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  • #36904
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    CodySLC
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    Pretty amazing that he was the last pick in the draft. The 5"9 pg has beat out Jimmer the 10th pick as the starter in Sacramento. Had 18points and 8assists tonight against the Jazz, and over his last 5 games has averaged 18ppg 4rpg and 6apg. 

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  • #642318
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    BasketBalAllan
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    Cousins led them in the first half, and Thomas in the second. If he keeps playing with this kind of passion he will find himself in the league for a long time.

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  • #642357
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    NCarmean18
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     I really like Isaiah.  On a talent level, he should have been a late first round pick but his size really hurt him.  However, I think he may have found a niche playing in Sacramento.  It’s quite ironic that the last guy in the draft has played better in the playing time he has gotten than some other rookies that were drafted in the top 15.  

    I really enjoyed watching Isaiah play last year in his final year over at Washington.  I always had faith in him, and now he helps spread confidence throughout Sacramento.  

    The Kings have the young talent to help build something special, they just need a good coach to help pull it all together.  How can you argue with some of the young talent they have?  Isaiah Thomas, Tyreke Evans, Marcus Thorton, Tyler Honeycutt, J.J. Hickson, Jason Thompson, and DeMarcus Cousins all have the potential to be pretty solid players in this league, and with a little help and better team chemistry, they will get there.  

    The future looks bright in Sacramento.

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  • #642361
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    Johnny Chill

    Steal of the Draft.

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  • #642386
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    diddy11
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    If Isaiah Thomas were about a 6’2 guard (heck I’d go as low as a 6’0 guard) he would have definitely been in the 1st round. Maybe in the 20 range or so. He is an exceptional athlete for his size and you can not deny skill and the will to become better. His ambition to get better is through the roof. Also, his jumper is improving and thats a must for a small gaurd (guards period) like himself. He will only get better in time.

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  • #642389
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    Future_Scout

     pierre jackson next year, anyone?…. if he declares of course.

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  • #642392
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    FastAndFurious
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     I actually think Pierre Jackson is more explosive than Thomas is, but I don’t think he should declare this year, unless he has a big run in the tourney.

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  • #642394
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    Future_Scout

     to be completely honest, me either. i think he should stay together with quincy miller. i relate him to isaiah just cuss i dont see him cracking the first round, no matter what he does because of his height, but he will be a good nba player

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  • #642403
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    JNixon
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     Pierre Jackson isn’t near the talent Isaiah Thomas is as a basketball player.

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  • #642404
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    Malcolmx
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    Isaiah is a stellar athlete but pierre is on Nate’s level with athleticism.So in that category pierre has him but skill wise Isaiah has it. Pierre maybe is the better shooter though.

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  • #642406
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    JoeWolf1

    Isaiah is a great athlete, I don’t think Pierre Jackson is superior athletically. If anything, I’ll give the edge to Thomas.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNRpb_GtZNU&feature=related

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  • #642427
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    FastAndFurious
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    Nah bra lol Jackson has Thomas beat athletically………

    You can watch the whole video but skip to 1:15 to see what i’m talking about.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VorHpmXC-go

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  • #642436
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    JNixon
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     I think Jackson is more explosive athletically, but he’s not as good a PG as Thomas. And that’s saying something because Thomas is a still learning the position and getting polish. Jackson is a more confident outside shooter, but he’s not as talented a player and he’s much more out of control than Thomas has ever been. Thomas needs to get more efficient, but I do not see Jackson being anywhere near as good and I think he would struggle worse than Thomas has in his efficiency against NBA competition. Jackson honestly isn’t nearly as good as Thomas was in college either. I just see past the athleticism with Jackson, and he’s not a very good NBA prospect if you actually look at the substance behind the flash and athleticism.

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  • #642437
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    Future_Scout

     i have to disagree with u ^. to each their own

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  • #642439
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    FastAndFurious
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    I agree, I don’t think Jackson is as skilled as Thomas, but he’s good, really good, once he gets this year under his belt, I think he takes off next year.

    Jackson is a JUCO transfer and it usually takes most JUCO players a year to get adjusted to the new level of bball there playing.

    Look at Jae Crowder, who did good last year, but is beating this year and is clearly a level above what he was last year, he needed that year, to get adjusted.

    I see the same thing happening with Pierre, he can shoot,get his own shot whenever,he’s athletic,super quick, and can dish the rock.

    I’m not saying he is or will be good as Isaiah, then again I’m not saying he won’t either.

