the immortal Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla, so what?

I get it, Aldrich isn’t the most glamorous pick, but he’s effective and can play good defense at an NBA level, tell me you’ve seen him play and give me real examples and I’ll shut up, but citing the combine and his draftexpress profile isn’t going to change my mind on anything.

[cycloParticipant]

As college players, Cole Aldrich had a worse final season offensively than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. I posted their college career numbers, then their final season numbers, wbich reveal a bust in the making.

Final season scoring in college:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

A worse offensive player than Montross and Pryzbilla? Yep.

The offensively-challenged one.

An undersized, unathletic C who can’t score is called a backup C.

[JoeWolf1]

You didn’t site game examples or tell me games you’ve seen him play. You’re very opinionated about him so I assume you’d have tons of game examples in which you could site. He’s not a perfect player, and he has weaknesses, but you’ve never denied that you’ve never seen him play.

[cycloParticipant]

In addition to college career numbers, you have to consider a player’s final college season, plus size, skills, athleticism and how he projects at an NBA position.

Robin Lopez 7’0″
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Skilled inside player.
Athletic for big man

Dikembe Mutombo 7’2″
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled

Joakim Noah 6’11”
Ideal size for NBA PF/C
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very athletic
Skilled inside player and passer

Al Horford 6’10”
Ideal size for NBA PF
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled.
Very athletic.
Very strong.

Unlike these players, Cole Aldrich does not translate well to the NBA.
He doesn’t have the offensive skills of Mutombo, Horford and Noah.
He doesn’t have the ideal C size of Mutombo 7’2″, Lopez 7’0″ and Noah 6’11.5″.
He doesn’t have the athleticism of Horford, Noah and Lopez.

College means nothing if a player doesn’t translate well to the NBA and Cole Aldrich doesn’t translate well, except as a backup C good for 6 fouls.

He measured 6’9″ in socks, which makes him shorter than Channing Frye in socks.

He can’t jump. Channing Frye is a better leaper according to the no step vertical and max vertical testing.

His college shot blocking will translate to the NBA about as well as Ekpe Udoh’s, Jarvis Varnado’s and Stephane Lasme’s, which isn’t very well at all.

He’s a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla.

All of this doesn’t bode well for the team that makes the mistake of drafting him.

[cycloParticipant]

In addition to college career numbers, you have to consider a player’s final college season, plus size, skills, athleticism and how he projects at an NBA position.

Robin Lopez 7’0″
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Skilled inside player.
Athletic for big man

Dikembe Mutombo 7’2″
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled

Joakim Noah 6’11”
Ideal size for NBA PF/C
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very athletic
Skilled inside player and passer

Al Horford 6’10”
Ideal size for NBA PF
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled.
Very athletic.
Very strong.

Unlike these players, Cole Aldrich does not translate well to the NBA.

He lacks the offensive skills of Mutombo, Horford and Noah.
He lacks the ideal C size of Mutombo 7’2″, Lopez 7’0″ and Noah 6’11.5″.
He lacks the athleticism of Horford, Noah and Lopez.

College means nothing if a player doesn’t translate well to the NBA and Cole Aldrich doesn’t translate well, except as a backup C good for 6 fouls.

He measured 6’9″ in socks, which makes him shorter than Channing Frye in socks.

He can’t jump. Channing Frye is a better leaper.

No step vertical
Frye 27.5 inches
Aldrich 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye 31 inches
Aldrich 28 inches

His college shot blocking will translate to the NBA about as well as Ekpe Udoh’s, Jarvis Varnado’s and Stephane Lasme’s, which isn’t very well at all.

He’s a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. Compare their final college seasons:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

A worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla? Yep. All of this doesn’t bode well for the team that makes the mistake of drafting him.

[JNixonParticipant]

LOL why won’t you answer JoeWolf’s question? Have you seen him play more than 1 or 2 times?? He also hasn’t seen Luke Babbitt play, all he does is put up stats Joe Wolf, don’t worry about it.

[McWinningParticipant]

Did you really say he doesnt have the offensive skills of Dikembe Mutumbo? thats about as stupid as John Bryant on a hangover.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Comparing Frye to Aldrich is foolish. Those guys play nothing alike. Frye was always a skinny jump shooting PF. That is definitely not Aldrich at all.

[cycloParticipant]

The 6’9″ Aldrich doesn’t have the offensive skills of Dikembe Mutombo coming out of college, nor the size. Got it?

