[dudo670Participant]

After watching Duke last Friday and Saturday nights, he’s the most talented, highest upside player in the draft. Giles showed some flashes of being able to take over a game and dominate in a way that no one else in this draft class has shown. Given the injury concerns, he’s not going to go 1. However, I wouldn’t let him slip past the 5th or 6th pick because I think once you get past there, the potential of the players greatly decreases.

[D7H7NParticipant]

 three ACL knee surgeries 

now imagine those knees playing 70-82 games a year

 

 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 Wrong. He had 2 acl surgeries. 

[D7H7NParticipant]

 Tore his ACL and MCL in one knee prior to his sophomore year, tore the ACL in this knee again at Duke last year in October. Tore the ACL in the other knee his senior year in HS. That’s three surgeries to his knees.

 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 why re-post another incorrect statement to back up your first incorrect statement? He had an ACL/MCL tear after his freshman year in 9th grade. He tore his other ACL only his first game of senior year at oak hill. He had a knee arthroscopy in the beginning of october in 2016 that was only a 6 week recovery. Two ACL tears, not three bro.

[negguaryParticipant]

 Did you watch the same game as me? He missed a wide open dunk and then fouled the opposing player. Outside of an alley opp and a few good rebounds what did he do to flash so much potential? And this is coming from someone who would like see him reach his potential! 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Seems like an ideal target for the 76ers.

[negguaryParticipant]

he would be the best player on the lakers

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I can’t wait for next year man.  We’ll be fighting for playoffs.  Lakers gonna be complaining about not having their first round pick.  

Michael Porter, welcome to Philadelphia, courtesy of Los Angeles, in a trade for Michael Carter Williams, also, we’re playing Cleveland in the first round of the Playoffs.  

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I can’t wait for next year man.  We’ll be fighting for playoffs.  Lakers gonna be complaining about not having their first round pick.  

Michael Porter, welcome to Philadelphia, courtesy of Los Angeles, in a trade for Michael Carter Williams, also, we’re playing Cleveland in the first round of the Playoffs.  

  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Seriously??  Harry Giles plays well for 2 games for 10 and 15 minutes respectively and suddenly he’s the most talented highest upsided player in the draft?  He hadn’t played organized competitve basketball for like 2 years.  I really feel for the guy because before his injuries, he was an absolute beast and as a Carolina fan I really wanted him in Chapel Hill.  We didn’t see the real Harry Giles all season and I think I posted somewhere earlier that I didn’t think we’d see the elite Harry Giles the number 1 player in the class of 2016 until he got to the NBA.  He’s obviously a risk because we don’t know if his knee injuries sapped him of his elite athleticism ala Derrick Rose or if he can ever get it back.  He’s a risk worth taking because his upside is insane.  Teams will have to be patient with him because it’ll be a long road back to the player he was before his injuries.  If he can get close to that player then watch out.  

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 He is a huge risk. If I would him I would think about staying another year. He can get gurenteed money but he isnt the same. He was a monster in HS but now he looks like a regular player. It really is sad but I hope him the best 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Whenever coaches underplay would-be stars, I assume they just want them to stay for the next year. Especially when they don’t NEED them  for the current year (Giles). In highlights, you just see dunks, some drives, rebounds, defense, and some explosiveness. But no back to the basket game or solid jumper. Yet, when I watch the game live, he looks ready to go off at any time. I have nothing to quantify this, but it’s hard to take your eyes off him when he on the court (not a good measure either). I think he’s a little coaching away from being a terror on defense and dominant on the boards. His shot form isn’t bad and I expect it to come around. 

He needs another year, but I think someone takes a chance early this year anyway. 

[dudo670Participant]

honestly 75% of this board probably doesn’t know the game. They don’t see production in the box score so they assume he sucks. When you watch the game live, he looks like he has a ton of potential to dominate inside. And when you look down the board past the top 5 or 6, no one really has all star potential let alone superstar potential, so why not take a chance even if he gets hurt like Embiid?

[hfda323Participant]

Maybe it’s because I’m a Lakers fan and we just don’t have many rivals at the moment. The spurs are just too classy and consistent of an organization to hate. The Celtics are a fun team to watch and Stevens is a great coach. The Knicks aren’t relevant enough to hate, etc.

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 he scored like 4 points, what exacly he show to you other that he can be a great finisher in the paint and solid defender and rebounder a la clint capela?

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I wouldnt even draft him ahead of Motley at this point. Until he proves he can play a proper rotation without getting in foul trouble what has he proven? He also needs to play a full season schedule without getting injured I do not trust them knees for 82 games Ill let somebody else draft him.

