[fliptonnParticipant]

of course it depends on who ends up staying and who ends up leaving, and i know the mocks are a little off right now because of pre tournament play but wow. some notable second rounders are quincy miller, marquis teague, draymond green, buford, withey, alex young, sims, gordon, darius miller, robbie hummel, elias harris, tyshawn taylor, will barton, and scott mochado. not to mention an absolutely STACKED first round. i see about 40-45 guys who could make a real impact in the league for years. I really hope all these guys go pro, it would really shake things up in the league. 

[orangeshadow83Participant]

40-45 players for one draft class is a huge number to make an  real impact in the league. I do feel that there will be maybe 25-30 impact players out of this draft, which is a lot for one draft. The ony thing lacking from this draft is a real superstar. Davis Drummond Barnes Rivers etc… SHOULD all be pretty good players in the league, maybe allstars but I dont see any of them becoming an elite superstar.

I think if Barnes get put in a good scenario with a PG that can set him up with shots he has the best shot at being a superstar. I think Davis is going to be very good, but I don’t think hes going to be a face of a franchise. He will be a defensive stopper probably compete with Dwight in a couple years for DPOY annually but he will never be a first option on offense.

Overall this is going to be a very good draft but I just don’t see an elite player coming out this year but I do see some in the next couple of years (Shabazz, Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker).

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

 It isn’t a very good draft even if everyone comes out. It is a collection of very flawed raw players, and it reflects what really has been a bad season of college basketball. This comes at a horrible time too, because teams like Charlotte, New Orleans, Washington, and Toronto need help now. Nobody in this draft is making a difference for Charlotte. No two guys are going to make a New Orleans team respectable. Heck, most of the first round is really not impressive.

Tony Mitchell has played no one in the Sun Belt, and gets 21st? A Big XII recruit in the Sun Belt should have nice numbers, but that doesn’t get him ready for the NBA.  

Fab Melo has done nothing this season to remotely give the impression that he can play in the NBA, he is at 20. He is a big body who from year 1 to 2 learned to run up the floor without getting winded. He still doesn’t move his feet, which is kind of something guys have to do in the NBA.

Meyers Leonard has basically gotten his coach fired. He has the size, athleticism, and skill to be a great prospect. I get why he has to get taken highly. He is 7’1, but he is not ready physically for the NBA and his enigmatic behavior and play this season really ought to scare teams. If any college team that bodies him can get him to back down, then what good is he in the NBA? He is at 13.

Moe Harkless and Terrence Jones are NBA 3s who cannot shoot. Terrence Jones also has no right hand. Take a look at Al-Farouq Aminuu, Julian Wright, and Quincy Pondexter for how that works out. They are 15 and 18.

Perry Jones, what hasn’t been said of Jones that also hasn’t been said of Austin Daye? It is nice when a 6’11" guy has guard skills, but if at the end of the day he is just a mediocre 6’11" guard then what good is the size? If Jones was knockdown from 14-24 feet, then I’d live with the fact that he doesn’t like contact but he those shots aren’t falling. 17th.

Damian Lillard is a 6’1 combo guard who basically plays a D2 schedule, 11th.

Arnett Moultrie is another JaJuan Johnson, 6th. MKG is another Kawhi Leonard, 8th. Johnson and Leonard didn’t go as high as those two, and they are basically the same players.

Bradley Beal, make a shot against a decent team. 2012 Xavier Henry type season, 9th.

Thomas Robinson, a 6’8 power forward with a backup PFs skill set, 4th. What team that has the 4th pick in the draft wants to come away with a power forward whose skill set dictates he will be the 5th option in the offense? Certainly, not a functional one. Maybe the Warriors.

Mason Plumlee who is featured prominently in the highlight tapes of every ACC big man because he is just a 7-foot athlete, 26th.

Jeffrey Taylor, took 4 years to make a jumper, and now can finally get the title of being a really good athletic college 4. Too bad he has to be an NBA 3, and he doesn’t have the offense to be a starter there, 23rd.

Dion Waiters… 2010 Duke won a title and no one on that team has made for a good NBA player. Waiters is a small 2-guard with a mediocre shot. Just because Syracuse is good, it doesn’t mean they have NBA players. 22nd.

 

[fliptonnParticipant]

look at the last two draft class, this one blows them out of the water. ill agree that 40-45 is an exaggeration but there are a lot of guys who can make an impact down the line. i understand the syracuse players thing but at the same time a guy like kris joseph has the tools to get very good and a lot of teams need a guy like fab melo for his defense (hes got a huge +/-). the guys you mentioned like al faruq and julian wright are much more comparable to will barton than guys like harkless and jones who have significantly more nba ready bodies. same with perry jones, much bigger than austin daye, the guy has potential through the roof. lillard shoots a high percentage and still scores 25 a game, hes high on draft lists because of performances like 36 pts against ranked st. mary’s. you talk about guys like plumlee and meyers being "just" athletic 7 footers which is a term ive never heard before. on top of that, youll be surprised how good anthony davis will be when hes the focal point of an offense. jeremy lamb, austin rivers and kidd-gilchrist are all gonna be nasty. but besides all that, i was more speaking to this drafts depth. i think this draft has a lot of guys who can really defend, have room to put on weight, are young and athletic, and can really make an impact in this league. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 BTPH is the only one who seems to be down on this draft other than me.