Unlike Aldrich, Dikembe Mutombo had good offensive skills coming out of college. Plus great size, rebounding and shot blocking skills.

Final year at Georgetown:
Dikembe Mutombo 15.2 ppg. 12.2 rpg. 1.6 apg. 4.6 bpg. 58.6% fg. 70.3% ft.

First year in NBA:
Dikembe Mutombo 16.6 ppg. 12.3 rpg. 2.2 apg. 3.0 bpg. 49.3% fg. 64.2% ft.

Cole Aldrich is nowhere near the C prospect that the 7’2″ Mutombo was across the board.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

That’s fine cyclo, he’s not as good of a prospect as one of the best defensive centers in the game during the 90s, and early 00s…. just because he isn’t as good of a prospect doesnt mean he cant be a decent big.. that’s bad logic.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Also, his Soph yr, when they needed him to score more, he put up 15, 11, on 60% shooting.

[JoeWolf1]

My point in comparing him to Mutombo was purely to discredit your style of judging a player only by numbers. Comparing Aldrich to Mutombo only by stats is just as ridiculous as comparing him to Montross by the same system. How many times have you seen him play, again?

[marcusfizer21Participant]

Just because he looks like Eric Montross doesn’t mean he’ll play like one… I definitely think he’ll be a solid center in the league… I think everybody here can say he’s a very coachable guy… I can’t hear Bill Self complaining too much about him… The Jazz are going to be a much better low post team with Aldrich around…

My take is simple: Just give Aldrich a chance to prove himself… I think he’s going to shock you in a lot of ways cyclo… If I’m wrong, then I guess it’ll prove how dumb I am when it comes to scouting prospects…

[cycloParticipant]

Channing Frye?

Aldrich weighs less than Frye

Weight:
Frye: 244
Aldrich: 236

Aldrich is shorter than Frye

Height:
Frye” 6’9.5″
Aldrich: 6’9″

Aldrich is weaker than Frye

Bench press
Frye: 19 reps
Aldrich: 10 reps (same as Gordon Hayward)

Aldrich is a worse leaper than Frye (and we all know what a great leaper Frye is).

No step vertical
Frye: 27.5 inches
Aldrich: 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye: 31 inches
Aldrich: 28 inches

Add this to the fact that Aldrich is undersized and a worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla were coming out of college:

Final college season:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

A worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla? Yep.

All of this doesn’t bode well for the team that makes the mistake of drafting Cole Aldrich. He’s just not a good prospect for a starting C position. Maybe a backup C.

[JoeWolf1]

So I’ll take that as you’ve never seen him play…ever

i’m finished cyclo, I think I’ve proven all I need to

I’m glad real NBA scouts don’t rely only on draftexpress.com and basketball-reference.com

[marcusfizer21Participant]

Don’t waste your time… Let’s just sit back and relax while we wait for Game 7 of the Finals… LOL

[JoeWolf1]

Lol, sounds good Fizer

[marcusfizer21Participant]

who are you rootin for?

[wesleymatthews23Participant]

Dont worry about who this site has the Jazz picking. They always get it wrong. Last year they had us picking Jrue Holiday, well all that never happened. At least they got the right position which wasn’t too hard considering how many PG were in last year’s draft. Right now I believe the decision is between Udoh, Aldrich, Henry, and Babbitt. I think Babbitt is at the top.

[JoeWolf1]

I’m going for the Celts, but it’s gonna be tough to rebound from that beatdown, you?

[marcusfizer21Participant]

same… Don’t like Lakers winning everything…LOL… I think KG and the gang can get back from that beatdown… I just can’t wait for game 7… Never say never…

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

the Celtics loveeee to bounce back from beatdowns… after game 1 it didnt look like they had a chance then they went on to win 3 of the next 4. they also got their behinds whipped by Cavs and bounced back from that… i’m so pissed, im gonna be on a plane LEAVING LA thursday night so i wont even get to watch.

[jazznationpresidentParticipant]

But I did watch the YouTube remix of bailer and Kansas. Didn’t look like udoh did much there. If udoh is so much beeter a p respect he should have dominated but he didn’t.

[jazznationpresidentParticipant]

But I did watch the YouTube remix of bailer and Kansas. Didn’t look like udoh did much there. If udoh is so much beeter a p respect he should have dominated but he didn’t.

[cycloParticipant]

You haven’t proven anything, while I’ve supported my position on Cole Aldrich being a bust in the making with numerous physical and statistical facts.

