[valentine]

 Let me get straight to the point…

I want the 76ers to fail miserably for as long as it takes to teach them, and everyone else a lesson. Shame on them for making a mockery of professional basketball. 

Embiid and Saric are great prospects who I hope thrive, but it’s Karma that they’re killing the 76ers plan. 

I hope MCW develops a silky smooth jumpshot and becomes an All-Star. 

I know they’ll get a high draft pick, but I’d be devestated if my favourite prospect (Ben Simmons) had to go there. I know he’d be even more disappointed than Okafor because he’s a winner through-and-through (3xNational HS Champ). They don’t deserve a franchise-saving player, because good things should only come to those that deserve it. 

I hope other rebuilding teams leap-frog ahead of them. Jazz, Bucks, Suns, Twolves etc. I hope they all make the playoffs before the 76ers do.

I hope their talented young players do a Greg Monroe, take the Qualifying Offer, and then leave for nothing in Free Agency. 

I hope that the culture in Philly becomes so toxic, that Free Agents never want to go there. 

Shame on Philly. Shame, Shame, Shame. 

You did this to yourself. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trelos6Participant]

Let’s look at this Philly rebuild with hindsight.

In 2012, they were a mediocre playoff team in the East.  They drafted Harkless with the 15th pick.  Better options would have been Khris Middleton, Draymond Green, or Jae Crowder.  However, all these guys were overachievers, so I’ll call this year a wash.  Anyways, their REAL rebuild began in 2013.

Philly traded Holiday for the 6th pick Noel, and drafted MCW.  Best case scenario, they draft Giannis Antetokounmpo as they are "rebuilding" and can risk a guy who is 2 years away.  They can also go for Gobert, but I’ll give them Noel again, as he was touted highly and is the right pick at #6.

In 2014, Philly had to take Embiid.  It was considered a 3 player draft, and picking at #3, Embiid fell to them.  At 12, they could’ve gone for LaVine, but let’s face it, he played off the bench and showwed flashes of potential.  Knowing it was a rebuild, a draft and stash to secure another high pick is an ok idea.  Especially as Saric looks to be polished.

2015, Philly again are #3 pick.  Okafor, previously considered a #1 pick, falls to them at 3.  You gotta take him.  So their team is ???, Giannis, ????, Noel, Okafor.  Embiid.

Considering that team looks VERY similar to their current team, besides Giannis/MCW pick, I don’t think you can blame Hinkie.

With a bit of luck, Philly could’ve easily looked like: LaVine, Giannis, Wiggins, Noel, Towns.  Now that would be a scary defensive team!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I wondered why the media was suddenly going out of there way to bash the Sixers who were all but invisible since Iverson’s exit… I mean they are NOT even in the top 5 worst winning % over the Last 5 years but if you listen ESPN they have been tanking for 20 years – Like the Atlanta Hawks & the Milwaukee Bucks… The Utah Jazz who Everyone seems to in Love w/ for a so called quick rebuild let Al Jefferson & Paul Milsap walk for NOTHING 3 years ago & I did NOT see a SINGLE story about it nationally – furthermore, their 2 Main pieces Haywood & Favors were Drafted in 2010 & 2009!!! Doug Collins utterly Destroyed the Phila Franchise… First he drafts Evan Turner over Boogie Cousins or Favors, then he trades that 2012 1st round pick, a 2017 1st round pick, andre Igudola & Nic Vucevik for Andrew Bynum – in other words he cut out the guts of the franchise for NOTHING & he tops it off by trading their 2015 1st round pick to Boston for NBA Legend Arnotte Moultry… So let’s sum it up… Phila finished the 2013 Season w/ 34 wins, the # 11 pick in the Draft & Doug Collins on the verge of a Nervous Breakdown…. So he Absolutely Screws them again by quitting One month before the Draft…. So Hinkie takes over a team that just gave away 2 out of the next 4 years 1st round picks, the teams Two Best players & they are left w/ Three 6’5” average at best players in Thad Young, Jrue Holiday & Evan Turner locked into LONG term deals so Why all the HATE??? I’m lost… the National Media NEVER tells That part of the story… Why is that??? When you take an impartial look at what they have already accomplished in JUST 26 months it’s quite amazing…. Noel put up Identical Rookie #’s to Anthony Davis, Embiid is a once in 10 years Franchise Center & Okafor is an Absolute Stud – who draws at least a Double team on Every possession… Saric looks Very good & Staukus – a 5th Lotteyr pick they just took from the Kings for Nothing will fit nicely w/ Rim Protectors… And in that short time he refilled there Draft coffers – they have FOUR 1st round picks in 2016 & TWO each in 2017, 18 & 19… When you consider that they picked # 11 in 2013 & ended up w/ CLEARLY the Top player in that Draft in Noel & when you consider that Many scouts had Okafor as THE best player in that 2015 Draft and they did NOT have a pick in the First Round in the 2015 Draft when Hinkie took over it is astonishing… For the Sheep that keeps swallowing those made up story lines keep hating but I think they are being attacked b/c the Whole NBA is Terrified of them… 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I wondered why the media was suddenly going out of there way to bash the Sixers who were all but invisible since Iverson’s exit… I mean they are NOT even in the top 5 worst winning % over the Last 5 years but if you listen ESPN they have been tanking for 20 years – Like the Atlanta Hawks & the Milwaukee Bucks… The Utah Jazz who Everyone seems to in Love w/ for a so called quick rebuild let Al Jefferson & Paul Milsap walk for NOTHING 3 years ago & I did NOT see a SINGLE story about it nationally – furthermore, their 2 Main pieces Haywood & Favors were Drafted in 2010 & 2009!!! Doug Collins utterly Destroyed the Phila Franchise… First he drafts Evan Turner over Boogie Cousins or Favors, then he trades that 2012 1st round pick, a 2017 1st round pick, andre Igudola & Nic Vucevik for Andrew Bynum – in other words he cut out the guts of the franchise for NOTHING & he tops it off by trading their 2015 1st round pick to Boston for NBA Legend Arnotte Moultry… So let’s sum it up… Phila finished the 2013 Season w/ 34 wins, the # 11 pick in the Draft & Doug Collins on the verge of a Nervous Breakdown…. So he Absolutely Screws them again by quitting One month before the Draft…. So Hinkie takes over a team that just gave away 2 out of the next 4 years 1st round picks, the teams Two Best players & they are left w/ Three 6’5” average at best players in Thad Young, Jrue Holiday & Evan Turner locked into LONG term deals so Why all the HATE??? I’m lost… the National Media NEVER tells That part of the story… Why is that??? When you take an impartial look at what they have already accomplished in JUST 26 months it’s quite amazing…. Noel put up Identical Rookie #’s to Anthony Davis, Embiid is a once in 10 years Franchise Center & Okafor is an Absolute Stud – who draws at least a Double team on Every possession… Saric looks Very good & Staukus – a 5th Lotteyr pick they just took from the Kings for Nothing will fit nicely w/ Rim Protectors… And in that short time he refilled there Draft coffers – they have FOUR 1st round picks in 2016 & TWO each in 2017, 18 & 19… When you consider that they picked # 11 in 2013 & ended up w/ CLEARLY the Top player in that Draft in Noel & when you consider that Many scouts had Okafor as THE best player in that 2015 Draft and they did NOT have a pick in the First Round in the 2015 Draft when Hinkie took over it is astonishing… For the Sheep that keeps swallowing those made up story lines keep hating but I think they are being attacked b/c the Whole NBA is Terrified of them… 

