[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Look at these guys who wont get the PT they deserve playing for Houston.. Its a whole lineup..

PG: Goran Dragic
SG: Courtney Lee
SF: Terance Williams
PF: Jordan Hill
C: Hasheem Thabett

I really like these guys.. Thabett makes me scratch my head, but everyone else needs more PT than they will most likely recieve in Houston.

Dragic will be stuck behind Lowry and Flynn.
Lee is behind Martin, who will play 35 min a night.
Williams will split time with Buddinger.
Hill is behind Scola and Patterson.
Thabett will have the most opportunity to play some but IDK about him..
 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

There is no reason to why T-Will gets no burn!!! Dude was coming up and making the most of his opportunities in Jersey. It’s just sad he gets the backseat role when he can hold his own. I really don’t see him being there long when they "have" no use for him, he can flourish elsewhere as a role player. I just hope he is not getting "black-balled" by Avery.

Great Thread & acknowledgment of this.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

There is no reason to why T-Will gets no burn!!! Dude was coming up and making the most of his opportunities in Jersey. It’s just sad he gets the backseat role when he can hold his own. I really don’t see him being there long when they "have" no use for him, he can flourish elsewhere as a role player. I just hope he is not getting "black-balled" by Avery.

Great Thread & acknowledgment of this.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

There is no reason to why T-Will gets no burn!!! Dude was coming up and making the most of his opportunities in Jersey. It’s just sad he gets the backseat role when he can hold his own. I really don’t see him being there long when they "have" no use for him, he can flourish elsewhere as a role player. I just hope he is not getting "black-balled" by Avery.

Great Thread & acknowledgment of this.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Where you at…..We most definitely would love to hear your views on your squads "No Burn list"

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Where you at…..We most definitely would love to hear your views on your squads "No Burn list"

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Where you at…..We most definitely would love to hear your views on your squads "No Burn list"

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Another thing with Williams is they just drafted the Morris kid… He is a SF/PF and Williams is a SF.. That is just 1 more player cutting into his time.. 

I agree with you that he could be great given the opportunity… Imagine him with LAC.. He would add more explosion to a team that is probably one of the most explosive anyway..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Another thing with Williams is they just drafted the Morris kid… He is a SF/PF and Williams is a SF.. That is just 1 more player cutting into his time.. 

I agree with you that he could be great given the opportunity… Imagine him with LAC.. He would add more explosion to a team that is probably one of the most explosive anyway..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Another thing with Williams is they just drafted the Morris kid… He is a SF/PF and Williams is a SF.. That is just 1 more player cutting into his time.. 

I agree with you that he could be great given the opportunity… Imagine him with LAC.. He would add more explosion to a team that is probably one of the most explosive anyway..

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I’m pretty sure the Rockets are going to try to make a move and trade some of these guys.  That’s my best bet.  It’s too much young talent to let go to waste.  We’re stacked with young talent at every position.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we make a move for Nene if he doesn’t sign with us in the offseason. 

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard are HUGE stretches but we were trying to get Chris Bosh in 09-10 and Carmelo in 10-11 so I would hope we atleast try to make that move.  Not to mention, we were in top 3 in the running for them and a serious option.

One of the three point guards will be gone, as well as Thabeet, T-Will OR Budinger, Hill, and probaby Luis Scola if they feel Motiejunas and Patterson are ready.

I’m hoping we try to sign Nene or Tyson Chandler in the offseason and try to trade for a 2nd-tier star like Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, or Brandon Roy.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I’m pretty sure the Rockets are going to try to make a move and trade some of these guys.  That’s my best bet.  It’s too much young talent to let go to waste.  We’re stacked with young talent at every position.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we make a move for Nene if he doesn’t sign with us in the offseason. 

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard are HUGE stretches but we were trying to get Chris Bosh in 09-10 and Carmelo in 10-11 so I would hope we atleast try to make that move.  Not to mention, we were in top 3 in the running for them and a serious option.