You see, it’s not just about stats. It’s about Aldrich being…

1. Too undersized for the NBA center position at 6-9 in socks, 6-10 in shoes
2. Too unathletic to compensate for his lack of size (just 23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical)
3. Not physically strong enough to compensate for his lack of athleticism (just 10 reps on bench press — same as Gordon Hayward)

I used Channing Frye as a size, strength and athleticism comparison only. You’ve seen Channing Frye on a basketball court. How about a center who’s shorter, weaker and less athletic? Say hello to Cole Aldrich.

His college shot blocking won’t translate to the NBA, since he doesn’t have the height (6-9) or athleticism (23 inch no step vert) to be a top shot blocker at the NBA level.

1. Dwight Howard 6-11 athletic leaper
2. Andrew Bogut 7-0 height
3. Greg Oden 7-0 height
4. Josh Smith 6-8 athletic leaper
5. Brendan Haywood 7-0 height
6 Marcus Camby 7-0 height, athletic
7. Chris Andersen 6-10 athletic leaper
8. Samuel Dalembert 6-11 height, athletic
9. Pau Gasol 7-0 height, athletic
10 Brook Lopez 7-0 height

All of these shot blockers are better leapers than Cole Aldrich. Most are taller. To be a top shot blocker in the NBA generally requires either great height or great leaping ability and Aldrich has neither at 6-9 with a 23 inch no step vertical.

So if Cole Aldrich is undersized, unathletic, can’t score (fewer ppg in college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla) and won’t be a top shot blocker in the NBA, then he’s not worth a lottery pick! Maybe worth a late first or second round pick for a team in need of a backup center, but that’s it. You’re wasting your lottery pick if you use it to draft Cole Aldrich. I don’t think the Jazz will make that mistake.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

height actually has nothing to do with it. What matters is wingspan and standing reach. Aldrich actually has nearly a 7’5″ wingspan and a 9’3″ standing reach. He measures out an inch longer in both of those categories compared to Bogut.

He also has a slightly longer wingspan compared to oden, but a slightly shorter standing reach.

sit down. lol

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

double post

[plasticmanParticipant]

You keep throwing out these completelt irrellevant stats comparing Aldrich to other players. Aldrich’s height or whatever the hell you said compared to Frye means absolute nothing. These kinds of lame arguements are getting you nowhere.

You are completely ignoring some very important attributes Cole has that some of the players you mentioned lacked. Aldrich plays a very energetic game out there and has a high motor. He also loves contact and will possibly be able to get to 260 plus making him more than capable of banging in the paint with anyone…Channing Frye brings none of that to the table

You are crazy if you think Noah has a better offensive game than Aldrich, I can garauntee you that he has better touch on his post moves, and better footwork than Noah. Aldrich has a better jumper as well.

Another thing people seem to forget about is that Cole’s wingspan makes him play like hes over 7 feet tall. I mean come on does it really matter if hes listet at 6’10 or 6’11? Pretty sure Theo Ratliff and Alonzo mourning were not legit 7 footers, more like 6’9 barefoot i’d guess.

[cycloParticipant]

Does Channing Frye have great C size, strength and athleticism?

Aldrich is shorter (6-9), physically weaker and less athletic.

Motor? Jon Brockman has a great motor for a PF. Means NOTHING. No team wants him as their starting PF.

Theo Ratliff and Alonzo Mourning were athletic 6-10 leapers. That’s why they could play the C position at 6-10. Aldrich doesn’t have anywhere near their level of athleticism.

They, especially Mourning, were also physically stronger than Aldrich.

Aldrich has a pathetic 23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical — while weighing just 236 lbs.

If he gains a lot of weight, imagine how his vertical will decrease even more. He’ll be in the teens.

[j1232eParticipant]

Cole plays a verrrrry different game than frye. cole is a banger, Frye is a pussy!

[cycloParticipant]

I don’t judge players only by stats, but by their size, physicality, athleticism, skills, character, bball IQ and stats.

Indeed, I’ve used all of that to judge Cole Aldrich as a bust in the making… while you’ve used nothing, except college shot blocking stats that won’t translate to the NBA level just as Stephane Lasme’s, Ekpe Udoh’s and Jarvis Varnado’s college shot blocking stats won’t translate to the NBA level.

