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  • #64072
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    dudo670
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     I don’t understand how this guy is a top 5 pick. He isn’t athletic and can’t dribble. That’s a recipe for disaster in terms of trying to become a big time scorer in the NBA. OG Anunoboy (who I think is a pro) shut him down when IU played Kentucky, and that’s why IU won. Ulis had 30 or something but got no help. He plays hard but he’s not going to be a good defensive player either. I don’t think he’ll even be as good as OJ Mayo or Eric Gordon.

    So, someone tell me why he’s going to be an all-star in 5 years, let alone a quality starter. I’m not seeing it.

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  • #1070170
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    necrosaro420
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     ….is this a serious comment?

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  • #1070051
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    necrosaro420
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     ….is this a serious comment?

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    • #1070174
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      dudo670
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      Do you think he’s a good ball-handler? Do you think he’s athletic? Every year there’s at least one or two busts in the top 5 and this year its going to be him.

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    • #1070055
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      Do you think he’s a good ball-handler? Do you think he’s athletic? Every year there’s at least one or two busts in the top 5 and this year its going to be him.

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  • #1070178
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    connybuckets
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     He is an above average ball handler, but he isn’t a great athlete. I’d take Heild over him in s heartbeat

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  • #1070059
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    connybuckets
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     He is an above average ball handler, but he isn’t a great athlete. I’d take Heild over him in s heartbeat

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  • #1070184
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    Separation. He gets separation, but without athleticism. His feel for the game is sublime. He has runners with both hands. He can drive with both hands. He can pullup going either way. He has legit three point range. 

    His handles are better than you give him credit for. He willingly took the ball out of his hands and put it in Ullis hands for the best of the team, but he was a primary ball-handler and distributor in other settings. He makes good basketball plays and has a high IQ. 

    His athleticism is better than given credit. He has a quick first step when he his feel tells him he can get by someone. He has agility to do eurosteps and other technical drives. He doesn’t have elite hops, but he has really good agility. Oh, and he has great size. 

    If he can transition to the point in the NBA, he can dominate as a big, strong, physical point guard. 

    He is 18. 

    I liken him to Damian Lillard. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1070065
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    Separation. He gets separation, but without athleticism. His feel for the game is sublime. He has runners with both hands. He can drive with both hands. He can pullup going either way. He has legit three point range. 

    His handles are better than you give him credit for. He willingly took the ball out of his hands and put it in Ullis hands for the best of the team, but he was a primary ball-handler and distributor in other settings. He makes good basketball plays and has a high IQ. 

    His athleticism is better than given credit. He has a quick first step when he his feel tells him he can get by someone. He has agility to do eurosteps and other technical drives. He doesn’t have elite hops, but he has really good agility. Oh, and he has great size. 

    If he can transition to the point in the NBA, he can dominate as a big, strong, physical point guard. 

    He is 18. 

    I liken him to Damian Lillard. 

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1070198
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       I think thats a very lofty comparison, and I don’t see any resemblance in the two players games. Dame is a point guard who could break his man down off the dribble, no matter what people say Murray will never be a point guard because he can’t dribble the ball well enough. He might have been a decent ball-handler in college but I don’t think that will translate to the pros. He might be able to get enough separation in college to get shots up off the dribble, and that’s why he averaged 20 a game. I just think his game does not translate to the pros. Maybe he proves me wrong.

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    • #1070079
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       I think thats a very lofty comparison, and I don’t see any resemblance in the two players games. Dame is a point guard who could break his man down off the dribble, no matter what people say Murray will never be a point guard because he can’t dribble the ball well enough. He might have been a decent ball-handler in college but I don’t think that will translate to the pros. He might be able to get enough separation in college to get shots up off the dribble, and that’s why he averaged 20 a game. I just think his game does not translate to the pros. Maybe he proves me wrong.

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      • #1070107
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         I disagree, but I don’t think we will be able to convince each other. 

        Another comparison is a combo guard version of Paul Pierce. 

         

         

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      • #1070226
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         I disagree, but I don’t think we will be able to convince each other. 

        Another comparison is a combo guard version of Paul Pierce. 

         

         

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      • #1070147
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         I have been getting killed all year for saying the same thing.  I agree exactly. My comp is a 6’4 Kyle Korver.  Murray can shoot but that’s it. He will get run off the 3pt line and all his pull up jumpers will be contested by NBA players.  Not a good ball handler.  Can’t get to the line, 4free throw att. He turns the corner like an 80 yr old women in a buick.

