[BobbyHurley4EverParticipant]

Is anyone else happy for Sergio Rodriguez?

Finally Sergio has gotten out of depth chart jams and has a chance to show what he has. D’Antoni’s system is the ideal place for him and his greatest success (whatever it may be ) could be in NY. Can’t wait to see what he has in 30 min/game.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Oh Em Gee…another Sergio topic, wheres Quincey when you need him?

But yeah, its good to see guys that have been buried on benches get some more burn, you get a better feel for there game

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Yeah, darn those jammed depth charts behind Steve Blake and Beno Udrih. If only he wasn’t so unlucky to keep being stuck behind such All-Stars.

[BobbyHurley4EverParticipant]

Blake is very underrated……and Udrih is more well-rounded……..but in an offensive system with lots of freedom is what Sergio needs…..so dont disparage Blake and Udrih BTPH

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

I swear some people will claim any and every white guy in the NBA who can run up the court without falling over is underrated. Steve Blake is a mediocre starting point guard and an average backup point. Beno Udrih is a shooter who doesn’t do that particularly well when he isn’t in a contract year. Sergio Rodriguez couldn’t get on the floor when they were the other options. If you want to believe he’ll thrive in New York, feel free. Trading in Chris Duhon for Sergio Rodriguez only benefits them because Sergio is cheaper.

[knicksfan7Participant]

I agree with you. I wasn’t too impressed with him he is faster than Duhon, but Duhon can’t believe I am saying this is the better shooter. The Knicks need a real PG, I would love to see them get Raymond Felton, but I don’t see him leaving Charlotte. I would put money that Sherron Collins or Grevias Vasquez or Scottie Reynolds will be better PG’s than Duhon and Sergio. I love my Knicks, but I am realistic as to how good certain players are.

[knicksfan7Participant]

The Knicks should keep Sergio and let Duhon go, and get a true starting Point Guard, idc white or black.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t think it has anything to do with color. I think Blake is an underrated player as well. He’s not the most talented or physically gifted, but he’s a good point guard.

As far as Sergio is concerned… I don’t think anybody thinks he’s the answer at point guard. He’s not a very good shooter, but he pushes the ball, penetrates and he can pass. Like you said, he’s also cheap. Nothing wrong with him getting a chance. I think he’ll do for now.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Its because Sergio is with the Knicks now that we get so many threads about him. If Knicks got Adam Morrison and he has an okay game then people will say D’Antoni would make him decent. Just like what they said about Darko.

[knicksfan7Participant]

Well said. That’s why as a Knicks fan I don’t get too excited when the team is under 500 so much, and Sergio is not a starter. Though, I would love to keep him as a backup with the Knicks. I actually believe from the trades the Knicks got a stronger bench now they need better starters. I would not mind to see a starting 5 next year like this.
PG-Raymond Felton
SG-Danilo Gallinari (I consider him a large SG)
SF- Either Rudy Gay or Wilson Chandler (I think the Knicks can get good value for Chandler)
PF- David Lee (he is the heart of the team, can’t get rid of it)
C-Brendan Haywood or Marcus Camby which ever is easier to get

[knicksfan7Participant]

As for a bench I would be content with Sergio, House, Douglas, Curry, a center with our 2nd round pick, and a power forward with the other 2nd round pick. I want to see the Knicks have a big team b/c they have been getting killed on the boards all year. After David Lee they have no1 else. I know I have stated in previous posts the Knicks should go after Joe Johnson, but I am unsure if he would command a max contract, and I believe only Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are max contract worthy everyone else is not worth the years on the contract as well as the money.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

knicksfan7, what makes you think that lineup would be any good? Raymond Felton isn’t the kind of point guard the Knicks are going to want for that system. Like Duhon and Rodriguez, he isn’t much of a shooter. He also isn’t that good of a distributor. Gallinari hasn’t really proven much. You say David Lee is the hear and soul, but what does it mean to be the heart and soul of a team who has been awful ever since he got there.

I think they ought to use some of their assets to work sign-and-trades if- as I and so many believe- cannot lure LeBron, Wade, or Bosh. I think they definitely should use David Lee for a sign-and-trade, and think there could be a market for Danilo Gallinari/Wilson Chandler when packaged with Eddy Curry’s expiring deal. It should get them between three or four starting players.

