[KDThunder35Participant]

 How do you feel about James McAdoo’s game?  I know he hasn’t stepped on a college court and played a game yet, but just from video’s on youtube (I know not to judge just on video’s alone, but for the time being that’s all we have for those that don’t live in his immediate area to catch one of his games).  He is number 2 on the mock’s ahead of guys like Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis, and Jared Sullinger, all of which have a true defined position in the league. (I am excluding Quincy Miller, whom I feel could be the best out of this whole draft, as I am yet to decide if he is a full time 3 or a hybrid forward).

McAdoo is tagged as a potential 3 or hybrid 3/4 type of player.  This seems to be a growing trend, such players as B-Easy & Derrick Williams. My personal opinion is he is a lot like Al-Farouq Aminu.  Aminu plays the 3 in the league but lacks average ball handling and shooting which makes him an average 3 in the league.  I feel McAdoo is further along with his jumper, but unless he drastically improves his  handle, I think he is destined for that limbo between being a 3 and 4.

With that being said, do you feel McAdoo warrants a higher draft position than the likes of those listed above even though he doesn’t have a defined position?  (I am not big on tweeners between the 3 and 4, Marvin Williams kind of put a blemish on the image of those type of players for me.)

 

 

[PaulsJayhawksParticipant]

He is not going ahead of Barnes, espescially since he will be kinda buried behind Barnes and Henson at the 3/4. Sully, Q.Miller, P.Jones should also go ahead of him I think.

[PaulsJayhawksParticipant]

He is not going ahead of Barnes, espescially since he will be kinda buried behind Barnes and Henson at the 3/4. Sully, Q.Miller, P.Jones should also go ahead of him I think.

[surveParticipant]

I have been impressed by McAdoo, he is better than what I thought initially and I think eventhough he hasnt played a college game yet, his impressive showings after HS have given him a boost.  Still, I havent seen enough of him to rate him over those guys draft-wise.  I personally think Aminu will be very good in the league and his shooting and ballhandling takes a bit more of a hit than it should be.  The thing about Aminu is his rebounding…and I dont think McAdoo is near that level on the offensive glass.  Right now I dont think he warrants a pick higher than those you mentioned.

[surveParticipant]

I have been impressed by McAdoo, he is better than what I thought initially and I think eventhough he hasnt played a college game yet, his impressive showings after HS have given him a boost.  Still, I havent seen enough of him to rate him over those guys draft-wise.  I personally think Aminu will be very good in the league and his shooting and ballhandling takes a bit more of a hit than it should be.  The thing about Aminu is his rebounding…and I dont think McAdoo is near that level on the offensive glass.  Right now I dont think he warrants a pick higher than those you mentioned.

[cward23Participant]

He’s number 2 because of what he did in Allstar games(which is a dumb reason by the way). He is very talented but he doesn’t have a position just yet. He’s undersized for the 4 and his outside game and handles are not polished enough for the 3. His jumper is very inconsistant outside of mid range but he does have apretty good post game and a knack for rebounding ( he migh have the second best post game in his class outside of Wiltijer)

[cward23Participant]

He’s number 2 because of what he did in Allstar games(which is a dumb reason by the way). He is very talented but he doesn’t have a position just yet. He’s undersized for the 4 and his outside game and handles are not polished enough for the 3. His jumper is very inconsistant outside of mid range but he does have apretty good post game and a knack for rebounding ( he migh have the second best post game in his class outside of Wiltijer)

[KDThunder35Participant]

 I agree, I think he got catapulted from those all-star games as well cward23. Also surve I agree with the rebounding thing.  That made me think of comparing him to Aminu because they are both good rebounders, but they are 4’s stuck in a 3’s body.

[KDThunder35Participant]

 I agree, I think he got catapulted from those all-star games as well cward23. Also surve I agree with the rebounding thing.  That made me think of comparing him to Aminu because they are both good rebounders, but they are 4’s stuck in a 3’s body.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

But, as of right now, I would probably rank a fair number of prospects ahead of him in regards too the 2012 draft. He would be a mid lottery guy in my mind more than likely. Aran seems too really like him, which is all well and good at this point, but I agree with what most others have been saying about McAdoo lacking a true NBA position. The guys I am highest on (other than Andre Drummond) are Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller, Jared Sullinger, Austin Rivers and probably even Mike Gilchrist over McAdoo. Perry Jones is a fringe guy there, and I am also high on Bradley Beal, but I would probably still rank McAdoo ahead of him as a prospect. Aran seems too really like him though, and I am sure he has his reasons and thoughts about the situation. Still, I am rolling with my list until I see it differently than what I have watched and noticed.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