[trelos6Participant]

Let’s look at this Philly rebuild with hindsight.

In 2012, they were a mediocre playoff team in the East.  They drafted Harkless with the 15th pick.  Better options would have been Khris Middleton, Draymond Green, or Jae Crowder.  However, all these guys were overachievers, so I’ll call this year a wash.  Anyways, their REAL rebuild began in 2013.

Philly traded Holiday for the 6th pick Noel, and drafted MCW.  Best case scenario, they draft Giannis Antetokounmpo as they are "rebuilding" and can risk a guy who is 2 years away.  They can also go for Gobert, but I’ll give them Noel again, as he was touted highly and is the right pick at #6.

In 2014, Philly had to take Embiid.  It was considered a 3 player draft, and picking at #3, Embiid fell to them.  At 12, they could’ve gone for LaVine, but let’s face it, he played off the bench and showwed flashes of potential.  Knowing it was a rebuild, a draft and stash to secure another high pick is an ok idea.  Especially as Saric looks to be polished.

2015, Philly again are #3 pick.  Okafor, previously considered a #1 pick, falls to them at 3.  You gotta take him.  So their team is ???, Giannis, ????, Noel, Okafor.  Embiid.

Considering that team looks VERY similar to their current team, besides Giannis/MCW pick, I don’t think you can blame Hinkie.

With a bit of luck, Philly could’ve easily looked like: LaVine, Giannis, Wiggins, Noel, Towns.  Now that would be a scary defensive team!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

I don’t about you guys but this guy has thoroughly convinced me that the Sixers deserve this. I’ve changed completely now.

FIRE HINKIE!

TRADE FOR DERRICK ROSE’S ACL

WAIVE NOEL

SIGN CHARLES BARKLEY

MAKE WILL SMITH OUR GM 

CHANGE OUR NAME TO THE PHILLY RIP255 cuz THAT GUY IS A WINNER

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Give me a f*cking break man! You hate a team, fine. I have reasons for hating certain teams too but I would never post this bias crap that has absolutely no logic behind. If we fail, we fail. But if you think this is a joke, you absolutely have not seen the effort this team gives. While it can be frustrating to watch at times, these last two years have been unique and exciting. Brett Brown is a top 10 coach considering the talent he’s given and what he’s able to get out of the talent he’s had. I’d resign him now to an extension in all seriousness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

I love your passion man

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 I’m sorry. I hadn’t had my Starbucks at the moment and may have overreacted like a MikeyV run-on sentence (which RARELY happens)

But yeah, living here and having to deal with Philly people who think like you gives me headaches lol. I understand that it is a risky move by any team but this is honestly been an exciting time for the few Sixer fans who enjoyed this process so far. 2 years into and Hinkie has made moves for the long-term. I’m hoping this pans out and we’re competing not just for the playoffs but for a championship 4-5 years down the line. 

 

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 I’m sorry. I hadn’t had my Starbucks at the moment and may have overreacted like a MikeyV run-on sentence (which RARELY happens)

But yeah, living here and having to deal with Philly people who think like you gives me headaches lol. I understand that it is a risky move by any team but this is honestly been an exciting time for the few Sixer fans who enjoyed this process so far. 2 years into and Hinkie has made moves for the long-term. I’m hoping this pans out and we’re competing not just for the playoffs but for a championship 4-5 years down the line. 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

I love your passion man

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

I don’t about you guys but this guy has thoroughly convinced me that the Sixers deserve this. I’ve changed completely now.

FIRE HINKIE!

TRADE FOR DERRICK ROSE’S ACL

WAIVE NOEL

SIGN CHARLES BARKLEY

MAKE WILL SMITH OUR GM 

CHANGE OUR NAME TO THE PHILLY RIP255 cuz THAT GUY IS A WINNER

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Give me a f*cking break man! You hate a team, fine. I have reasons for hating certain teams too but I would never post this bias crap that has absolutely no logic behind. If we fail, we fail. But if you think this is a joke, you absolutely have not seen the effort this team gives. While it can be frustrating to watch at times, these last two years have been unique and exciting. Brett Brown is a top 10 coach considering the talent he’s given and what he’s able to get out of the talent he’s had. I’d resign him now to an extension in all seriousness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

Is Howard Eskin posting as Rip255 now?

