[andxxxParticipant]

 I was really bored and was looking at some old articles for the NHL lockout for comparison to the NBA lockout.  The situations are actually quite similar the owners want guaranteed profitability and a salary cap which the NHLPA at the time absolutely refused to have.  NHL players played overseas during the season, but with a lost season the players ultimately lost and a salary cap was instituted.  If there is a lockout is it good for the overall health of the league?  What happens to the Heat’s big 3?

Just wanted you guys thoughts because when the NBA comes back again it could end up looking way different than it does now and I want thoughts on how this affects the NBA overall.

Here are some good articles on the NHL lockout and you can see the parallels:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NHL_lockout

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2105489

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=labor-110629

[NJHooper95Participant]

It will prevent teams from loading up with superstars and save other teams from losing their best players. There are only about 6 r 7 cities that players want to play in and I think its crap. Some teams cant even draft the player they want because they have been told the player doesnt want to play there.
 

I rememeber playing ball from sun up to sun down dreaming about a chance to play in the league. I would have played for any team the drafted me. Now our athletes are spoiled and arrogant enough that they dictate which team they want to go to. To play professionally is a blessing and should not be taken for granted.

Many teams are in the basement and been there for a while because no one wants to play there. A hard cap will limit player movements. If i a millionaire I dont care where im playing indoor, outdoor, whatever.

Maybe its a good idea for a hard cap.

 

[NJHooper95Participant]

It will prevent teams from loading up with superstars and save other teams from losing their best players. There are only about 6 r 7 cities that players want to play in and I think its crap. Some teams cant even draft the player they want because they have been told the player doesnt want to play there.
 

I rememeber playing ball from sun up to sun down dreaming about a chance to play in the league. I would have played for any team the drafted me. Now our athletes are spoiled and arrogant enough that they dictate which team they want to go to. To play professionally is a blessing and should not be taken for granted.

Many teams are in the basement and been there for a while because no one wants to play there. A hard cap will limit player movements. If i a millionaire I dont care where im playing indoor, outdoor, whatever.

Maybe its a good idea for a hard cap.

 

[andxxxParticipant]

 I’m not sure about the players playing in only certain cities part this has been fairly recent and all players are different.  Its not like small market teams had no chance to keep their star players.  Players like Lebron, Melo, and Stoudemire played half of their careers in small markets.  Players like Bosh and Lebron wanted to play on a team that they felt could win even with less money.  I don’t know if a hard cap will necessarily stop star players from playing where they want to play.  Thats why they’re stars

[andxxxParticipant]

 I’m not sure about the players playing in only certain cities part this has been fairly recent and all players are different.  Its not like small market teams had no chance to keep their star players.  Players like Lebron, Melo, and Stoudemire played half of their careers in small markets.  Players like Bosh and Lebron wanted to play on a team that they felt could win even with less money.  I don’t know if a hard cap will necessarily stop star players from playing where they want to play.  Thats why they’re stars

[ghrghrParticipant]

IMO, a hard cap would be good for the league. Nowadays, teams like the lakers can go tens of millions over the cap with bird rights and exceptions. A hard cap wouldn’t necessarily reduce player earnings, as to me it would give a reason for small market teams to spend all their cap(No huge salary powerhouses). A minimum team salary would be OK too, and the gap between the minimum and the cap shouldn’t be very big, to level the league.

The players don’t want a hard cap, but if they can keep the cap as it is now or even lose just a little and put a pretty high minimum team salary in the CBA they will still be able to make their money.

[ghrghrParticipant]

IMO, a hard cap would be good for the league. Nowadays, teams like the lakers can go tens of millions over the cap with bird rights and exceptions. A hard cap wouldn’t necessarily reduce player earnings, as to me it would give a reason for small market teams to spend all their cap(No huge salary powerhouses). A minimum team salary would be OK too, and the gap between the minimum and the cap shouldn’t be very big, to level the league.

The players don’t want a hard cap, but if they can keep the cap as it is now or even lose just a little and put a pretty high minimum team salary in the CBA they will still be able to make their money.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The league doesn’t really want a hard cap. The Knicks, Lakers, Heat, and Bulls don’t want it. The Brooklyn Knights in a brand-spanking new arena don’t want a hard cap. They also don’t want to be subsidizing the Timberwolves, Bucks, and Pacers. What the league wants is for the player’s share of revenues to drop. If they can get the share to drop from 57 to between 48-50 percent, then Stern can get the big markets to go along for a greater revenue sharing agreement (basically because it would be money that would otherwise be going to the players). The NBA will probably announce its revenue figures for 2010-11 next week, and my guess it it will be in the $3.7-$3.8 billion ballpark. If that is the case, then a drop from 57 to 50 would represent a $250+ million giveback on the players end. The league could then set aside $100-150 million from league revenues for a revenue sharing fund for the bottom 10 clubs. That won’t be enough to save the Hornets in New Orleans, but an extra $10-15 million in revenue should help the rest. How long it takes for the union to agree to that is anyone’s guess. Once they get to that point, everything else will fall into place.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The league doesn’t really want a hard cap. The Knicks, Lakers, Heat, and Bulls don’t want it. The Brooklyn Knights in a brand-spanking new arena don’t want a hard cap. They also don’t want to be subsidizing the Timberwolves, Bucks, and Pacers. What the league wants is for the player’s share of revenues to drop. If they can get the share to drop from 57 to between 48-50 percent, then Stern can get the big markets to go along for a greater revenue sharing agreement (basically because it would be money that would otherwise be going to the players). The NBA will probably announce its revenue figures for 2010-11 next week, and my guess it it will be in the $3.7-$3.8 billion ballpark. If that is the case, then a drop from 57 to 50 would represent a $250+ million giveback on the players end. The league could then set aside $100-150 million from league revenues for a revenue sharing fund for the bottom 10 clubs. That won’t be enough to save the Hornets in New Orleans, but an extra $10-15 million in revenue should help the rest. How long it takes for the union to agree to that is anyone’s guess. Once they get to that point, everything else will fall into place.