But, as of right now, I would probably rank a fair number of prospects ahead of him in regards too the 2012 draft. He would be a mid lottery guy in my mind more than likely. Aran seems too really like him, which is all well and good at this point, but I agree with what most others have been saying about McAdoo lacking a true NBA position. The guys I am highest on (other than Andre Drummond) are Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller, Jared Sullinger, Austin Rivers and probably even Mike Gilchrist over McAdoo. Perry Jones is a fringe guy there, and I am also high on Bradley Beal, but I would probably still rank McAdoo ahead of him as a prospect. Aran seems too really like him though, and I am sure he has his reasons and thoughts about the situation. Still, I am rolling with my list until I see it differently than what I have watched and noticed.

[cward23Participant]

Best way to know about a recruit is (other than watching a couple of games) is to see where he was ranked and/or talked about before the end of the year All-Star game circuits. Before those McAdoo was talked about but not as much and the same with Wroten. I recall Favors being talked about as the next Beasley after the games before the college season started

[cward23Participant]

Best way to know about a recruit is (other than watching a couple of games) is to see where he was ranked and/or talked about before the end of the year All-Star game circuits. Before those McAdoo was talked about but not as much and the same with Wroten. I recall Favors being talked about as the next Beasley after the games before the college season started

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 The fact that he will be playing behind Barnes and Henson might warrant him to return to school for his sophomore year instead of taking the Marvin Williams 6th man jump to the league.  Either way the kid is incredibly gifted but shouldn’t be ranked ahead of Barnes and Davis at this point.  

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 The fact that he will be playing behind Barnes and Henson might warrant him to return to school for his sophomore year instead of taking the Marvin Williams 6th man jump to the league.  Either way the kid is incredibly gifted but shouldn’t be ranked ahead of Barnes and Davis at this point.  

[CalipariParticipant]

You can count on Barnes and Perry Jones going ahead of him, and several others could as well depending on how the collegiate season plays out. Right now there are several examples of the tweener forward in the NBA, and not to knock Beasley, or Aminu and Williams, but those types of players aren’t what GMs want to grab in the top 5 of the NBA Draft.

Yes, Williams and Thompson both went top 5 this year, but that was more a result of need and a lack of depth.

Also, not to say that these players aren’t succesful, because they have been to certain degrees,  but GMs look for the combination of talent and convenience if you will, in regards to a position(s). Certainly McAdoo is a talented guy, and Quincy Miller is too for that matter, but Barnes trumps all 3.

[CalipariParticipant]

You can count on Barnes and Perry Jones going ahead of him, and several others could as well depending on how the collegiate season plays out. Right now there are several examples of the tweener forward in the NBA, and not to knock Beasley, or Aminu and Williams, but those types of players aren’t what GMs want to grab in the top 5 of the NBA Draft.

Yes, Williams and Thompson both went top 5 this year, but that was more a result of need and a lack of depth.

Also, not to say that these players aren’t succesful, because they have been to certain degrees,  but GMs look for the combination of talent and convenience if you will, in regards to a position(s). Certainly McAdoo is a talented guy, and Quincy Miller is too for that matter, but Barnes trumps all 3.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

That is a line dude. The college All-Star games might not be the end all be all, but they are among, if not the, best HS players playing against each other. The practices and games do indeed tend too show who separates themselves from whom. Just because Kenny Gregory and JJ Reddick won McDonald’s game MVP’s, it did not have them ranked above players who clearly showed more long term potential. James McAdoo has been a top 5 player all year, and I doubt his ranking changed much one way or the other on most sites due to his All-Star Game performance. Plus, I believe Aran has been high on James for a long time. If you think the rankings before the All-Star Games are more truthful than people having seen this players play and practice against each other, than why even watch the All-Star Games and practices. Man, think before you say some of these things.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

That is a line dude. The college All-Star games might not be the end all be all, but they are among, if not the, best HS players playing against each other. The practices and games do indeed tend too show who separates themselves from whom. Just because Kenny Gregory and JJ Reddick won McDonald’s game MVP’s, it did not have them ranked above players who clearly showed more long term potential. James McAdoo has been a top 5 player all year, and I doubt his ranking changed much one way or the other on most sites due to his All-Star Game performance. Plus, I believe Aran has been high on James for a long time. If you think the rankings before the All-Star Games are more truthful than people having seen this players play and practice against each other, than why even watch the All-Star Games and practices. Man, think before you say some of these things.