     

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  • #642440
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    JNixon
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    What does Pierre Jackson do better than Isaiah Thomas that projects to the NBA? I dont see anything other than being more explosive athletically. I doubt he’ll even shoot nearly as good in the NBA as he has this year. I see his efficiency dropping a bit next year with P. Jones, A. Jones, Acy, and possibly Miller gone too. He is a wild short tweener guard with athleticism.

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  • #642443
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    FastAndFurious
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     In college, he shoots the 3 better than Thomas, he shoots better from the field than Thomas did, they both average 6 assist, and I’m basing this off of Thomas’s last year at Washington(JR year).

    I said, I don’t think Jackson is as skilled as Thomas, because as you said next year will really tell if Jackson’s numbers are good because he’s on a good team or it’s because he really is good, he is wild and out of control at times, but that’s a given when you have that type of speed and quickness and play uptempo 75 % of the game.

    But you can’t just throw him under the bus, he has had some monster games, and will be an NBA prospect if he does well in the tourney, he already has the buzz, I think he needs another year honestly, but if he can improve then he’s a NBA pick to me.

     

     

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  • #642470
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    Malcolmx
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     Pierre will shock a lot of you Pierre Haters

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  • #642482
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    Chilbert arenas
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     What a cop out to just call them "Pierre Haters". People are just being critical of his game which is what this site is about, doesn’t mean they’re "Hating". I like Pierre and think he will make it at the next level, but I think one more year would do him some good so he can come into his own as a leader of the team.  

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  • #642486
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    JoeWolf1

    Just because he jump out of hte gym doesn’t make him a draft pick.  I like him as a college player, but Isaiah was the man on his team.  He was the go to guy, and I feel for a short combo guard like that to make it they have to be the man and have that mentality.

    Look at Goudelock, Thornton, Thomas, Meeks and others like them.  They were all the go to guys on their teams.  Plus he’s 5’10”, just because one 5’10”guy can make it doesn’t mean every other good 5’10” guy in college is more poised to make the leap into the NBA.  Maybe Jackson will prove me wrong, and he’ll have another season to do so, but I don’t see him as a guy, like Isaiah, that is capable of putting up some big numbers.

    He might be an NBA player, but I see 3rd guard off the bench if he does.

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  • #642489
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    Future_Scout

     last time i checked pierre was arguably baylor’s best player this year and def their go-to guy

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  • #642498
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    JoeWolf1

     Not really, Baylor is a team that really doesn’t have a #1 option.  They spread the ball around and usually one or two players step up and fill that void.  Sometimes, it is Jackson.  

    Yet, I don’t view him as the #1 guy at all, or their best player.  PJIII is an inconsistant player who failed to live up to his top 3 hype, but at the end of the day, the guy is still a lottery pick.  Jackson has had 12 games this season, in which he failed to reach double digits.  That is 40% of their games.  A go to guy doesn’t score 9 or less points in 40% of his team’s games.

     

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  • #642506
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    FastAndFurious
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     I don’t know who said Jackson would make it to the league just because he could jump.

    But ALONG with his great athletic ability, he is the Bears most consistent player on the team, and you can argue that he is their best player:

    2nd in scoring

    1st in assist

    First in 3pt% while shooting 2nd most 3’s

    1st in steals

    2nd in FT%

    And against top 25 teams(6games):

    Perry Jones averages:

    10.4 PPG 5.4 RPG

     

    Quincy Acy averages:

    11.6 PPG 7.1 RPG

     

    Quincy Miller averages

    15 PPG  3.8 RPG

     

    While Pierre Jackson averages:

    12.6 PPG  and 8 assist per game.

    So you can argue Jackson is Baylors best player, and he is their most consitent.

     

     

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  • #642509
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    Future_Scout

     everytime i watch them play, i get a feeling that BOTH, quincy miller and pj3 take a backseat to pierre. i’m pretty sure i said that before too. good input youngdave btw…

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  • #642511
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    Future_Scout

     how did you get those stats? you add em up yourself? please answer me!

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  • #642513
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    FastAndFurious
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     Yea, I just added all their numbers up from the 6 times they played against nationally ranked teams and some games Pierre had were just downright crazy, and even watching the games Jackson looked like the Bears best player, his ability to get in the lane is on another level:

    10pts, 11ast, 5boards against Kansas State #18 at the time

    11pts, 11ast in against Kansas #7 at the time

    20pts, 15ast,4boards against Missouri #5 at the time

     

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