[Forte IVParticipant]

Don’t really understand this for the Pacers honestly. Lavoy Allen also going to Pacers.

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 Holy sh! I’m curious about what this means with Lance in the off season since he’s a FA and Turner is a RFA

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 Holy sh! I’m curious about what this means with Lance in the off season since he’s a FA and Turner is a RFA

[sixersman111Participant]

 Kinda shocked both teams made this trade.  But Geogre and turner are pretty goods friends i believe so i guess it kinda makes sense for the pacers.  

[sixersman111Participant]

 Kinda shocked both teams made this trade.  But Geogre and turner are pretty goods friends i believe so i guess it kinda makes sense for the pacers.  

[HitsterParticipant]

 The 76ers have basically given up a number 2 pick for an expiring deal, no logic there. The Pacers get extra bench scoring and it gives their title hopes a nice boost and immediately get a possible safety net if someone offers Lance Stephenson an over generous deal. Also with Turner’s rights it gives them more leway in negoiations with Stephenson.

[runBruceParticipant]

It wasn’t a #2 pick for an expiring deal…..It was two expiring deals(Turner & Allen) for an expiring deal (Granger) and a 2nd round pick in 2015. It’s not a sexy deal, I’ll give you that, but it gets you something for nothing in the sense that Turner & Allen weren’t getting re-signed, and so you ship them out for a 2nd round pick(which stinks as compenstion but it had to be the best they could get ’cause Turner’s been on the market for 3 months)… and with granger’s contract, I believe it also keeps the Sixers over the league minimum salary(which dipping beneath has salary and cap implications). Not to mention it makes the Sixers worse so that they have the best chance at getting a top 2 or 3 pick. As a Sixers fan, it’s definetely not a sexy deal but I think it makes sense in the Grand scheme of the rebuild.

[runBruceParticipant]

It wasn’t a #2 pick for an expiring deal…..It was two expiring deals(Turner & Allen) for an expiring deal (Granger) and a 2nd round pick in 2015. It’s not a sexy deal, I’ll give you that, but it gets you something for nothing in the sense that Turner & Allen weren’t getting re-signed, and so you ship them out for a 2nd round pick(which stinks as compenstion but it had to be the best they could get ’cause Turner’s been on the market for 3 months)… and with granger’s contract, I believe it also keeps the Sixers over the league minimum salary(which dipping beneath has salary and cap implications). Not to mention it makes the Sixers worse so that they have the best chance at getting a top 2 or 3 pick. As a Sixers fan, it’s definetely not a sexy deal but I think it makes sense in the Grand scheme of the rebuild.

[HitsterParticipant]

 The 76ers have basically given up a number 2 pick for an expiring deal, no logic there. The Pacers get extra bench scoring and it gives their title hopes a nice boost and immediately get a possible safety net if someone offers Lance Stephenson an over generous deal. Also with Turner’s rights it gives them more leway in negoiations with Stephenson.

[KHAM83Participant]

 HH reporting Granger may be bought out, but I expect that’s speculation only. If so, the Hawks still have 5 million in Horford injury exemption we can spend.

[KHAM83Participant]

 HH reporting Granger may be bought out, but I expect that’s speculation only. If so, the Hawks still have 5 million in Horford injury exemption we can spend.

[MrManalo43Participant]

Dammit Hinkie! you were supposed to go for a late first rounder! why an expiring Contract!

on the other side, if we can resign Granger for another 2-3 years for a reasonable price, i’d be okay with it. still, if no one is in the market for a ball handling 2/3 who’s a spotty at best shooter, that’s a RFA this season, then you shoulda gone for at least a second rounder or two like the hawes trade!

on a side note for Hawes: HE WAS MY FAVORITE PLAYER, MAN! Noel isn’t big enough for the 5, he should stick to the 4! Hawes woulda been great at the 5, next to a not-so-stretch player like Noel!