Haters gonna hate. Sixers gonna dominate in a few seasons. As a Sixers fan I am completely willing to spend these few seasons losing, knowing their building a real foundation for years to come. Too many GM’s think short term, while Hinkie has the wisdom to think big picture. Wouldn’t be surprised if in a decade or so they make a ‘Moneyball’ sort of movie about him. Don’t bet against them Rip255. Last time you did, you lost a bet to me promising you’d shave your head and wear a pink tutu…

[Rip255]

Lol, can’t argue with you there.

I like to hype things up for entertainment purposes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

Lol, can’t argue with you there.

I like to hype things up for entertainment purposes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[timinator1Participant]

 to dominate, but what if they don’t? Let’s suppose Hinkie never settles on a point guard he likes, Embiid remains Greg Oden, and Noel never finds a jump shot (all of which are real possibilities). What if Stauskas isn’t the next Korver? This is a lot of optimism to pin onto intentionally losing and hoping the system fixes you. And all of this isn’t even considering that the league could change the lottery at any point, leaving Hinkie with a lot of picks in the wrong parts of the draft. I think this whole Process sucks.

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

To quote Draymond Green- “If ‘if’ was a fifth, we all would be drunk right now.”

Nothing is ever for certain, but the beauty of what Hinkie is doing is that he’s setting it up so that the odds are IN the Sixers’ favor. He isn’t shooting for the fences with one prospect. He’s accumulating many.

[timinator1Participant]

he might not be a good judge of talent. 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

Really? He isn’t a good judge of talent?
Let’s look at his track record:

2013 – 11th pic; Rookie of the year (granted on inflated stats, but still impressive).
2014 – 3rd; the best prospect since Anthony Davis if healthy. 32; KJ McDaniels. Was on fire when he got minutes. Had the highest blocking rate for a guard EVER. 39th; Jerami Grant. Has been really good for them. Long, athletic, with improved 3pt shot.
2015 – 3rd; Jahlil Okafor. The #1 prospect yet once again. With all his deficiencies, he still has one of the best post games in recent history. Front runner for rookie of the year.

And that doesn’t include all the trades for talent that Hinkie has made: Saric, Stauskas, Covington…

Yeah, not much of a judge of talent…

[timinator1Participant]

…didn’t like enough to keep in MCW and McDaniel. Right now his talent evaluation reputation hangs on three bigs, one of which won’t play this year and the other two who might not be able to play together. I think this "process" could work out for Hinkie, but I think there’s a much higher chance Hinkie is fired before this ever comes together. 

[timinator1Participant]

…didn’t like enough to keep in MCW and McDaniel. Right now his talent evaluation reputation hangs on three bigs, one of which won’t play this year and the other two who might not be able to play together. I think this "process" could work out for Hinkie, but I think there’s a much higher chance Hinkie is fired before this ever comes together. 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

 ultimately he turned both MCW (11th pick in a weak draft) & KJ (second rounder with a problematic contract) into even better assets. Showing once again his loyalty to the process, which is the bigger picture . 

As for him for him being fired before it comes together – you’re not taking into account that the owner Josh Harris is a very smart and patient guy who comes from the finance world and is known for his risk /reward philosophy. 

[timinator1Participant]

and people dump losing positions all the time. $ is the name of the game, and if Hinkie can’t pull this through quickly, Philly Phans are not going to take it well (if they even are so far). And $$ always trump people. 

[timinator1Participant]

and people dump losing positions all the time. $ is the name of the game, and if Hinkie can’t pull this through quickly, Philly Phans are not going to take it well (if they even are so far). And $$ always trump people. 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

Even though Sixers were last in attendance the past couple of years, they still have been profitable (probably thanks to their low salary cap) according to what the league says.

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

Even though Sixers were last in attendance the past couple of years, they still have been profitable (probably thanks to their low salary cap) according to what the league says.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 or if fans get upset or don’t get upset… In the NBA there is only ONE thing that matters: can you get into the Top half of the Draft Lottery b/c that is the ONLY place to get a player that will compete for MVP’s & win Rings – All the Top stars right now were drafted in the Top 8 in 07, 08 & 09…. All the Top Stars in 07, 08 & 09 were Drafted in 01, 02 & 03… Where do you think the Top Stars in 2019, 2020 & 2021 will have come from when we get there??? If you go back to the NBA’s start in 1947 & include the ABA if you want, ONLY future Hall of Fame / MVP level players have EVER led a team to a Ring and they ALL come from the Top 8 of the Draft & most from the Top 5 (Look It Up) – Kobe is the ONLY exception in 68 years & we ALL know under normal circumstances he gets drafted in the Top 5 too…  Max Free Agents leaving teams in their prime were VERY rare (Shaq, Lebron) & w/ the new cap I doubt it will EVER happen again…. Aldridge was 30 before anyone posts his name… That is ALL Hinkie is doing is trying to get his team as many cracks at the prize in the top 5 as he can & even w/ that it takes luck,,, But for Anyone who thinks this guy is reinventing the wheel you are not well researched in how the NBA works… The Lakers acquired Magic Johnson & James Worthy by trading NBA players (assets) to teams panicing to JUST make the playoffs & sell some tickets… Boston Drafted Alrry Bird #6 b/c teams shied away from a guy they would Not see for TWO years – the Celtics were Rewarded for Patience… Any of this sound familiar… trust me if L.A. or N.Y. were doing what Hinkie’s doing right now ESPN would perform felatio EVERY day on sports center….