[knicksfan7Participant]

The Knicks are in a very tough spot, my views keep on changing about what the Knicks should do. One thing I know is the Knicks should not sign anyone to a max contract if not named Lebron, Wade, or Bosh. If that does not happen I consider Raymond Felton a better ball distributor than Duhon or Rodriguez, Felton shoots 40% from 3. The Knicks also need a Center Marcus Camby or Brendan Haywood are the guys I like as well as a 2nd Round pick at the Center Position (Jerome Jordan or Art Patroushski sp? from Radford, though prob too slow). I know you’re not a fan of Gallo, but I do think he is going to get better his body needs to develop more so than his game, both do need improvement. I unlike most people consider Gallo an oversized shooting guard who I think getting rid of Jeffries was great cause Gallo will be able to play the same exact Defense Jeffries played in 2 years time. In a perfect world the Knicks sign Wade and Lebron to max contracts get Camby with an MLE, and trade away Wilson Chandler for a solid Power Forward, draft 2 big guys in the 2nd round as well as try resigning Eddie House and Sergio Rodriguez. That would give the Knicks a roster like this.
PG’s- Dwyane Wade, Sergio Rodriguez, Toney Douglas
SG’s- Danilo Gallinari, Eddie House
SF’s- Lebron James, a vet minimum guy
PF’s- Someone solid in exchange for Wilson Chandler, 2nd round pick
C’s- Marcus Camby, Eddy Curry, and 2nd round pick
That is a 12 man roster right there, they would prob need another 2 guys to finish the roster, but I don’t think the weaknesses in the front court are that bad, just either old or inexperienced. Then again I don’t see this happening, but it would be nice.

[bkballerParticipant]

I actually like sergio for the knicks. Noone said hes an amazing point guard, but he seems to know how to run the offense and whoever watched last night saw how he can penetrate into the paint and how he find open players. That is something that duhon is completely incapable of doing and yesterday his only contribution (the pick and roll w. david lee) was exposed because House, a non true pg that just flew in a few days ago ran it just as effectively with lee. I think if the Knicks add some real talent this summer sergio would be the perfect point guard for them. Noone is saying he will ever be an all star but I definitely think he can be solid when given the freedom to run an offense.

[knicksfan7Participant]

I don’t think Sergio is capable of being a starter, he’s great backup to have, but not a starter. He would only be a solid starter if he had Lebron or Kobe to play with that’s why Derek Fisher and Mo Williams are starters w/o those guys they would be great guys off the bench.

[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

sergio looked better than ive ever seen him. but in this offense his jumper is poor for him to be a starter.

[bkballerParticipant]

sergio is light years ahead of duhon and hes younger. He has great court vision and can finish at the basket. I was very impressed with him last night and if chandler and al didn’t miss a boat load of open shots and drop nice passes he would have had about 10 assists in very limited minutes.

[knicksfan7Participant]

He has a ways to go if he wants to be a starting PG in the NBA.

[quinceyhodges]

lol….man this is sooo funny… “this is the best i have ever seen him play”- so in 3 years in the nba this past game is the best you have ever seen him play? “he is light years better then duhon”- really ?..not saying duhon is good or anything but go and compare there careers then get back at me. blake is ok and ilrich or whatever his name is is ok as well. lets not get carried away. this guy is a backup/third string pg. he cant shoot and he cant play defense. i guess that doesnt matter to some huh. some say “well nash cant play defense either” well nash can shoot run a team and get a bunch of assist as well as score. this guy is a back up when he’s at his best. his didnt have a great game last night he had a average game but some are making it seem like he changed the whole game and the knicks wouldnt have been as close without him. then i get called for hating when i say hes a back up even though the last 3 years thats what hes been and even when he has gotten alot of time he’s done nothing special

[knicksfan7Participant]

Q, I agree with you. He didn’t have a great shot selection, or a great shot so I didn’t find it to be an off night. He is much faster and doesn’t give up any size among point guards nor as much speed compared to Duhon. I think Duhon is a more polished player, but I think Sergio provides the size and up tempo D’antoni looks for, so I see Sergio being the backup of the future. The Knicks need a point guard who can start be it someone in the 2nd round that I think can start right away (Collins, Reynolds, or Vasquez, though I think that’s short term) or try signing Raymond Felton or Dwyane Wade. I don’t care who it is just a legitimate starting point guard, Chris Duhon never was he just got figured out in the middle of last season. Back to Sergio, I don’t think things worked out in Portland in his last year and Sacto all season, nothing to do with his playing. The biggest problem with the Knicks is they have never had 3 or 4 guys who are starting quality. David Lee and Wilson Chandler can start for most teams, and Danilo for about 17-20 teams.

