[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 The player association should push for a Lebron Rule. There a Derrick Rose rule why not a Lebron Rule, where if you have several MVP’s you can make up to 51% of the teams salary cap but only count as 25% or 33% of the teams actual cap count.

So if there is a 63 million dollar cap 1/3 of it is 21 million but a top tier player can make 32 million of the 63 and the rest is hidden from the cap count like the rest of Asik’s and Lin’s 15 million. Only 8.4 million counts against the cap. 

This would allow for guys like Lebron to not take up so much cap that it hurts team building but get closer to there true value. Which for Lebron is like 75 million a season, but good luck with that if you don’t play soccer. 

It could raise or lower depending on MVP’s, All Start starts and things like that, much like the Derrick Rose Rule. 

The Laker’s could have done this for Kobe, instead of 24 million a season over the next two they could had paid him using the Lebron Rule for past services.

It could be punitive also and have those extra dollars count toward luxury taxes but not hurt team building. If Melo takes the max 5 year 129 million he will make 29 million in the last year of that deal. It kills the team cap and it keeps stars from being able to play with of talent, I’m not personally a fan of superteams but they make the sport as a whole more marketable.

Miami could then pay the big three max+ and Lebrons max might weigh 33% of the cap while Wade and Bosh, having All Star starts but less All NBA and no MVP’s would count 25% of the cap. Or all three could count as 25% leaving a fourth of the cap left for random role players. 

Lebron should be one of the top 10 highest paid athletes in the world, not for endorsements but from the sport he plays. He hasn’t even been the highest paid player on a team he’s been on since he has been in the NBA, which is a travesty. 

Some guys get robbed by the cap and Lebron is one of them. No way millionaires should take pay cuts so billionaires don’t have to share tax money with each other. 

 

 

  

  

 

 

 

 

[CanadianGMParticipant]

 Had to give you thumbs up but the salary cap is complicated enough. The Lin/Asik deals took the average of the 3 year 25 million for 8.3 million each year against the cap even though they were structured at 5/5/15.It would certainly be interesting what that would do as I could see a franchise going NY Yankees style on Lebron hoping that it would push there franchise value up to Clippers level. A team with local broadcast rights coming up would make Lebron the highest paid athlete in North America and deservedly so. I’m not sure why somebody doesn’t offer Parsons a front loaded contract immediately to make Houston unable to match as it would take them out of play for Lebron/Melo/Bosh. They have to move Lin to Jazz or 76ers with incentives to get this cap hit off there books and probably wouldn’t match a 14 million 1 st year offer, 2nd/3rd/4th years could devalue using Morey s same tactics against him.

[CanadianGMParticipant]

 Had to give you thumbs up but the salary cap is complicated enough. The Lin/Asik deals took the average of the 3 year 25 million for 8.3 million each year against the cap even though they were structured at 5/5/15.It would certainly be interesting what that would do as I could see a franchise going NY Yankees style on Lebron hoping that it would push there franchise value up to Clippers level. A team with local broadcast rights coming up would make Lebron the highest paid athlete in North America and deservedly so. I’m not sure why somebody doesn’t offer Parsons a front loaded contract immediately to make Houston unable to match as it would take them out of play for Lebron/Melo/Bosh. They have to move Lin to Jazz or 76ers with incentives to get this cap hit off there books and probably wouldn’t match a 14 million 1 st year offer, 2nd/3rd/4th years could devalue using Morey s same tactics against him.

[dariusas22Participant]

It’s stupid idea. while i agree what lebron should earn more money but i disagree about team. in my opinion salary cap should be all about competitive league not about money. For example if nba agree with you and implement this rule. Miami could sign all big 3 plus carmelo and maybe more stars. Then another team do the same thing and league will be predictable all about two teams. and what about small market team ? nobody would want to play for them because or market and because where would be no chance to win something because league have “Super teams”. Now league already have big 3. what happens if team could sign big 5. I would love to see league where stars play against each others not together.