One of the three point guards will be gone, as well as Thabeet, T-Will OR Budinger, Hill, and probaby Luis Scola if they feel Motiejunas and Patterson are ready.

I’m hoping we try to sign Nene or Tyson Chandler in the offseason and try to trade for a 2nd-tier star like Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, or Brandon Roy.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I’m pretty sure the Rockets are going to try to make a move and trade some of these guys.  That’s my best bet.  It’s too much young talent to let go to waste.  We’re stacked with young talent at every position.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we make a move for Nene if he doesn’t sign with us in the offseason. 

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard are HUGE stretches but we were trying to get Chris Bosh in 09-10 and Carmelo in 10-11 so I would hope we atleast try to make that move.  Not to mention, we were in top 3 in the running for them and a serious option.

One of the three point guards will be gone, as well as Thabeet, T-Will OR Budinger, Hill, and probaby Luis Scola if they feel Motiejunas and Patterson are ready.

I’m hoping we try to sign Nene or Tyson Chandler in the offseason and try to trade for a 2nd-tier star like Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, or Brandon Roy.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Terrence Williams deserves nothing. He has been nothing but a bum since getting drafted. At best, he is someone who can’t shoot and sturggles to avoid turnovers. Factor in the fact that he has broken team rules and missed shootarounds just makes it easier to give up on him. It really is remarkable that Houston gave up a first round pick to get him.

Thabeet should have never been drafted as high as he was. Shot blockers from the NCAA and Europe are always overvalued in the draft. NBA defense is different. Guys actually have to leave the lane, move their feet, and operate in a real scheme. It is why the list of the top shot blockers to come out in recent years is also largely a bust list. If Houston wants to be patient with him, then fine. I see no value in it at that price.

Hill is just a big athlete. He doesn’t have the skill level or basketball IQ to be anything special, but his size and athleticism will keep him in the league.

Dragic has had one good month in his career. He didn’t build off it.

Lee is just a guy. He isn’t anything special. He’ll either be a solid backup or a starter a team feels like they should be able to do better than.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Terrence Williams deserves nothing. He has been nothing but a bum since getting drafted. At best, he is someone who can’t shoot and sturggles to avoid turnovers. Factor in the fact that he has broken team rules and missed shootarounds just makes it easier to give up on him. It really is remarkable that Houston gave up a first round pick to get him.

Thabeet should have never been drafted as high as he was. Shot blockers from the NCAA and Europe are always overvalued in the draft. NBA defense is different. Guys actually have to leave the lane, move their feet, and operate in a real scheme. It is why the list of the top shot blockers to come out in recent years is also largely a bust list. If Houston wants to be patient with him, then fine. I see no value in it at that price.

Hill is just a big athlete. He doesn’t have the skill level or basketball IQ to be anything special, but his size and athleticism will keep him in the league.

Dragic has had one good month in his career. He didn’t build off it.

Lee is just a guy. He isn’t anything special. He’ll either be a solid backup or a starter a team feels like they should be able to do better than.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Terrence Williams deserves nothing. He has been nothing but a bum since getting drafted. At best, he is someone who can’t shoot and sturggles to avoid turnovers. Factor in the fact that he has broken team rules and missed shootarounds just makes it easier to give up on him. It really is remarkable that Houston gave up a first round pick to get him.

Thabeet should have never been drafted as high as he was. Shot blockers from the NCAA and Europe are always overvalued in the draft. NBA defense is different. Guys actually have to leave the lane, move their feet, and operate in a real scheme. It is why the list of the top shot blockers to come out in recent years is also largely a bust list. If Houston wants to be patient with him, then fine. I see no value in it at that price.

Hill is just a big athlete. He doesn’t have the skill level or basketball IQ to be anything special, but his size and athleticism will keep him in the league.

Dragic has had one good month in his career. He didn’t build off it.

