[max23Participant]

 What makes Jabari Parker such a great prospect?

If you get rid of his first 7 games(impressive but only 3 of those teams are over 500,of those 3 only Kansas in major conference unless somehow cusa and america east are now major conferences),he is averaging 16.4 pts/g,39.6% overall and 28.3% from 3 in 14 games.And offense is supposed to be his best area..

I keep hearing from people that he is the most nba ready prospect.Those numbers are nba ready?!I dont know how much he improves athletically,but lets say he barely improves his explosiveness and quickness,im asking whats so great about him?For all i know,maybe after he sheds his extra fat he does improve in those areas though,but lets say he doesnt.

I wont call him overrated,but after watching all his games,im far from his biggest fan.

[KHAM83Participant]

 Watching him recently, I couldn’t help but see him as a Glen Robinson type player. Will be able to score, but not much else. And I don’t think he’ll be that great of a scorer to be a franchise player on a great team. Of course someone here is about to catch a heart attack…….

[KHAM83Participant]

 Watching him recently, I couldn’t help but see him as a Glen Robinson type player. Will be able to score, but not much else. And I don’t think he’ll be that great of a scorer to be a franchise player on a great team. Of course someone here is about to catch a heart attack…….

[JoeWolf1]

There are a lot of people who think Parker is on another level than Wiggins. I don’t think this is the case. I think they’re very close right now.

Here is Wiggins’ last 5 games… 

Andrew Wiggins – 17.2 ppg 7.8 rpg 2.2 apg on 48%/42%/81% over his last 5 games ( 4 top 25 teams in a row, plus TCU )

[JoeWolf1]

There are a lot of people who think Parker is on another level than Wiggins. I don’t think this is the case. I think they’re very close right now.

Here is Wiggins’ last 5 games… 

Andrew Wiggins – 17.2 ppg 7.8 rpg 2.2 apg on 48%/42%/81% over his last 5 games ( 4 top 25 teams in a row, plus TCU )

[lalailaParticipant]

I’m almost with you guys, while I see a guy who can be an allstar but I don’t see Carmelo I dont see a 29ppg scorer on a good team..

he isn’t that quick and athleticism matters, no doubt 

[lalailaParticipant]

I’m almost with you guys, while I see a guy who can be an allstar but I don’t see Carmelo I dont see a 29ppg scorer on a good team..

he isn’t that quick and athleticism matters, no doubt 

[baggin13Participant]

I am glad somebody said something. Personaly I don’t think he has figured out how to be a college player yet. Don’t get me wrong, he is very talented and will be selected very high…but I think he plays Hero ball too much.

[baggin13Participant]

I am glad somebody said something. Personaly I don’t think he has figured out how to be a college player yet. Don’t get me wrong, he is very talented and will be selected very high…but I think he plays Hero ball too much.

[IhateusernamesParticipant]

 Jabari will figure out where to get his points. He’s not like Glenn Robinson, just standing there taking lazy 18 footers because hes so talented enough of them will go in. Jabari will be much more efficient than big dog.

My question is will Jabari be a "ball stopper" like Carmelo? Where he gets his points, but he stalls the offense every time he touches it.

Wiggins long term upside is frightening. The whole issue with him is motor. Usually guys with motor issues dont fix them. Although LaMarcus Aldridge has given me hope on that one.

I’d pick Jabari first, but Wiggins could be the best 3rd pick since MJ.

 

 

 

[machu46Participant]

I think Wiggins motor is blown way out of proportion.  It’s not like he’s a Perry Jones kinda guy where he almost never had big games.  I’ve seen multiple games of his this year where you could tell he was getting super intense/emotional and he’s stepped up in a lot of their biggest games.  

 I think it’s more likely that he’s sort of coasting through his one year of college because he wants to be in the NBA already.  I’m really not worried about his motor at all at the next level.  He has other concerns though, such as his ball-handling and jumpshot.

[machu46Participant]

I think Wiggins motor is blown way out of proportion.  It’s not like he’s a Perry Jones kinda guy where he almost never had big games.  I’ve seen multiple games of his this year where you could tell he was getting super intense/emotional and he’s stepped up in a lot of their biggest games.  

 I think it’s more likely that he’s sort of coasting through his one year of college because he wants to be in the NBA already.  I’m really not worried about his motor at all at the next level.  He has other concerns though, such as his ball-handling and jumpshot.

[IhateusernamesParticipant]

 Jabari will figure out where to get his points. He’s not like Glenn Robinson, just standing there taking lazy 18 footers because hes so talented enough of them will go in. Jabari will be much more efficient than big dog.

