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  • #21542
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    valentine

    I’ve been reading this on other sites and it got me thinking that this maybe true

    Blake is a solid NBA starter on a playoff team
    same can be said for barnes
    Shannon brown could start for non playoff teams. Not so sure about a playoff team but he’s a solid bench player
    odom is a starting on a playoff or title caliber team and has allstar talent
    theo ratliff. Is a good backup center

    what really makes them special is how good most of them are on defense add to the fact that there games fit perfectly in the triangle offense and the promise that ebanks and caracter shows and Sasha who sometimes looks like a good backup on offense and is a pest on defense and Walton if healthy doesn’t help you alot but the key is he doesn’t really hurt you

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  • #400324
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    I agree this Laker bench is deep but

    Steve Blake is not a solid starter on a playoff team. Matt Barnes isin’t either. I agree somewhat on Odom but he plays hard like 40 games a year. He isin’t a guy I wouldn’t want to rely on for 82 plus games. Shannon Brown is ALRIGHT to me. He’s a leaper off the bench. To me, it says something that a good amount of teams needed wings this offseason and didn’t really look towards him. Theo is a good backup center.

    Overall, I say it is a top 5 bench though.

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  • #400338
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I agree this Laker bench is deep but

    Steve Blake is not a solid starter on a playoff team. Matt Barnes isin’t either. I agree somewhat on Odom but he plays hard like 40 games a year. He isin’t a guy I wouldn’t want to rely on for 82 plus games. Shannon Brown is ALRIGHT to me. He’s a leaper off the bench. To me, it says something that a good amount of teams needed wings this offseason and didn’t really look towards him. Theo is a good backup center.

    Overall, I say it is a top 5 bench though.

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  • #400332
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    gone
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    Celtics bench is pretty deep

    Shaq
    JO
    Von Wafer
    Nate
    Delonte West
    Big Baby

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  • #400347
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    Celtics bench is pretty deep

    Shaq
    JO
    Von Wafer
    Nate
    Delonte West
    Big Baby

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  • #400348
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    stanford hoops

    Blake showed to be a solid starter on the blazers playoff team. Barnes showed to be a solid starter on orlandos playoff team so reguardless how we feel about them they already proved to be solid starters on playoff teams

    Never said they are the deepest in the NBA but they are deeper then alot of past laker teams which is very scarey for everyone else

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  • #400363
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    stanford hoops

    Blake showed to be a solid starter on the blazers playoff team. Barnes showed to be a solid starter on orlandos playoff team so reguardless how we feel about them they already proved to be solid starters on playoff teams

    Never said they are the deepest in the NBA but they are deeper then alot of past laker teams which is very scarey for everyone else

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  • #400358
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    To you he showed he was a solid starter. I didn’t believe that. If Steve Blake is your starting point guard, unless you have really good players around him- Your not getting past the 1st round.

    Barnes isin’t either. He got alot of his PT split with Pietrus and Reddick in this post season because he wasn’t effective at all.

    Regardless of how you feel, they weren’t good starters. To be honest, both were a reason there teams lost series. Blake couldn’t hold up with Aaron Brooks ( Brooks averaged like 17-7 against him in round 1) and Barnes when giving the starting job, couldn’t hold Ray Allen or Paul Pierce which had J.J. Reddick and Micheal Pietrus out there.

    In the end, there best off the bench.

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  • #400373
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    To you he showed he was a solid starter. I didn’t believe that. If Steve Blake is your starting point guard, unless you have really good players around him- Your not getting past the 1st round.

    Barnes isin’t either. He got alot of his PT split with Pietrus and Reddick in this post season because he wasn’t effective at all.

    Regardless of how you feel, they weren’t good starters. To be honest, both were a reason there teams lost series. Blake couldn’t hold up with Aaron Brooks ( Brooks averaged like 17-7 against him in round 1) and Barnes when giving the starting job, couldn’t hold Ray Allen or Paul Pierce which had J.J. Reddick and Micheal Pietrus out there.

    In the end, there best off the bench.

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  • #400362
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    PG – Ty Lawson
    SG – J.R. Smith
    SF – Renaldo Balkman
    PF – Al Harrington
    C – Chris Anderson

    I’d take that over the Raptors starting lineup.

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  • #400377
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    PG – Ty Lawson
    SG – J.R. Smith
    SF – Renaldo Balkman
    PF – Al Harrington
    C – Chris Anderson

    I’d take that over the Raptors starting lineup.