Lee is just a guy. He isn’t anything special. He’ll either be a solid backup or a starter a team feels like they should be able to do better than.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Odom,Shannon(resigned)1st for Martin,T-Will, and Hill would be nice IMO. Scola plays best when he’s a center who can outrun the opposing 5. Odom would be a terrific running mate at the four beside of luis.

Lowry/Flynn/Dragic

Lee/Shanwow

Chase/Morris

Odom/Patterson

Scola/Thabeet/Hayes

[iguapops420Participant]

 Odom,Shannon(resigned)1st for Martin,T-Will, and Hill would be nice IMO. Scola plays best when he’s a center who can outrun the opposing 5. Odom would be a terrific running mate at the four beside of luis.

Lowry/Flynn/Dragic

Lee/Shanwow

Chase/Morris

Odom/Patterson

Scola/Thabeet/Hayes

[iguapops420Participant]

 Odom,Shannon(resigned)1st for Martin,T-Will, and Hill would be nice IMO. Scola plays best when he’s a center who can outrun the opposing 5. Odom would be a terrific running mate at the four beside of luis.

Lowry/Flynn/Dragic

Lee/Shanwow

Chase/Morris

Odom/Patterson

Scola/Thabeet/Hayes

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

^

Let me get this straight.  A solid 2nd option on a good team (Kevin Martin) for two bench players?  One that is simply an electrifying athlete and another that is a soon-to-be 32 year old underachiever?

No.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

^

Let me get this straight.  A solid 2nd option on a good team (Kevin Martin) for two bench players?  One that is simply an electrifying athlete and another that is a soon-to-be 32 year old underachiever?

No.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

^

Let me get this straight.  A solid 2nd option on a good team (Kevin Martin) for two bench players?  One that is simply an electrifying athlete and another that is a soon-to-be 32 year old underachiever?

No.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Kevin Martin is mo better than a glorified bench player. Just because the guy averages 30 mts each game and can put up 20ppg doesn’t mean he’s a starter. Kevin Martin is a 6th man. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW, Odom was just 6MOY. He’s every bit more impactful than MArtin. You as a Houston fan must be smoking crack if you think Martin is a second opion on a good team just because he can put up points. For every point he gets, he misses a rebound, misses an open man, or blows a defensive assignment. Stop overratig Martin please. He’s a good 6th man off the bench in a Terry /Crawford role, but don’t kid yourself.

Not to mention, Houston clerly needs to start the rebuild and getting out of K-Martz terrible contract by gaininga guy who was just 6MOY, gets you 15-10-4 as a starter and is probably a top 10 player in terms of versatility while being  on an 8.2 million dollar contract with only 2 million of that guaranteed for the year following. BTW, there was a pick thrown in as well. 

But again, don’t overrate MArtin because he can score.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Kevin Martin is mo better than a glorified bench player. Just because the guy averages 30 mts each game and can put up 20ppg doesn’t mean he’s a starter. Kevin Martin is a 6th man. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW, Odom was just 6MOY. He’s every bit more impactful than MArtin. You as a Houston fan must be smoking crack if you think Martin is a second opion on a good team just because he can put up points. For every point he gets, he misses a rebound, misses an open man, or blows a defensive assignment. Stop overratig Martin please. He’s a good 6th man off the bench in a Terry /Crawford role, but don’t kid yourself.

Not to mention, Houston clerly needs to start the rebuild and getting out of K-Martz terrible contract by gaininga guy who was just 6MOY, gets you 15-10-4 as a starter and is probably a top 10 player in terms of versatility while being  on an 8.2 million dollar contract with only 2 million of that guaranteed for the year following. BTW, there was a pick thrown in as well. 

But again, don’t overrate MArtin because he can score.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Kevin Martin is mo better than a glorified bench player. Just because the guy averages 30 mts each game and can put up 20ppg doesn’t mean he’s a starter. Kevin Martin is a 6th man. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW, Odom was just 6MOY. He’s every bit more impactful than MArtin. You as a Houston fan must be smoking crack if you think Martin is a second opion on a good team just because he can put up points. For every point he gets, he misses a rebound, misses an open man, or blows a defensive assignment. Stop overratig Martin please. He’s a good 6th man off the bench in a Terry /Crawford role, but don’t kid yourself.