[dariusas22Participant]

It’s stupid idea. while i agree what lebron should earn more money but i disagree about team. in my opinion salary cap should be all about competitive league not about money. For example if nba agree with you and implement this rule. Miami could sign all big 3 plus carmelo and maybe more stars. Then another team do the same thing and league will be predictable all about two teams. and what about small market team ? nobody would want to play for them because or market and because where would be no chance to win something because league have “Super teams”. Now league already have big 3. what happens if team could sign big 5. I would love to see league where stars play against each others not together.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Plus Melo could get 32 million a season himself from the Knicks. It could also be designated for one or two players per franchise. If it were possible then Miami would pay over the 144 million in taxes and losse the Netsdid this year, if they had 4 guys making 30 million. 

How could this be any dumber than the current system where a max player can make only 25% of the cap but guys grandfathered in like Kobe or Lebron can get raises to there currently salary that over step 25%?

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Plus Melo could get 32 million a season himself from the Knicks. It could also be designated for one or two players per franchise. If it were possible then Miami would pay over the 144 million in taxes and losse the Netsdid this year, if they had 4 guys making 30 million. 

How could this be any dumber than the current system where a max player can make only 25% of the cap but guys grandfathered in like Kobe or Lebron can get raises to there currently salary that over step 25%?

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

A team could make it a 2 year deal with a player option. Houston wouldn’t match because they could have had Parsons play for like a half million this season. If its just one year then Morey is smart enough to trade it as an expiring. 

As far as complicating the cap it could just be a ghost ten million. Doesn’t count anywhere except if a team is over luxury tax and they would just have to pay the matching cost. That’s if you wanna punish teams that do this.

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

A team could make it a 2 year deal with a player option. Houston wouldn’t match because they could have had Parsons play for like a half million this season. If its just one year then Morey is smart enough to trade it as an expiring. 

As far as complicating the cap it could just be a ghost ten million. Doesn’t count anywhere except if a team is over luxury tax and they would just have to pay the matching cost. That’s if you wanna punish teams that do this.

 

[xJumpManxParticipant]

Awful idea. You do not fix a cap situation by allowing another team to spend more than other teams. The cap is there for competive balance.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

Awful idea. You do not fix a cap situation by allowing another team to spend more than other teams. The cap is there for competive balance.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Lebron or Melo makes 40% of the entire teams cap like the fourth or fifth year of a deal they could sign for this summer. Where would the competitive balance be in their favor. Same for the Lakers and Kobe.

Right now the Lakers have Kobe at 24 million a year in a year where the cap is 63. This hurts teams with stars grandfathered in. Everybody thinks Kobe got overpaid and he should get around 16 million next year if healthy. The Lakers did him a solid by paying him for past production, which was nice it would have been nicer if they could have did that without hurting their team. If Robinson Cano can take 240 million from the Mariner’s gauranteed but Legron can only get 124 from his home team or any team then that is a travesty. 

I would personal threaten to take my talents to Southern France or somewhere or start an International League. About 12-15 teams in the states and 12 to 15 tems internationally.

I hate when giants of the free market tell players screw the free market, the League will only work if we put a cap on what your worth is. 

 

 

  

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Lebron or Melo makes 40% of the entire teams cap like the fourth or fifth year of a deal they could sign for this summer. Where would the competitive balance be in their favor. Same for the Lakers and Kobe.

Right now the Lakers have Kobe at 24 million a year in a year where the cap is 63. This hurts teams with stars grandfathered in. Everybody thinks Kobe got overpaid and he should get around 16 million next year if healthy. The Lakers did him a solid by paying him for past production, which was nice it would have been nicer if they could have did that without hurting their team. If Robinson Cano can take 240 million from the Mariner’s gauranteed but Legron can only get 124 from his home team or any team then that is a travesty. 