Here are the irrefutable facts about Cole Aldrich in nutshell…

Undersized for the NBA C position
True. 6-9 in socks, 6-10 in shoes

Lacks the athleticism to compensate for his lack of size
True. 23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical

Lacks the physical strength to compensate for his lack of athleticism
True. Just 10 reps on the bench press — same as Gordon Hayward. So much for the belief that Aldrich is strong. He’s not.

Aldrich is shorter, physically weaker and less athletic than Channing Frye according to the NBA’s athletic testing
True. Are you impressed with Frye’s size, strength and leaping ability? If not, you’ll be less impressed with Aldrich’s, since he measured below Frye in each area.

Weight:
Frye: 244
Aldrich: 236

Height:
Frye” 6’9.5″
Aldrich: 6’9″

Bench press
Frye: 19 reps
Aldrich: 10 reps (same as Gordon Hayward)

No step vertical
Frye: 27.5 inches
Aldrich: 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye: 31 inches
Aldrich: 28 inches

Yes, Dikembe Mutombo was a more skilled offensive player coming out of college
True. 15.2 ppg. 58.6% fg. 70.3% ft. at Georgetown. Offensively and defensively, Mutombo was the far superior prospect.

Aldrich is a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla
True. This includes college career and final college season. Here’s the final college season comparison again.

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

There’s a reason why Aran Smith, the owner of this site, compares Cole Aldrich to Eric Montross/Joel Pryzbilla. Drafting this guy in the lottery would be a horrible mistake for any GM. I don’t think the Jazz will make that mistake.

[cycloParticipant]

Granted, Cole Aldrich plays a different style than Channing Frye, but how’s he going to fare in the NBA at the C position when he’s shorter, physically weaker, less athletic, less skilled, and a worse offensive player coming out of college than Channing Frye? Not to mention a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla the two players Aran Smith compares him to.

Height matters at the C position.
If a player doesn’t have ideal height, he must have athleticism.
If a player doesn’t have athleticism, he must have strength.
Aldrich has none of the above.

Aldrich is undersized (6-9), unathletic (23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical), and physically too weak (just 10 reps on bench press — same as Gordon Hayward) to overcome his lack of height at the C position in the NBA.

A quality C prospect needs either ideal height, athleticism or physical strength to be an effective starting C in the NBA and Aldrich has none of the above.

1. Doesn’t have the height.
2. Doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for his lack of height.
3. Doesn’t have the strength to make up for his lack of athleticism.

= career bench player.

[cycloParticipant]

How’s Cole Aldrich going to perform in the NBA at the C position when he’s shorter, physically weaker, less athletic and a worse offensive player coming out of college than Channing Frye? Who cares if they play different styles? If Aldrich can’t measure up to Channing Frye’s size, strength or athleticism, what does that say about his future? Not to mention he’s a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla — the two players this website compares him to. These are facts.

Height matters at the C position.
If a player doesn’t have ideal height, he must have athleticism.
If a player doesn’t have athleticism, he must have strength.
No exceptions.

Aldrich has none of the above.
He’s undersized (6-9)
He’s unathletic (23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical)
He’s physically too weak (just 10 reps on bench press — same as Gordon Hayward).
These are facts.

A quality C prospect needs either height, athleticism or physical strength to be an effective starting C in the NBA and Aldrich has none of the above.

Doesn’t have the height.
Doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for his lack of height.
Doesn’t have the strength to make up for his lack of athleticism.

= career bench player

[PureshooterParticipant]

He’s 6’11.25 in shoes per the combine and has a great standing reach. Also, the bench press is one of the most useless exercises they have at the combine. Every player gets stronger once they enter the league and post effectiveness has more to do with lower body strength than upper.

[JoeWolf1]

wow cyclo, I was done with you but you keep citing irrelevant stats. I’m basing my opinion off of seeing Cole Aldrich play around 40 times over the past 3 years not shot blocking stats. I’m now going to give you in game examples on how he handled NBA propects, something you could never do because you’ve never seen him play.

2008 Final Four- Cole Aldrich , who you insist has no motor and is slow and could never be an energy player came off the bench and shut down Tyler Hansbrough including blocking one of his shots with his fore arm closd to his elbow. The same Tyler Hansbrough with a 34” max vert, the same Tyler Hansbrough who repped 185 a solid 18 times and the same Tyler Hansrbough who averaged 9 and 5 as a rookie battling injury problems.

