[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Just watched lsu lose again to a team with decidedly inferior overall talent. While Simmons once again put up impressive numbers I once again came away slightly underwhelmed with his overall performance. Even though his stat line was impressive if you actually watched the game he was far from dominant.

This was exactly the type of game where Simmons could have went off. Wake forest had no one that could match up with him and actually had a 6-3 guard defend him for a large portion of the 2nd half. Instead, he came out lackadaisical and passive. He was sloppy with the ball and forced several bad passes rather than putting the pressure on the d and attacking. He came alive somewhat in the second half but still didn’t really take over the game or anything, which is what you would expect in this type of game from the guy who most project to be the best NBA prospect possibly since lebron. There were large stretches when he looked like he was just going through the motions and content to let his less talented teammates dictate the offense.

If this were just one game I wouldn’t think too much of it but I’ve noticed this several times now when watching Simmons. Is it possible that he just lacks that killer instinct necessary to be an elite player at the next level. Is it possible that we are overrating him and he’s not the can’t miss superstar people are projecting him to be?

 

 

[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

I would like to see him play some conference games before I make any evaluations on him, but you do bring up some good points. LSU has had a very weak non conference schedule so it is hard to evaluate him. He is putting up big numbers, but his team is losing games, so you wonder if it is him, his teammates or coaching. To me, he is being way to passive. He needs to be a lot more aggressive trying to get points for himself. He passes the ball so much when a pass is not necessary. I watched the game against Houston and he was passing when he could have easily scored for himself.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

I agree. We need to see him play an actual tournament team, but we won’t see that in conference play because the SEC is a joke of a basketball conference. Considering all the preseason hype on LSU and Ben Simmons, it’s been a bust of a year this season. Ben Simmons has led his team to a current 12-7 record and they currently hold the 6 spot in the SEC standings.

 

 

[We The PeopleParticipant]

I agree. We need to see him play an actual tournament team, but we won’t see that in conference play because the SEC is a joke of a basketball conference. Considering all the preseason hype on LSU and Ben Simmons, it’s been a bust of a year this season. Ben Simmons has led his team to a current 12-7 record and they currently hold the 6 spot in the SEC standings.

 

 

[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

I would like to see him play some conference games before I make any evaluations on him, but you do bring up some good points. LSU has had a very weak non conference schedule so it is hard to evaluate him. He is putting up big numbers, but his team is losing games, so you wonder if it is him, his teammates or coaching. To me, he is being way to passive. He needs to be a lot more aggressive trying to get points for himself. He passes the ball so much when a pass is not necessary. I watched the game against Houston and he was passing when he could have easily scored for himself.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 I put more blame on the coaching of LSU then I do on Ben.. he does need to pick up the effort levels because that has been lacking at times, and him being a bit more assertive would certainly help LSU win games, but make no mistakes, Johnny Jones is a flat out terrible basketball coach and I would take LSU’s win/loss tally with a grain of salt when evaluating Ben’s ability when the draft comes around.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 I put more blame on the coaching of LSU then I do on Ben.. he does need to pick up the effort levels because that has been lacking at times, and him being a bit more assertive would certainly help LSU win games, but make no mistakes, Johnny Jones is a flat out terrible basketball coach and I would take LSU’s win/loss tally with a grain of salt when evaluating Ben’s ability when the draft comes around.

[OaktownWarriorsParticipant]

 No…he’s just a freshman.  

[OaktownWarriorsParticipant]

 No…he’s just a freshman.  

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Antonio Blakeney Needs to step up!!!!!!

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Antonio Blakeney Needs to step up!!!!!!

[Hype Machine]

I’d say the writer of the draftnet SEC blog who just called his offensive game ‘Raw’ is overated.

How can one of the most polished freshman ever, be called ‘raw’?

Am I crazy here…or is this about as accurate as saying Steph Curry is a bad shooter…

Cos in my eyes…hes pretty much the last freshman I’d describe as Raw?

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

I’d say the writer of the draftnet SEC blog who just called his offensive game ‘Raw’ is overated.

How can one of the most polished freshman ever, be called ‘raw’?

Am I crazy here…or is this about as accurate as saying Steph Curry is a bad shooter…

Cos in my eyes…hes pretty much the last freshman I’d describe as Raw?

 

 

 

 

 

[gopack10Participant]

The whole quote is below.  I don’t think the writer was calling him simply "Raw" as you put it.  Try not to pick out one word when there are others around it that give context.  The writer was saying that he is a little raw outside of 15 feet which is correct.  His jump shot still needs work and any scout that has written about him knows that he still needs to improve on that part of his game.  And yes, you are crazy if you  think that calling Simmons "somewhat raw" when referring to his outside game is the same thing as saying that Steph Curry is a bad shooter.