[quinceyhodges]

i agree.. but hes only a back up in the future as long as a good pg doesnt come along. he only gets time if a guy there has been playing horrible or there is no other pg he has to compete with. you get a average nba pg come in and he takes sergio’s spot. as far as people saying this is the type of big pg the coach like….when has the coach had big pg?..so how come so many people are experts on knowing the coach and what he likes?..from what ive seen he likes smaller quick pg’s (steve nash)

[McWinningParticipant]

Quincey im beginning to think you dont know what your talking about. First its Ben Udrih n0ot Ulrich, or Ilrich. Second he is very quick maybe not as quick as Nash yes but hes quick. Third you say he hasnt proven himself and hes done nothing but guess what. his per 48 minutes are off the chart, his defense is underrated. His teams defense is actually better when hes on the court based on numbers, hes no Russel Westbrook but he plays solid defense and based on his numbers if hes given starter minutes he would get about 2 steals a game. Hes no Steve Nash yes but he also had a lot of his passes end up as easy missed layups he isnt a good shooter yes but if you think hes a third stringer your on crack.

[quinceyhodges]

did i say “or whatever his name is?..meaning i knew i probably didnt spell it right. and why are you so caught up on per48 min?..the game isnt played in per 48 min so why are you so caught up on that?..anyone that plays say 10 min and scores 5 points is gonna have a high per48. what does that mean?. im on crack for thinking he is a 3rd string..answer me this.. what string was he when he was in portland?, you keep doing the fantasy basketball thing. everyone knows his defense sucks. per 48..lol what a joke didnt we have this convo?..

corey maggette is 7th in scoring per48…so he must be a better scorer then duncan and t.evans whos ranked lower huh?

by the way since youre a per 48 guy doesnt a guy have to play in 20 games or score 1400 to even qualify for per 48?

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-48-minutes

im starting to think you dont know what youre talking about

[quinceyhodges]

deron williams is ranked 41 in per 48 scoring//luke ridnour is ranked 39

lets see who else is behind him
brandon jennings
jonny flynn
oj mayo
jason terry

lets look at assist..duhon is ranked 10th per 48 in the leauge..he must be a great pg then right, as far as getting assists

derrick rose is 15th
tony parker is 13th

now i gave you the link so tell me where sergio is ranked?..does he even qualify?

[McWinningParticipant]

Corey is a better SCORER than both of them hes not nearly as good an all around player though. And im simply pointed out if given more minutes his stats are very good which counteracts your statement that he does nothing. Earlier in the season then Martin was injured and he was given time he had a lot of big games its not his fault hes playing behind a very good Kings backcourt. And as far as Portland he wasnt a fit there well see, maybe your right hes been announced as their starter and well see how good he does tomorrow.

[knicksfan7Participant]

I think Sergio will do okay, but his shoot hinders him from being a starter, teams will take there chances with him shooting. If you can’t hit a contested jumper or the open 3 you won’t last long in the NBA.

[knicksfan7Participant]

I still consider Sergio a backup, but he will do as the starter for the season. Maybe he can surprise us all. I am not sold on anything from his game on saturday except some flashy passes.

[quinceyhodges]

that doesnt prove it. everyone on the bench has better stats if you go per48min…if i play 2min a game and i average 1 point then that would make it seem like in 48 min i am a high scorer now dont it?. name one guy in the nba ONE who is on the bench who’s stats dont go way up in 48 min of game time??..and thats why you dont go by that. he didnt get much time in protanland and with the kings not because of the system, it was because the guys ahead of him were much better.

[McWinningParticipant]

and Duhon plays 20 more minutes a game and gets three more assists a game. Sergios per minute assists is 1.9 more than Duhons.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22008&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=5&splitDD=All%20Teams

[quinceyhodges]

why not start toney douglas?..he averages over 24ppg per 48 min

[quinceyhodges]

which is why any smart person doesnt go by per48 min

[knicksfan7Participant]

I am find the per36 as the more realistic stat because the change is not as drastic and more realistic. If Quincey scored 1 point in 2 minutes of an NBA game that would mean he averages 24 points a game, to achieve that feat you would need to take close to 15 shots and be a #1 option likely, so that’s very unlikely. Though if you score 1 point in 2 minutes per 36 mins that’s 18 points and to score 18 you can take 12 shots, be a 40% 3 point shooter, and make 4 free throws and you should be at 18 points. Per36 means a lot more than per48 b/c I can guarantee you no matter what player you are Lebron James or Sergio Rodriguez you won’t be the same player in the first 10 minutes as you were the last 10 minutes.

[quinceyhodges]

serigo cant even be counted even in the per48min because he doesnt even qualify so why even bring it up?

[McWinningParticipant]

lol maybe but all the numbers say Sergio should be playing he has a way higher per than Udruh, based on statistics the team,s defense and scoring is the highest when hes on the court, and his per 48 minute stats are very good plus if you watch any Kings games they seem to play better with him in.

[quinceyhodges]

billy walker averages 1ppg in 3 min… he should start because his per 48 min too huh

[knicksfan7Participant]

Billy Walker’s per 36 would be 12 points, could he even give 36 quality minutes in college let alone the NBA. He was a good college player, but def not a 36 minute guy in college.