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        • #1070163
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           I don’t even think he’s as good of a pure shooter as Korver but I agree exactly. Can’t dribble, whether or not people want to say he has a 39 inch vertical, he has a slow first step. He pushes off a lot to create space and that’s not going to work in the NBA for a guy with his physical tools. He’s a guy who’s offense will be primarily be catching and shooting, and its not like he’s got the defensive upside to warrant taking this guy as high as some are talking about. Every year there’s at least one or two guys drafted in the top 5-6 that don’t end up living up to their draft stock and I think he’s one of them. Of course, if you dare go against the status quo on these forums you get downvoted to the max. After all, the analysts are never wrong about guys in the draft.

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        • #1070281
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           I don’t even think he’s as good of a pure shooter as Korver but I agree exactly. Can’t dribble, whether or not people want to say he has a 39 inch vertical, he has a slow first step. He pushes off a lot to create space and that’s not going to work in the NBA for a guy with his physical tools. He’s a guy who’s offense will be primarily be catching and shooting, and its not like he’s got the defensive upside to warrant taking this guy as high as some are talking about. Every year there’s at least one or two guys drafted in the top 5-6 that don’t end up living up to their draft stock and I think he’s one of them. Of course, if you dare go against the status quo on these forums you get downvoted to the max. After all, the analysts are never wrong about guys in the draft.

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      • #1070265
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         I have been getting killed all year for saying the same thing.  I agree exactly. My comp is a 6’4 Kyle Korver.  Murray can shoot but that’s it. He will get run off the 3pt line and all his pull up jumpers will be contested by NBA players.  Not a good ball handler.  Can’t get to the line, 4free throw att. He turns the corner like an 80 yr old women in a buick.

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  • #1070119
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    Brandon Roy is the beat comparison I have heard and I believe that could be his ceiling, his floor to me is someone else from that same draft in Randy Foye.

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    • #1070345
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      I originally liked the Brandon Roy comp, but at this stage He has a weak midrange game and is shooting half his shots at the 3 point line. Murray is shorter and a lot slimmer than Roy who played a lot of Isolation and Posted his man up. At this stage he doesn’t have that in his game. Roy was super underated as an athlete, had a 40 inch vertical. MWP stated he was the hardest person he ever guarded.

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    • #1070464
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      I originally liked the Brandon Roy comp, but at this stage He has a weak midrange game and is shooting half his shots at the 3 point line. Murray is shorter and a lot slimmer than Roy who played a lot of Isolation and Posted his man up. At this stage he doesn’t have that in his game. Roy was super underated as an athlete, had a 40 inch vertical. MWP stated he was the hardest person he ever guarded.

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  • #1070238
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    Brandon Roy is the beat comparison I have heard and I believe that could be his ceiling, his floor to me is someone else from that same draft in Randy Foye.

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  • #1070173
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    mamadou
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    I saw Tony Parker when he was 18 in france and in the hoop summit…

    I saw Jamal Murray when he was 18 in NCAA and in the hoop summit…

    That 6’4 korver comp is beyond trollism.

    He wasn’t running the show in KU, he played out of position, with 2 other guards, one true PG, one horrendous shooter and scrubs bigmens on top of it, while guarded by the best opposite defender…

    Give him a break.

    Worst case scenario for him, IMO we are more in the Mo williams, Jet, Brandon Knight  range.

     

     

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    • #1070183
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       People on this site act like busts don’t happen. They happen every year. All you did was make excuses for Murray just like most people just make excuses for Simmons. It’s not like I referred to all these statistics and you’re justifying why that happened. When I say he can’t dribble, I’m not talking about his 2 assists per game. That doesn’t tell you if someone can dribble. When you watch him play against good defenders, he struggles to handle the ball cleanly in traffic. When he plays against good defenders, he struggles to beat them off the dribble and resorts to arm bars and pushes off a lot to create separation. Yes, he was a successful college player for the most part doing this, but forgetting his lack of a first step, if he was a better ball-handler, Kentucky would have no doubt beat Indiana in the NCAA tournament. I watched 10 or 12 Kentucky games all year and after a few games of watching them it was clear Ulis was their best player. If he was 6-1 180 and not 5-9 150 I would take Ulis in the top 6 in a heartbeat. I see a somewhat less athletic Eric Gordon, but because I don’t compare him to Brandon Roy or Damian Lillard (Roy who was a borderline HOF talent and Dame who after 12 healthy seasons could be a HOF himself) or any guy who has a chance to make it to Springfield I am a hater.