My question is will Jabari be a "ball stopper" like Carmelo? Where he gets his points, but he stalls the offense every time he touches it.

Wiggins long term upside is frightening. The whole issue with him is motor. Usually guys with motor issues dont fix them. Although LaMarcus Aldridge has given me hope on that one.

I’d pick Jabari first, but Wiggins could be the best 3rd pick since MJ.

 

 

 

[jwall1Participant]

His start IMO was a big enough sample to accurately showcase his ability. He may be struggling a bit now, but I don’t see why he could not turn it around. Wiggins has been far more inconsistent thus far, so besides Embiid, who has been the better prospect this season? If he continues to slump for the rest of the season, thats a different story. Stats do not tell the whole story. Anyone who has seen him play knows how good and talented he really is….

[jwall1Participant]

His start IMO was a big enough sample to accurately showcase his ability. He may be struggling a bit now, but I don’t see why he could not turn it around. Wiggins has been far more inconsistent thus far, so besides Embiid, who has been the better prospect this season? If he continues to slump for the rest of the season, thats a different story. Stats do not tell the whole story. Anyone who has seen him play knows how good and talented he really is….

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Ill give jabari credit.  The man likes to shoot and likes to score, passing……..not.so much.  How many times last.night did.he put.his head down, drive.into the teeth of the Pittsburgh defense and throw up a wild and.contested shot?  I.could.understand.if.duke didn’t have other talented players, but he has Suleiman, hood and cook.  If his jumper isn’t falling.and.He’s not scoring, what dos he give.you?  He’s surprising.fAst.in the.open court, but he isn’t.quick.  he has the potential to be a serious.ball-stopper.in the.league.  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Ill give jabari credit.  The man likes to shoot and likes to score, passing……..not.so much.  How many times last.night did.he put.his head down, drive.into the teeth of the Pittsburgh defense and throw up a wild and.contested shot?  I.could.understand.if.duke didn’t have other talented players, but he has Suleiman, hood and cook.  If his jumper isn’t falling.and.He’s not scoring, what dos he give.you?  He’s surprising.fAst.in the.open court, but he isn’t.quick.  he has the potential to be a serious.ball-stopper.in the.league.  

[max23Participant]

 In those first 7 games,people including myself thought he was a possible passing Carmelo,averaging 2.5 assists.In past 8 games,hes had 4 total assists against 15 turnovers…

[max23Participant]

 In those first 7 games,people including myself thought he was a possible passing Carmelo,averaging 2.5 assists.In past 8 games,hes had 4 total assists against 15 turnovers…

[SpinCycle88Participant]

 I see all of your points. As far as Wiggins and Parker being on different levels, I never agreed with that. That said, how much of Jabaris’ inefficiencies can be attributed to his role on a Duke team with a complete lack of a big man or anchoring presence on the defensive end on the floor. I knew going in that Coach K would have him doing A LOT, and considering that Parker wasn’t exactly an athletic freak coming out of high school, I’m seeing a fatigued yet still uber-talented prospect. On a team where needs at the 4 and 5 are addressed, I see Parker much more efficient. And if he continues to progress in his conditioning, I see an even brighter future for him. Not Melo bright, but bright nonetheless.

[SpinCycle88Participant]

 I see all of your points. As far as Wiggins and Parker being on different levels, I never agreed with that. That said, how much of Jabaris’ inefficiencies can be attributed to his role on a Duke team with a complete lack of a big man or anchoring presence on the defensive end on the floor. I knew going in that Coach K would have him doing A LOT, and considering that Parker wasn’t exactly an athletic freak coming out of high school, I’m seeing a fatigued yet still uber-talented prospect. On a team where needs at the 4 and 5 are addressed, I see Parker much more efficient. And if he continues to progress in his conditioning, I see an even brighter future for him. Not Melo bright, but bright nonetheless.

[SpinCycle88Participant]

 I see all of your points. As far as Wiggins and Parker being on different levels, I never agreed with that. That said, how much of Jabaris’ inefficiencies can be attributed to his role on a Duke team with a complete lack of a big man or anchoring presence on the defensive end on the floor. I knew going in that Coach K would have him doing A LOT, and considering that Parker wasn’t exactly an athletic freak coming out of high school, I’m seeing a fatigued yet still uber-talented prospect. On a team where needs at the 4 and 5 are addressed, I see Parker much more efficient. And if he continues to progress in his conditioning, I see an even brighter future for him. Not Melo bright, but bright nonetheless.