 Not only that but he has not shown the abillity to defend the perimeter, defend bigs,scorer from the perimeter or a consistent post game. Dukes perimeter play freezes him out but we have seen Amile Jefferson apply himself in the post. The worst part for me is he is shooting 50%FT and is extremely foul prone averaging 7 fouls per 36 minutes. Averaging 4 fouls per block. 

Giles has a nose for the ball and good instincts but he has only proven to be an active faceup/rim runner, that can get you extra possessions and bring energy. 

At this point he has shown he can fill a role similar to Willie Reeds. Does he have more upside? Of course. But NBA teams have been drafting on productivity lately and with obvious knee concerns I would stay clear of him. Sucks because hes a good kid I hate to be harsh but I mean it is what it is. 

 

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 He beat UNC by himself down the stretch when it looked like Duke was in trouble after Jefferson got his 4th foul. This is why I have Duke making the final 4. Being able to bring in Allen and Giles as your 6th and 7th man is huge.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Cmon. UNC lost because Berry got his 4th foul on a phantom call. UNC stopped feeding the post and Jackson seemed content with taking long contested jumpshots. Hicks and Meeks were getting easy buckets on Giles and exposed his post defence in that game. People seem to forget or ignore that. Giles got extra possessions on missed long 3 pointers because UNCs defence was out of whack trying to gaurd all of the 3 loint shooters Duke has. Allen got hot and Tatum was dynamite. 

He didnt singlehandedly win that game. As a matter of fact Dukes post defence wad the only reason they were ever behimd in that game. 

 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 Wait…so was it Berry getting his 4th foul that or dukes lack of post defense? haha

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Go watch the last 4 minutes Giles was big time on both sides of the court!!!

[dudo670Participant]

is to caught up in matching college numbers with scout rankings and then saying "bam this guy is good because he’s ranked high and has good stats." What I’m saying is that from an athletic standpoint, and considering he’s a big guy with stretch four potential, I think he’s got the most upside. He was ranked #1 before injuries for some reason. 

[Afactor4Participant]

Full Disclosure: Duke alum and fan. 

A GM would get fired real quick for selecting him so early. To be honest, I saw more of what your describing out of Skal Labissiere last year and he got picked in the late first round (which even then I thought might have been too high).

Signs of taking over? Cmon man, he had a 1 minute stretch in the UNC game where he blocked a shot, got thrown an alleyoop, and stole the ball on the next defensive possession and that was probably his best 1 minute of basketball all season. Typically those 1 minute stretches resemeble more of what we saw against ND: Dropped the ball, loses his man on a pick and fouls the guy while recovering for the and-1. There’s definitely potential, but historically, raw, athletic big guys in his spot that have performed as poorly tend to go into freefall on draft night. 

If it weren’t for his status as the #1 recruit, Chase Jeter would be the guy relieving Amile Jefferson of some minutes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Untouchable JParticipant]

 Dude he’s terrible. I said that from JUMP when I saw his ‘highlights ‘ post surgery in HS. It’s like everyone is living off his 10th or 11thbgrade highlights . That player was lithe, agile. That player is not coming back. He’s now stiff and just another big body 

And what makes it worse is he went to Duke where Coach K has NO PROBLEM with convincing former McDonald’s all Americans that ‘team ball’ and a career in coaching at age 25 is admirable lol I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Giles turns into Amile Jefferson or Lance Thomas: HS All Americans who become role players. Don’t be surprised of Gilea ends up being a 4 year guy 

 

wj

[binetParticipant]

 I am in the camp that believe in him, his talent and see his flashes of dominance. It’s interesting that his impact on Duke is easily measurable with advanced stats (best DRtg at 96.3, better Ortg than Grayson Allen or Jason Tatum at 116.9 , he is only respectable in BPM but this stat takes minutes into account). Visually he seems clearly not in his best shape nor confidence level, quite the opposite actually, yet good enough to impact very well the game and arguably more than any non-2017prospect player at Duke (players outside of Allen, Kennard, Tatum). You have to believe there is a chance he clicks mentally and get into some confidence level with his knees that will bring him top 5 prospect status. He is also extremely young born in April 1998. 

The injury concerns and other questions makes him only a latte lottery pick imo at best though, given you could have an argument that De’Aaron Fox becoming a knock down shooter is probably as likely as him reaching his potential, and the outcome is probably similar value(or more?) while Fox can help your team even without becoming an outstanding shooter. This draft is so deep that Fox sometimes fall out of the top 10 in mocks for fear he never learns how to shoot it, and I would agree most of the guys among the consensus top 8 to 10 guys have high enough ceilings that you don’t take a risk at Giles above them.

