[XavierAllTheWayParticipant]

 With green out, he needed to show that he is worth a max contract.  Instead he played a horrible game offensively and defensively.  I think he got abused by every single players from Cleveland….even Richard Jefferson.. Smh.   I read a report that warriors will match any contract offer for him. Why??? His ceiling, if lucky is Marvin Williams.  Hoping Celtics stay away from him!

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

Warriors management playing mind games with other west teams. They say they match. The jazz or Blazers lock up top money on a average NBA player. Solid strategy.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

Warriors management playing mind games with other west teams. They say they match. The jazz or Blazers lock up top money on a average NBA player. Solid strategy.

[Hype Machine]

He gets close to the max regardless.

Considering every team is going to have cap space…and theres only a finite number of available players that are actually better than Barnes…

Everyone on this forum are cheapskates when theres money to spend! No one ever wants to spend here…theyd rather give players away in trades! 

You dont need to give anything away to get a good player! Your wallet is full of cash!

 

It seems to me that the choices are:

Best: Spend the money on a player better than Barnes 

Good: Spend the money on Barnes

Bad: Dont spend the money and have a weaker team

Worst: Spend the money on players worse than Barnes

If your team legitimately cant get a better free agent and can afford Barnes…just pay the man. 

The caps going up so fast that his contract is hardly going to be a franchise crippler.

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

He gets close to the max regardless.

Considering every team is going to have cap space…and theres only a finite number of available players that are actually better than Barnes…

Everyone on this forum are cheapskates when theres money to spend! No one ever wants to spend here…theyd rather give players away in trades! 

You dont need to give anything away to get a good player! Your wallet is full of cash!

 

It seems to me that the choices are:

Best: Spend the money on a player better than Barnes 

Good: Spend the money on Barnes

Bad: Dont spend the money and have a weaker team

Worst: Spend the money on players worse than Barnes

If your team legitimately cant get a better free agent and can afford Barnes…just pay the man. 

The caps going up so fast that his contract is hardly going to be a franchise crippler.

 

 

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

Hey go ahead and spend max dollars on Harrison Barnes. Not every team can win ships. You surely won’t giving Harrison Barnes max money. 

As a GM that just gave Barnes the max..please show me how you win a ship? 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

Hey go ahead and spend max dollars on Harrison Barnes. Not every team can win ships. You surely won’t giving Harrison Barnes max money. 

As a GM that just gave Barnes the max..please show me how you win a ship? 

[Hype Machine]

You dont have to look further than the team hes already on. 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

You dont have to look further than the team hes already on. 

 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

Thumbs up!

[negguaryParticipant]

Thumbs up!

[doubledribblerParticipant]

 You do know there is a HUGE difference between Barnes being a bit player on a rookie contract and on a max contract as your best or 2nd best guy? It also helps that Curry is making half of what other star players make and Green and Thompson both took less than the max. It makes it a lot easier to build a team when most of your team is underpaid and fairly young.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

 You do know there is a HUGE difference between Barnes being a bit player on a rookie contract and on a max contract as your best or 2nd best guy? It also helps that Curry is making half of what other star players make and Green and Thompson both took less than the max. It makes it a lot easier to build a team when most of your team is underpaid and fairly young.

[Untouchable JParticipant]

You actually just saw why GS will likely pay him. He guarded Kevin Love and Love coudlnt take advantage. Sad as that was, thats the modern PF for you. So Barnes allows you to play small and a ‘death lineup’ for the forseeable future. Whereas Iggy has maybe 2 years left in him. If he does get offered the max, ok, let him go. But where exactly is that talk coming from??? If everyone is in agreement he’s not THE guy, who exactly is gonna offer him the max?

[Untouchable JParticipant]

You actually just saw why GS will likely pay him. He guarded Kevin Love and Love coudlnt take advantage. Sad as that was, thats the modern PF for you. So Barnes allows you to play small and a ‘death lineup’ for the forseeable future. Whereas Iggy has maybe 2 years left in him. If he does get offered the max, ok, let him go. But where exactly is that talk coming from??? If everyone is in agreement he’s not THE guy, who exactly is gonna offer him the max?

[Hype Machine]

Its hard for people to get their head around…but say he gets a deal for 22-23% of the current cap at just under his max (25%)

If the cap goes up 20-25% over the duration of his contract, by the end of it when hes still in his prime, he’s taking up closer to 17% of the salary cap.

Plus good teams go over it anyway.

Thats not a huge dent into the salary cap. Its not like a Derrick Rose 30% Max at a time when the cap only went up marginally each year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Its hard for people to get their head around…but say he gets a deal for 22-23% of the current cap at just under his max (25%)

If the cap goes up 20-25% over the duration of his contract, by the end of it when hes still in his prime, he’s taking up closer to 17% of the salary cap.

Plus good teams go over it anyway.