"He still has a ways to go to become a complete player as he is still somewhat raw on the offensive end, particularly outside of 15 feet but that will come in time as he continues to improve his range."

[gopack10Participant]

The whole quote is below.  I don’t think the writer was calling him simply "Raw" as you put it.  Try not to pick out one word when there are others around it that give context.  The writer was saying that he is a little raw outside of 15 feet which is correct.  His jump shot still needs work and any scout that has written about him knows that he still needs to improve on that part of his game.  And yes, you are crazy if you  think that calling Simmons "somewhat raw" when referring to his outside game is the same thing as saying that Steph Curry is a bad shooter.

"He still has a ways to go to become a complete player as he is still somewhat raw on the offensive end, particularly outside of 15 feet but that will come in time as he continues to improve his range."

[We The PeopleParticipant]

No you are not crazy if you call his game "somewhat raw." He CANNOT shoot from outside the paint, just look at the stats and watch his games. So that definitely isn’t the same thing as saying that Steph Curry is a bad shooter. If Simmons constantly hit outside shots, such as mid range and 3s, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But he instead he is putting up games of 15, 13, 10, 12 against lackluster opponents such as College of Charleston, Houston, and irrelevant SEC opponents. 

[We The PeopleParticipant]

No you are not crazy if you call his game "somewhat raw." He CANNOT shoot from outside the paint, just look at the stats and watch his games. So that definitely isn’t the same thing as saying that Steph Curry is a bad shooter. If Simmons constantly hit outside shots, such as mid range and 3s, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But he instead he is putting up games of 15, 13, 10, 12 against lackluster opponents such as College of Charleston, Houston, and irrelevant SEC opponents. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

I wouldn’t say his offensive game is raw but he is a little underdeveloped as far as being able to score the ball right now. I don’t care about his scoring average against inferior competition. Hes great in an open court game where he can use his athleticism to get to the basket. However, his lack of an outside shot really limits his ability as a go to scorer in the half court. He is not real comfortable in the low post right now and hasn’t really developed a signature move yet that all the great scorers have in their arsenal when they need to get a bucket. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

I wouldn’t say his offensive game is raw but he is a little underdeveloped as far as being able to score the ball right now. I don’t care about his scoring average against inferior competition. Hes great in an open court game where he can use his athleticism to get to the basket. However, his lack of an outside shot really limits his ability as a go to scorer in the half court. He is not real comfortable in the low post right now and hasn’t really developed a signature move yet that all the great scorers have in their arsenal when they need to get a bucket. 

[UncledrewParticipant]

Ben is a great prospect far from raw. Has a complete game aside from his jumpshot the only thing he lacks now is experience picking when to takeover and differ. As for over rated…He’s probably a little over rated in the aspect that the nba and espn is looking for its next generational talent and he’s got thrown in the hype machine especially with his game being compared to Lebron. He does have the skills and athleticism to be a great player but it’s hard to say he’s a for sure generational talent like Lebron was coming out of high school where everyone just knew he was going to be special. Ben will be special no doubt but THAT special is remain to be seen.

[UncledrewParticipant]

Ben is a great prospect far from raw. Has a complete game aside from his jumpshot the only thing he lacks now is experience picking when to takeover and differ. As for over rated…He’s probably a little over rated in the aspect that the nba and espn is looking for its next generational talent and he’s got thrown in the hype machine especially with his game being compared to Lebron. He does have the skills and athleticism to be a great player but it’s hard to say he’s a for sure generational talent like Lebron was coming out of high school where everyone just knew he was going to be special. Ben will be special no doubt but THAT special is remain to be seen.

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

His teammates are terrible.  Minutes went by and Simmons woudln’t get a touch in the post.  He’s your best player…just give him the ball.

That Hornsby kid was supposed to be some sniper…watching him run around reminded me of like the typical Coach’s son who gets playtime but doens’t have an athletic bone in his body…feel bad for him but he’s overmatched.

The rest of the team just needs to start feeding him more. I saw one point in the second half where Simmons was annoyed he dind’t get the ball.

Having said that, he is raw some skills, he can definitely improve on his shooting AND his finishing at the rim and post-moves AND strength downlow.  

I just think the kid is naturally very intelligent on the court, he’s always thinking and always in the right spot.  Add that to his size and athleticism and there is no way you don’t take him #1.

Comparing anyone to Lebron is silly.  Guy has been to the Finals year after year.  So tahts an unfair comparison.  Even Lebron has a flaw (his jumper), but you can’t expect a 19 year old to be playing perfect ball.  Of coruse he has things to develop, most glaringly that shot.  It took Lebron some time to establish himself in the post too, so he can develop.