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  • #400368
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    stanford hoops

    I’m not the only one who thinks this. Stew scoot. HOopsworld, NBA tv guys. Espns hollinger, scouts.com guy who was on calherds show. And other people from
    other sites. That’s why I started this post. So even though you may not agree there are many fans and NBA talking heads who agree

    That biggest bench would get hurt against raptors starting five
    Anderson fouls out and doesn’t give u much offense. Same with balkman. Jr smith won’t run you’re offense he will do his own thing. He can help you or hurt you ( John starks anyone) there’s almost no inbeteeen with him

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  • #400383
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    stanford hoops

    I’m not the only one who thinks this. Stew scoot. HOopsworld, NBA tv guys. Espns hollinger, scouts.com guy who was on calherds show. And other people from
    other sites. That’s why I started this post. So even though you may not agree there are many fans and NBA talking heads who agree

    That biggest bench would get hurt against raptors starting five
    Anderson fouls out and doesn’t give u much offense. Same with balkman. Jr smith won’t run you’re offense he will do his own thing. He can help you or hurt you ( John starks anyone) there’s almost no inbeteeen with him

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  • #400385
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    stanford hoops

    On the lakers they are best off the bench but they have proven they don’t hurt you as starters

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  • #400370
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    stanford hoops

    On the lakers they are best off the bench but they have proven they don’t hurt you as starters

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  • #400387
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I’m not the only one who thinks this. Stew scoot. HOopsworld, NBA tv guys. Espns hollinger, scouts.com guy who was on calherds show. And other people fromother sites. That’s why I started this post. So even though you may not agree there are many fans and NBA talking heads who agree

    That’s cool. There the same people who said alot of things wrong in the past as well. Let’s not act like because they have a opinion makes correct because there a big name. I agree the Lakers bench is probably at it’s best. The 2008 bench was alright but they didn’t win. What I disagree with is if they all said Matt Barnes and Steve Blake were solid playoff starters. THAT I disagree with.

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  • #400372
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I’m not the only one who thinks this. Stew scoot. HOopsworld, NBA tv guys. Espns hollinger, scouts.com guy who was on calherds show. And other people fromother sites. That’s why I started this post. So even though you may not agree there are many fans and NBA talking heads who agree

    That’s cool. There the same people who said alot of things wrong in the past as well. Let’s not act like because they have a opinion makes correct because there a big name. I agree the Lakers bench is probably at it’s best. The 2008 bench was alright but they didn’t win. What I disagree with is if they all said Matt Barnes and Steve Blake were solid playoff starters. THAT I disagree with.

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  • #400384
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    I would say the Celtics are the deepest team, but the oldest. The lakers are more deep compared to last year’s team. The laker’s bench has been the main weakness of the Lakers actually.

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  • #400400
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    I would say the Celtics are the deepest team, but the oldest. The lakers are more deep compared to last year’s team. The laker’s bench has been the main weakness of the Lakers actually.

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  • #400407
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    stanford hoops

    there’s a difference with predictions and opinions based off facts

    solid starters

    Anthony Parker
    Blake
    barnes
    fisher
    Ron brewer
    Bruce Bowen
    udonis haslem

    Guys who can start have started and dint hurt you but helps you as a starter. Can be replaced in the line up but like I said they don’t cause you to lose when they are out there because they provide things that help you. You’re more then welcome to have a different opinion I’m
    just stating the fact that many
    more people call them solid starters then people who don’t ( many more from the five different sites I’ve been on plus reading indepth previews from sites we all respect

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  • #400423
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    stanford hoops

    there’s a difference with predictions and opinions based off facts

    solid starters

    Anthony Parker
    Blake
    barnes
    fisher
    Ron brewer
    Bruce Bowen
    udonis haslem

    Guys who can start have started and dint hurt you but helps you as a starter. Can be replaced in the line up but like I said they don’t cause you to lose when they are out there because they provide things that help you. You’re more then welcome to have a different opinion I’m
    just stating the fact that many
    more people call them solid starters then people who don’t ( many more from the five different sites I’ve been on plus reading indepth previews from sites we all respect

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  • #400424
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    stanford hoops

    Yea I agree the lakers bench has been weak in the past. The only weakness other then point guard now we have a good bench and a good back up

    Other solid starters

    Eric snow
    the kid from ucla on the bucks team
    Marvin Williams
    the sg and center from
    okc

    Charles smith from thr knicks

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  • #400439
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    stanford hoops

    Yea I agree the lakers bench has been weak in the past. The only weakness other then point guard now we have a good bench and a good back up

    Other solid starters

    Eric snow
    the kid from ucla on the bucks team
    Marvin Williams
    the sg and center from
    okc

    Charles smith from thr knicks

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  • #400502
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    Anthony Parker
    Blake
    barnes
    fisher
    Ron brewer
    Bruce Bowen
    udonis haslem

    Other then Ronnie Brewer, I don’t think none of them should start. Fisher benefits from Kobe.

