[blazer_fan_foreverParticipant]

Gabereal33 thinks Roy isn’t a great player…What a joke.

Roy lead one of the youngest teams in the NBA (technically the youngest) to a very good seed in the West.

He is one of the most well rounded players to come in the NBA for some time…He can score, pass, rebound, play good d and be a great leader…Not to mention that he was the go to guy every time in the 4th quarter and delivered time and time again.

What else does Roy need to do to be considered a great player?

[QHaynes20]

Roy is a great player.

But, To me dont say he did it all by himself. He did not

[blazer_fan_foreverParticipant]

He had plenty of weapons, but really…how many GREAT players don’t?

[QHaynes20]

Sorry, I thought you wrote he had no help.

Yea, Roy is good but to me, I like Mayo in the long run. Roy is overall a great talent. I think he can also thrive at the PG spot as well

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

He didn’t say Roy did it by himself… He said Roy LEAD his team, which is the youngest team in the NBA to the 4th seed in the West. Roy is clearly the leader on his team and the go to player, especially in the 4th quarter.

Roy is on the verge of becoming a superstar. In my opinion there’s Kobe and Wade… THEN under them, there’s Roy.

[blazer_fan_foreverParticipant]

I completely agree.

[QHaynes20]

My thing with Roy is this….How better can he become?

[blazer_fan_foreverParticipant]

He can keep improving that jumper. Right now it’s good, but it could become great. I think he could improve his defensive intensity as well…Kind of what LeBron did last year.

[QHaynes20]

Yea. I mean he can improve those things but to me I dont see Roy number-wise improving that much.

[QHaynes20]

Yea. I mean he can improve those things but to me I dont see Roy number-wise improving that much.

[blazer_fan_foreverParticipant]

To be honest, as long as guys like LA, Oden, and Batum improve, I could careless if Roy really improves his stats.

[JNixonParticipant]

I agree with question. He’s always been a player thats considered to not be a high upside player since he was a 4 yr guy and he had all the prototypical physical skills. But I think the leap he made from his 1st season to now shows you you shouldnt rule him out for continued develpment. the same question was asked when he was a rookie.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

I hate when ppl say things like how much more can he improve (in reference to ppl who aren’t super athletic)… are u kidding me? just by studying the game… adding new moves to the arsenal in the off-season… playing more playoff games to get experience and to learn from mistakes… i look at a guy like paul pierce and even though he’s not that athletic he’s definitely come a long way since he was the only player on the celtics.

[blazer_fan_foreverParticipant]

Roy is pretty athletic. At the combine he had a 40+ inch vertical…Better than Johnny Flynn…

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

who cares about ‘numbers-wise’ his numbers aren’t going to ‘improve’ that much because he’s on a very talented squad… but i mean, even just taking 500 3’s/day in the summer he’d probably improve on that 37% clip and score the same amount of points, but more efficiently

[QHaynes20]

Badger….You can ask the question. I said numbers-wise.

I hear you Blazerfan. Roy averages 22-25 for the next 8 seasons and the team looks good it does not matter.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Lol… How much can Roy improve? A LOT. He’s still young. You make it like he’s 30 or something. He can average the same numbers next season, but STILL improve leaps and bounds. It’s not just about numbers.

He could improve his leadership ability and mentality. Yes, he’s the leader and go-to player, but I still feel he could accept that role and embrace it even more. Similar to a Kobe or D. Wade. I think he could improve defensively. He’s a good defender, but not a great one. There’s a ton of things he could still improve on. There’s not much he can’t do talent/skill wise, so I think most of his improvement will come mentally and the way he sees the game.

[QHaynes20]

Wow…I said numbers-wise twice and you guys gotta pay attention

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

well the question is, who cares if he improves numbers-wise?

[QHaynes20]

…..wow badger. I just asked a question and like blow it up for no reason

If I ask the question, im curious. Is his number gonna increase alot, alittle or not at all? Yes or No…no need to do all that does it matter stuff.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i donno this comment set me off : My thing with Roy is this….How better can he become?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

It all comes down to this… You need to watch Roy more, because you’re underrating him. You’re sleeping on him. You’ve said a few times in other posts that you think Mayo has more potential and will be better than Roy in the long run. I respect your opinion, but I think you need to watch Roy more to understand the nature of his game.