Thats not a huge dent into the salary cap. Its not like a Derrick Rose 30% Max at a time when the cap only went up marginally each year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Butter13Participant]

 Whomever signs Barnes to a max contract will likely be very disappointed. I’m not saying he’s a scrub, but I definitely don’t see him as a first or even second option type of player….at least not on a good team. 

[Butter13Participant]

 Whomever signs Barnes to a max contract will likely be very disappointed. I’m not saying he’s a scrub, but I definitely don’t see him as a first or even second option type of player….at least not on a good team. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Unless you are going to get a player better than him to fill his shoes I think you have to do whatever you can to hold on to Barnes if your GS, even though you will likely have to overpay him. He is still just 23 years old, so his best years are likely still ahead of him. He is extremely versatile defensively with the ability to guard 3 to 4 positions and is a big reason they are able to get away with playing such a small lineup effectively. He is not a guy that will command a lot of touches and is a capable shooter who you need to respect despite his streakiness at times. You’d like to see him get a little better at making plays off the dribble but he has time to improve in that area. 

Sure, he had a terrible game last night but I doubt that will hurt his value one way or the other. He is 23 years old with room to improve and whatever team locks him up will be getting him for the prime of his career most likely. He was a huge contributor to a historic level team and I honestly couldn’t see gs looking to roll the dice and shake things up too much unless they can somehow bring in a player of durants caliber, which seems unlikely. 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Unless you are going to get a player better than him to fill his shoes I think you have to do whatever you can to hold on to Barnes if your GS, even though you will likely have to overpay him. He is still just 23 years old, so his best years are likely still ahead of him. He is extremely versatile defensively with the ability to guard 3 to 4 positions and is a big reason they are able to get away with playing such a small lineup effectively. He is not a guy that will command a lot of touches and is a capable shooter who you need to respect despite his streakiness at times. You’d like to see him get a little better at making plays off the dribble but he has time to improve in that area. 

Sure, he had a terrible game last night but I doubt that will hurt his value one way or the other. He is 23 years old with room to improve and whatever team locks him up will be getting him for the prime of his career most likely. He was a huge contributor to a historic level team and I honestly couldn’t see gs looking to roll the dice and shake things up too much unless they can somehow bring in a player of durants caliber, which seems unlikely. 

 

[J-rueMykelParticipant]

Harrison Barnes or Nic Batum or maybe even Allen Crabbe?

Personally I think guys like Kent Bazemore, Evan Turner, and Mo Harkless could do a good job replacing what Barnes brings to GSW at a fraction of the cost. 

Barnes is a solid role player, but even on this GSW team as constructed he is at best their 4th best player, probablly 5th (Iggy), and if the three players ahead of him are on team friendly deals, I doubt GSW would be willing to match a max contract, seems like a play here, they say they’ll match and if the max deal comes they let someone overpay a quality player star’s money, and if the max deal doesn’t come, they get him on what seems to be closer to market value deal.

Another thing to be mentioned, say GSW close out CLE and win their 2nd straight championship.  Would a headstrong down to earth kid (Harrison doesn’t even drink alcohol unless he’s celebrating RANGZ) rather make 15 million a year playing on a dynasty or 20-25 mil playing on mediocre team.  

My best bet, Harrison thwarts other offers and takes what GSW wants to give him and they try and win a handful of ringss together! GSW is saying all the right things right now because that is all they can do, he wont be playing in GSW on a max contract next year, that much I know.

 

[Untouchable JParticipant]

Bazemore and Crabbe cant play the 4, hell maybe not even the 3.

Turner cant shoot the 3.

Batum is about the same, but 3 years older and imo will go for about the same $. Id say that extra 3, 4 mill/yr on Barnes instead of Batum is worth it in the chemstry and comaraderie already there.

Not to mention just on the eye test Batum is about 25lbs lighter. I dont think he can guard 4s

[Untouchable JParticipant]

Bazemore and Crabbe cant play the 4, hell maybe not even the 3.

Turner cant shoot the 3.

Batum is about the same, but 3 years older and imo will go for about the same $. Id say that extra 3, 4 mill/yr on Barnes instead of Batum is worth it in the chemstry and comaraderie already there.

Not to mention just on the eye test Batum is about 25lbs lighter. I dont think he can guard 4s

[J-rueMykelParticipant]

Harrison Barnes or Nic Batum or maybe even Allen Crabbe?

Personally I think guys like Kent Bazemore, Evan Turner, and Mo Harkless could do a good job replacing what Barnes brings to GSW at a fraction of the cost. 

Barnes is a solid role player, but even on this GSW team as constructed he is at best their 4th best player, probablly 5th (Iggy), and if the three players ahead of him are on team friendly deals, I doubt GSW would be willing to match a max contract, seems like a play here, they say they’ll match and if the max deal comes they let someone overpay a quality player star’s money, and if the max deal doesn’t come, they get him on what seems to be closer to market value deal.

