Has anyone fallen faster than Kendall Marshall?

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Posted on: Sat, 10/26/2013 - 8:07pm #52426

drk3351
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Just LAST year this guy was picked 13th overall.
He played 3rd string PG and in the D-League
Played backup PG because the Suns wanted to give their young players minutes and Sebastian Telfair was traded to the Raptors for a 2nd round pick.
Traded as a filler with as much value as Malcolm Lee to the Wizards.
Cut by the Wizards on the same day.
Wow, what a bust off the bat. Here is my trade grades for the whole deal as well:
http://lockdownsports.com/2013/10/26/trade-grade-wizards-deal-for-gortat/
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Posted on: Sat, 10/26/2013 - 8:34pm #845574

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Johnny Flynn and Wesley Johnson
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- Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 12:07am #845596
  
  Choppy
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  Jonny Flynn’s one average season still puts him waaay ahead of Marshall.
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- Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 12:07am #845707
  
  Choppy
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  Jonny Flynn’s one average season still puts him waaay ahead of Marshall.
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- Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 1:57am #845604
  
  TomShoe
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  Not surprised that Marshall flamed out so quickly.
  When he was at North Carolina, we were all very high on him because we saw the way that Harrison Barnes struggled to score when Marshall was running the offense.
  Only thing is, that masked the fact that he was only a C athlete and couldn’t shoot. To have a long career as at least a back up PG in the NBA, you have to do either one of those things well, or do both on an average level.
  Having neither means that his defender could block his lanes because he wasn’t going to blow by them, as well as cheat onto his big men because he wasn’t going to make them pay from distance. These factors killed much of his play-making ability. This wasn’t as big of a deal in college because they guys they faced weren’t athletic enough. It just seems like Marshall doesn’t have at least one bankable skill that can keep him in the league, and the one he does have is being crimped all the time.
  Derek Fisher, Eddie House, James Jones, despite all being C athletes, all those guys have had long careers because they can at least shoot the rock from deep. If Marshall could drop 40% from 3, he’d still be in the league. But right now it’s not looking good.
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  - Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 7:53am #845888
    
    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I think Andre Miller disagrees
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  - Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 7:53am #845779
    
    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I think Andre Miller disagrees
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- Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 1:57am #845715
  
  TomShoe
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  Not surprised that Marshall flamed out so quickly.
  When he was at North Carolina, we were all very high on him because we saw the way that Harrison Barnes struggled to score when Marshall was running the offense.
  Only thing is, that masked the fact that he was only a C athlete and couldn’t shoot. To have a long career as at least a back up PG in the NBA, you have to do either one of those things well, or do both on an average level.
  Having neither means that his defender could block his lanes because he wasn’t going to blow by them, as well as cheat onto his big men because he wasn’t going to make them pay from distance. These factors killed much of his play-making ability. This wasn’t as big of a deal in college because they guys they faced weren’t athletic enough. It just seems like Marshall doesn’t have at least one bankable skill that can keep him in the league, and the one he does have is being crimped all the time.
  Derek Fisher, Eddie House, James Jones, despite all being C athletes, all those guys have had long careers because they can at least shoot the rock from deep. If Marshall could drop 40% from 3, he’d still be in the league. But right now it’s not looking good.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/26/2013 - 8:34pm #845684

torontoraptors10
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Johnny Flynn and Wesley Johnson
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Posted on: Sat, 10/26/2013 - 9:11pm #845582

JordanC20
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Royce White definitely ain’t flyin’ (if you catch my drift)
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Posted on: Sat, 10/26/2013 - 9:11pm #845693

JordanC20
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Royce White definitely ain’t flyin’ (if you catch my drift)
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 1:20am #845602

Jester87
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Joe Alexander was out of the league after his second year. Also Araujo, Saer Sene, Luke Jackson, Acie Law, Patrick O’Bryant, so many lottery picks that turned out to be busts immediately.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 1:20am #845713

Jester87
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Joe Alexander was out of the league after his second year. Also Araujo, Saer Sene, Luke Jackson, Acie Law, Patrick O’Bryant, so many lottery picks that turned out to be busts immediately.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 4:51am #845632