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 or if fans get upset or don’t get upset… In the NBA there is only ONE thing that matters: can you get into the Top half of the Draft Lottery b/c that is the ONLY place to get a player that will compete for MVP’s & win Rings – All the Top stars right now were drafted in the Top 8 in 07, 08 & 09…. All the Top Stars in 07, 08 & 09 were Drafted in 01, 02 & 03… Where do you think the Top Stars in 2019, 2020 & 2021 will have come from when we get there??? If you go back to the NBA’s start in 1947 & include the ABA if you want, ONLY future Hall of Fame / MVP level players have EVER led a team to a Ring and they ALL come from the Top 8 of the Draft & most from the Top 5 (Look It Up) – Kobe is the ONLY exception in 68 years & we ALL know under normal circumstances he gets drafted in the Top 5 too…  Max Free Agents leaving teams in their prime were VERY rare (Shaq, Lebron) & w/ the new cap I doubt it will EVER happen again…. Aldridge was 30 before anyone posts his name… That is ALL Hinkie is doing is trying to get his team as many cracks at the prize in the top 5 as he can & even w/ that it takes luck,,, But for Anyone who thinks this guy is reinventing the wheel you are not well researched in how the NBA works… The Lakers acquired Magic Johnson & James Worthy by trading NBA players (assets) to teams panicing to JUST make the playoffs & sell some tickets… Boston Drafted Alrry Bird #6 b/c teams shied away from a guy they would Not see for TWO years – the Celtics were Rewarded for Patience… Any of this sound familiar… trust me if L.A. or N.Y. were doing what Hinkie’s doing right now ESPN would perform felatio EVERY day on sports center….

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

 ultimately he turned both MCW (11th pick in a weak draft) & KJ (second rounder with a problematic contract) into even better assets. Showing once again his loyalty to the process, which is the bigger picture . 

As for him for him being fired before it comes together – you’re not taking into account that the owner Josh Harris is a very smart and patient guy who comes from the finance world and is known for his risk /reward philosophy. 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

Really? He isn’t a good judge of talent?
Let’s look at his track record:

2013 – 11th pic; Rookie of the year (granted on inflated stats, but still impressive).
2014 – 3rd; the best prospect since Anthony Davis if healthy. 32; KJ McDaniels. Was on fire when he got minutes. Had the highest blocking rate for a guard EVER. 39th; Jerami Grant. Has been really good for them. Long, athletic, with improved 3pt shot.
2015 – 3rd; Jahlil Okafor. The #1 prospect yet once again. With all his deficiencies, he still has one of the best post games in recent history. Front runner for rookie of the year.

And that doesn’t include all the trades for talent that Hinkie has made: Saric, Stauskas, Covington…

Yeah, not much of a judge of talent…

[timinator1Participant]

he might not be a good judge of talent. 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

To quote Draymond Green- “If ‘if’ was a fifth, we all would be drunk right now.”

Nothing is ever for certain, but the beauty of what Hinkie is doing is that he’s setting it up so that the odds are IN the Sixers’ favor. He isn’t shooting for the fences with one prospect. He’s accumulating many.

[timinator1Participant]

 to dominate, but what if they don’t? Let’s suppose Hinkie never settles on a point guard he likes, Embiid remains Greg Oden, and Noel never finds a jump shot (all of which are real possibilities). What if Stauskas isn’t the next Korver? This is a lot of optimism to pin onto intentionally losing and hoping the system fixes you. And all of this isn’t even considering that the league could change the lottery at any point, leaving Hinkie with a lot of picks in the wrong parts of the draft. I think this whole Process sucks.

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

Is Howard Eskin posting as Rip255 now?

Haters gonna hate. Sixers gonna dominate in a few seasons. As a Sixers fan I am completely willing to spend these few seasons losing, knowing their building a real foundation for years to come. Too many GM’s think short term, while Hinkie has the wisdom to think big picture. Wouldn’t be surprised if in a decade or so they make a ‘Moneyball’ sort of movie about him. Don’t bet against them Rip255. Last time you did, you lost a bet to me promising you’d shave your head and wear a pink tutu…

[Bed HeadParticipant]

Is that now when you inevitably create a thread called "The 6 Worst Trolls On NBADRAFT.NET", you can actually include yourself! Right alongside Euro and that dude whose name is a number. Plus any 3 of arambone’s, like, 10,000 aliases.

[Rip255]

Im not sure I’m actually a Troll. These are my opinions and I’m stating them on the relevent forum. I just like to write them in a way that evokes strong responses. My youtube vids are coming soon. I hope you’ll all watch. 

I also have a pretty good points-to-post ratio. I figure 50% of people agree with me and 50% dont. 

Isn’t a troll someone who writes irrellevent garbage just to sabotage a forum? 

 

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[Rip255]

Im not sure I’m actually a Troll. These are my opinions and I’m stating them on the relevent forum. I just like to write them in a way that evokes strong responses. My youtube vids are coming soon. I hope you’ll all watch. 

I also have a pretty good points-to-post ratio. I figure 50% of people agree with me and 50% dont. 

Isn’t a troll someone who writes irrellevent garbage just to sabotage a forum? 

 

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[Bed HeadParticipant]

Thought you said you didn’t take this sorta stuff personally?

Besides, I don’t think Euro or T Rex "write irrelevant garbage just to sabotage the forum" either. Not really sure what their goal is, actually.

BTW, on what are you basing that 50% number?

[Bed HeadParticipant]

Thought you said you didn’t take this sorta stuff personally?

Besides, I don’t think Euro or T Rex "write irrelevant garbage just to sabotage the forum" either. Not really sure what their goal is, actually.