As a Sixers fan, as much as I like his handling for a bigman, really great passing, and speed, the fact that he can’t shoot and is prone to play near the basket worries me since we’re already loaded with bigmen, I wonder where he will play in the NBA.  In transition though I guarantee he’ll be one of the best in the game.  He will have to learn the halfcourt game, thats okay, he’s 19.  I just really hope he can play the 3 position.

But yeah, I’d blame his teammates and his coach.  He needs way more touches.  He needs to not just hand the ball off to his teammates and take control from the point, and not play in the paint so much.  Its hard for him to dominate without a jumper, but he needs to play like a swingman and really continue to work on his handles.

I also saw a couple of those forced passes, but dang, that one two handed pass that almost connected was a thing of beauty, just like the pass where he slid and made the bounce pass.  

His body is basically perfect, athletically, like perfectly symmetric.  He just needs to work on some proprioception stuff and that jumper.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

His teammates are terrible.  Minutes went by and Simmons woudln’t get a touch in the post.  He’s your best player…just give him the ball.

That Hornsby kid was supposed to be some sniper…watching him run around reminded me of like the typical Coach’s son who gets playtime but doens’t have an athletic bone in his body…feel bad for him but he’s overmatched.

The rest of the team just needs to start feeding him more. I saw one point in the second half where Simmons was annoyed he dind’t get the ball.

Having said that, he is raw some skills, he can definitely improve on his shooting AND his finishing at the rim and post-moves AND strength downlow.  

I just think the kid is naturally very intelligent on the court, he’s always thinking and always in the right spot.  Add that to his size and athleticism and there is no way you don’t take him #1.

Comparing anyone to Lebron is silly.  Guy has been to the Finals year after year.  So tahts an unfair comparison.  Even Lebron has a flaw (his jumper), but you can’t expect a 19 year old to be playing perfect ball.  Of coruse he has things to develop, most glaringly that shot.  It took Lebron some time to establish himself in the post too, so he can develop.

As a Sixers fan, as much as I like his handling for a bigman, really great passing, and speed, the fact that he can’t shoot and is prone to play near the basket worries me since we’re already loaded with bigmen, I wonder where he will play in the NBA.  In transition though I guarantee he’ll be one of the best in the game.  He will have to learn the halfcourt game, thats okay, he’s 19.  I just really hope he can play the 3 position.

But yeah, I’d blame his teammates and his coach.  He needs way more touches.  He needs to not just hand the ball off to his teammates and take control from the point, and not play in the paint so much.  Its hard for him to dominate without a jumper, but he needs to play like a swingman and really continue to work on his handles.

I also saw a couple of those forced passes, but dang, that one two handed pass that almost connected was a thing of beauty, just like the pass where he slid and made the bounce pass.  

His body is basically perfect, athletically, like perfectly symmetric.  He just needs to work on some proprioception stuff and that jumper.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[rcomly21Participant]

Simmons is over rated as far as being the transcendent talent people rave about. He’s a solid player, but until he gets a jumper that is even mediocre he will not reach his potential. Brandon Ingram is the true transcendent talent in this draft. Today’s game is all about spacing and Ingram brings that. He’s also an under rated passer. Brandon Ingram has a better chance of being a star and the more Simmons I watch the more I start to think of Lamar Odom. Very good player but not a transcendent player until his jumper and killer instinct improve. 

[rcomly21Participant]

Simmons is over rated as far as being the transcendent talent people rave about. He’s a solid player, but until he gets a jumper that is even mediocre he will not reach his potential. Brandon Ingram is the true transcendent talent in this draft. Today’s game is all about spacing and Ingram brings that. He’s also an under rated passer. Brandon Ingram has a better chance of being a star and the more Simmons I watch the more I start to think of Lamar Odom. Very good player but not a transcendent player until his jumper and killer instinct improve. 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Ingram is being coached by Coack K and has a far better supporting cast.  It helps a lot when everyone else around you knows how to play and your coach is ripping into you if you make mistakes.

But I actually agree, if Ingram’s body develops, overall he has more skills than Simmons because of Simmons shot.

I think Simmons is the better athlete though, and will be able to score in transition.  6’10” and he’s just more athletic nad powerful than Odom.  

What we’re not seeing right now, is Simmons dominate the ball and make the great pass.  Simmons needs to conduct an offense, and he needs to have toher really good players around him, and I think he’ll get that in the NBA.  He’s not being used correctly and his teammates suck.  I think what sets Simmons apart from both Ingram and a guy like Lamar Odom, is his handling skills and his athleticism, and people fantacize about that when playing in the NBA.

Its the same thing with Jaylen Brown.  People see Brown as a man amongst boys at his age, but he cant play off the ball, and he doesn’t really have the ballhandling skills or size of Ben Simmons.

Simmons is a 6’10” guy doing Steph Curry like guard drills….I think being at LSU, he hasnt’ been working on those skills and hasn’t been showing them on teh court.  