MagikKnick
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Yeah, it happens more often than we would like to think
But Marshall is a great backup PG, i can’t see him being unemployed for long..i just hope his confidence isnt fxcked up..
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 4:51am #845742

MagikKnick
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Yeah, it happens more often than we would like to think
But Marshall is a great backup PG, i can’t see him being unemployed for long..i just hope his confidence isnt fxcked up..
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:04am #845636

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Point Guard is the hardest position to play and make it in the NBA. there is so much competition. I don’t see him ever doing anything in the NBA because he can’t defend, he can’t shoot, and he isn’t a NBA athlete. He can pass and make plays for others and that will help him in europe which is where his game is more suited to, if he can add a 35% 3 point shot, he will have a long and pretty successful career over there.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:04am #845746

phila9012
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Point Guard is the hardest position to play and make it in the NBA. there is so much competition. I don’t see him ever doing anything in the NBA because he can’t defend, he can’t shoot, and he isn’t a NBA athlete. He can pass and make plays for others and that will help him in europe which is where his game is more suited to, if he can add a 35% 3 point shot, he will have a long and pretty successful career over there.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:24am #845638

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Kendall should’ve never left Carolina after his sophomore year.. Too many questions regarding his athleticism and jumper. I am surprised he has fall so quickly. With his passing ability, I was sure he would stick with at least one NBA team. Seems like he is destined for a career over in Europe.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:24am #845748

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Kendall should’ve never left Carolina after his sophomore year.. Too many questions regarding his athleticism and jumper. I am surprised he has fall so quickly. With his passing ability, I was sure he would stick with at least one NBA team. Seems like he is destined for a career over in Europe.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:35am #845644

Malcolmx
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When you get Waived does the team still pay you the rest of the money on your deal? Sorry if the question seems stupid to anyone.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:35am #845754

Malcolmx
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When you get Waived does the team still pay you the rest of the money on your deal? Sorry if the question seems stupid to anyone.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:54am #845648

Hitster
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If they are waived, they have to have their contract paid up I assume but if years 3 and 4 weren’t picked up on his contract then Washington only have to meet the rest of this season’s deal.
Being waived is a bit different to a buy out I always assumed, a buy out could be mutually agreed and is often when a veteran player is part of a trade and may go to a lottery team but the team may not want to keep the player and the player may want to get back to a contender. The player may have a move lined up and if a trade cannot be made will request a release and his team will agree to this to save money. The player may only be able to take a veteran’s minimum deal so if he had say $2 million left on his deal then the team could offer him $1 million buyout. That way the player will not lose out but the team still saves $1 million overall.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 5:54am #845758

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If they are waived, they have to have their contract paid up I assume but if years 3 and 4 weren’t picked up on his contract then Washington only have to meet the rest of this season’s deal.
Being waived is a bit different to a buy out I always assumed, a buy out could be mutually agreed and is often when a veteran player is part of a trade and may go to a lottery team but the team may not want to keep the player and the player may want to get back to a contender. The player may have a move lined up and if a trade cannot be made will request a release and his team will agree to this to save money. The player may only be able to take a veteran’s minimum deal so if he had say $2 million left on his deal then the team could offer him $1 million buyout. That way the player will not lose out but the team still saves $1 million overall.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 12:55pm #845689

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Marshall should go overseas and then try to come back to the NBA, he needs more experience to cover his weaknesses. I still believe with his passing and size, he can make a decent backup.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 12:55pm #845798

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Marshall should go overseas and then try to come back to the NBA, he needs more experience to cover his weaknesses. I still believe with his passing and size, he can make a decent backup.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 3:34pm #845698

44ears81
Marshall should go overseas and then try to come back to the NBA, he needs more experience to cover his weaknesses. I still believe with his passing and size, he can make a decent backup.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/27/2013 - 3:34pm #845808