[cward23Participant]

@Calapari- you’re right GM’s arent looking for the next tweener but thats what it has come to because big guy’s don’t seem to wanna be post players and because of their height they don’t get to work on there sf/SG skills in H.S and College

[cward23Participant]

@Calapari- you’re right GM’s arent looking for the next tweener but thats what it has come to because big guy’s don’t seem to wanna be post players and because of their height they don’t get to work on there sf/SG skills in H.S and College

[cward23Participant]

Look at the rankings of the past and look at how players who played well in Allstar games end up jumping up in rankings afterwards. Some deserved it like Kyrie Irving and some don’t. Yes they are the best of there class but there is no defense played and if you are athletic you can look better than you actually are. The practices show more of how good a player is then the actual games. The practices is where players actually play defense and the games look more like a real game.You ask why people watch, the entertainment thats why. I do think before i speak but unlike you i dont have this ” more knowledgeable then thou” out look. You’re no different then any of us on here as far as just being a fan yet you act like are above everyone else. What you said is YOU’RE OPINION what i said is MY OPINION. it doesn’t make either of what we said fact, you should probably remember that

Word of advice- just because you can type and spell better then others on here doesn’t mean you have to act like a ass about it and put other down. All that does is make you look like a dick. This isn’t college no one is graded on how they spell things and as long as someone understands what they are trying to say thats all that matters.

With that said im going back to basketball talk, you’re more than welcome to spell check or say how i used this sentence wrong or that if that makes you feel better but im no longer entertaining or reading anything you say unless it is about basketball and not about putting people down for there opinions because it doesn’t match with you’res. Good day

[cward23Participant]

Look at the rankings of the past and look at how players who played well in Allstar games end up jumping up in rankings afterwards. Some deserved it like Kyrie Irving and some don’t. Yes they are the best of there class but there is no defense played and if you are athletic you can look better than you actually are. The practices show more of how good a player is then the actual games. The practices is where players actually play defense and the games look more like a real game.You ask why people watch, the entertainment thats why. I do think before i speak but unlike you i dont have this ” more knowledgeable then thou” out look. You’re no different then any of us on here as far as just being a fan yet you act like are above everyone else. What you said is YOU’RE OPINION what i said is MY OPINION. it doesn’t make either of what we said fact, you should probably remember that

Word of advice- just because you can type and spell better then others on here doesn’t mean you have to act like a ass about it and put other down. All that does is make you look like a dick. This isn’t college no one is graded on how they spell things and as long as someone understands what they are trying to say thats all that matters.

With that said im going back to basketball talk, you’re more than welcome to spell check or say how i used this sentence wrong or that if that makes you feel better but im no longer entertaining or reading anything you say unless it is about basketball and not about putting people down for there opinions because it doesn’t match with you’res. Good day

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 However, I do care about something that is more than likely not true being stated as fact. Which is what you do on many an occasion, without seeming too think before you speak. Saying that "the best way too look at a recruit is best done before All-Star games", is cr@p. You already proved that by going back on your initial statement, with the whole Kyrie Irving thing. Favors was called the next Beasley by people before the All-Star games. You can disagree with me until the cows come home, but if you are talking bull$hit, I can call you out on it with little hesitation. I may not know more than you do, but I actually try too not talk out my @ss and just straight up hype people up with theories that hold no water whatsoever. Plus, you will notice that if I do say something too someone, I come at them with facts and info too try and back it up. So, you can act like you are influencing the "scout" from scout.com, but you should definitely try too come with facts and evidence before coming up with some of the posts you write. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 However, I do care about something that is more than likely not true being stated as fact. Which is what you do on many an occasion, without seeming too think before you speak. Saying that "the best way too look at a recruit is best done before All-Star games", is cr@p. You already proved that by going back on your initial statement, with the whole Kyrie Irving thing. Favors was called the next Beasley by people before the All-Star games. You can disagree with me until the cows come home, but if you are talking bull$hit, I can call you out on it with little hesitation. I may not know more than you do, but I actually try too not talk out my @ss and just straight up hype people up with theories that hold no water whatsoever. Plus, you will notice that if I do say something too someone, I come at them with facts and info too try and back it up. So, you can act like you are influencing the "scout" from scout.com, but you should definitely try too come with facts and evidence before coming up with some of the posts you write. 