I still take Simmons….BUT

this draft kind of reminds me of Oden Durant.  Durant was never seriously considered to go #1, and I never really got that.  I always saw Durant to have the basketball skills, while Oden had size.  I am one of the few that would DEFINITELY have taken Kevin Durant over Greg Oden in that draft.  I view Ingram as Durant, teeming with potential, and Simmons as more of a Greg Oden type.  

 

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Ingram is being coached by Coack K and has a far better supporting cast.  It helps a lot when everyone else around you knows how to play and your coach is ripping into you if you make mistakes.

But I actually agree, if Ingram’s body develops, overall he has more skills than Simmons because of Simmons shot.

I think Simmons is the better athlete though, and will be able to score in transition.  6’10” and he’s just more athletic nad powerful than Odom.  

What we’re not seeing right now, is Simmons dominate the ball and make the great pass.  Simmons needs to conduct an offense, and he needs to have toher really good players around him, and I think he’ll get that in the NBA.  He’s not being used correctly and his teammates suck.  I think what sets Simmons apart from both Ingram and a guy like Lamar Odom, is his handling skills and his athleticism, and people fantacize about that when playing in the NBA.

Its the same thing with Jaylen Brown.  People see Brown as a man amongst boys at his age, but he cant play off the ball, and he doesn’t really have the ballhandling skills or size of Ben Simmons.

Simmons is a 6’10” guy doing Steph Curry like guard drills….I think being at LSU, he hasnt’ been working on those skills and hasn’t been showing them on teh court.  

I still take Simmons….BUT

this draft kind of reminds me of Oden Durant.  Durant was never seriously considered to go #1, and I never really got that.  I always saw Durant to have the basketball skills, while Oden had size.  I am one of the few that would DEFINITELY have taken Kevin Durant over Greg Oden in that draft.  I view Ingram as Durant, teeming with potential, and Simmons as more of a Greg Oden type.  

 

 

 

 

 

  

[ProximoParticipant]

 Yep.. I don’t think Simmons is hands down the best prospect in this draft.. 

 

Depends on the team of course – Ingram, Bender and Murray are the types of players that could potentially kill it in team workouts and go higher.

FWIW – I’ve had Ingram #1 for a while now…

 

[ProximoParticipant]

 Yep.. I don’t think Simmons is hands down the best prospect in this draft.. 

 

Depends on the team of course – Ingram, Bender and Murray are the types of players that could potentially kill it in team workouts and go higher.

FWIW – I’ve had Ingram #1 for a while now…

 

[Hype Machine]

 Lol last time one of these ‘Simmons is overated’ threads came up, he dropped 43 the next day.

Lets see how many fans of the team that wins the first pick still wants someone else.

Its all just white noise…Brandon Ingram ahead of Simmons sounds novel when there’s nothing at stake. Simmons is 9 months away from taking the NBA by storm.

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Lol last time one of these ‘Simmons is overated’ threads came up, he dropped 43 the next day.

Lets see how many fans of the team that wins the first pick still wants someone else.

Its all just white noise…Brandon Ingram ahead of Simmons sounds novel when there’s nothing at stake. Simmons is 9 months away from taking the NBA by storm.

 

 

 

 

[ProximoParticipant]

Simmons dropped 43 against a bunch of 6’8" bigs on North Florida, I guess thats helped some conclude he’s lapped the field…  Not me…

His rebounding numbers on the season are inflated.  I also have my doubts he’s a legit 6’10",,,

I don’t see any reason to jump to a conclusion about the 1st pick in the 2016 draft, while its still 2015.. There’s no clear-cut #1 Anthony Davis type to be had..

 Whats with just 2 assists in this game vs Wake Forest?!
What about 4 points in 40 minutes played vs NC State?
What about a combined 9 for 27 for 26 points vs Charleston and Gardner-Webb?? 

That shit doesn’t seem Lebron-esque if ya ask me..

Simmons teammates aren’t nearly as bad as some of his sympathizers will make them out to be, which is why I know he’s slightly overrated..  He’s surrounded by 4-star recruits, and Blakeney’s a 5-star. They have players that will get looks in the leauge, especially if some of those LSU proday measurements are even remotely accurate(which they aren’t — Just check the 3/4 court sprint times..)

Ingram’s just warming up. He’s averaging 23ppg this month, nearly 2 blocks and 2 steals a game too and after a rough start he’s already back at 38% from 3 — Ask these people who vouch for Simmons as far and away the best player, what Ingram could do to take that top spot — They’ll probably tell you nothing or something outlandish..

For now; I see no clear cut #1, as long as Bender keeps making his 3’s at a near 50% clip, and Murray can string together some dominant performances this will continue to be a race.