Just because this is an NBAdraft forum, doesn’t mean the draft has to be awesome. This draft is not awesome, not at the top, not at the middle, not at the end. Like he said, look at Charlotte, Toronto, New Orleans, and Washington. Does Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond make any of those teams better right now? If I had a high pick in this draft, I would trade out and get some real players since most teams are overhyping this draft as well. 

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Weakest point guard draft I’ve seen in a while but a good mix of other position players. 

[bdiddy5115Participant]

It’s a good class, but the hype machine has made it become overrated, mostly because the last 3 drafts have been criticized as weak (some of it valid, some not).

I like A.Davis a lot, but even if he pans out as a DPOY type player, the team drafting him is still getting an 18ppg guy at best with their #1 pick. One of the necessary components of being a franchise player is being capable of putting the team on your back offensively. So while Davis may be a difference-maker, he won’t be a traditional franchise player…

’10 had Wall, ’09 had Griffin, ’08 had Rose, ’07 had Durant and so on. And I don’t see any franchise players in this draft in that classical sense, unless Andre Drummond somehow hits his ceiling, which looks unlikely at this point.

I’d say the lottery has more quality prospects than it has in the past few years, and there is plenty of talent that should be available in the 20-30 range as well. I don’t like the 2nd round group of prospects as much as a few of the recent years however.

[HadzialijagicParticipant]

 Next years draft might be better with Adams, Muhammad, Noel, Zeller and McAdoo most likrly coming out  plus probably a handful of good players coming back. I like the potential of the first 3 especially with Adams and Noel having Davis like potential and Muhammad being the top swigman prospect since Durant.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

“a lot of teams need a guy like fab melo for his defense (hes got a huge +/-).”
NBA teams don’t play 2-3, and the foul numbers are troubling.

“the guys you mentioned like al faruq and julian wright are much more comparable to will barton than guys like harkless and jones who have significantly more nba ready bodies.”

They don’t have more NBA ready bodies, and the lack of a shot is not something that can be overcome with the standard level NBA athleticism of Harkless and Jones.

“same with perry jones, much bigger than austin daye”
Plays the same exact way, and if you do not think he is a considerable better shooter than he has showed to be over the past two years the result will be the same. I hope he fares better than Daye, but if he has no desire to get touched he has to actually be good on the perimeter not just theoretically good there.

“. lillard shoots a high percentage and still scores 25 a game, hes high on draft lists because of performances like 36 pts against ranked st. mary’s.”
He had a good game against St. Mary’s. He wasn’t special against BYU (5-12) and had a bad game against Cal (4-17). The “next best” opposition he has faced has been UT-Arlington, Montana, and Utah St. He shot 5-12, 4-15, 7-19, and 4-16 in those games. He has another crack at Montana tonight. Last year, he was good against Utah St and Utah, but bad against Arizona St and hurt vs Tulsa. The year prior, UCSB, UNLV, Morehead St, Northern Colorado, and Cincy gave him problems. He had mixed success in games against Utah St and Montana.

“you talk about guys like plumlee and meyers being “just” athletic 7 footers which is a term ive never heard before”
Every bad team has an athletic 7-footer who doesn’t help them: Petro, Hollins, Whiteside, Tyler, Sol Jones, have your choice of Wizards and Bobcats, etc. Mason Plumlee isn’t particularly good at either end. He can guard space, but not someone who can do anything. Leonard has flashes of greatness and many instances that give you pause. He is a the personification of a lottery ticket, but if my team is bad it is hard to justify that kind of risk, 17-30 I am more at ease with the risk versus the potential.

“i think this draft has a lot of guys who can really defend, have room to put on weight, are young and athletic, and can really make an impact in this league.”
Name one draft of which this has not been said.

“If I had a high pick in this draft, I would trade out and get some real players since most teams are overhyping this draft as well.”
It depends on what you can get. Trading down just to trade down doesn’t help, and real teams aren’t going to trade their real players for a prospect.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I just cant believe BTPH compared Daye to PJ3.  Perry Jones is about 35 pounds heavier, jumpers about 10 inches higher, and can’t shoot whic his the only thing Daye can do.  Plus Daye can’t really guard anybody cuz he’s about as athletic as Brook Lopez.  Jones got the foot speed to stick with 2guards.

