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- Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 2:07am #32225
akhan786ParticipantI was too young to remember the Grant Hill days and was later told of how good Grant Hill used to be.
For any of you older posters, how would you describe Grant’s game and where do you think he would’ve ended on the GOAT list if he wasn’t hampered by injuries.
Also do you think Hill and McGrady could’ve had a dynasty run like Jordan and Pippen did? And how many MVPs, Rings, etc. would he have won by the end of his career.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 2:40am #581536
Cardinal_FanParticipantIf they were both able to stay healthy they would have been an all-time great tandem in my opinion because for their positions SG/SF’s they were both sooo versatile. McGrady was an explosive scorer (I witnessed the 13 points in 30 seconds against the Spurs on Bruce Bowen whooooo!!!!) and also a really good playmaker. McGrady could effectively play 3 postions PG/SG/SF and averaged around 5-6 assist and 6-7 rebounds while he was also top 3-5 in scoring when he was at his best. Grant Hill could literally do it all & versatility was the only way 2 describe his game, Hill’s game was so well rounded and he was a true jack of all trades but master of none. Hill could score, handle, rebound, pass, and also defend. He probably would have been the defensive stopper of the 2 while also addding a consistent scoring punch at around 16-20 points per game. At 1 point in Hills career alot of folks were saying he was the closest thing to MJ in the league at that time. McGrady at 1 point in his career was the most lethal scorer in the league and was unguardable! If guarded close he had excellent ballhandling ability and was able to break you down off the dribble, but if you dare give him space he would drain 3 pointers and mid-range jumpers, but even tho he was a great scorer he wasnt selfish and was always able to keep his teammates involved. A healthy Grant Hill would have been the guy 2 help T-Mac shed theat label of never getting out of the 1st round most definately imo. I feel they would have complimented each other so well unlike say Wade & James becuase both McGrady and Hill were able to play off the ball and knock down spot up jumpers consistently, also you wouldnt’t have to have a great PG becuase of the versatile playmaking abilities both Hill and McGrady possesed. Ultimatey neither 1 could carry a team to a championship by themselves, but if both were able to stay healthy together i truly believe they could have at least got 1 ring.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 2:40am #581300
Cardinal_FanParticipantIf they were both able to stay healthy they would have been an all-time great tandem in my opinion because for their positions SG/SF’s they were both sooo versatile. McGrady was an explosive scorer (I witnessed the 13 points in 30 seconds against the Spurs on Bruce Bowen whooooo!!!!) and also a really good playmaker. McGrady could effectively play 3 postions PG/SG/SF and averaged around 5-6 assist and 6-7 rebounds while he was also top 3-5 in scoring when he was at his best. Grant Hill could literally do it all & versatility was the only way 2 describe his game, Hill’s game was so well rounded and he was a true jack of all trades but master of none. Hill could score, handle, rebound, pass, and also defend. He probably would have been the defensive stopper of the 2 while also addding a consistent scoring punch at around 16-20 points per game. At 1 point in Hills career alot of folks were saying he was the closest thing to MJ in the league at that time. McGrady at 1 point in his career was the most lethal scorer in the league and was unguardable! If guarded close he had excellent ballhandling ability and was able to break you down off the dribble, but if you dare give him space he would drain 3 pointers and mid-range jumpers, but even tho he was a great scorer he wasnt selfish and was always able to keep his teammates involved. A healthy Grant Hill would have been the guy 2 help T-Mac shed theat label of never getting out of the 1st round most definately imo. I feel they would have complimented each other so well unlike say Wade & James becuase both McGrady and Hill were able to play off the ball and knock down spot up jumpers consistently, also you wouldnt’t have to have a great PG becuase of the versatile playmaking abilities both Hill and McGrady possesed. Ultimatey neither 1 could carry a team to a championship by themselves, but if both were able to stay healthy together i truly believe they could have at least got 1 ring.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 3:42am #581548
Cardinal_FanParticipantAlso a lil extra for guys who didnt know or dont remember, the year Grant Hill was a free agent so was Tim Duncan & at the time he was considering making a move to Orlando but ultimately re-uped with the Spurs. Could u imagine a big 3 of Duncan, McGrady & Hill??? Those 3 guys healthy 2gether…..WOW!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 3:42am #581312
Cardinal_FanParticipantAlso a lil extra for guys who didnt know or dont remember, the year Grant Hill was a free agent so was Tim Duncan & at the time he was considering making a move to Orlando but ultimately re-uped with the Spurs. Could u imagine a big 3 of Duncan, McGrady & Hill??? Those 3 guys healthy 2gether…..WOW!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:13am #581572
OOGRecoParticipantOrlando had cap room for 2 max free agents and was targeting Duncan and Grant Hill. Duncan was rumored to be going to the Magic but ended up staying with San Antonio, leading Orlando to go for TMac instead.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:13am #581336
OOGRecoParticipantOrlando had cap room for 2 max free agents and was targeting Duncan and Grant Hill. Duncan was rumored to be going to the Magic but ended up staying with San Antonio, leading Orlando to go for TMac instead.
0- Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:44am #581378
bron42Participantactually tmac was already signed and when tim duncan resigned with the spurs they went for hill who then got hurt and never recovered.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:44am #581615
bron42Participantactually tmac was already signed and when tim duncan resigned with the spurs they went for hill who then got hurt and never recovered.
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:19am #581576
iguapops420ParticipantHill was an incredibl player. ike LBJ with a killer instinct, mins the insane athleticism, though Hill was no slouch athletically himself. honestly the fact he’s still playing at an averag athletic rate just goes to show how underrated he was athletically in his prime. They would have both been 20 +pg,7+rbs,6+ assists.
Mcgrady shoud hav never asked to get out of Orlando to go play with Ming. He could hav teamed up with D12 and actually gotten to be Kobe -Shaq part 2 like he always talked about becoming with Ming.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:19am #581339
iguapops420ParticipantHill was an incredibl player. ike LBJ with a killer instinct, mins the insane athleticism, though Hill was no slouch athletically himself. honestly the fact he’s still playing at an averag athletic rate just goes to show how underrated he was athletically in his prime. They would have both been 20 +pg,7+rbs,6+ assists.
Mcgrady shoud hav never asked to get out of Orlando to go play with Ming. He could hav teamed up with D12 and actually gotten to be Kobe -Shaq part 2 like he always talked about becoming with Ming.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:30am #581585
NJHooper95ParticipantJordan had called Grant Hill the future of the NBA. Grant Hill was a great all-around player. He had a tremendous crossover, and great athleticism. He didnt shoot the 3pointer well, but he could hit it. But his midrange game was very solid. I remember him giving Scottie Pippen the business on several occassions. Im a Pippen fan, and I hated for him to have to guard Hill. You see Lebron today and that was Hill (I mean a fast athletic point forward type). But I think Hill was a better ball-handler, better midrange shooter, and not quite as athletic or strong as Lebron, but nonetheless still Athletic. Also very similar to Scottie Pippen, but better Scorer than Scottie when Grant was in Detroit. He was not the near the Defender Scottie, but Offensively he was on his level or even his Superior.
Tracy and Hill in their prime together, will have been great to watch. They would have gotten out of the East probably every year, but I dont if they would have been able to beat the Shaq and Kobe Lakers or the Spurs for that matter, but it would have been great to watch.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:30am #581347
NJHooper95ParticipantJordan had called Grant Hill the future of the NBA. Grant Hill was a great all-around player. He had a tremendous crossover, and great athleticism. He didnt shoot the 3pointer well, but he could hit it. But his midrange game was very solid. I remember him giving Scottie Pippen the business on several occassions. Im a Pippen fan, and I hated for him to have to guard Hill. You see Lebron today and that was Hill (I mean a fast athletic point forward type). But I think Hill was a better ball-handler, better midrange shooter, and not quite as athletic or strong as Lebron, but nonetheless still Athletic. Also very similar to Scottie Pippen, but better Scorer than Scottie when Grant was in Detroit. He was not the near the Defender Scottie, but Offensively he was on his level or even his Superior.
Tracy and Hill in their prime together, will have been great to watch. They would have gotten out of the East probably every year, but I dont if they would have been able to beat the Shaq and Kobe Lakers or the Spurs for that matter, but it would have been great to watch.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:37am #581587
RUDEBOY_ParticipantGrant Hill was good,but i think he was a little overrated..Dont get me wrong,i loved his all around game..But He didnt seem to me, to be a 1st option type of player…He was and still is a great defender,team player and playmaker…If he hadn’t gotten hurt,he would be a Hall of Famer..
People forget that between the years of 2001-2005,people were asking who was better TMac or Kobe? McGrady might finish among the Top 10 shooting guards of All-Time,even though his career was slowed by injuries..Its hard seeing Hill being listed among the Top 10 small forwards of All-Time,after his career is done…
Hill and McGrady on the same team wouldve worked,if they had a coach that knew how to create an offense that made them successful and gave them each a defined role..They could’ve made each other better….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 6:37am #581349
RUDEBOY_ParticipantGrant Hill was good,but i think he was a little overrated..Dont get me wrong,i loved his all around game..But He didnt seem to me, to be a 1st option type of player…He was and still is a great defender,team player and playmaker…If he hadn’t gotten hurt,he would be a Hall of Famer..