I would personal threaten to take my talents to Southern France or somewhere or start an International League. About 12-15 teams in the states and 12 to 15 tems internationally.

I hate when giants of the free market tell players screw the free market, the League will only work if we put a cap on what your worth is. 

 

 

  

 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Can’t compare baseball vs basketball. There isn’t a cap in baseball.  The Cano deal is awful anyways.  All those huge deals in baseball are terrible for the most part.  Pujols, awful. A-Rod, awful.

 

These guys accepted the new CBA, so they knew what they were getting into.  Both players and owners.

 

Everything is really on the players at this point.  You have two options, take the most money possible and give your team less flexibility.  Or take slightly less money and give your team a better chance to build a winner.  Either you want to win, or you want that paper.

 

Personally I hate the grandfather rule and max contract rule.  You should be able to sign for the same amount of money with any organization.  And for as much as you want.  Teams would still have to stay under the cap, but it gives teams a better chance at enticing a player to leave.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Carmelo just stays in NY b/c of how much more money he can make.  It kinda puts players in a tough position.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Can’t compare baseball vs basketball. There isn’t a cap in baseball.  The Cano deal is awful anyways.  All those huge deals in baseball are terrible for the most part.  Pujols, awful. A-Rod, awful.

 

These guys accepted the new CBA, so they knew what they were getting into.  Both players and owners.

 

Everything is really on the players at this point.  You have two options, take the most money possible and give your team less flexibility.  Or take slightly less money and give your team a better chance to build a winner.  Either you want to win, or you want that paper.

 

Personally I hate the grandfather rule and max contract rule.  You should be able to sign for the same amount of money with any organization.  And for as much as you want.  Teams would still have to stay under the cap, but it gives teams a better chance at enticing a player to leave.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Carmelo just stays in NY b/c of how much more money he can make.  It kinda puts players in a tough position.

[phila9012Participant]

I like the idea, I think they should get rid of the max contract and increase the salary cap. If LeBron could have gotten $35 million a year in cleveland, there is no way he would walk away from that and take the 17 or 18 million dollars the heat offered him to team up. It would bring parady to the sport because teams wouldnt be able to afford more than 2 superstars and taking 3 to 4 million less a year is a lot different from walking away from $15 million dollars a year. There is no good way to do it in the NBA. It is most popular when their star teams in it but when there are there only 4 to 8 teams who can realistically even compete for a title each year.

 

 Like this year, if at the beginning of the year you had to pick 5 teams who you thought would be in the conference finals you would have said Indiana Miami, Spurs clippers thunder and there would have been agreement on that and those are the teams who made it there. Same with next year, you can probably add bulls and rockets to that and you know 7 of the 8 teams in the semi finals and the playoffs dont start for another 9 and a half months. Which is good an bad because I like watching the best play each other and bad because if you are a fan of the other 23 teams you know your team is probably not winning a title next year.

[phila9012Participant]

I like the idea, I think they should get rid of the max contract and increase the salary cap. If LeBron could have gotten $35 million a year in cleveland, there is no way he would walk away from that and take the 17 or 18 million dollars the heat offered him to team up. It would bring parady to the sport because teams wouldnt be able to afford more than 2 superstars and taking 3 to 4 million less a year is a lot different from walking away from $15 million dollars a year. There is no good way to do it in the NBA. It is most popular when their star teams in it but when there are there only 4 to 8 teams who can realistically even compete for a title each year.

 

 Like this year, if at the beginning of the year you had to pick 5 teams who you thought would be in the conference finals you would have said Indiana Miami, Spurs clippers thunder and there would have been agreement on that and those are the teams who made it there. Same with next year, you can probably add bulls and rockets to that and you know 7 of the 8 teams in the semi finals and the playoffs dont start for another 9 and a half months. Which is good an bad because I like watching the best play each other and bad because if you are a fan of the other 23 teams you know your team is probably not winning a title next year.

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