[QHaynes20]

I watch Roy, I like Roy. I support the Blazers.

He can play but my question was how much better number-wise can he be? Like he’s 25 now. If you predict and say he has 8-9 more seasons left in him…how much better can he become?

Mayo does have more upside then him. The numbers are not that far apart and Roy is 4 years older then him. IMO, Mayo can be better then Roy in the next 3 seasons

Badger- I understand. I hate when ppl hate Rondo. It’s cool.

[RichardNixonParticipant]

Will be the best scorer on this team in a few years.

[KevinDurantRocksParticipant]

Is everything in a 1 option of a player except scoring and by that i mean i dont think he could score 50 points if his team needed it which is nothing bad about him he makes wonderfull clutch plays for him and his team mates he just needs a strong 2 option so that Portland will be great

[KevinDurantRocksParticipant]

Needs ALdrige to become a Gasol type option and Oden to become the defensive star

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

kdrocks-

he did drop 50+ when they beat phoenix last year, and 40 i believe against the rockets earlier in the year… also in a win.

The dude showed last season he can get 20+ in his sleep, and 30+ about 20/yr… he’s a perfectly good scorer… the improvements he’s made from his first two years to last year were mostly in scoring, esp. 30+ games.

[KevinDurantRocksParticipant]

He cant get those numbers but im saying he wont do it on night to night basis

[D HampParticipant]

Roy ISN’T a great player. He is a VERY GOOD player.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

I mean, what’d your point, not many could get 50 on a night to night basis… but i mean, i think he had 15 gms of 30+ last year… which is really good if u ask me, especially on such a deep team

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i’m dhamp and i am the smartest, therefore i will just say random things without any explanation

[quincey hodges]

it depends on what you consider great. alot of people say you have to take youre team to at least the conference finals. and yeah his upside isnt as high as some of the others because hes not in the same athletic class as a lebron kobe jordan. And just because you have a high vert doesnt make you real athletic..weird i know but tru. take kevin love and deandre jordan…love has a vert 5 inches higher then jordan but i dont think anyone would consider love to be more athletic then jordan. In the end he will be cnsidered by all to be a great player but unless he leads the blazers to a title( is possible on day) hes not gona be considered on the level of wade,lebron,kobe

[justin22443Participant]

This post is directly referring to the long argument in the survey post. And as far as Brandon Roy goes, I never said he wasn’t a good player, he is just not top 10 IMO

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

how isn’t he top 10 thats insane

[justin22443Participant]

haha do you want me to list 10 players better than him? because thats pretty much how this topic got started

[D HampParticipant]

Roy is a two-time all-star. In my book he’s a one-time all-star, because one I don’t think he deserved. Nonetheless, he’s a verygood player, but I want to see more from him. I want him to lead his team deep in the playoffs this year. Maybe the conference finals. I like him as a player, but when I think great, I think Lebron and Wade.

I put Roy and Carmelo in the same class. They are willing and ready to be superstars, but I need to see just a little more.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[quincey hodges]

that was actually suprisingly a pretty good post dhamp:)..but seriously i would have to agree with you on that..when i think roy i dont think of bron and wade in the same class..to be honest i know think dhoward in the same class or a half of a step behind bron wade

[D HampParticipant]

Yeah, I put D Howard in that class also.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[QHaynes20]

Roy to me is a top 10 talent.

I feel the NBA has 3 players who you can say is the best in the NBA without a big arguement (Wade, Bron, Kobe) and the rest are making up the Top 10. I mean, Roy now is great but I dont see him ever being the best player in the NBA and honestly, I can see Mayo being a better SG then him by the time Kobe retires.