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    • #1070301
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       People on this site act like busts don’t happen. They happen every year. All you did was make excuses for Murray just like most people just make excuses for Simmons. It’s not like I referred to all these statistics and you’re justifying why that happened. When I say he can’t dribble, I’m not talking about his 2 assists per game. That doesn’t tell you if someone can dribble. When you watch him play against good defenders, he struggles to handle the ball cleanly in traffic. When he plays against good defenders, he struggles to beat them off the dribble and resorts to arm bars and pushes off a lot to create separation. Yes, he was a successful college player for the most part doing this, but forgetting his lack of a first step, if he was a better ball-handler, Kentucky would have no doubt beat Indiana in the NCAA tournament. I watched 10 or 12 Kentucky games all year and after a few games of watching them it was clear Ulis was their best player. If he was 6-1 180 and not 5-9 150 I would take Ulis in the top 6 in a heartbeat. I see a somewhat less athletic Eric Gordon, but because I don’t compare him to Brandon Roy or Damian Lillard (Roy who was a borderline HOF talent and Dame who after 12 healthy seasons could be a HOF himself) or any guy who has a chance to make it to Springfield I am a hater.

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    • #1070360
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       That’s my favorite argument ever."He didn’t play his natural position at Kentucky. But he was a PG at the Pan Am games for team Canada with the rest of the best Canadien players in H.S." and then he got to college and wasn’t athletic enough, didn’t have a good enough handle…wasn’t a PG.  After like two games Calipari bumped him to SG and went with Ullis and Briscoe at the point. If you try to make excuses for that then you are trolling the facts…and cheating yourself from being allowed to learn something.

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    • #1070478
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       That’s my favorite argument ever."He didn’t play his natural position at Kentucky. But he was a PG at the Pan Am games for team Canada with the rest of the best Canadien players in H.S." and then he got to college and wasn’t athletic enough, didn’t have a good enough handle…wasn’t a PG.  After like two games Calipari bumped him to SG and went with Ullis and Briscoe at the point. If you try to make excuses for that then you are trolling the facts…and cheating yourself from being allowed to learn something.

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  • #1070291
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    I saw Tony Parker when he was 18 in france and in the hoop summit…

    I saw Jamal Murray when he was 18 in NCAA and in the hoop summit…

    That 6’4 korver comp is beyond trollism.

    He wasn’t running the show in KU, he played out of position, with 2 other guards, one true PG, one horrendous shooter and scrubs bigmens on top of it, while guarded by the best opposite defender…

    Give him a break.

    Worst case scenario for him, IMO we are more in the Mo williams, Jet, Brandon Knight  range.

     

     

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  • #1070181
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    For_Never_Ever
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     He is a underrated athlete. Athleticism wise he is similar to Deron Williams, I think before both his ankles went.

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  • #1070299
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    For_Never_Ever
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     He is a underrated athlete. Athleticism wise he is similar to Deron Williams, I think before both his ankles went.

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  • #1070349
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    kobyz
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     OP probably wrote off also draymond before his draft for similar reasons as now he with murray, failing to understand how murray just not a show off player but just being so smart, tough, leader, playin winning and team type game, and that gonna make him successful and should go number 3 to celtics…

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    • #1070427
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      draymond went 35th so almost every team in the league wrote him off once. No one could’ve seen him becoming THIS good. I didn’t look as much into the draft back then (outside the top 10 picks or so) but for you to dare and try to compare Draymond greens path to Jamal Murray’s is just absolute blasphemy as Stephen A smith would say. 

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      • #1070683
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         I do see similarity between why a lot wrote off drey then and why you dismiss murray now, overlooking his it factor, the ability to keep improving, ability to get the most out of his skills and talent and hide his limitations…

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      • #1070565
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         I do see similarity between why a lot wrote off drey then and why you dismiss murray now, overlooking his it factor, the ability to keep improving, ability to get the most out of his skills and talent and hide his limitations…

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    • #1070546
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      draymond went 35th so almost every team in the league wrote him off once. No one could’ve seen him becoming THIS good. I didn’t look as much into the draft back then (outside the top 10 picks or so) but for you to dare and try to compare Draymond greens path to Jamal Murray’s is just absolute blasphemy as Stephen A smith would say. 

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  • #1070468
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     OP probably wrote off also draymond before his draft for similar reasons as now he with murray, failing to understand how murray just not a show off player but just being so smart, tough, leader, playin winning and team type game, and that gonna make him successful and should go number 3 to celtics…

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  • #1070389
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     Hes better then Devin Booker who had a huge rookie season and a better shooter and scorer then Russell.  I think hes underrated at this point he has Klay 2.0 written all over him.

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  • #1070508
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     Hes better then Devin Booker who had a huge rookie season and a better shooter and scorer then Russell.  I think hes underrated at this point he has Klay 2.0 written all over him.

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