After that I probably think he is worth the bet, particularly given some mocks are putting even tougher bets like Terrance Ferguson or some tweener low ceiling bigs like Robert Williams right there. While a case could be make to take them depending on the team, I believe a team should draft on upside with picks like that and Harry Giles would be a good pick in the 10-16 range. Mocks that have him lower than that are already betting on more issues with his knees when teams will know more about his medical status I suppose.

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 I am in the camp that believe in him, his talent and see his flashes of dominance. It’s interesting that his impact on Duke is easily measurable with advanced stats (best DRtg at 96.3, better Ortg than Grayson Allen or Jason Tatum at 116.9 , he is only respectable in BPM but this stat takes minutes into account). Visually he seems clearly not in his best shape nor confidence level, quite the opposite actually, yet good enough to impact very well the game and arguably more than any non-2017prospect player at Duke (players outside of Allen, Kennard, Tatum). You have to believe there is a chance he clicks mentally and get into some confidence level with his knees that will bring him top 5 prospect status. He is also extremely young born in April 1998. 

The injury concerns and other questions makes him only a latte lottery pick imo at best though, given you could have an argument that De’Aaron Fox becoming a knock down shooter is probably as likely as him reaching his potential, and the outcome is probably similar value(or more?) while Fox can help your team even without becoming an outstanding shooter. This draft is so deep that Fox sometimes fall out of the top 10 in mocks for fear he never learns how to shoot it, and I would agree most of the guys among the consensus top 8 to 10 guys have high enough ceilings that you don’t take a risk at Giles above them.

After that I probably think he is worth the bet, particularly given some mocks are putting even tougher bets like Terrance Ferguson or some tweener low ceiling bigs like Robert Williams right there. While a case could be make to take them depending on the team, I believe a team should draft on upside with picks like that and Harry Giles would be a good pick in the 10-16 range. Mocks that have him lower than that are already betting on more issues with his knees when teams will know more about his medical status I suppose.

 

 

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

 I just read an ESPN article about those glimpses in the ACC tournament where it looked as if Harry Giles is putting himself back together, so many the OP is on to something here. I’ll be watching closely in the tournament so hopefully Duke makes a final four run

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 If Giles had all this upside, he’d play more than 8 minutes a game. Whatever player he was, he’s not that guy now. Who knows if he might get there but it doesn’t take a super nuanced basketball mind to see that Giles is just a guy out there. No matter how hard you look, you won’t see anything else there with him. 

[binetParticipant]

 Have you ever been injured or had a guy in your team coming back from a major injury?

It’s only been like 3 months since he’s been cleared to play, that’s very little time and justifies about any minute restrictions, either in order to preserve his health by not asking him to force too much, either because of conditionning issues and time to adjust to the pace, either because integrating him to the team, to the system and all would take too much time and might be unfair to the good soldier replacement player you have (in his case, Jefferson) who maybe can produce close to as much without disturbing your team building (argument relevant with Duke "struggling" more than their standard this year).

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

I agree with TGM, stay in school and get yourself a degree.  He might drop out of the lottery, but he will have a better chance in the NBA being fully healthy.  

  I give a guy like Ivan Rabb a lot of credit, he knew he wasn’t ready and decided to bet on himself in college.  Maybe he goes first round one day, maybe he gets nothing but an education.  Flaming out of the NBA after one year of college does no one any good.

[binetParticipant]

 Ivan Raab is going to end up in the secound round at best and flame out after one year without guaranteed money at this rate… I would not think his choice is a good advice. Ivan Raab pretty much declined in every statistical category without adding anything to his game (going from .603 TS% to .547, 8.7 BPM to 6.7). His rebounding is better but far from stellar. His progression is nowhere close to Swanigan’s and other returning same profile players.

In the case of Giles, the sooner he gets to the NBA the better. If he gets drafted lower than best case scenario returning that might serve himself and his career by being nursed playing behind great veteran 4/5s to mentor him whiles he still needs to get confidence in his knees and reajust to the game. If the best case scenario does not happen if he returns, that probably means no NBA at all. Declaring is a no brainer for him imo.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Well Im still hoping he puts it all together. He defenitely has the talent but can he get back his confidence and start playing smart basketball. I predicted he would break out around this time earlier in the year but have yet to see it. 

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