[valentine]

second in scoring in the acc and second in assists for the acc leading maryland terps. im a terps fan but i like him more then scheyer. he plays with passion, he’s a legit 6’5 has very good court vision and steps up in big games bigger then almost any other player in college basketball. probably will be a second round pick with a possibility to go first to a very good team. he’s not the best athlete but you dont have to be when you are a tall pg and sisnce hes a sr his upside isnt as high as the others but i view him as a safe pick. i dont know why but for the past 2 years i see him as a dallas maverick back up and sometiems starting pg in his career. i really think he could be better then steve blake

[gregoden08Participant]

That’s a tough one. Steve Blake can defend other pg’s…Can Grevis? I’m not so sure…If Grevis had a good post game ala Andre Miller maybe his stock would go up. Not sure if he could be as good as Steve. You know what you get out of Steve…Shooting and defense with a little playmaking and you know he won’t turn the ball over.

[quinceyhodges]

hes played pretty good defense on other pg actually and the nba is team defense. he will get scored on just like blake gets scored on. as a matter of fact every blazer fan always says how bad of a defender blake is and thats wht oden was picking up so many fouls

[quinceyhodges]

people keep saying defense this and defense that but most players arent even real good defenders in the nba. its just not as big of an issue as some make it out to be

[gregoden08Participant]

That is true. Blake is an average defender. I just don’t see Grevis an NBA player to be honest. Maybe he can be a back up pg…Like I said, if he had a killer post game that would really raise his stock. Let’s not forget that he’s not a good shooter either.

[quinceyhodges]

i cant really think of any nba pg with a killer post game. and no hes not a great shooter but he is a pretty good shooter. hes actually right up there with ther pg in the acc and i may be mistaken but shoots it better from 2 and three then john schyer. i think he will probably be a back up but i watch every single maryland game and know he shoots pretty well

[gregoden08Participant]

Andre Miller, Billups, Kidd (when he wants to) Stuckey can post up. Just off the top of my head.

[quinceyhodges]

at the same stage he is better then blake

[JNixonParticipant]

I think he could be a Marko Jaric type at top upside…He’s not that great a prospect because he’s turnover prone (esp for a PG) and he’s a below average shooter. The fact that this PG class is weak and he’s not being mentioned as a top PG should tell you alot about him as a prospect. It’ll also be very interesting to see how someone that’s used to having the ball in his hands as much as he has throughout his career adjusts to being a player with limited minutes in the NBA…

[Adi Joseph]

Well, Scheyer’s not getting drafted, so that’s probably not a comparison you want to make.

The problems for Greivis entering this year were:

a.) He had no range on his jump shot. Push him out past the free-throw line, where the flex so often allows players to shoot from, and he was shooting something like 33 percent on long 2s and 3s.

b.) His shot selection is rather questionable. He shot 40.5 percent as a junior, and too often forgot that he had teammates.

c.) Incredible inconsistency. Some days, he was the best player in the ACC. Others, he was actually harmful to his team’s cause. Greivis has always been the type to try to shoot himself out of a slump, but it often took weeks to do.

d.) He’ll never be able to keep up with NBA point guards.

e.) He’s not very strong, and rarely connects on and-1 type plays even as he draws his fair share of fouls.

f.) He often seemed disinterested in defense. Greivis is not Steve Blake on the defensive end. Blake is simply a bad defender. Greivis has the potential to be an good natural defender, and shows it at times, but too often he gets lazy. He is limited on that end by his lack of strength and speed.

So far this year, he’s addressed the shooting woes to some degree, but the other question marks persist. 

None of that is to say that Greivis won’t be drafted. He may actually end up a contributor in the league. And I sure as hell believe he’ll be better than Jon Scheyer.

But, the NBA has has shied away from oversized point guards as a whole in recent years. And I just don’t think Greivis can play shooting guard.

Whoever asked what point guards in the NBA have great post-up games, you’ve got Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Baron Davis and Deron Williams.