2009- Cole Aldrich averaged 14.9 ppg this season along with 11.1 rebounds. Something you fail to recognize. You look at the stats and come to the conclusion he “got worse” offensively from his soph – junior years, when in fact he didn’t. KU added Xavier Henry who is a perimeter shooter and took a great deal of shots, as well as changing the role Aldrich had for the Jayhawks. You’re such a stat man, but you failed to look at the fact in 2009 he took 333 shots while in 2010 he took 265. Of course he averaged fewer points, he had a different role on the team. If you were to ever seen KU play in 2008-2009 and then again in 2009-2010 (EVEN ONCE!) you’d come to that conclusion if you had any Basketball IQ, but then again at this point in your bull headed stat oriented arugment I think your Bball IQ would make Gerald Green look like Kobe Bryant.

In an early season matchup with back to back Final 4 team Michigan state with tons of size and strength down low dropped 14 points and 11 rebounds while shooting while finishing strong around the rim, and leading the break. One thing I’ve forgotten to mention is Aldrich’s ability to lead a break. He is one of the best outlet passers in college basketball and well excel at that at an NBA level.

I could really go on all day citing games and instances his pure effectiveness and smarts using his length, foot work and fundamentals to shut down and intimidate opponents, but I really don’t have time. Is bench press really an accurate way to gage someone’s strength when they have a 7’5” wingspan? I think not. In this years Missouri game at Missouri he had the ball in his hands and an opponent tried to take it away and Aldrich picked him up off the ground and flung him to the floor. I can rep 185 about 15 times which is the same as Greg Monroe who from a pure size and strength standpoint is probably much stronger than me. Nor would the fact that I can bench around what he does help me at all on a basketball courtl.

Cyclo your silence in answering my question and repetitive stats have told this whole forum you’ve never seen him play. Aldrich can knock down a 15 footer, has a nice hook shot with both hands, which is enough for a 4th or 5th option in the NBA. He’s a high charachter guy who will work hard and do the dirty work, and rebound and block shots. Who cares if he can’t jump out of the gym he can without a step jump in get his hand over 11 feet in the air. His wingspan makes up for his height and limited athleticism. Explain Blair’s rookie success, short, cant jump, long wingspan and tries hard. Aldrich brings all those things to the table. Your like John Hollinger on crack, just spitting stats and YOU”VE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY!

now im done

[cycloParticipant]

Does NCAA shot blocking always translate to the NBA? Stephane Lasme, Ekpe Udoh, Hamady N’Diaye and Jarvis Varnado were all outstanding intimidators and shot blockers in college. Do you think their college shot blocking will translate to the NBA?

Jarvis Varnado breaks NCAA career shot blocking record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNoAwyoRMNE

Cole’s college shot blocking won’t translate to the NBA, because he simply doesn’t have the height (6’9″) or athleticism (23 inch no step vert) to be a top NBA shot blocker.

If Cole’s shot blocking won’t translate to the NBA, what will? His scoring? He’s a worse scorer coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. His rebounding? Could be a decent rebounder, but will never be top 10.

Statistics, physical dimensions, skills and athleticism (or lack thereof) are all completely relevant when projecting a player to an NBA position.

Fellow Kansas product Nick Collison, a PF, was a much better college player than Cole Aldrich at C.

Nick Collison final year at Kansas: 18.5 ppg. 10.0 rpg. 55.4% fg.

Prior to the ’03 draft, did you also swear by Nick Collison as a lottery pick destined for greatness at the NBA PF position? Did you believe Nick Collison would be a top 10 rebounder in the NBA? I’m sure you did.

Standing 6’8.75″ Nick Collison has similar height to 6’9″ Cole Aldrich, yet Collison was much more athletic than Aldrich coming out of college.

No step vertical
Nick Collison 28.0 inches
Cole Aldrich 23.0 inches

Max vertical
Nick Collison 33.0 inches
Cole Aldrich 28.0 inches

Less athletic than Nick Collison? Yep.

You say, “Don’t post the facts, facts are irrelevant, because I liked Cole at Kansas.”

That’s too bad, because your boy is going to end up nothing more than a backup C in the NBA.

[JoeWolf1]

double post.

[American_BallerParticipant]

Cyclo, you appear to be all stats. Why don’t you explain why Joel Pryzbilla is still in the league while guys who looked way better on paper that were drafted before him aren’t.

Chris Mihm – bust
Darius Miles – bust
Stromile Swift – bust
Marcus Fizer – bust

I bet all of those guys could jump higher than him, and look better on paper, but Pryzbilla still averages 8-9 rebounds per game and is a guy that many teams would still want on their roster 10 years after he was drafted.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

you’re too harsh! LOL

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Cyclo, how do you feel wingspan and standing reach affect a center’s ability. And how does height matter more than either of those two measures? (since you’re so keen on only talking about how short he is.)