Not to mention, Houston clerly needs to start the rebuild and getting out of K-Martz terrible contract by gaininga guy who was just 6MOY, gets you 15-10-4 as a starter and is probably a top 10 player in terms of versatility while being  on an 8.2 million dollar contract with only 2 million of that guaranteed for the year following. BTW, there was a pick thrown in as well. 

But again, don’t overrate MArtin because he can score.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I wont give up on Terrance Williams so fast…Even though he has a terrible attitude and has been a disappoitment so far..He still could be successful ,if he was playing for a coach like Popovich…

I’m not sold on having Lowry as the starter….He played well last season,but his game is better suited for a backup role…I dont think Dragic is the answer as the starer either,playing in that Suns system made him look better than he is…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I wont give up on Terrance Williams so fast…Even though he has a terrible attitude and has been a disappoitment so far..He still could be successful ,if he was playing for a coach like Popovich…

I’m not sold on having Lowry as the starter….He played well last season,but his game is better suited for a backup role…I dont think Dragic is the answer as the starer either,playing in that Suns system made him look better than he is…

[bdiddy5115Participant]

I feel like our team is very misunderstood by the common fan, because we’ve been mediocre with a bunch of roster turnover in the past 2 years. Here’s my 2 cents:

PG

Lowry: People don’t realize how good he is. He has drastically improved his range, and now has a fairly complete game when you consider the fact that he’s one of the best defenders in the NBA at his position. He pushes the tempo, hustles, penetrates, rebounds, and leads. If you talk to the intelligent Rockets fans, they’ll tell you he is our best player.

Dragic: It pains me to see him getting limited time here. That being said, Lowry deserves the minutes at the moment, so he needs his shot elsewhere.

Flynn: Like Dragic, I was a big fan of his before he was acquired. But everyone seems to have given up on him due to his injury plagued year. This isn’t the place for him to get his shot, unfortunately.

SG

Martin: The man has the rare combination of range and ability to get to the line. That being said, his defensive effort (if you want to call it that) makes me want to castrate myself. He’s great at what he does – scoring. If he gets on a team where his shortcomings are hidden (say, Chicago), he could be a great part of a top team. But here they’re on full display.

Lee: Has the ability to be a solid starter, somewhere. Has the tendency to play out of control due to his court speed, but brings many intangibles that would be valued elsewhere (on-ball D, solid range, energy on both ends).

SF

Budinger: Like Martin, it pains me – a lot – to see him on defense. Both of them on the court is equivalent to rolling out a red carpet into the paint for opposing wings. He can run, jump and shoot, but his inconsistency and lack of D make me feel that he’s overrated as a player.

T.Williams: Yet another guy I was stoked about acquiring, but am currently pessimistic about his future. To watch him is to watch a guy with rare talent, but he’s so immature that I actually think he may have some behavioral disorder. I really want to see him succeed, but I have my doubts. Although his sitution under Adelman wasn’t favorable, his attitude was what really held him back.

PF

Scola: He’s the only guy on our roster that isn’t a good defender that I really find myself rooting for. His hustle and passion, mixed with his craftiness/quirky skill override his physical limitations. That being said, our sheer number of PFs makes me think that he may be out the door soon.

Patterson: I wasn’t a fan of picking him in 2010, but he sold me last year with his mature game and his deceptive athleticism. Seems like the logical pick for our PF of the future.

Hill: How many wasted potential guys do we have?! Hill showed some great flashes late in his rookie year – where his explosiveness + occasional nastiness made me overly optimistic about his future. Unfortunately, he seems to go in and out of consciousness, depending on the game. I still think he could grow, but it would have to be more mental than anything.