[ProximoParticipant]

Simmons dropped 43 against a bunch of 6’8" bigs on North Florida, I guess thats helped some conclude he’s lapped the field…  Not me…

His rebounding numbers on the season are inflated.  I also have my doubts he’s a legit 6’10",,,

I don’t see any reason to jump to a conclusion about the 1st pick in the 2016 draft, while its still 2015.. There’s no clear-cut #1 Anthony Davis type to be had..

 Whats with just 2 assists in this game vs Wake Forest?!
What about 4 points in 40 minutes played vs NC State?
What about a combined 9 for 27 for 26 points vs Charleston and Gardner-Webb?? 

That shit doesn’t seem Lebron-esque if ya ask me..

Simmons teammates aren’t nearly as bad as some of his sympathizers will make them out to be, which is why I know he’s slightly overrated..  He’s surrounded by 4-star recruits, and Blakeney’s a 5-star. They have players that will get looks in the leauge, especially if some of those LSU proday measurements are even remotely accurate(which they aren’t — Just check the 3/4 court sprint times..)

Ingram’s just warming up. He’s averaging 23ppg this month, nearly 2 blocks and 2 steals a game too and after a rough start he’s already back at 38% from 3 — Ask these people who vouch for Simmons as far and away the best player, what Ingram could do to take that top spot — They’ll probably tell you nothing or something outlandish..

For now; I see no clear cut #1, as long as Bender keeps making his 3’s at a near 50% clip, and Murray can string together some dominant performances this will continue to be a race.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

Thank you! Finally someone who understands! Preech it brutha!!!

[We The PeopleParticipant]

Thank you! Finally someone who understands! Preech it brutha!!!

[Hype Machine]

If there’s currently a race…its not a very close one. 

[Hype Machine]

If there’s currently a race…its not a very close one. 

[123BballMasterParticipant]

 Ben Simmons is a classic case of when numbers sometimes lie. You look at his numbers and your like ‘Wow!’, but then you watch him play and he leaves a lot to be desired. I think his passing skill is a little overrated in my opinion. He sometimes seems to me that he forces passes when he should have just scored. He doesn’t know how to score yet either, most of his buckets come either transition, lobs, or mismatches in the post. LSU is a bad team with a bad coach, I’ll give you that, but you can make the argument that he’s been able to put up these numbers because of the cupcake schedule they play. The two best teams they played so far this year have been NC State and Wake Forest, and he’s had mediocre games against both, not to mention bad games against far inferior competition such as college of Charlestown. He’s obviously a great player, but he’s no Lebron and the hype machine needs to cool down a bit. 

If I were a GM, I would take a very hard look at Ingram. Ingram is everything you want in a modern player. He’s tall, long, athletic, range, ballskills, and versatile. So far, it seems as though Ingrams only weakness is his weight, which is easier to fix than a broken jumpshot. The only thing Simmons has definitively on Ingram is passing, although Ingrams passing is underrated because he is just being asked to fit in the system at Duke, as opposed to Simmons who has the authority to do whatever. 

[123BballMasterParticipant]

 Ben Simmons is a classic case of when numbers sometimes lie. You look at his numbers and your like ‘Wow!’, but then you watch him play and he leaves a lot to be desired. I think his passing skill is a little overrated in my opinion. He sometimes seems to me that he forces passes when he should have just scored. He doesn’t know how to score yet either, most of his buckets come either transition, lobs, or mismatches in the post. LSU is a bad team with a bad coach, I’ll give you that, but you can make the argument that he’s been able to put up these numbers because of the cupcake schedule they play. The two best teams they played so far this year have been NC State and Wake Forest, and he’s had mediocre games against both, not to mention bad games against far inferior competition such as college of Charlestown. He’s obviously a great player, but he’s no Lebron and the hype machine needs to cool down a bit. 

If I were a GM, I would take a very hard look at Ingram. Ingram is everything you want in a modern player. He’s tall, long, athletic, range, ballskills, and versatile. So far, it seems as though Ingrams only weakness is his weight, which is easier to fix than a broken jumpshot. The only thing Simmons has definitively on Ingram is passing, although Ingrams passing is underrated because he is just being asked to fit in the system at Duke, as opposed to Simmons who has the authority to do whatever. 

[Hype Machine]

The old "empty stats" arguement.

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

The old "empty stats" arguement.

 

 

 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 When he is 30 years old and has played 10 years in the NBA, this question will answer itself, and it will of course be a resounding no.

[Andrew1984Participant]

 When he is 30 years old and has played 10 years in the NBA, this question will answer itself, and it will of course be a resounding no.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

You’re an ignorant bafoon sir.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

You’re an ignorant bafoon sir.

[Bob BallParticipant]

1.the coaching is bad

2.Simmons is not the best prospect since Lebron not even Close Durant and Anthony Davis were far better prospects.