[JNixonParticipant]

Are you aware that Cole Aldrich was 6’11 IN SHOES? And that even though he has on shoes with big soles at the combine, he’s still likely to be 6’10 with normal shoes? And are you aware that he’s got a nearly a 7’5 wingspan?

Or are you just saying he’s 6’9 to prove a point…..that’s not even a true point, for the sake of an argument? Just remember that you don’t play ball barefoot in the NBA, and remember that length and lower-body strength are more important than wingspan and vertical leaping height. It’s about how quick he can jump up, use his length, and alter and/or block shots.

And PLEASE don’t put up those mindless stats that you copy and paste every time. It makes you look pretty retarded honestly. Notice how everybody is criticizing you when you do that?

[JoeWolf1]

Haha, thats funny, you’ve never seen him play, and I’ve never mentioned Nick Collison in this arguement. Congratulations, you looked up Nick Collison on basketball-reference.com.

You say, ” I don’t know anything about scouting a player because I can know it all without ever seeing him play, Aldrich looks like Montross so he must be the next Montross.”

Explain Dejuan Blair who is 6’5.25” in socks and Taj Gibson, Gibson’s dimensions and athletic ability are very similar to Aldrich and he averaged 9 and 7 for a playoff team.

answer xbadger hustler’s question on wingspan

you’ve never seen him play, teams that worked him out and saw him in person and in games rank him as a lottery pick. If numbers were everything there would only be the combine and basketball-reference.com!

Eddie House averaged more ppg his last year in college than Michael Jordan. By your system, that should mean House is a better scorer than Jordan. You use your system to attempt to prove your point, but then when i use the same system to refute it and you tell me to stop comparing Aldrich to Mutombo or Robin Lopez, but by your system they are very similar.

Why is a freak athlete like Stromile Swift out of the league and why is Joel Pryzbilla a valueable player and interior defender 10 years later? Have you ever played or watched basketball? There are some guys who are good that don’t look like it or don’t measure up, but they tear it up! I can’t wait til next season when Aldrich is dropping 7 ppg 7 rpg and 1.5 blocks as a rookie and Whiteside is jacking shots from the perimeter and riding the pine.

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

THats just the feel i am getting. We have been hi on him all year. And Maybe trade next years pick to move up and take that banger type player in orton or sanders, or even alabi

[cycloParticipant]

Don’t be stupid.

My system does not say “Eddie House should be a better scorer than Michael Jordan” or anything like that.

Player evaluation is not all about stats. It’s about physical ability, size, skills and stats. I’ve used all of those aspects to refute Cole Aldrich as a starting C prospect. Aldrich just doesn’t have ‘what it takes’ to be a successful starting C in the NBA.

Taj Gibson has ideal height and length for an NBA PF. An undersized PF like Dajuan Blair can project well as a backup PF in the NBA if he has the physical ability, strength and skills.

As a starting C prospect for the NBA, Cole Aldrich doesn’t project well.

He’s undersized:
6’9″ in socks.

He’s unathletic:
23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical

He’s isn’t strong enough to make up for his lack of height and athleticism:
Just 10 reps on the bench press — same as Gordon Hayward.

He cannot score:
College career: 9.4 points per game.
Final college season: 11.3 points per game.

He’s a worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla were in college… and like Montross and Pryzbilla, he doesn’t have the skills or the physical ability to ever become a better offensive player. Aldrich is what he is. A career backup C in the NBA. A scrub.

Aldrich measured just 6’9″ in socks, which is shorter than Troy Murphy and Channing Frye.

Height:
Troy Murphy 6’9.75″
Channing Frye 6’9.5″
Cole Aldrich 6’9″
Nick Collison 6’8.75″.

He’s also less athletic than Troy Murphy, Channing Frye and Nick Collison.

No Step Vertical:
Troy Murphy 28.5 inches
Nick Collison 28 inches
Channing Frye 27.5 inches
Cole Aldrich 23 inches

Max Vertical:
Troy Murphy 34.5 inches
Nick Collison 33 inches
Channing Frye 31 inches
Cole Aldrich 28 inches

Doesn’t have the height.
Doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for his lack of height.
Doesn’t have the strength to make up for his lack of athleticism.
Offensive skills of Montross/Pryzbilla, possibly worse. Ouch!

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