44ears81
Marshall should go overseas and then try to come back to the NBA, he needs more experience to cover his weaknesses. I still believe with his passing and size, he can make a decent backup.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 3:44am #845862

JoeWolf1
Marshall was a player who was very ready to make the jump from HS to NCAA play and struck while the iron was hot, and Pheonix drafted him too high. He still had a lot of holes in his game, but was able to hide his shot, in part, because he hardly shot anything outside of a layup. Still, if he had stayed, he’d be entering his senior season and I don’t think he’s ready to play in the NBA this season, I think a team would be wise to pick him up for cheap and play him in the D-League most of this year.
He can run an offense, and takes care of the ball and could be a third point guard for someone and maybe a 2nd point guard depending how he develops this season and next. No, not the player Pheonix thought they were getting at 13, but I don’t think his NBA career is dead quite yet…I still think he can rebound and be a quality reserve, but yeah, it’s looking like he’s in the bust zone due to his high pick and limited potential.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 3:44am #845753

JoeWolf1
Marshall was a player who was very ready to make the jump from HS to NCAA play and struck while the iron was hot, and Pheonix drafted him too high. He still had a lot of holes in his game, but was able to hide his shot, in part, because he hardly shot anything outside of a layup. Still, if he had stayed, he’d be entering his senior season and I don’t think he’s ready to play in the NBA this season, I think a team would be wise to pick him up for cheap and play him in the D-League most of this year.
He can run an offense, and takes care of the ball and could be a third point guard for someone and maybe a 2nd point guard depending how he develops this season and next. No, not the player Pheonix thought they were getting at 13, but I don’t think his NBA career is dead quite yet…I still think he can rebound and be a quality reserve, but yeah, it’s looking like he’s in the bust zone due to his high pick and limited potential.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 7:24am #845886

samosas
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When someone’s career seems to go down the tubes like this people like to play up the fact that ‘oh, he didn’t need to leave early, that hurt him’. Well, if playing with the best players in the world isn’t making you better then you probably were never good enough to play in the NBA in the first place and if you get a chance to go, do it. Why sit around all four years and let people discover you can’t ball? Leave early, get at least one contract in the league and then go about your merry way. I’m sure Marshall was advised (or he himself knew) get in there while you can, because when you play on a team that’s not full of stars you’re flaws will be magnified.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 7:24am #845777

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When someone’s career seems to go down the tubes like this people like to play up the fact that ‘oh, he didn’t need to leave early, that hurt him’. Well, if playing with the best players in the world isn’t making you better then you probably were never good enough to play in the NBA in the first place and if you get a chance to go, do it. Why sit around all four years and let people discover you can’t ball? Leave early, get at least one contract in the league and then go about your merry way. I’m sure Marshall was advised (or he himself knew) get in there while you can, because when you play on a team that’s not full of stars you’re flaws will be magnified.
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- Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:48am #845900
  
  gopack10
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  While I understand your point to a certain degree, it really isn’t the same comparison. Just because he was playing in the NBA with the best players in the world, that doesn’t mean he was given the opportunity to develop. College players have more practice time throughout the season and can get more one-on-one attention with developing certain aspects of their game. Not to mention that he wasn’t really getting as much in game action as he would have if he stayed at UNC for another year or two.
  I believe it does hurt players to leave early. That’s not to say that I wouldn’t advise them to “strike while the iron is hot” since a first round pick gets a guaranteed two year deal and in most cases the player at minimum gets that third year picked up as well.
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- Posted on: Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:48am #845791
  
  gopack10
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  While I understand your point to a certain degree, it really isn’t the same comparison. Just because he was playing in the NBA with the best players in the world, that doesn’t mean he was given the opportunity to develop. College players have more practice time throughout the season and can get more one-on-one attention with developing certain aspects of their game. Not to mention that he wasn’t really getting as much in game action as he would have if he stayed at UNC for another year or two.
  I believe it does hurt players to leave early. That’s not to say that I wouldn’t advise them to “strike while the iron is hot” since a first round pick gets a guaranteed two year deal and in most cases the player at minimum gets that third year picked up as well.
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