Another thing to be mentioned, say GSW close out CLE and win their 2nd straight championship.  Would a headstrong down to earth kid (Harrison doesn’t even drink alcohol unless he’s celebrating RANGZ) rather make 15 million a year playing on a dynasty or 20-25 mil playing on mediocre team.  

My best bet, Harrison thwarts other offers and takes what GSW wants to give him and they try and win a handful of ringss together! GSW is saying all the right things right now because that is all they can do, he wont be playing in GSW on a max contract next year, that much I know.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 They would be better off drafting Dorian Finney-Smith who is very comparable to Harrison Barnes.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 They would be better off drafting Dorian Finney-Smith who is very comparable to Harrison Barnes.

[901GrizzParticipant]

 Assuming the Warriors repeat, you have to try to re-sign Barnes. Ideally you don’t want to break up this young core and historically good basketball team. At the same time you don’t want to overpay and jeopardize the future of this team. In my opinion Barnes is not worth the max. He’s a good defender. Doesn’t need a lot of touches on offense. However, he’s still the 4th best option. Your 4th best option is NOT worth the max. If they are able to convince him to re-sign at somewhat of a discount I think that’d be great. And who would want to go play basketball somewhere else? Where would he sign that would be more fun than playing with the Splash Brothers and Green? I don’t think he’s all about the money and will take a cut. If he does chase the money then there are other guys out there that can be pretty close to what he provided. Allen Crabbe, although a restricted free agent, played college ball at Berkeley and posted very similar stats to Barnes. He’d be a great fit if they could get him from Portland. All in all, don’t overpay Barnes. Good player. Great fit for this team. Not worth max $$.

[901GrizzParticipant]

 Assuming the Warriors repeat, you have to try to re-sign Barnes. Ideally you don’t want to break up this young core and historically good basketball team. At the same time you don’t want to overpay and jeopardize the future of this team. In my opinion Barnes is not worth the max. He’s a good defender. Doesn’t need a lot of touches on offense. However, he’s still the 4th best option. Your 4th best option is NOT worth the max. If they are able to convince him to re-sign at somewhat of a discount I think that’d be great. And who would want to go play basketball somewhere else? Where would he sign that would be more fun than playing with the Splash Brothers and Green? I don’t think he’s all about the money and will take a cut. If he does chase the money then there are other guys out there that can be pretty close to what he provided. Allen Crabbe, although a restricted free agent, played college ball at Berkeley and posted very similar stats to Barnes. He’d be a great fit if they could get him from Portland. All in all, don’t overpay Barnes. Good player. Great fit for this team. Not worth max $$.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Batum is such a far-superior player to Barnes it’s not even close. 

Batum is a better shooter, passer, rebounder and probably just as good defensively despite that ever so important 25 pounds. 

Barnes is a nice complementary piece. He’s low maintenance and he’ll do the dirty work. He plays good defense, though I think his defense has gotten a tad overrated. 

Offensively though, he hasn’t progressed much since his rookie year. He still settles for poor-contested pull ups. He isn’t much a slasher, or facilitator – which was what he was supposed to be going into college – and his jump shot is streaky as all hell despite playing in a system where 75-85 percent of his looks are open shots. He’s not a great shooter. 

The cap is going up. We all get that. But if he’s making 20 percent of your cap…you’ve got issues. He can’t be a team’s best, second or third best player. He just can’t. Unless your first two include LeBron or Durant. 

I like Barnes a lot and wanted him to be a star, but it’s a little disappointing what he’s been in the league. I thought he would maybe be better away from GS and the more I think about it, the more I think that is another system where he doesn’t have as good of players around him, he’d just struggle more. 

 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Batum is such a far-superior player to Barnes it’s not even close. 

Batum is a better shooter, passer, rebounder and probably just as good defensively despite that ever so important 25 pounds. 

Barnes is a nice complementary piece. He’s low maintenance and he’ll do the dirty work. He plays good defense, though I think his defense has gotten a tad overrated. 

Offensively though, he hasn’t progressed much since his rookie year. He still settles for poor-contested pull ups. He isn’t much a slasher, or facilitator – which was what he was supposed to be going into college – and his jump shot is streaky as all hell despite playing in a system where 75-85 percent of his looks are open shots. He’s not a great shooter. 

The cap is going up. We all get that. But if he’s making 20 percent of your cap…you’ve got issues. He can’t be a team’s best, second or third best player. He just can’t. Unless your first two include LeBron or Durant. 

I like Barnes a lot and wanted him to be a star, but it’s a little disappointing what he’s been in the league. I thought he would maybe be better away from GS and the more I think about it, the more I think that is another system where he doesn’t have as good of players around him, he’d just struggle more. 

 

 

 

 

 

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