[SpinCycle88Participant]

 I see all of your points. As far as Wiggins and Parker being on different levels, I never agreed with that. That said, how much of Jabaris’ inefficiencies can be attributed to his role on a Duke team with a complete lack of a big man or anchoring presence on the defensive end on the floor. I knew going in that Coach K would have him doing A LOT, and considering that Parker wasn’t exactly an athletic freak coming out of high school, I’m seeing a fatigued yet still uber-talented prospect. On a team where needs at the 4 and 5 are addressed, I see Parker much more efficient. And if he continues to progress in his conditioning, I see an even brighter future for him. Not Melo bright, but bright nonetheless.

[SpinCycle88Participant]

 I see all of your points. As far as Wiggins and Parker being on different levels, I never agreed with that. That said, how much of Jabaris’ inefficiencies can be attributed to his role on a Duke team with a complete lack of a big man or anchoring presence on the defensive end on the floor. I knew going in that Coach K would have him doing A LOT, and considering that Parker wasn’t exactly an athletic freak coming out of high school, I’m seeing a fatigued yet still uber-talented prospect. On a team where needs at the 4 and 5 are addressed, I see Parker much more efficient. And if he continues to progress in his conditioning, I see an even brighter future for him. Not Melo bright, but bright nonetheless.

[SpinCycle88Participant]

 I see all of your points. As far as Wiggins and Parker being on different levels, I never agreed with that. That said, how much of Jabaris’ inefficiencies can be attributed to his role on a Duke team with a complete lack of a big man or anchoring presence on the defensive end on the floor. I knew going in that Coach K would have him doing A LOT, and considering that Parker wasn’t exactly an athletic freak coming out of high school, I’m seeing a fatigued yet still uber-talented prospect. On a team where needs at the 4 and 5 are addressed, I see Parker much more efficient. And if he continues to progress in his conditioning, I see an even brighter future for him. Not Melo bright, but bright nonetheless.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Taking Jabari Parker ahead of Wiggins could get a GM fired.  I don’t think a GM will get fired taking Wiggins over Parker. 

Parker and Smart should be fighting it out for the 3rd spot in the draft.

The top pick is Embiid’s to lose, but Wiggins could make a run at it if he takes it to another level during March Madness.

To that guy who mentioned Glenn Robinson, when I looked at this thread, his name came to my mind too.  Jabari’s floor is pretty high, but yeah, his ceiling could be in Big Dog range.  Not sure that is worth a top 2 pick this year.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Taking Jabari Parker ahead of Wiggins could get a GM fired.  I don’t think a GM will get fired taking Wiggins over Parker. 

Parker and Smart should be fighting it out for the 3rd spot in the draft.

The top pick is Embiid’s to lose, but Wiggins could make a run at it if he takes it to another level during March Madness.

To that guy who mentioned Glenn Robinson, when I looked at this thread, his name came to my mind too.  Jabari’s floor is pretty high, but yeah, his ceiling could be in Big Dog range.  Not sure that is worth a top 2 pick this year.

[strobox88Participant]

 Anybody remember Chris Grant getting fired for taking Anthony Bennett #1 overall last year? Didn’t think so.  If he can take Anthony Bennet (who wasn’t top 3 on most big boards) #1, why couldn’t a team take a player who is top 3 on nearly every big board imaginable for this year’s NBA draft?

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 horrible logic. Last years draft was one of the weakest in recent memory. Bennet was also predicted to go in the top 5 in most mock drafts. Also,where someone is picked in a mock draft and where they’re picked originally means nothing. NBA Gm’s/teams are the ones who are scouting these players. watchin game film,working them out,interviewing them,their coaches/teammates,etc.

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 horrible logic. Last years draft was one of the weakest in recent memory. Bennet was also predicted to go in the top 5 in most mock drafts. Also,where someone is picked in a mock draft and where they’re picked originally means nothing. NBA Gm’s/teams are the ones who are scouting these players. watchin game film,working them out,interviewing them,their coaches/teammates,etc.

 

[strobox88Participant]

Horrible logic? How do you figure? Are you saying because the 2013 draft class was weaker, that makes it okay for teams to draft busts? Where’s the logic in that? hmm…

[strobox88Participant]

Horrible logic? How do you figure? Are you saying because the 2013 draft class was weaker, that makes it okay for teams to draft busts? Where’s the logic in that? hmm…

[strobox88Participant]

 Anybody remember Chris Grant getting fired for taking Anthony Bennett #1 overall last year? Didn’t think so.  If he can take Anthony Bennet (who wasn’t top 3 on most big boards) #1, why couldn’t a team take a player who is top 3 on nearly every big board imaginable for this year’s NBA draft?