BTW, on what are you basing that 50% number?

[Rip255]

 Naah no stress, I didn’t. Anyhow that 50% number was just a guess based on the numerous replies I get. I try not to get too technical with these things.

So any figures like that need to be based on a Standard Deviation of 3, at a 95% Confidence Interval.

Otherwise, I’m more of a student of Qualitative data collection methods (i.e. just saying what I think). 

  

[Rip255]

 Naah no stress, I didn’t. Anyhow that 50% number was just a guess based on the numerous replies I get. I try not to get too technical with these things.

So any figures like that need to be based on a Standard Deviation of 3, at a 95% Confidence Interval.

Otherwise, I’m more of a student of Qualitative data collection methods (i.e. just saying what I think). 

  

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

You’re not a troll and I’m not a hater but you can be a bit obnoxious sometimes. 

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

You’re not a troll and I’m not a hater but you can be a bit obnoxious sometimes. 

[Bed HeadParticipant]

Is that now when you inevitably create a thread called "The 6 Worst Trolls On NBADRAFT.NET", you can actually include yourself! Right alongside Euro and that dude whose name is a number. Plus any 3 of arambone’s, like, 10,000 aliases.

[BallGawd01Participant]

While it may not be popular, what Hinkie is doing is extremely smart and daring. You know whats the worse thing you can be as a franchise? A perrenial 7-seed that is warm-up for Lebron and the cavs in the first round. Being mediocre is a death sentence, look at the Nets, they have no future, but they’re still good enough to make it to the playoffs in the east (We’ll see after Dwill trade). So that gets you no lottery pick and first round exit. No thanks. This year the Sixers got the player who for most of the season was considered the #1 prospect (Okafor), before he was hurt Embiid was considered the #1 prospect in his class. The ONLY way to build a championship contender is through the draft. I believe what the Lakers and Knicks are attempting to do by building they’re team is more risky than what the sixers are doing. Look at the Mavs, relied so heavily on tryning to get FA’s and they got burned, now they have no draft picks and no path to the future. Lets say the sixers win the lottery, they’re most likely gonna draft Simmons. Thats Noel, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, and Simmons in consecutive drafts. Even if they don’t plan on keeping all of them, thats an asset that tons of teams around the league would pay a ransom for. Give it time, I think the Sixers are headed in the right direction, and with a little ping-pong luck they should be on their way up. 

 

[BallGawd01Participant]

While it may not be popular, what Hinkie is doing is extremely smart and daring. You know whats the worse thing you can be as a franchise? A perrenial 7-seed that is warm-up for Lebron and the cavs in the first round. Being mediocre is a death sentence, look at the Nets, they have no future, but they’re still good enough to make it to the playoffs in the east (We’ll see after Dwill trade). So that gets you no lottery pick and first round exit. No thanks. This year the Sixers got the player who for most of the season was considered the #1 prospect (Okafor), before he was hurt Embiid was considered the #1 prospect in his class. The ONLY way to build a championship contender is through the draft. I believe what the Lakers and Knicks are attempting to do by building they’re team is more risky than what the sixers are doing. Look at the Mavs, relied so heavily on tryning to get FA’s and they got burned, now they have no draft picks and no path to the future. Lets say the sixers win the lottery, they’re most likely gonna draft Simmons. Thats Noel, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, and Simmons in consecutive drafts. Even if they don’t plan on keeping all of them, thats an asset that tons of teams around the league would pay a ransom for. Give it time, I think the Sixers are headed in the right direction, and with a little ping-pong luck they should be on their way up. 

 

[delco610Participant]

 For all the people who aren’t in favor of the Sixer’s plan, I have yet to hear a more viable way of building the team into a contender. Granted there is no gurarantee at the end of the day that this plan wont fail but at least for once in a very long time the team has a direction. Now it’s imperative that some of those high lottery picks pan out and hopefully a couple of them will become superstars. The Embiid situation is definitely a setback but having Okafor will help to offset his loss this season. With potentially having four 1st rd picks and possibly two in the lottery the team could really take a huge step forward. If the team could somehow win the lottery and draft Ben Simmons then grab a Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn to play PG that would really give the team a REALLY good core of players along with Okafor, Noel, Stauskas and Saric who will hopefully come over after next season.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 If if if… When when when…

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 If if if… When when when…

[delco610Participant]

 For all the people who aren’t in favor of the Sixer’s plan, I have yet to hear a more viable way of building the team into a contender. Granted there is no gurarantee at the end of the day that this plan wont fail but at least for once in a very long time the team has a direction. Now it’s imperative that some of those high lottery picks pan out and hopefully a couple of them will become superstars. The Embiid situation is definitely a setback but having Okafor will help to offset his loss this season. With potentially having four 1st rd picks and possibly two in the lottery the team could really take a huge step forward. If the team could somehow win the lottery and draft Ben Simmons then grab a Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn to play PG that would really give the team a REALLY good core of players along with Okafor, Noel, Stauskas and Saric who will hopefully come over after next season.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

They haven’t even gotten the top pick yet.  They picked at 6, 3, and 3.

Meanwhile the T Wolves have the last THREE number one picks on their roster.

And, pathetically, the Knicks who were trying to WIN, lost more games last year than the Sixers, a team that was trying to LOSE.

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

They haven’t even gotten the top pick yet.  They picked at 6, 3, and 3.

Meanwhile the T Wolves have the last THREE number one picks on their roster.

And, pathetically, the Knicks who were trying to WIN, lost more games last year than the Sixers, a team that was trying to LOSE.