  3.Blakeny hasn’t been good.

I wrote this about Simmons a few weeks agoi please give it a read http://www.bobbawblog.com/ben-simmons/

 

 

[Bob BallParticipant]

1.the coaching is bad

2.Simmons is not the best prospect since Lebron not even Close Durant and Anthony Davis were far better prospects.

  3.Blakeny hasn’t been good.

I wrote this about Simmons a few weeks agoi please give it a read http://www.bobbawblog.com/ben-simmons/

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 The number one thing I see is he is thinking to hard about shooting from mid range to further out. He double cluthces looks up and then never shoots any way. It is actually killing th flow of the team. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 The number one thing I see is he is thinking to hard about shooting from mid range to further out. He double cluthces looks up and then never shoots any way. It is actually killing th flow of the team. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 We have to hype SOMEBODY.  This is an NBA DRAFT web site.  Before this was Skal.  Now, Skal has faltered a bit, and there aren’t as many guys to hype up, so it’s 24/7 BS (Ben Simmons).

… I think he pencils in as a 4 IF as someone wondered, if he is REALLY 6’10.  They said the same thing about Mike Beasley, but his 6’10 turned into 6’9 then closer to 6’7.  

If Ben Simmons comes in closer to 6’8 then I think that drops his upside a bit (still number 1 on the board and a top 3 LOCK), but it essentially makes him only a SF.  I think Simmons has the MOST value as a play maker at the power forward spot.  Kind of why I threw out a Danny Manning comparison for Ben Simmons a few days ago.  Manning was a legit 6’10.  Guys like Manning, Odom, and even Kukoc are players you can play at the 4 (and probably are better FITS at the 4), which makes guys like this really dangerous.

Here is ANOTHER comparison for Ben Simmons: Boris Diaw.  He isn’t athletic now, but he WAS.  Boris was a guy who can still play several positions on the court.  That might be the BEST comparison, especially if BS comes in closer to 6’8 (and I don’t think his LENGTH/wingspan is anything to write home about).

… I also agree with another poster here that it COULD be like the Oden/Durant draft where you have TWO TOP prospects, then a drop off, or a perceived drop off.  

So, it is HARD to pass up on BS at 1.  If you DO pass him up and he tears it up, then you could get fired.  On a risk evaluated basis, you might be better off falling to 2 and taking Brandon Ingram.  

Who turns out better/develops more between the two might come down to where each guy goes.  How does the guy fit, what is his role, and who is the coach?

I am sure that Simmons would fit best on certain teams, while Ingram would be a better fit on some other teams.

And, as I have said before, the LSU games vs. Kentucky (regular season then perhaps in the SEC tourney) might be Ben Simmons’ March Madness and Final Four.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 We have to hype SOMEBODY.  This is an NBA DRAFT web site.  Before this was Skal.  Now, Skal has faltered a bit, and there aren’t as many guys to hype up, so it’s 24/7 BS (Ben Simmons).

… I think he pencils in as a 4 IF as someone wondered, if he is REALLY 6’10.  They said the same thing about Mike Beasley, but his 6’10 turned into 6’9 then closer to 6’7.  

If Ben Simmons comes in closer to 6’8 then I think that drops his upside a bit (still number 1 on the board and a top 3 LOCK), but it essentially makes him only a SF.  I think Simmons has the MOST value as a play maker at the power forward spot.  Kind of why I threw out a Danny Manning comparison for Ben Simmons a few days ago.  Manning was a legit 6’10.  Guys like Manning, Odom, and even Kukoc are players you can play at the 4 (and probably are better FITS at the 4), which makes guys like this really dangerous.

Here is ANOTHER comparison for Ben Simmons: Boris Diaw.  He isn’t athletic now, but he WAS.  Boris was a guy who can still play several positions on the court.  That might be the BEST comparison, especially if BS comes in closer to 6’8 (and I don’t think his LENGTH/wingspan is anything to write home about).

… I also agree with another poster here that it COULD be like the Oden/Durant draft where you have TWO TOP prospects, then a drop off, or a perceived drop off.  

So, it is HARD to pass up on BS at 1.  If you DO pass him up and he tears it up, then you could get fired.  On a risk evaluated basis, you might be better off falling to 2 and taking Brandon Ingram.  

Who turns out better/develops more between the two might come down to where each guy goes.  How does the guy fit, what is his role, and who is the coach?

I am sure that Simmons would fit best on certain teams, while Ingram would be a better fit on some other teams.

And, as I have said before, the LSU games vs. Kentucky (regular season then perhaps in the SEC tourney) might be Ben Simmons’ March Madness and Final Four.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[We The PeopleParticipant]

Another person who gets it. Thank god we still have logical people in this world.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

Another person who gets it. Thank god we still have logical people in this world.