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  • #400517
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    Anthony Parker
    Blake
    barnes
    fisher
    Ron brewer
    Bruce Bowen
    udonis haslem

    Other then Ronnie Brewer, I don’t think none of them should start. Fisher benefits from Kobe.

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  • #400651
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    MrAnalyst

    None of those names you said I would want to start for my team, other than Brewer. And even him, I think he is better suited coming off the bench if you are a team competing for a championship. Blake? C’mon he’s been horrible everywhere he’s been. Anthony Parker? Fisher? Barnes? Should not start. Fisher does benefit from Kobe, Lamar, Artest, Gasol, and Bynum. When 4 out of them 5 are on the floor with you, your team will do pretty well no matter who you are.

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  • #400664
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    MrAnalyst

    None of those names you said I would want to start for my team, other than Brewer. And even him, I think he is better suited coming off the bench if you are a team competing for a championship. Blake? C’mon he’s been horrible everywhere he’s been. Anthony Parker? Fisher? Barnes? Should not start. Fisher does benefit from Kobe, Lamar, Artest, Gasol, and Bynum. When 4 out of them 5 are on the floor with you, your team will do pretty well no matter who you are.

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  • #400665
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    stanford hoops

    There’s a difference between a fan saying they wouldn’t start a player and a team starting a player. If ut was up to fans Eric snow wouldn’t have been in the NBA and gerld green would be. Most fans just see flash but not the lik things like hitting the open shit. Good defense. Taking charges. Not hurting a team when out there. Mist fans would start jr smith instead of bringing him
    off the bench. Lil things like that seperate some fans from ever playing past highschool or becoming coachs(other then talent)

    I dare you to find one team or any site saying Blake was a horrible starter

    Derek benifits from Kobe but he’s also good. Just anyone can’t do what he did in the playoffs for his career

    obviously teams don’t feel the same way since those guys have started for a season or more

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  • #400678
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    stanford hoops

    There’s a difference between a fan saying they wouldn’t start a player and a team starting a player. If ut was up to fans Eric snow wouldn’t have been in the NBA and gerld green would be. Most fans just see flash but not the lik things like hitting the open shit. Good defense. Taking charges. Not hurting a team when out there. Mist fans would start jr smith instead of bringing him
    off the bench. Lil things like that seperate some fans from ever playing past highschool or becoming coachs(other then talent)

    I dare you to find one team or any site saying Blake was a horrible starter

    Derek benifits from Kobe but he’s also good. Just anyone can’t do what he did in the playoffs for his career

    obviously teams don’t feel the same way since those guys have started for a season or more

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  • #400673
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    The Lakers bench will be improved, but I don’t think they’re the deepest in the league.

    Blake – He’s solid, but I don’t know if he’s a solid starter on a playoff team. I mean, he’s only played in three playoff series’ his entire career and his last one with the Blazers wasn’t all that good. He made some CRUCIAL mistakes that series vs Houston. I think he’ll be good in the triangle though.

    Brown – He plays decent defense and dunks, but he’s not all that good. Averaged less than 5 points in the playoffs. Less than 40% FG, less than 29% 3-PT and only 71% from the line.

    Barnes – He’ll bring toughness and hustle, but he’s not all that good to be honest. He’ll give you a three-pointer here and there, but he’s not a very good shooter percentage wise.

    Odom – He’s still a starter coming off of the bench, but he wasn’t as good in last year’s playoffs as he was in the past two.

    Ratliff – He’s old, but he’s solid in limited minutes. He’s good for a block and a few rebounds, but he’s had knee issues.

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  • #400686
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    The Lakers bench will be improved, but I don’t think they’re the deepest in the league.

    Blake – He’s solid, but I don’t know if he’s a solid starter on a playoff team. I mean, he’s only played in three playoff series’ his entire career and his last one with the Blazers wasn’t all that good. He made some CRUCIAL mistakes that series vs Houston. I think he’ll be good in the triangle though.

    Brown – He plays decent defense and dunks, but he’s not all that good. Averaged less than 5 points in the playoffs. Less than 40% FG, less than 29% 3-PT and only 71% from the line.