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 he wont be a franchise player.

he;s getting exposed. cant beat people off the dribble,settles for long 2s/3s.

his shot % has dropped since the start of the year where people didnt know how to play him.

not a good athlete compared to NBA SF’s.

people will be dissapointed with his NBA career.

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 he wont be a franchise player.

he;s getting exposed. cant beat people off the dribble,settles for long 2s/3s.

his shot % has dropped since the start of the year where people didnt know how to play him.

not a good athlete compared to NBA SF’s.

people will be dissapointed with his NBA career.

 

[Rip255]

I actually see Parker building a lot more size/strength and playing the 4, as opposed to the 3 in the NBA. I like Carlos Boozer comparisons with the ability to stretch the floor a little more. 

No reason why he couldn’t average 22pts and 10 rebs per game in the pro’s. 

 

 

[Rip255]

I actually see Parker building a lot more size/strength and playing the 4, as opposed to the 3 in the NBA. I like Carlos Boozer comparisons with the ability to stretch the floor a little more. 

No reason why he couldn’t average 22pts and 10 rebs per game in the pro’s. 

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 the 4? adding more size and strength??? He’s already abit over weight,his body fat is high and doesnt have much muscle mass. his body is very soft.too much fat.

he’s only 6’8. at the 4 he’ll be undersized,not to mention not being a good athelete in NBA standards.

im sorry but im not drafting a Boozer like player with a top 3 pick.lol sorry.

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 the 4? adding more size and strength??? He’s already abit over weight,his body fat is high and doesnt have much muscle mass. his body is very soft.too much fat.

he’s only 6’8. at the 4 he’ll be undersized,not to mention not being a good athelete in NBA standards.

im sorry but im not drafting a Boozer like player with a top 3 pick.lol sorry.

 

[Ghost01Participant]

 "Take out a third of his games and…"

Seriously?

Listen, I actually don’t think Parker is on "another level" than Wiggins, but who cares if Wiggins put up good stats for a few games? Or bad stats in other games? Or Parker was good/bad in certain stretches statistically?

College basketball stats mean nothing. Look at Jimmer Fredette. Adam Morrison.

Watch the players, and watch how they play, how they get their points, how they are being used, etc.

I believe both Parker and Wiggins are in situations that aren’t advantageous to their NBA prospects. Parker suffers from having a PG obsessed with dribbling around, plays with another legitimate college star, and has way more "big man" defensive/rebounding responsibilies than he would have on most teams.

Wiggins plays on a team that plays a veryyyy college offense. And there are a lot of freshmen looking like freshmen.

What I do value, is the fact Parker is a lot more aggressive than Wiggins. Some people actually think it is good Wiggins is how he is, but I don’t. I don’t want a guy on my team to be that quiet for that many long stretches. Yes he scored 27 against TCU, but he was awful against OK State. I just wish he looked more like a "star", not a guy who has a good game from time to time. He can’t dribble, and that bothers me too.

Parker undoubtably takes questionable shots, but he isn’t a total ball hog. He passes it to open guys and makes a lot of big plays. I think he is just a very confident player, who’s had some ups and downs his freshmen year.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ghost01Participant]

 "Take out a third of his games and…"

Seriously?

Listen, I actually don’t think Parker is on "another level" than Wiggins, but who cares if Wiggins put up good stats for a few games? Or bad stats in other games? Or Parker was good/bad in certain stretches statistically?

College basketball stats mean nothing. Look at Jimmer Fredette. Adam Morrison.

Watch the players, and watch how they play, how they get their points, how they are being used, etc.

I believe both Parker and Wiggins are in situations that aren’t advantageous to their NBA prospects. Parker suffers from having a PG obsessed with dribbling around, plays with another legitimate college star, and has way more "big man" defensive/rebounding responsibilies than he would have on most teams.

Wiggins plays on a team that plays a veryyyy college offense. And there are a lot of freshmen looking like freshmen.

What I do value, is the fact Parker is a lot more aggressive than Wiggins. Some people actually think it is good Wiggins is how he is, but I don’t. I don’t want a guy on my team to be that quiet for that many long stretches. Yes he scored 27 against TCU, but he was awful against OK State. I just wish he looked more like a "star", not a guy who has a good game from time to time. He can’t dribble, and that bothers me too.

Parker undoubtably takes questionable shots, but he isn’t a total ball hog. He passes it to open guys and makes a lot of big plays. I think he is just a very confident player, who’s had some ups and downs his freshmen year.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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