[EspressoParticipant]

 I had compared him to Diaw, if his shot doesn’t start dropping.

I do think he is slightly overrated, Ingram seems to be at the 1 spot right now, but that can change quickly.

For the record, he’s not taller than 6’9 imo.

[EspressoParticipant]

 I had compared him to Diaw, if his shot doesn’t start dropping.

I do think he is slightly overrated, Ingram seems to be at the 1 spot right now, but that can change quickly.

For the record, he’s not taller than 6’9 imo.

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[Sam_Da_Man17Participant]

 If he learns how to shoot or atleast take advantage of a mismatch he will just be a better version of Lamar Odom….nothing transendent like everyone thinks.  

and hell no he is not a better prospect the KD or even AD…i think everyone is so surprised about those rebonding numbers.  but remember KD was rebonding the same, and he played on the perimeter where as ben simmon scores only near the basket. 

 

[Sam_Da_Man17Participant]

 If he learns how to shoot or atleast take advantage of a mismatch he will just be a better version of Lamar Odom….nothing transendent like everyone thinks.  

and hell no he is not a better prospect the KD or even AD…i think everyone is so surprised about those rebonding numbers.  but remember KD was rebonding the same, and he played on the perimeter where as ben simmon scores only near the basket. 

 

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 OMG this thread…I have no words lol

[We The PeopleParticipant]

 That’s because you’re a pussy

[We The PeopleParticipant]

 That’s because you’re a pussy

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 OMG this thread…I have no words lol

[mgreener_34Participant]

 I think he’s over rated in the sense that he’s not Kevin Durant or LeBron James, but I don’t think he’s pulling a Beasley on us, but that’s what people want to see. They want to see what Beasley did at KST, and they want Ben to take over games and prove that he’s something he’s not. 

People say his numbers are lying, but what are they lying about? They tell me that he is a smart 6’10 forward who can rebound, pass, and score in the paint and in transition, and that’s what all the hype is about. No one touted Ben as the next Kevin Durant as a scorer, and everything we’ve wanted to see from him, he’s shown us. How can you know the kid for playing weak teams? How can you knock him for not scoring? He’s averaging near 20/13/6 for christs sake! What more do you want? 

I also think you need to keep in mind that this is college not the NBA. In the NBA he’s going to have far more space than he does now, and we should be praising his ability to score in the paint, but instead we are demonizing him because he’s not Steph Curry. The league is different than college, and Bens game is far and away more suited for the NBA where his ability to run the floor, handle the rock, finishing ability, and ability to hit the open man will all be on display, and make him a fantastic player. 

I also think you guys need to understand how young he is. He’s a freshman. How many freshman have that killer attitude? Better yet, how many of them have it and are actually successful? Newman isn’t too hot right now. Neither is Brown. Same for most of the players who have that swagger, because they can’t back it up just yet because they are young, just like ben. 

This reminds me of Harrison Barnes. People wanted the same thing from Harrison that they want from Simmons, and people hated on Barnes so much that he fell all the way to GS when he should have been a top pick. You think anyone regretted not taking Barnes now?

[mgreener_34Participant]

 I think he’s over rated in the sense that he’s not Kevin Durant or LeBron James, but I don’t think he’s pulling a Beasley on us, but that’s what people want to see. They want to see what Beasley did at KST, and they want Ben to take over games and prove that he’s something he’s not. 

People say his numbers are lying, but what are they lying about? They tell me that he is a smart 6’10 forward who can rebound, pass, and score in the paint and in transition, and that’s what all the hype is about. No one touted Ben as the next Kevin Durant as a scorer, and everything we’ve wanted to see from him, he’s shown us. How can you know the kid for playing weak teams? How can you knock him for not scoring? He’s averaging near 20/13/6 for christs sake! What more do you want? 

I also think you need to keep in mind that this is college not the NBA. In the NBA he’s going to have far more space than he does now, and we should be praising his ability to score in the paint, but instead we are demonizing him because he’s not Steph Curry. The league is different than college, and Bens game is far and away more suited for the NBA where his ability to run the floor, handle the rock, finishing ability, and ability to hit the open man will all be on display, and make him a fantastic player. 

I also think you guys need to understand how young he is. He’s a freshman. How many freshman have that killer attitude? Better yet, how many of them have it and are actually successful? Newman isn’t too hot right now. Neither is Brown. Same for most of the players who have that swagger, because they can’t back it up just yet because they are young, just like ben. 

This reminds me of Harrison Barnes. People wanted the same thing from Harrison that they want from Simmons, and people hated on Barnes so much that he fell all the way to GS when he should have been a top pick. You think anyone regretted not taking Barnes now?

[Hype Machine]

 Bump – for naming and shaming purposes lol.