[quinceyhodges]

stucky rarely ever post. and only bill ups has a killer post game. you do realize these guys are nba vets and vasquez is sill in college right?. and you do realize his game will get better and hes not in his prime right?.ok just checking. theres must be plenty of below average shooter then especially joh schyer beause he actually shoots worst then vasquez from mid range and 3point. and most of vasquez points come from mid range jumpers. nobvioulsy yall have watched a couple of games of maryland. ive watched 4 years of him. and he hasnt always had the ball in his hands all the time. matter of fact there are lot of times every season where hayes rns the point and he plays without the ball going off screens. on top of his court vision. unlike all these other guys who rack up assists he does it with less talent around him

[Disrespect_MeParticipant]

how many years is vasquez from his prime, I think he’s older than his class

and he’s still not dominating

[quinceyhodges]

which is why i said he will probably go second round and be a back up. i use schyer because so many people are now thinking he will be a first round pick or deserves to be a lotto pick

[quinceyhodges]

hes still not dominating?..he domintes big games genius. yeah you obviously dont watch maryland games huh. go back and watch unc vs maryland last year or look at how they are first in the conference right now and hes seond in assists and second in scoring in the acc.

[quinceyhodges]

as far as the post up pg.. how many pg are in the nba?..and with the ones you name what is the percentage of pg that dont have killer post game compared to the ones that do?…point being you dont need a killer post game to be a starting or back up or even to be a pg in the nba

[gregoden08Participant]

You don’t understand what I’m saying…GREVIS IS 6,5…He NEEDS a post game. How is he going to score in the NBA? I mean really…Having a post game will help his overall game.

Like Joseph said, he has quite a few holes in his game. And he is older than most seniors. Gotta wonder if he can really improve those holes in his game. Especially physically.

[Adi Joseph]

Actually, if you watched Greivis against Wake Forest last year or occasionally in other games this year, he does have some nice post moves, though probably not enough strength.

Also, really, Quincey, is it that hard to spell? At times I can barely figure out what you’re trying to say.

[quinceyhodges]

its this stupid lap top..some letters get stuck. and he doesnt NEED a post game to play in the nba. there are plenty of guards that dont have a very strong post game. teams dont say “hey he’s 6’5 but he doesnt have a killer post game so we arent gonna draft him in the SECOND ROUND”…come on

[gregoden08Participant]

That’s actually not what I’m saying…I wouldn’t draft him period lol. I’m just saying that if he had a post game it would help his overall game.

[quinceyhodges]

of course he has holes hence why i keep saying he will probably be a second round pick. the second round is full of guys who have more then one whole in there game. hell even the first round. all college players have holes in there game

[quinceyhodges]

ok thats you. teams have a different take on him. and thats what im going by not if you would draft him or not. thats youre opinion on him which is cool

[quinceyhodges]

you add anything to a player( post, jumper, bounce, more intensity) and there game will get better. thats pretty much common sense. my point was he doesnt need a killer post game, just like other players dont need a killer post game, to make it in the nba

[quinceyhodges]

hell i wouldnt draft landon milbourne but coach harrington says nba scouts actually like him

[gregoden08Participant]

If Taylor Griffin can get drafted, so can Landon. Lol.

[quinceyhodges]

you know whats funny. i literally was just thinking that. to be honest though landon does have talent and im down on him because he never lived up to what i think he can do. the guy is a hell of a athlete with handles and a nice jumper at 6’7-6’8. hes had to play pf his whole career though when he clearly isnt a pf

[Disrespect_MeParticipant]

he’s not dominating inside

he’s not that strong

he’s not that explosive

when he’s on he’s a jump shooter
a streaky one at that

his length on defense is negated by his foot speed

I dont see why the Knicks wouldnt give him a try

he could be a skinnier Tyreke Evans albeit older

maybe Jamal Crawford 1 day

[quinceyhodges]

yet he still is second in points and sast while leading his team to the top of the conference.. thats good enough for me

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