Compared to other years this draft is pretty talented just look at the fact guys like PJ3, Barnes, and Sullinger were locks for the top 5 last year and this year they might not even go in the top 5.  Plus last year didn’t have Anthony Davis.

This draft got no PG’s but only a few teams in the league even need a PG anymore, what it does got is versatility and a ton of forwards.  It might not produce any Hall of Famers (besids Davis 🙂 but it should produce some very quality starters.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

When exactly has Perry Jones played anything resembling defense at Baylor much less showed "the foot speed to stick with 2guards?" He sits in a zone and shows little interest in doing that. Offensively, he wants to be a jump shooter. He doesn’t want to go down to the low block. He doesn’t want to fight inside and use his length on the glass. He wants to shoot jumpers, and while it impresses scouts when 6’11" guys display "guard skills" it can also imply that they will be mediocre oversized guards.

By the way, last year had Kyrie Irving. Nobody in this draft can step in on a bum team and make them look professional like he has done.

[TheLastWordParticipant]

The freshmen have all grossly dissapointed except Davis. PJIII was supposted to come back with the offense focused around him and be "the man". Sullinger is solid but doesn’t really have star power being so ground bound. Barnes robotic games has confirmed to us he defenitely has no superstar potential. When its all said and done the dreaded 2011 draft might end up better than this one.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

BTPH, I’m not sure you’ve watched much of Baylor this year.  No Perry Jones hasn’t been entirely impressive but he’s only 19 and he’s certainly improved since last year.  Last year he got most of his off of just pure athleticism.  This year he’s added moves on the low block, but he’s improved the most operating from the high post which is something Baylor doesn’t exploit enough.  He has moves with his back to the basket in the mid range area.  He likes to post up like 10 to 15 feet from the back and turn over either shoulder for jumpers.  

And his foot speed his phenomenal.  It’s not his fault that Baylor plays a dumb zone defense which surely is hurting his development and you’re right he don;t look great in it, but unless you’re a great shot block which he’s not, it’s hard to stand out playing a zone defense.  But he certainly has the speed and agility to guard on the perimeter.

Take a look at this quick vid.  You’ll like it cause half of the video is PJ3 turning the ball over, but it also shows you his insane quickness and ball handling ability which a 6’11 guy shouldn’t posses.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzPA8OpzaTA

[r377Participant]

It is really so hard to tell.  After last years draft we said 2012 would be absolutely stacked and the 11 class would be quite ordinary.  In my eyes the 11 class has done better than expected.

The NCAA tournament is going to make alot of players.  Players like Davis and J.Lamb could all take their teams deep in the finals and cement their place as a future NBA All Stars…

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Every year as we get closer to the draft for some reason people start talking about how bad the class is.  They were saying how the 2010 class was gonna be horrible yet it produced a lot of players with immense potential who can make a big impact in the league. 

Everybody was hating on last year’s class tho I thought it was gonna produce a ton of rock solid starters.

This year’s class absolutely has more potential then the last few years.  BTPH don’t think it has a Kyrie Irving, no it don’t have that PG, but Anthony Davis is going to be a franchise changer too.  Jeremy Lamb and Brad Beal both got the type of talent to become upper echelon SG’s.  If River’s and MKG declare them too.  Guys like Quincy Miller and Wroten people are sleeping on but they have enormous potential as well.

I remenber last year I argued with people on this sight about Kenneth Faried like crazy.  You can google Mr. 19134 Kenneth Faried and this sight and it’ll bring up them old post.  People were tryna say he was gonna be Reggie Evans at best and i was saying he’s more like Ben Wallace with offense.  I don’t know if he’ll ever be a DPOY candidate but Faried is certainly a monster.  He’s already had a few double double’s including a 20-10 game last night and is on his way to becoming a standout.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

I have no idea how anyone missed on Faried.  Energy, strength, athletecism and skill?  How was he supposed to be Reggie who had 1 appreciable skill and nowhere near the motor or size?

[Ghost01Participant]

 BTPH, I’m not sure you’ve watched much of Baylor this year. No Perry Jones hasn’t been entirely impressive

 

You put that disclaimer in, and then try to defend him? IF he hasn’t been impressive then what are you defending? And the 2010 draft was pretty bad, still is to this day. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

 "People were tryna say he was gonna be Reggie Evans at best and i was saying he’s more like Ben Wallace with offense"

Funny, I don’t think a guy who is 30-72 on non-dunks should be called Ben Wallace with offense. 

"Take a look at this quick vid. You’ll like it cause half of the video is PJ3 turning the ball over, but it also shows you his insane quickness and ball handling ability which a 6’11 guy shouldn’t posses."

The video on Perry Jones is just a video. It doesn’t speak to anything I didn’t already know. I don’t get what you are trying to show. He is athletic, but when how has it been applied in games where the other team has size and athleticism too? He hasn’t fared well, and that is scary for someone with lottery projections.

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