[quincey hodges]

yeh i feel mayo will be one of the best. not just because of his talent but the way everyone whos worked with him (including the great time grover) said his drive and work ethic is unmatched by anyone except the greats. none of which is suprising to me since this is what was being said when he was just a 8th grader. hes being preparing to be a pro long before most

[QHaynes20]

Mayo numbers were not that bad and Roy is 4 years older and the numbers arent far now…

Mayo- 18.5ppg 3.8 rpg 3.2apg
Roy- 22.6ppg, 4.6 rpg and 5.1 apg

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

I’ve also heard similar things about mayo’s work ethic….

i mean, 18 ppg 4 rpg and 3 apg is very pedestrian and ordinary to me. Esp for someone who had the ball as much as he did as the #1 option and best player on the team…

another big factor to point out is that BRoy’s asst-to was 2.5-1 and Mayo’s was basically 1-1, which is AWFUL for someone who wants to be a PG.

[QHaynes20]

i mean, 18 ppg 4 rpg and 3 apg is very pedestrian and ordinary to me

as a rookie? Sounds like a good start to me. Also, I think Rudy Gay was more the 1st option. Mayo also was not the best shooter in his 1st season.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

hahahah rudy gay…. a first option…. i didn’t see many memphis games, but the games i did watch, rudy was not the #1 option. It was Mayo-Mayo-Mayo.

mayo got those 18 pts on 16 shots… he’s got to get to the line more than 3.5 times /gm.

[QHaynes20]

I did see some Memphis games, Gay was more the guy in games I saw.

Yea, but in his 2nd season, I expect him to get more free throws then 3 a game.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

I hope he does get to the line more!! I mean, there’s not denying OJ is a very decent player, but his last season didn’t do anything to blow me away. That’s all I’m saying.

And it’s not unreasonable to think he’ll get to be where Roy is today, although comparing the two right now, roy is way better, to me, than oj.

[QHaynes20]

Yea, Right now Roy over OJ.

He shoots a little too much. Even in HS and College, he seems he wanted to shoot instead of drive and get the contact.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Yea, and if Roy can get to the line more, he’ll definitely take himself to another level too.

[quincey hodges]

thats pedestrian to you?..so any rookie of the past with lower numbers then that would probably be considered awful right?..ill have to check out pauls, roys, and a bunch of other players as rookie to see who would be consider bad..lol

[quincey hodges]

also gay was the number one option..oj was the number 2..on a team like that as a number one or two option youre suppossed to take many shots. its not as easy as it soounds, to take the shots and make them while the defense is concentrating on you and one other player. roy luckly doesnt have to worry about that with all the options that he has

[MO-GParticipant]

B-Roy well always have haters and lovers of his game it’s just the style he plays the game. To me he is a player every high school 2 should emulate because of his fundamentals. I ways see him using the triple threat the man sample knows how to play the game and am sorry but mayo is just to me first to be that great the game is there but the mine is off a bite. Just me idea’s

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Let me see your top ten then justin.

[SDEParticipant]

Ask Artest how good roy is if he wasn’t good then he wouldn’t be a lock for the 2010 team next summer ,..IMO roy is second best SG in the league right now. people say he not a star cause he’s not selfish at all he loves the word teamwork Kobe is selfish only pass when people say he be shooting all the time,Wade is good but the only thing he got on roy is Defense. Wade say he want better players around him but ill wait and see (he needs his shots).

[D HampParticipant]

What up SDE. Where you been? I remember when Artest said Roy was his toughest guard and the first player to score 40 points on him.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[quincey hodges]

ok now we going a lil over board..roy is not better then wade and isnt even close to kobe sde…kobe was selfish because he had to be. that seemed to be the same thing that they said about jordan…anyway roy is good but he isnt nor will he ever be on kobes level

[Dtay2152Participant]

anyone who thinks b roy isnt a top 10 player doesnt watch the blazers. he is so clutch and does everything well the dude doesnt have a weakness. he is kind of like the tim duncan of the guards. and saying he isnt athletic is a joke he is deceptively quick and has a nice vert. he does whatever the team needs him to do to win. dhamp you really dont know what your talking about, how old are you anyways?