[McWinningParticipant]

he did have a couple good games and averages 13 minutes a game so its not like he spends all the time on the bench.

[McWinningParticipant]

Quincey hes played 39 games this year.

[quinceyhodges]

lol..riiiiiight he should have played more then him….yeahhhh because of his per 48 and stats…yep that makes sense.. lets just go by per 48..gallo sits on the bench walker takes his place. toney douglass starts as well. makes perfect sense why didnt i think of this before. coaches should base there starting and playing a guy on per48 and not by who is actually better. man thanks for clearing that up for me. sasah should be playing more then kobe and probably adam morrison because of there per48. hell josh powell needs to be playing over gasol

[knicksfan7Participant]

Adam Morrison averages 14.4PPG per48, lolz.

[McWinningParticipant]

actually all of those players stats are bad per 48 minutes.

[quinceyhodges]

which is why coaches dont play guys because of per 48min..only you go by that..coachs dont

[knicksfan7Participant]

I think the Thunder should give Kyle Weaver a max contract considering he averages 28.8 points per game per 48 minutes.

[quinceyhodges]

lol..you see how silly it is to go by per48 knicks

[McWinningParticipant]

obviously Mike Dantoni does because he was smart enough to realize to start him ( Hes officially starting tomorrow).

http://www.82games.com/0910/09SAC1.HTM

[quinceyhodges]

did you know that per 48 alando tucker is a better scorer then t.evans and d.rose…man chi should trade for him

[knicksfan7Participant]

I think Mike D’antoni is starting Rodriguez because he is better than Duhon overall and the offense moves better with rodriguez because Duhon can’t run a fast break. Nothing to do with stats.

[quinceyhodges]

thats because someone has to start..lol…look at whos at pg for the knicks…duhon,douglas, sergio…..starting out of that group is not a big accomplishment

[McWinningParticipant]

okay what stat should i go by? per and +- both speak highly of him too and ive watched him alot and he always brings a spark off the bench.

[quinceyhodges]

man is that the worst trio of pg in the nba?..id take kentuckys pg over that. now thats sad

[quinceyhodges]

you go by talent and how they perform. you go by who out plays who in practice and who is th best out on the floor. thats common sense

[McWinningParticipant]

You know you havent really proved anything you just randomly bash him without using stats or even saying why you think hes bad and bringing up people who have played one game all year per 48 minute stats.

[quinceyhodges]

ive proved you cant go by per48 if thats the way things go then how come sergio hasnt been playing more in the past 3 years?..exactly

[McWinningParticipant]

Why didnt Jermaine O Neal play early in his career?

[quinceyhodges]

yeah saying hes a back up pg and that he isnt real good is bashing him…oh wait he has been a career back up and he hasnt shown hes real good

[McWinningParticipant]

How did you prove? you showed that a bunch of guys who have played on game all year have high per 48 minute stats.

[quinceyhodges]

lol..now youre comparing him to jermaine oneal…lol

[McWinningParticipant]

The way i see it is he got stuck in two teams that didnt fit him . Dont foor yourself if Mike thought he sucked he would start playing Douglas for the future.

[quinceyhodges]

what about carl landry then?..he is a better scorer then carlos booer..hes played more then 3 games. maggette is a better scorer then dirk.. more then one game

aron brooks better scorer then chris pual per 48
nate robinson better then cp3 per48 scoring

marcus thortan over rudy gay and eric gordan and deron williams

[quinceyhodges]

the fatc is he was stuck behind players that were better then him

[McWinningParticipant]

i dont really have a problem with those all those players are underrated.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

LOL@At How Far This Has Gotten

Normally theres “debates” like this over guys like Lebron, Kobe, Wade….but you guys have been talking about how good/bad Sergio Rodriguez is for like the last 3 days…LMAO

[McWinningParticipant]

what stat proves that those players were better than him?

[McWinningParticipant]

Hey hes the ”Spanish Chocolate” hes way more important than those guys.

[quinceyhodges]

lol..yeah hes so important that hes playing for his third team in 3 years and his career averages are

3.9pts 2.9 ast 404fg and 308 3pt

you are right magic….im dumb for even arguing about this guy..hes not even worth talking about…imma move on to more important players who actually fo things and matter in the nba

[McWinningParticipant]

lol i was just joking id like to talk about this again after his game vs the Bucks tomorrow.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Alot of us Knicks fans are hyped about Sergio because he always did very well against the Knicks when we’ve faced him in the past. The only time we’ve sen Sergio play is when he’s hurt us. I dont think Sergio is an upper echelon PG but I think he is a better floor general than Duhon and he cant be a worse shooter than Duhon.

[quinceyhodges]

lets see how he does with his start against the bucks tonight

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