    Barnes – He’ll bring toughness and hustle, but he’s not all that good to be honest. He’ll give you a three-pointer here and there, but he’s not a very good shooter percentage wise.

    Odom – He’s still a starter coming off of the bench, but he wasn’t as good in last year’s playoffs as he was in the past two.

    Ratliff – He’s old, but he’s solid in limited minutes. He’s good for a block and a few rebounds, but he’s had knee issues.

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  • #400729
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    llperez

    im real excited about the lakers off season. Blake should split minutes with fisher. And barnes will add a defensive presence off the bench when kobe or artest sit. Carracter and ebanks are probably not ready to contribute this year, but they could add energy during lop sided games and eventually work their way in the lineup in another year or two.

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  • #400742
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    llperez

    im real excited about the lakers off season. Blake should split minutes with fisher. And barnes will add a defensive presence off the bench when kobe or artest sit. Carracter and ebanks are probably not ready to contribute this year, but they could add energy during lop sided games and eventually work their way in the lineup in another year or two.

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  • #400743
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    The Lakers bench as a whole is overrated.
    Shannon Brown maybe more than anyone, how many teams were after him in the offseason maybe 3 total including the Lakers.
    He shot 33% on 3 pointers, he did very lil in the playoffs.
    Blake is a nice player but if guys like Andre Miller, Derek Fisher are starting ahead of you your nothing special.
    He’s capable of filling in obviously but would just be avg. at best as a starer.
    Barnes is a nice addition but don’t get too excited he averaged 6 ppg in the playoffs and they had some blowouts too.
    He can play defense but couldn’t stop Ray Allen or Paul Pierce in the Conf. Finals.
    Vujacic, Walton the days of them having big roles like the 07-08 seasons are behind them now.
    Ratliff he’s played for half the teams in the league already he’s 4 yrs past his prime.
    Obviously Odom is the best player off the bench, he’s a very versatile player.
    Only real knock on him is his jump shot from outside 15 ft. and his free throw shooting.
    He’s not a prolific scorer just a great role player.
    Rest of the guys just taking up roster spots and fill in during garbage time.
    This bench outside of Odom won’t have much of an impact in the playoffs just the regular season.

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  • #400756
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    The Lakers bench as a whole is overrated.
    Shannon Brown maybe more than anyone, how many teams were after him in the offseason maybe 3 total including the Lakers.
    He shot 33% on 3 pointers, he did very lil in the playoffs.
    Blake is a nice player but if guys like Andre Miller, Derek Fisher are starting ahead of you your nothing special.
    He’s capable of filling in obviously but would just be avg. at best as a starer.
    Barnes is a nice addition but don’t get too excited he averaged 6 ppg in the playoffs and they had some blowouts too.
    He can play defense but couldn’t stop Ray Allen or Paul Pierce in the Conf. Finals.
    Vujacic, Walton the days of them having big roles like the 07-08 seasons are behind them now.
    Ratliff he’s played for half the teams in the league already he’s 4 yrs past his prime.
    Obviously Odom is the best player off the bench, he’s a very versatile player.
    Only real knock on him is his jump shot from outside 15 ft. and his free throw shooting.
    He’s not a prolific scorer just a great role player.
    Rest of the guys just taking up roster spots and fill in during garbage time.
    This bench outside of Odom won’t have much of an impact in the playoffs just the regular season.

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  • #400749
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    llperez

    lakers only use about 8-9 guys in the playoffs anyways. Anyone unbiased should admit that barnes and blake are solid 7th and 8th men. Brown and ratliff are fringe role players when the playoffs start. Thats a very solid bench and defenitely better then the ones that helped win titles the last 2 seasons.

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  • #400762
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    llperez

    lakers only use about 8-9 guys in the playoffs anyways. Anyone unbiased should admit that barnes and blake are solid 7th and 8th men. Brown and ratliff are fringe role players when the playoffs start. Thats a very solid bench and defenitely better then the ones that helped win titles the last 2 seasons.

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  • #400787
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    billyk
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    Udonis Haslem was the starting power foward on a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM…. How would you NOT what his as a starter… He brings energy, toughness, defense, and rebounding… He gives you a consistent 10 pts and 8 rebs.. Plus a legits mid range game…

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    Udonis Haslem was the starting power foward on a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM…. How would you NOT what his as a starter… He brings energy, toughness, defense, and rebounding… He gives you a consistent 10 pts and 8 rebs.. Plus a legits mid range game…

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  • #400874
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    Jlv2010

    Lakers in 7.

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  • #400889
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    Jlv2010

    Lakers in 7.

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