[Cardinal_FanParticipant]

 I think 2 is a lil high even tho he has really good potential. I dont think he will be a better pro than Harrison Barnes, and i also think Anthony Davis has a higher ceiling than  him being 6’10 with pretty damn good perimeter skills. I’d have him at 4 behind Drummond, Barnes, and Davis

[Cardinal_FanParticipant]

 I think 2 is a lil high even tho he has really good potential. I dont think he will be a better pro than Harrison Barnes, and i also think Anthony Davis has a higher ceiling than  him being 6’10 with pretty damn good perimeter skills. I’d have him at 4 behind Drummond, Barnes, and Davis

[cward23Participant]

I agree 2 is pretty high. I used to be lower on Davis but the kid gets numbers by sheer effort before even using his skills and thats impressive. You dont even have to call plays for him to score because he hits the offensive glass and out runs other bigs (and forwards and sometimes guards) down the court on fast breaks. McAdoo is talented but has some work to do because his wing game is still developing imo. Hopefully he stays after his freshman year or he develops more of a wing game because if he does that he is gonna be very dangerous

[cward23Participant]

I agree 2 is pretty high. I used to be lower on Davis but the kid gets numbers by sheer effort before even using his skills and thats impressive. You dont even have to call plays for him to score because he hits the offensive glass and out runs other bigs (and forwards and sometimes guards) down the court on fast breaks. McAdoo is talented but has some work to do because his wing game is still developing imo. Hopefully he stays after his freshman year or he develops more of a wing game because if he does that he is gonna be very dangerous

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 @Calipari: How is Tristain Thompson a tweener? He’s not or ever will be a 3 and certainly is not a 5.  Derrick Williams, Marcus Morris, Beasley, Antwan Jamison, Marvin Williams, Tobias Harris, Earl Clark etc.  Those guys in my opinion are tweener forwards.  

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 @Calipari: How is Tristain Thompson a tweener? He’s not or ever will be a 3 and certainly is not a 5.  Derrick Williams, Marcus Morris, Beasley, Antwan Jamison, Marvin Williams, Tobias Harris, Earl Clark etc.  Those guys in my opinion are tweener forwards.  

[CalipariParticipant]

Because of his height he isn’t a true 4. Though he definetly does some dirty work in the post, he doesn’t have a so-called "pure" position because his height hampers his ability to be effective with greater efficiency. Not that this is a detraction from Thompson himself, but merely an observation.

[CalipariParticipant]

Because of his height he isn’t a true 4. Though he definetly does some dirty work in the post, he doesn’t have a so-called "pure" position because his height hampers his ability to be effective with greater efficiency. Not that this is a detraction from Thompson himself, but merely an observation.

[cward23Participant]

Thompson is not a tweener. You are a tweener if you can play two different position. you dont here people calling 6’7 Ben Wallace or 6’6 Chuck Hayes Tweeners. Thompson is a 4. Maybe undersized but he is a 4

[cward23Participant]

Thompson is not a tweener. You are a tweener if you can play two different position. you dont here people calling 6’7 Ben Wallace or 6’6 Chuck Hayes Tweeners. Thompson is a 4. Maybe undersized but he is a 4

[CalipariParticipant]

Call it what you want, but Thompson doesn’t fit any typical position mold, and though still talented, will be inhibited by it.

[CalipariParticipant]

Call it what you want, but Thompson doesn’t fit any typical position mold, and though still talented, will be inhibited by it.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Well Ben Gordon has the size of a point guard but plays the shooting guard, does that mean he’s a tweener? No, tweener is when there is a question of where he will play, but everyone knows Thompson is a 4.  Udonis Haslem is same size but no one calls him a tweener, just an undersized 4.  Same with Kenneth Faried.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Well Ben Gordon has the size of a point guard but plays the shooting guard, does that mean he’s a tweener? No, tweener is when there is a question of where he will play, but everyone knows Thompson is a 4.  Udonis Haslem is same size but no one calls him a tweener, just an undersized 4.  Same with Kenneth Faried.

[Knicksboy3Participant]

 MacAdoo is more power forward then small forward. Also, isn’t he 6-9?

[Knicksboy3Participant]

 MacAdoo is more power forward then small forward. Also, isn’t he 6-9?

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I’ve seen him listed at 6’8 and 6’9, but he’s slender and lanky looking, but he’s also never been in a college strength and conditioning program so we’ll see after this year how much he fills out.  

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I’ve seen him listed at 6’8 and 6’9, but he’s slender and lanky looking, but he’s also never been in a college strength and conditioning program so we’ll see after this year how much he fills out.  

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