People forget that between the years of 2001-2005,people were asking who was better TMac or Kobe? McGrady might finish among the Top 10 shooting guards of All-Time,even though his career was slowed by injuries..Its hard seeing Hill being listed among the Top 10 small forwards of All-Time,after his career is done…
Hill and McGrady on the same team wouldve worked,if they had a coach that knew how to create an offense that made them successful and gave them each a defined role..They could’ve made each other better….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:11am #581599
surveParticipantYou are correct…Grant Hill was not a 1st option type player, but I disagree that he was overrated. Pippen was not a 1st option type player either. Grant Hill was another version of Pippen. Pippen was a better shooter than Grant, but without thinking too hard, I dont know what else Pip was really better at. Had Hill and McGrady been healthy together, that wouldve been the closest thing to Jordan and Pippen. I think in their primes, stylistically and they way they couldve meshed wouldve been a better combination than Wade and LBJ. They were that good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:11am #581361
surveParticipantYou are correct…Grant Hill was not a 1st option type player, but I disagree that he was overrated. Pippen was not a 1st option type player either. Grant Hill was another version of Pippen. Pippen was a better shooter than Grant, but without thinking too hard, I dont know what else Pip was really better at. Had Hill and McGrady been healthy together, that wouldve been the closest thing to Jordan and Pippen. I think in their primes, stylistically and they way they couldve meshed wouldve been a better combination than Wade and LBJ. They were that good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:34am #581607
RUDEBOY_ParticipantWhat i meant by overrated is that there are some who say he could’ve been in the same class as Jordan..And thats not true..
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:34am #581369
RUDEBOY_ParticipantWhat i meant by overrated is that there are some who say he could’ve been in the same class as Jordan..And thats not true..
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:42am #581611
NJHooper95ParticipantHill was not overrated, and no he wasnt in the same class as mike. He played a much different game than Mike, but he was a player that could help carry the league as far as marketing, and a ticket-seller. I tell you this he did not back down from Mike or Scottie, when he was on top of his game. You knew that there were three stars on the floor.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 7:42am #581374
NJHooper95ParticipantHill was not overrated, and no he wasnt in the same class as mike. He played a much different game than Mike, but he was a player that could help carry the league as far as marketing, and a ticket-seller. I tell you this he did not back down from Mike or Scottie, when he was on top of his game. You knew that there were three stars on the floor.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 8:19am #581394
Memphis MadnessParticipantGrant Hill was closer to Penny Hardaway. A great, versatile talent who might have needed a great big man to really win. Penny seemed like he was a little more athletic and quicker though. Penny was also a better passer while Hill might have been a better rebounder. Not sure if either had the exceptional killer instinct that Jordan (and then Kobe) possessed.
T-Mac was an awesome athlete and could flat out score. Similar to Kevin Durant with Durant being a little bit taller.
But, both guys needed the ball to be effective and both were basically small forwards. It would have been interesting to see them playing together in their primes while healthy. I think it would have worked if T-Mac was the main offensive weapon and if Grant Hill played more of a Scottie Pippen role on offense. They would have needed an inside presence to win a championship but both of them could still win over 50 games as the focal points. Would not have been as effective as the Jordan-Pippen combo in their prime, and probably not as effective as the LeBron-Wade combo, but McGrady-Hill combo would have been effective and worth watching.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 8:19am #581631
Memphis MadnessParticipantGrant Hill was closer to Penny Hardaway. A great, versatile talent who might have needed a great big man to really win. Penny seemed like he was a little more athletic and quicker though. Penny was also a better passer while Hill might have been a better rebounder. Not sure if either had the exceptional killer instinct that Jordan (and then Kobe) possessed.
T-Mac was an awesome athlete and could flat out score. Similar to Kevin Durant with Durant being a little bit taller.