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Bump – for naming and shaming purposes lol.

 

 

[We The PeopleParticipant]

 Ben Simmons came out of high school as the unanimous #1 prospect, and even before he hit college the kid was receiving way too much praise. Many people are saying that he will be a no doubt Hall of Famer…ummm hello people? The KID is 19 and he hasn’t played an "actual" team this year. Also for those who praise Simmons, I have one question for you. HAVE YOU WATCHED HIM PLAY IN A GAME IN COLLEGE? Yes, I am aware he put up one 40 point game and had 5 blocks and steals, but that was against North Florida. A team who has been to the tournament about 4 times in the programs history. That game actually ended 119-108. Another game you may have not seen was a LOSS to a lackluster Houston team by 7 points at a Neutral Location which saw the "highly talented Ben Simmons" score 13 points and foul out. On Nov. 30 LSU traveled to the College of Charleston and walked out losers 58-70. Simmons had 15 points in that game and fouled out. Are you kidding me? A Hall of Fame bound player fouling out of multiple games and leading his team to not making the tournament. I don’t know if we have ever had a unanimous #1 player not make the tournament. If you have watched his games you will see that he is far from being a DOMINANT player. His offensive game is very raw. The only points he scores are from 4ft and in by driving, dunking, and little post game. He has no outside game whatsoever. (No mid-range, can’t shoot 3’s) Don’t get me wrong he is a very good player, but he is nowhere near the player everyone puts him out to be. I predict he will go to a couple all star games as an NBA player, but he will be more of a Paul Millsap type player.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

 Ben Simmons came out of high school as the unanimous #1 prospect, and even before he hit college the kid was receiving way too much praise. Many people are saying that he will be a no doubt Hall of Famer…ummm hello people? The KID is 19 and he hasn’t played an "actual" team this year. Also for those who praise Simmons, I have one question for you. HAVE YOU WATCHED HIM PLAY IN A GAME IN COLLEGE? Yes, I am aware he put up one 40 point game and had 5 blocks and steals, but that was against North Florida. A team who has been to the tournament about 4 times in the programs history. That game actually ended 119-108. Another game you may have not seen was a LOSS to a lackluster Houston team by 7 points at a Neutral Location which saw the "highly talented Ben Simmons" score 13 points and foul out. On Nov. 30 LSU traveled to the College of Charleston and walked out losers 58-70. Simmons had 15 points in that game and fouled out. Are you kidding me? A Hall of Fame bound player fouling out of multiple games and leading his team to not making the tournament. I don’t know if we have ever had a unanimous #1 player not make the tournament. If you have watched his games you will see that he is far from being a DOMINANT player. His offensive game is very raw. The only points he scores are from 4ft and in by driving, dunking, and little post game. He has no outside game whatsoever. (No mid-range, can’t shoot 3’s) Don’t get me wrong he is a very good player, but he is nowhere near the player everyone puts him out to be. I predict he will go to a couple all star games as an NBA player, but he will be more of a Paul Millsap type player.

[Hype Machine]

Lol I must have been negged 100 times in this thread

What is it about Aussie Basketballers thats so easy to dislike.

Delly and Bogut are apparently the dirtiest players (ridiculous..Blake Griffin just punched an equipment manager…Ron Artest intentionally knocked James Harden out with an elbow and started a stadium brawl)

And Simmons has a lot of haters for no apparent reason.

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Lol I must have been negged 100 times in this thread

What is it about Aussie Basketballers thats so easy to dislike.

Delly and Bogut are apparently the dirtiest players (ridiculous..Blake Griffin just punched an equipment manager…Ron Artest intentionally knocked James Harden out with an elbow and started a stadium brawl)

And Simmons has a lot of haters for no apparent reason.

 

 

 

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

 I think everyone is pretty much explaining their reason. No one "hates" him, this is a website where you talk about prospects and if the fact that someones doesn’t like a player doesn’t mean that they hate him.

It is what it is, he cannot shoot or is a beast on the block as for someone to say he will be dominant as a 4. His shooting problem is extremly concerning because he is a SF. At the 4 his advantage is taking bigs to the perimeterand hope he can blow by them, which will only get harder as his shot keeps not developing.

[EspressoParticipant]

 I think everyone is pretty much explaining their reason. No one "hates" him, this is a website where you talk about prospects and if the fact that someones doesn’t like a player doesn’t mean that they hate him.

It is what it is, he cannot shoot or is a beast on the block as for someone to say he will be dominant as a 4. His shooting problem is extremly concerning because he is a SF. At the 4 his advantage is taking bigs to the perimeterand hope he can blow by them, which will only get harder as his shot keeps not developing.

[We The PeopleParticipant]

Couldn’t have said it better myself 

[We The PeopleParticipant]

Couldn’t have said it better myself 

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