 

 

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 No because the reports were out about his back and foot. Choose to go with history of bigs of the past or ignore, he chose ignore. Sometime planning for the future is about developing your talent with a winning environment. Philly is not that. By year 3 with no playoffs in site the culture has changed. The players are thinking next deal most of the year. If they play for something, they strive to be better not only as a individual but as a team. Just saying. I like that Oak pick a lot though, I think him and Staus should be the offensive building blocks, and P Jackson should make them compete. Team needs to add some veterans ASAP.  Helps the younger  players actually learn how to win and play team ball.

[Rip255]

 I agree. Like Confuscious famously stated…..sometimes the Smartest draft picks are the ones you don’t make (Embiid).

[Rip255]

 I agree. Like Confuscious famously stated…..sometimes the Smartest draft picks are the ones you don’t make (Embiid).

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 No because the reports were out about his back and foot. Choose to go with history of bigs of the past or ignore, he chose ignore. Sometime planning for the future is about developing your talent with a winning environment. Philly is not that. By year 3 with no playoffs in site the culture has changed. The players are thinking next deal most of the year. If they play for something, they strive to be better not only as a individual but as a team. Just saying. I like that Oak pick a lot though, I think him and Staus should be the offensive building blocks, and P Jackson should make them compete. Team needs to add some veterans ASAP.  Helps the younger  players actually learn how to win and play team ball.

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

Every team wants to be the Thunder. The only problem is that besides the Thunder, no other recent team has really been succesful picking in the early lottery a lot. It’s also easier when you nab a KD BEFORE your first year of rebuilding. Look at Memphis, they picked Rudy Gay, Mayo, Conley, Thabeet (some very good players but no franchise superstar), but became conference contenders on the backs of Marc Gasol, Z-Bo (who no one wanted), Tony Allen, and eventually Conley.

In the past 20 something years, there have only been a couple of players that were franchise players regardless of who picked them (Olajuwon, Jordan, Ewing, Admiral, Shaq, C-Webb, Iverson, Duncan, LeBron, and maybe KD). The rest had to be developed into a star, so that goes back to organizational culture and for Philly it’s questionable right now.

My PROBLEM with Philly is what they’re not doing opposed to what they are. For instance they’ve sat out free agency for 3 straight years. They’ve been in a perfect position to add to their young core and didn’t try. Fans say you don’t want to add more talent to win more games to be mediocre because that’s the worst place to be. That’s not exactly true either. Every team had to be mediocre at some point unless you signed 3 stars in free agency. It’s a difference between being a mediocre young team with cap space, high-prospects, and being an old team with highly paid players, and no picks. The Nets situation is just as much of an outlier as the Thunders. 

It is interesting to see how it will turn out, and the NBA does need to examine the system, so maybe they’ll bring about change. I guess eventually they have to be good, but was it worth 6+ years? I guess that’s up to the fans and ownership. I will say their arrogant and condescending fans on here are a bit annoying though. 

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

Every team wants to be the Thunder. The only problem is that besides the Thunder, no other recent team has really been succesful picking in the early lottery a lot. It’s also easier when you nab a KD BEFORE your first year of rebuilding. Look at Memphis, they picked Rudy Gay, Mayo, Conley, Thabeet (some very good players but no franchise superstar), but became conference contenders on the backs of Marc Gasol, Z-Bo (who no one wanted), Tony Allen, and eventually Conley.

In the past 20 something years, there have only been a couple of players that were franchise players regardless of who picked them (Olajuwon, Jordan, Ewing, Admiral, Shaq, C-Webb, Iverson, Duncan, LeBron, and maybe KD). The rest had to be developed into a star, so that goes back to organizational culture and for Philly it’s questionable right now.

My PROBLEM with Philly is what they’re not doing opposed to what they are. For instance they’ve sat out free agency for 3 straight years. They’ve been in a perfect position to add to their young core and didn’t try. Fans say you don’t want to add more talent to win more games to be mediocre because that’s the worst place to be. That’s not exactly true either. Every team had to be mediocre at some point unless you signed 3 stars in free agency. It’s a difference between being a mediocre young team with cap space, high-prospects, and being an old team with highly paid players, and no picks. The Nets situation is just as much of an outlier as the Thunders. 

It is interesting to see how it will turn out, and the NBA does need to examine the system, so maybe they’ll bring about change. I guess eventually they have to be good, but was it worth 6+ years? I guess that’s up to the fans and ownership. I will say their arrogant and condescending fans on here are a bit annoying though. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 They picked 3 and 3 during the tank.  The six pick was acquired by Hinkie with the Holiday trade.  They went into that draft with the pick they used to select MCW.  That pick was from the previous regime.

[holefillers1Participant]

 They picked 3 and 3 during the tank.  The six pick was acquired by Hinkie with the Holiday trade.  They went into that draft with the pick they used to select MCW.  That pick was from the previous regime.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Interesting point in them not taking Giannis potentially with 11th pick but don’t forget Sam Presti, Donnie Nelson also passed on him after Sam Hinkie did.

I’ve discussed my views on 76ers masterplan before on other posts – basically like the draft picks they have done, Hinkie got picks back which had been traded away. Didn’t like trading MCW or Turner.

One idea I’ll put out there is that T-Wolves were worse than Philly last year with Wiggins as Rookie of the Year, if he had gone to Philly if they had won last year’s draft they would not have done much better last season I feel.

They gambled on drafting the injured Embiid and Noel, one has recovered, one has had a set back. THat in my mind was a risky strategy but I could not see how they could pass on Embiid last year.

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Interesting point in them not taking Giannis potentially with 11th pick but don’t forget Sam Presti, Donnie Nelson also passed on him after Sam Hinkie did.

I’ve discussed my views on 76ers masterplan before on other posts – basically like the draft picks they have done, Hinkie got picks back which had been traded away. Didn’t like trading MCW or Turner.