But, both guys needed the ball to be effective and both were basically small forwards. It would have been interesting to see them playing together in their primes while healthy. I think it would have worked if T-Mac was the main offensive weapon and if Grant Hill played more of a Scottie Pippen role on offense. They would have needed an inside presence to win a championship but both of them could still win over 50 games as the focal points. Would not have been as effective as the Jordan-Pippen combo in their prime, and probably not as effective as the LeBron-Wade combo, but McGrady-Hill combo would have been effective and worth watching.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 8:48am #581644
RUDEBOY_ParticipantHill was very Marketable…He was named to the All-Star team as a starter as a Rookie..He was more of a complimentary player…But there are some who said he could’ve been another Jordan..Thats who folks were comparing him to his rookie year…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 8:48am #581408
RUDEBOY_ParticipantHill was very Marketable…He was named to the All-Star team as a starter as a Rookie..He was more of a complimentary player…But there are some who said he could’ve been another Jordan..Thats who folks were comparing him to his rookie year…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 12:00pm #581684
RicoParticipantWhen MJ retired everyone was asking whom the torch would be passed onto as the face of the NBA. There were really only two names, Kobe or Hill.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 12:00pm #581448
RicoParticipantWhen MJ retired everyone was asking whom the torch would be passed onto as the face of the NBA. There were really only two names, Kobe or Hill.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 1:53pm #581753
llperezjordan talked openly about who was the next in line to take his torch late in his career. He seemed to enjoy the topic. Before kobe, the debate was between hill and penny. I remember very specifically him saying he thought penny was better and more likey to take the torch then hill. Then around 2000 it became the kobe vs vince carter and jordan said only one of those 2 guys plays defense and until vince does its kobe.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 1:53pm #581515
llperezjordan talked openly about who was the next in line to take his torch late in his career. He seemed to enjoy the topic. Before kobe, the debate was between hill and penny. I remember very specifically him saying he thought penny was better and more likey to take the torch then hill. Then around 2000 it became the kobe vs vince carter and jordan said only one of those 2 guys plays defense and until vince does its kobe.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 5:46pm #581827
iguapops420ParticipantJordan speaks the truth. He still to this day says Kob is the best and recenty said he’s the future of the NBA. Why he said that I don’t , not sure if he realizes Kobe is naring his last years potentially. Perhaps he meant Kobe was going to be a guy who like Jordan is going to be mentioned as the man for the future even after he retires. A guy every player after him is compared to.
Btw Perez, you remember when Jordan pants Penny a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKlkf83qk3Q
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/30/2011 - 5:46pm #581588
iguapops420ParticipantJordan speaks the truth. He still to this day says Kob is the best and recenty said he’s the future of the NBA. Why he said that I don’t , not sure if he realizes Kobe is naring his last years potentially. Perhaps he meant Kobe was going to be a guy who like Jordan is going to be mentioned as the man for the future even after he retires. A guy every player after him is compared to.
Btw Perez, you remember when Jordan pants Penny a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKlkf83qk3Q
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:36am #582016
tuck243ParticipantGrant Hill wasn’t Penny, Grant Hill was considered LeBron before LeBron. He was supposed to take over the league and dominate. If you go look at his numbers they are better then what LeBron did early in his career. Grant was a Point-Forward more of a Point than Scottie n less of a Point than Penny. Similar passing game as LeBron (even tho Bron’s vision is better than all of them). That ankle messed up a Hall of Fame career, we might have been debating who’s better Kobe or Grant? Or the greatest SF of all-time G. Hill, Bird, or LBJ? Sad situation. IDK if Tracy’s game would have took off like that if Grant Hill was healthy, because in Toronto Tracy wasn’t NEAR the Tracy in Orlando. DAMN that ankle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:36am #581778
tuck243ParticipantGrant Hill wasn’t Penny, Grant Hill was considered LeBron before LeBron. He was supposed to take over the league and dominate. If you go look at his numbers they are better then what LeBron did early in his career. Grant was a Point-Forward more of a Point than Scottie n less of a Point than Penny. Similar passing game as LeBron (even tho Bron’s vision is better than all of them). That ankle messed up a Hall of Fame career, we might have been debating who’s better Kobe or Grant? Or the greatest SF of all-time G. Hill, Bird, or LBJ? Sad situation. IDK if Tracy’s game would have took off like that if Grant Hill was healthy, because in Toronto Tracy wasn’t NEAR the Tracy in Orlando. DAMN that ankle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:38am #582018
tuck243ParticipantRelevent and a ton of money by himself… INSANE!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:38am #581780
tuck243ParticipantRelevent and a ton of money by himself… INSANE!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:37am #582074
ghrghrParticipantGrant Hill had his best season just before getting injuried. He averaged 25 points, 6.6 rebounds and 5.2 assists, he could be the star on a championship team if he had some pieces around him. Nowadays he is nowhere what he was, but you can still see flashes of the genius he was. This guy was a complete player, and if he had added a 3pt shot earlier in his career he would have been unstopable.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:37am #581836
ghrghrParticipantGrant Hill had his best season just before getting injuried. He averaged 25 points, 6.6 rebounds and 5.2 assists, he could be the star on a championship team if he had some pieces around him. Nowadays he is nowhere what he was, but you can still see flashes of the genius he was. This guy was a complete player, and if he had added a 3pt shot earlier in his career he would have been unstopable.
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