[andxxxParticipant]

^^^^ I’ve heard that too.  If the players are willing to cut down on their share of the revenue owners will likely back off of their hard cap proposal.  It looks like the players will lose money either way 

[andxxxParticipant]

^^^^ I’ve heard that too.  If the players are willing to cut down on their share of the revenue owners will likely back off of their hard cap proposal.  It looks like the players will lose money either way 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

I think the NBA players are generally in a better bargaining spot than the NFL players who are just getting rolled over in those negotiations. Those players have basically agreed to everything the owners demanded, and most of what they wanted. Basketball is actually played outside the US, which helps their cause. It is definitely a bargaining chip that if the league closes up shop that the owners will make no money, but the players can go abroad and make some money (not NBA money but still). I do believe, though, that the union will probably drop its offer from 54 percent (its last offer before the lockout) to closer to 50 at some point, and that is where David Stern starts knocking owners heads together to get their house in order so that he can save the season.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

I think the NBA players are generally in a better bargaining spot than the NFL players who are just getting rolled over in those negotiations. Those players have basically agreed to everything the owners demanded, and most of what they wanted. Basketball is actually played outside the US, which helps their cause. It is definitely a bargaining chip that if the league closes up shop that the owners will make no money, but the players can go abroad and make some money (not NBA money but still). I do believe, though, that the union will probably drop its offer from 54 percent (its last offer before the lockout) to closer to 50 at some point, and that is where David Stern starts knocking owners heads together to get their house in order so that he can save the season.

[NJHooper95Participant]

Yes Amare, Lebron, Melo all played for small markets, the teams they were drafted by and when they saw an opportunity to leave the all did for a bigger market and more attractive city. Im not against stars leaving, but how many star free agents are going to go to Toronto, Cleveland, Milwaukee or Sac. In the end the smaller franchise struggle, that is why the league is discussing revenue sharing, salary cuts. Im sure Chi, NY, Bos are not losing money but other teams are. Mabe a hardcap would make it more attractive for a star free agent to stay put, especially in a small market.

[NJHooper95Participant]

Yes Amare, Lebron, Melo all played for small markets, the teams they were drafted by and when they saw an opportunity to leave the all did for a bigger market and more attractive city. Im not against stars leaving, but how many star free agents are going to go to Toronto, Cleveland, Milwaukee or Sac. In the end the smaller franchise struggle, that is why the league is discussing revenue sharing, salary cuts. Im sure Chi, NY, Bos are not losing money but other teams are. Mabe a hardcap would make it more attractive for a star free agent to stay put, especially in a small market.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Am not in favor of it. I think that the NBA does a pretty decent job of keeping things competitive, and that there will always be locations more glamorous than others. With the current cap structure, everyone still has a chance to be successful. It is about management and picking the right players for your team. If a hard cap was instituted, it may create more parity, but that is no guarantee players will not want to go to contending teams, or better situations as far as management or market. The odds are, if your team is not winning, it has nothing to do with the cap situation. The NBA is a league where a few teams tend to compete every year, and to be honest, EVERY league is similar. "Super teams" are made by teams smart enough to make them. If Cleveland or Toronto had the foresight to do what Miami did, than maybe they would have acquired a super team. Pat Riley did have that vision, and he completed it. Believe me, if their was a hard cap, there would still be Pat Riley’s, there would still be the Lakers and the Celtics, the only thing different is that the players would be making less money. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Am not in favor of it. I think that the NBA does a pretty decent job of keeping things competitive, and that there will always be locations more glamorous than others. With the current cap structure, everyone still has a chance to be successful. It is about management and picking the right players for your team. If a hard cap was instituted, it may create more parity, but that is no guarantee players will not want to go to contending teams, or better situations as far as management or market. The odds are, if your team is not winning, it has nothing to do with the cap situation. The NBA is a league where a few teams tend to compete every year, and to be honest, EVERY league is similar. "Super teams" are made by teams smart enough to make them. If Cleveland or Toronto had the foresight to do what Miami did, than maybe they would have acquired a super team. Pat Riley did have that vision, and he completed it. Believe me, if their was a hard cap, there would still be Pat Riley’s, there would still be the Lakers and the Celtics, the only thing different is that the players would be making less money. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

With reguards to Amare I wouldn’t consider Phoenix a small market, it’s the fifth larges city in the country.  He wanted more guarenteed money and the Suns had incentives built into his contract and he had to play a certain amount of games to make that money since he was borderline injury prone.  I also wouldn’t consider Phoenix a large market, I put Phoenix, Portland, Miami, Denver, Dallas and Houston mid-market teams. Not big and not small. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

With reguards to Amare I wouldn’t consider Phoenix a small market, it’s the fifth larges city in the country.  He wanted more guarenteed money and the Suns had incentives built into his contract and he had to play a certain amount of games to make that money since he was borderline injury prone.  I also wouldn’t consider Phoenix a large market, I put Phoenix, Portland, Miami, Denver, Dallas and Houston mid-market teams. Not big and not small. 

[andxxxParticipant]

 NHL players were able to play overseas as well what makes the NBA’s situation any different from the NBA’s

[andxxxParticipant]

 NHL players were able to play overseas as well what makes the NBA’s situation any different from the NBA’s

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