M.Morris: Don’t even get me started on how angry I was about this pick. I’m in the camp of those who don’t believe he can play SF in the NBA, which would make him our 4th PF (woohoo!). It’s not that I hate him as a player, I just hate the fit here.

Motiejunas: Like his skills, but not his mentality (deja vu much?). He won’t play in a long while, so I’m not writing him off. Speaking of, we sure do have a clusterf*** at this position, don’t we?

C

Hayes: Lets just say I wasn’t a fan of having an unathletic 6-6 guy without any offense in the middle, but I started to appreciate him much more last year. Truly a unique player who fulfills a niche – but that should be off the bench.

Thabeet: I have little hope about him ever growing as a player. Simply lacks the fire necessary to improve his game – and there’s a lot of improving he’d need to do.

 

 

[bdiddy5115Participant]

I feel like our team is very misunderstood by the common fan, because we’ve been mediocre with a bunch of roster turnover in the past 2 years. Here’s my 2 cents:

PG

Lowry: People don’t realize how good he is. He has drastically improved his range, and now has a fairly complete game when you consider the fact that he’s one of the best defenders in the NBA at his position. He pushes the tempo, hustles, penetrates, rebounds, and leads. If you talk to the intelligent Rockets fans, they’ll tell you he is our best player.

Dragic: It pains me to see him getting limited time here. That being said, Lowry deserves the minutes at the moment, so he needs his shot elsewhere.

Flynn: Like Dragic, I was a big fan of his before he was acquired. But everyone seems to have given up on him due to his injury plagued year. This isn’t the place for him to get his shot, unfortunately.

SG

Martin: The man has the rare combination of range and ability to get to the line. That being said, his defensive effort (if you want to call it that) makes me want to castrate myself. He’s great at what he does – scoring. If he gets on a team where his shortcomings are hidden (say, Chicago), he could be a great part of a top team. But here they’re on full display.

Lee: Has the ability to be a solid starter, somewhere. Has the tendency to play out of control due to his court speed, but brings many intangibles that would be valued elsewhere (on-ball D, solid range, energy on both ends).

SF

Budinger: Like Martin, it pains me – a lot – to see him on defense. Both of them on the court is equivalent to rolling out a red carpet into the paint for opposing wings. He can run, jump and shoot, but his inconsistency and lack of D make me feel that he’s overrated as a player.

T.Williams: Yet another guy I was stoked about acquiring, but am currently pessimistic about his future. To watch him is to watch a guy with rare talent, but he’s so immature that I actually think he may have some behavioral disorder. I really want to see him succeed, but I have my doubts. Although his sitution under Adelman wasn’t favorable, his attitude was what really held him back.

PF

Scola: He’s the only guy on our roster that isn’t a good defender that I really find myself rooting for. His hustle and passion, mixed with his craftiness/quirky skill override his physical limitations. That being said, our sheer number of PFs makes me think that he may be out the door soon.

Patterson: I wasn’t a fan of picking him in 2010, but he sold me last year with his mature game and his deceptive athleticism. Seems like the logical pick for our PF of the future.

Hill: How many wasted potential guys do we have?! Hill showed some great flashes late in his rookie year – where his explosiveness + occasional nastiness made me overly optimistic about his future. Unfortunately, he seems to go in and out of consciousness, depending on the game. I still think he could grow, but it would have to be more mental than anything.

M.Morris: Don’t even get me started on how angry I was about this pick. I’m in the camp of those who don’t believe he can play SF in the NBA, which would make him our 4th PF (woohoo!). It’s not that I hate him as a player, I just hate the fit here.

Motiejunas: Like his skills, but not his mentality (deja vu much?). He won’t play in a long while, so I’m not writing him off. Speaking of, we sure do have a clusterf*** at this position, don’t we?

C

Hayes: Lets just say I wasn’t a fan of having an unathletic 6-6 guy without any offense in the middle, but I started to appreciate him much more last year. Truly a unique player who fulfills a niche – but that should be off the bench.