[SDEParticipant]

D hamp im good took a break.. some citrusDi@khead was talking a while back
But pause imo roy is better than dwade, roy is more consitant and plays every year, but im not going to lie wade goes in and work hard …PAUSE on the kobe level never said he was on kobe level see Kobe had to work hard at where he at now sure he was good as a young player but he wasn’t as good as LBJ or Melo was was at a young age. Kobe is scary great seen it in pickup ball he dont miss

[quincey hodges]

i just cant see roy as better then wade..roy is good i will give him that but i dont think he could constantly take over for awhole season like wade can with as lil talent as he had oon top of the fact that wade has lead his team to a title and looked like the mirror image of jordan while in the finals. i really feel if wade was on the blazers team instead of roy then they would have gotten to the western conference finals

[SDEParticipant]

Once again PAUSE Shaq was the reason wade got that championship ok wade took the game over thats what he do but dallas fell apart like always.Wade on the Blazers sounds great but thats it it sounds good. Wade will demand the ball all the time blazers is a team filled with Egos L Alridge isnt with wade gunning and greg oden will never develop his game plus he will be in the west where its much harder. Why do you think Miami is a bad team if wade leaves Beazy and them will explode

[butidonthavemoney]

Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Dwayne Wade
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Brandon Roy
Yao Ming
Dirk Nowitzki

[JNixonParticipant]

There’s no way Brandon Roy is as good as Wade. No way. Its not even a question.

[quincey hodges]

for one miami isnt a bad team and 2 the blazers have a better team right now. wade showed early in his career that he can pass the ball more if need be when he has more talent.. and on that championship team that was wades team..shaq was the second fiddle…theres a reason dwade is picked first team all nba over brandon roy

[JNixonParticipant]

Dwyane Wade nearly single-handedly won that Finals series against Dallas. Shaq did not have the biggest impact on that team. Wade was never the 2nd option on the Heat with Shaq there. He actually hasnt been a 2nd option in his whole career. Wade is simply better than Brandon Roy.

[quincey hodges]

And wade averaged more assist on a team with less talent. hes just a better overall player no matter how u look at it..better set up man, better defender,steals,blks,rebounds,…its actually not even that close

[marcusfizer21Participant]

“Brandon Roy is NOT a great player” huh? excuse me… can i hear you say that gain? maybe my ears are hurting…
“Brandon Roy is NOT a great player” what? those words… can they even be put together in a sentence?????

What else should Roy prove to everyone that he is GREAT? Nothing… The leadership is there… The offense is there… The winning attitude is there… But please never say Brandon is NOT a Great Player… People who say those things should be crucified… It won’t take long for the Blazers to be a threat in the West next season…with a healthy Oden and Aldridge to back him up, definitely he is going to lead the Blazers deeper than before…

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Quincey~

how many guys go into a situation where they are arguably the best player on their team? If DRose would’ve gone to a place like Memphis where he would have been hands down the best player, I think he would have shown way more than OJ. 18 ppg is good, especially for a rookie, but SOMEONE has to score on that team and SOMEONE has to take shots and most of the time it’s either OJ or Gay taking em… and SOME of them are bound to go in 😉

and i’ll take your and Q’s word that GAy was the #1 option, since I didn’t see all that many games. when it came down to crunch time in the games I saw, it was Mayo-Mayo-Mayo, like I said earlier.

1-1 asst-to ratio? and the guy wants to be a PG? that’s pedestrian to me… same with getting to the line 3.5 times/gm…

[justin22443Participant]

my top 10 in no particular order

Kobe, Lebron, Paul, Wade, Duncan, Garnett, D. Williams, Arenas, Nowitzki, Howard

[quincey hodges]

lol..most shooting guards as rookies have low assist to turn over ration because there job is too score..im pretty sure if he was on the bulls with a ben gordan and kirk and tyrus and noah to throw passes too then his assist to turnover ration would have been higher. he put up his points while facing nightly double teams. would rose be able to do it…im not so sure because his jumper is still suspect and hes not the brightest of kids… and fizer whats youre definition of great?..if roy is great then kobe wade dhoward, and lebron would be considered what, since they are on a different level then roy

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

pedestrian: lacking excitement; dull….

that’s all im saying…. i was hoping for more outta the guy. he could have gotten those numbers in his sleep.

[quincey hodges]

yeah prob not even a top 10 player..but roys a strong 11

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Arenas is not a top ten player.

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