One idea I’ll put out there is that T-Wolves were worse than Philly last year with Wiggins as Rookie of the Year, if he had gone to Philly if they had won last year’s draft they would not have done much better last season I feel.

They gambled on drafting the injured Embiid and Noel, one has recovered, one has had a set back. THat in my mind was a risky strategy but I could not see how they could pass on Embiid last year.

 

 

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Turner was going to be a free agent and wasn’t going to resign so trading he was the right move. As for MCW, he was horrible just horrible. He shot 38% from the floor and 64% from the line. He was 8th on the team in PERs, 8th! on the 3rd worse team in the NBA. He was a total ball hog that had even his high school friend Noel complaining in the press. It’s not a coincidence the Sixers started winning more ,and the Bucks less,  after the trade.

Sorry, I really respect your opinion but I’m going to have to disagree with you on these two point. Hinike made the right call both time.

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Turner was going to be a free agent and wasn’t going to resign so trading he was the right move. As for MCW, he was horrible just horrible. He shot 38% from the floor and 64% from the line. He was 8th on the team in PERs, 8th! on the 3rd worse team in the NBA. He was a total ball hog that had even his high school friend Noel complaining in the press. It’s not a coincidence the Sixers started winning more ,and the Bucks less,  after the trade.

Sorry, I really respect your opinion but I’m going to have to disagree with you on these two point. Hinike made the right call both time.

[ChoppyParticipant]

In response to some of the OP’s points, I also hope Simmons doesn’t go to Philly, although I’d much prefer him to go to Philly than the Knicks and Lakers (yes, I hate big market teams). At least Philly has Brett Brown, former Australian national team coach. I agree with Trill that Brown is a very good coach, not sure if top 10 but it’d be close.

I also hate losing as a strategy. In some ways I guess I do hope they fail too. But then I think about the rules that allow them to do this, the flawed draft system that rewards deliberately losing. They’re technically not doing anything wrong.

As a mate of mine used to say, "Don’t hate the player, hate the game!"

[ChoppyParticipant]

In response to some of the OP’s points, I also hope Simmons doesn’t go to Philly, although I’d much prefer him to go to Philly than the Knicks and Lakers (yes, I hate big market teams). At least Philly has Brett Brown, former Australian national team coach. I agree with Trill that Brown is a very good coach, not sure if top 10 but it’d be close.

I also hate losing as a strategy. In some ways I guess I do hope they fail too. But then I think about the rules that allow them to do this, the flawed draft system that rewards deliberately losing. They’re technically not doing anything wrong.

As a mate of mine used to say, "Don’t hate the player, hate the game!"

[HitsterParticipant]

 Lots of teams rebuild or spend many years in the lottery look at Atlanta in the mid 2000’s, Seattle/Oklahoma had a load of high picks and traded away Ray Allen but they drafted the core of KD/Westbrook plus to a lesser extent Harden and Green and improved suddenly. The T-Wolves have been a lottery team since the end of the first KG era and have drafted numerous high players.

I think the Philly situation is seen as slightly different as they drafted players who were out for a year or who are still overseas, traded away virtually everyone else and the team is almost a D-League type team apart from the frontcourt drafted trio of Okafor, Noel and Embiid.

Good point about MCW by EndlessKnight, there maybe some doubt if MCW will get much better than what he is. If you look at the Dragic-Knight-MCW trade trail last season. Phoenix could easily have nabbed MCW to replace Dragic but went for Knight instead. MCW is an interesting one as the Bucks must feel he has more to give unless they didn’t want to have to renew Knight on a big new deal with Middleton also up for renewal and other talented guys to renew in due course.

Hinkie has gambled that the Lakers pick via Phoenix turns into a high lottery pick which in his eyes would be a good return for MCW who he drafted 11th.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Lots of teams rebuild or spend many years in the lottery look at Atlanta in the mid 2000’s, Seattle/Oklahoma had a load of high picks and traded away Ray Allen but they drafted the core of KD/Westbrook plus to a lesser extent Harden and Green and improved suddenly. The T-Wolves have been a lottery team since the end of the first KG era and have drafted numerous high players.

I think the Philly situation is seen as slightly different as they drafted players who were out for a year or who are still overseas, traded away virtually everyone else and the team is almost a D-League type team apart from the frontcourt drafted trio of Okafor, Noel and Embiid.

Good point about MCW by EndlessKnight, there maybe some doubt if MCW will get much better than what he is. If you look at the Dragic-Knight-MCW trade trail last season. Phoenix could easily have nabbed MCW to replace Dragic but went for Knight instead. MCW is an interesting one as the Bucks must feel he has more to give unless they didn’t want to have to renew Knight on a big new deal with Middleton also up for renewal and other talented guys to renew in due course.

Hinkie has gambled that the Lakers pick via Phoenix turns into a high lottery pick which in his eyes would be a good return for MCW who he drafted 11th.

 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 I hope they succeed so the nba will make change to the lottery system(i have a good offer how)…

[kobyzParticipant]

 I hope they succeed so the nba will make change to the lottery system(i have a good offer how)…

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I have no problem with your opinion.  You could have stated "I disapprove tanking" and then list your reasons. Maybe you could use "I want the 76ers to fail miserably" as a particular opinion at the end of the post. That would make a lot more sense, but right now it does sound a little trollish.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I have no problem with your opinion.  You could have stated "I disapprove tanking" and then list your reasons. Maybe you could use "I want the 76ers to fail miserably" as a particular opinion at the end of the post. That would make a lot more sense, but right now it does sound a little trollish.

[EndlessknightParticipant]

One of the things that bothers me the most about all the anti-Sixers crap around here is the free pass the Wolves get. According to many on this site the Sixers are an affront to the NBA, the very game of basketball even.  If so then what are the Wolves? They haven’t made the playoffs in over a decade.