Thabeet: I have little hope about him ever growing as a player. Simply lacks the fire necessary to improve his game – and there’s a lot of improving he’d need to do.

 

 

[bdiddy5115Participant]

I feel like our team is very misunderstood by the common fan, because we’ve been mediocre with a bunch of roster turnover in the past 2 years. Here’s my 2 cents:

PG

Lowry: People don’t realize how good he is. He has drastically improved his range, and now has a fairly complete game when you consider the fact that he’s one of the best defenders in the NBA at his position. He pushes the tempo, hustles, penetrates, rebounds, and leads. If you talk to the intelligent Rockets fans, they’ll tell you he is our best player.

Dragic: It pains me to see him getting limited time here. That being said, Lowry deserves the minutes at the moment, so he needs his shot elsewhere.

Flynn: Like Dragic, I was a big fan of his before he was acquired. But everyone seems to have given up on him due to his injury plagued year. This isn’t the place for him to get his shot, unfortunately.

SG

Martin: The man has the rare combination of range and ability to get to the line. That being said, his defensive effort (if you want to call it that) makes me want to castrate myself. He’s great at what he does – scoring. If he gets on a team where his shortcomings are hidden (say, Chicago), he could be a great part of a top team. But here they’re on full display.

Lee: Has the ability to be a solid starter, somewhere. Has the tendency to play out of control due to his court speed, but brings many intangibles that would be valued elsewhere (on-ball D, solid range, energy on both ends).

SF

Budinger: Like Martin, it pains me – a lot – to see him on defense. Both of them on the court is equivalent to rolling out a red carpet into the paint for opposing wings. He can run, jump and shoot, but his inconsistency and lack of D make me feel that he’s overrated as a player.

T.Williams: Yet another guy I was stoked about acquiring, but am currently pessimistic about his future. To watch him is to watch a guy with rare talent, but he’s so immature that I actually think he may have some behavioral disorder. I really want to see him succeed, but I have my doubts. Although his sitution under Adelman wasn’t favorable, his attitude was what really held him back.

PF

Scola: He’s the only guy on our roster that isn’t a good defender that I really find myself rooting for. His hustle and passion, mixed with his craftiness/quirky skill override his physical limitations. That being said, our sheer number of PFs makes me think that he may be out the door soon.

Patterson: I wasn’t a fan of picking him in 2010, but he sold me last year with his mature game and his deceptive athleticism. Seems like the logical pick for our PF of the future.

Hill: How many wasted potential guys do we have?! Hill showed some great flashes late in his rookie year – where his explosiveness + occasional nastiness made me overly optimistic about his future. Unfortunately, he seems to go in and out of consciousness, depending on the game. I still think he could grow, but it would have to be more mental than anything.

M.Morris: Don’t even get me started on how angry I was about this pick. I’m in the camp of those who don’t believe he can play SF in the NBA, which would make him our 4th PF (woohoo!). It’s not that I hate him as a player, I just hate the fit here.

Motiejunas: Like his skills, but not his mentality (deja vu much?). He won’t play in a long while, so I’m not writing him off. Speaking of, we sure do have a clusterf*** at this position, don’t we?

C

Hayes: Lets just say I wasn’t a fan of having an unathletic 6-6 guy without any offense in the middle, but I started to appreciate him much more last year. Truly a unique player who fulfills a niche – but that should be off the bench.

Thabeet: I have little hope about him ever growing as a player. Simply lacks the fire necessary to improve his game – and there’s a lot of improving he’d need to do.

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I wont give up on Terrance Williams so fast…Even though he has a terrible attitude and has been a disappoitment so far..He still could be successful ,if he was playing for a coach like Popovich…

I’m not sold on having Lowry as the starter….He played well last season,but his game is better suited for a backup role…I dont think Dragic is the answer as the starer either,playing in that Suns system made him look better than he is…

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