And if any team can be accused of tanking it’s the Wolves, they played countless games last year with only 8 men. Often holding guys out for headaches and such, if that’s not tanking I don’t know what is.

Why is it the Wolves get such a free pass? 

 

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

One of the things that bothers me the most about all the anti-Sixers crap around here is the free pass the Wolves get. According to many on this site the Sixers are an affront to the NBA, the very game of basketball even.  If so then what are the Wolves? They haven’t made the playoffs in over a decade.

And if any team can be accused of tanking it’s the Wolves, they played countless games last year with only 8 men. Often holding guys out for headaches and such, if that’s not tanking I don’t know what is.

Why is it the Wolves get such a free pass? 

 

 

 

 

[skingzParticipant]

 because wolves fans are not obnoxious, they have 2 better propects (wiggins,towns), young prospect depth at every position. minnesota also has some good veterans (kmart, kg wont do much but he can play the perkins role) lol

 whereas philly has a rookie (okafor) a future rookie(embiid) and a rookie last year (noel) playing the same position.your future power forward (saric) is not even in america. you have no small forwards and i mean none whatsoever. your sg is a sophomore was drafted too high and traded already, plays no d all he can do is shoot and create a little. wroten i like though can’t hate there…but there is no depth…except at center…this is a guard league..unlike philly fans, most other fans don’t wanna wait 5 years to possibly be good..i was fed up with the kings until this offseason 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 

Obnoxious? 75% of Sixers threads on here are started by non-Sixers fans. This is the OP 3rd or 4th thread ripping the Sixers. That’s obnoxious. I think you’re just mad about Hinkie fleecing the Kings.

And who cares what rookies the Wolves have? The fact still remains that they haven’t made the playoffs in over a decade and blatantly tanked the whole second half this past season but no one ever calls them out for it.

I’m sorry but there is a complete double standard on here when it comes to the Wolves/Sixers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

Now I’m obnoxious? Why does it have to lead to Philly fans attacking individuals. Nonetheless…..

I started a post I thought people could relate to, and judging by the high volume of replies it appears there is significant, and divided interest on the topic. 

I didn’t randomly choose Philly to attack. 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Yes starting multiple threads just to rip a team, threads often devoid of any logic, is obnoxious. And if you go back and look you’ll see that all the threads in question, including this one, have net negative ratings so it seems like others agree with me. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Yes starting multiple threads just to rip a team, threads often devoid of any logic, is obnoxious. And if you go back and look you’ll see that all the threads in question, including this one, have net negative ratings so it seems like others agree with me. 

[Rip255]

Now I’m obnoxious? Why does it have to lead to Philly fans attacking individuals. Nonetheless…..

I started a post I thought people could relate to, and judging by the high volume of replies it appears there is significant, and divided interest on the topic. 

I didn’t randomly choose Philly to attack. 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 

Obnoxious? 75% of Sixers threads on here are started by non-Sixers fans. This is the OP 3rd or 4th thread ripping the Sixers. That’s obnoxious. I think you’re just mad about Hinkie fleecing the Kings.

And who cares what rookies the Wolves have? The fact still remains that they haven’t made the playoffs in over a decade and blatantly tanked the whole second half this past season but no one ever calls them out for it.

I’m sorry but there is a complete double standard on here when it comes to the Wolves/Sixers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[timinator1Participant]

there’s a difference between being inept (drafing Flynn and Rubio, drafting Wesley Johnson, etc, getting lousy head coaches and GMs) and intentionally putting bad product on the floor, screwing with playoff seedings and player contracts and all the other progressive effects the Process causes. 

[timinator1Participant]

there’s a difference between being inept (drafing Flynn and Rubio, drafting Wesley Johnson, etc, getting lousy head coaches and GMs) and intentionally putting bad product on the floor, screwing with playoff seedings and player contracts and all the other progressive effects the Process causes. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 So the Wolves weren’t intenionally putting a bad product on the floor last season when they played all those games in the 2nd half with only 8 men? 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 So the Wolves weren’t intenionally putting a bad product on the floor last season when they played all those games in the 2nd half with only 8 men? 

[timinator1Participant]

What I can tell you is the Sixers are playing with less than 8 capable NBA players, and that’s having repercussions around the whole league. And they admit it. 

[timinator1Participant]

What I can tell you is the Sixers are playing with less than 8 capable NBA players, and that’s having repercussions around the whole league. And they admit it. 

[skingzParticipant]

 because wolves fans are not obnoxious, they have 2 better propects (wiggins,towns), young prospect depth at every position. minnesota also has some good veterans (kmart, kg wont do much but he can play the perkins role) lol

 whereas philly has a rookie (okafor) a future rookie(embiid) and a rookie last year (noel) playing the same position.your future power forward (saric) is not even in america. you have no small forwards and i mean none whatsoever. your sg is a sophomore was drafted too high and traded already, plays no d all he can do is shoot and create a little. wroten i like though can’t hate there…but there is no depth…except at center…this is a guard league..unlike philly fans, most other fans don’t wanna wait 5 years to possibly be good..i was fed up with the kings until this offseason 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I think people feel bad for the Wolves. When the Lakers and Knicks went into tank mode people got at them on forums and within the media. Even most of the Lakers signings looks like they are trying to lose. Stacking up on gaurds that struggle defensively last years Boozer signing and grabbing Hibbert. That won’t put you in the playoffs who are you kidding.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I think people feel bad for the Wolves. When the Lakers and Knicks went into tank mode people got at them on forums and within the media. Even most of the Lakers signings looks like they are trying to lose. Stacking up on gaurds that struggle defensively last years Boozer signing and grabbing Hibbert. That won’t put you in the playoffs who are you kidding.

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