 

[MrManalo43Participant]

Dammit Hinkie! you were supposed to go for a late first rounder! why an expiring Contract!

on the other side, if we can resign Granger for another 2-3 years for a reasonable price, i’d be okay with it. still, if no one is in the market for a ball handling 2/3 who’s a spotty at best shooter, that’s a RFA this season, then you shoulda gone for at least a second rounder or two like the hawes trade!

on a side note for Hawes: HE WAS MY FAVORITE PLAYER, MAN! Noel isn’t big enough for the 5, he should stick to the 4! Hawes woulda been great at the 5, next to a not-so-stretch player like Noel!

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Wow… Bird ain’t effin around.

This is a great deal because it gives the Pacers better bench production AND lowers salary which will give Pacers some more leverage in re-signing Stephenson. 

 

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Wow… Bird ain’t effin around.

This is a great deal because it gives the Pacers better bench production AND lowers salary which will give Pacers some more leverage in re-signing Stephenson. 

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 Huh?

Sixers don’t want Turner to walk for nothing, so they need either more picks or young talent for long-term development. 

So they rent Granger for the rest of the season? Plus, I consider Granger to be a reliable vet who is a great asset for a team during a championship push. 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 Huh?

Sixers don’t want Turner to walk for nothing, so they need either more picks or young talent for long-term development. 

So they rent Granger for the rest of the season? Plus, I consider Granger to be a reliable vet who is a great asset for a team during a championship push. 

 

 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 I can’t believe the 76ers didn’t get ANY picks for this

[runBruceParticipant]

 They did. They got a 2nd. I believe it was a 2015 2nd rounder.

[runBruceParticipant]

 They did. They got a 2nd. I believe it was a 2015 2nd rounder.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 I can’t believe the 76ers didn’t get ANY picks for this

[PrettyBoyPeeWeeParticipant]

bleacherreport.com/articles/1965699-nba-trade-deadline-2014-tracker-updates-reaction-and-analysis My 6ers also got a 2nd rounder to go with Granger. 

[PrettyBoyPeeWeeParticipant]

bleacherreport.com/articles/1965699-nba-trade-deadline-2014-tracker-updates-reaction-and-analysis My 6ers also got a 2nd rounder to go with Granger. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Good for Indiana. Their window to win is now. This is the best opportunity to be bigger, stronger, longer, and deeper than Miami. It might not work, but they are going for it and deserve praise. The Pacers are not going to ever pay the tax. They already paid Hibbert, George, Hill, and West. Copeland, Scola, and Mahinmi are making middle tier money. Someone is going to pay Lance Stephenson, and my hunch is that someone will pay Evan Turner enough to push him out of Indiana’s range (certainly if the plan works and they win a title). Scola and West are both 33 years old, but the miles on Scola are even beyond his age. This is their best chance in the next few years, and I love that they went out and raided the Philadelphia candy jar to be greedy.

I also love the possibility of them going big with Turner, Stephenson, George, West/Scola, and Hibbert.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Good for Indiana. Their window to win is now. This is the best opportunity to be bigger, stronger, longer, and deeper than Miami. It might not work, but they are going for it and deserve praise. The Pacers are not going to ever pay the tax. They already paid Hibbert, George, Hill, and West. Copeland, Scola, and Mahinmi are making middle tier money. Someone is going to pay Lance Stephenson, and my hunch is that someone will pay Evan Turner enough to push him out of Indiana’s range (certainly if the plan works and they win a title). Scola and West are both 33 years old, but the miles on Scola are even beyond his age. This is their best chance in the next few years, and I love that they went out and raided the Philadelphia candy jar to be greedy.

I also love the possibility of them going big with Turner, Stephenson, George, West/Scola, and Hibbert.

[jwall1Participant]

 It really does not make sense to me from Philly’s stand point also. Smart for the pacers though, will definitely give them leeway to resign Lance cheaper. And if he walks, I think Turner would fit in nicely. He and Lance are similar in that they are versatile 2 guards. Obviously Lance is better, but Turner would not be a bad replacement. 

[jwall1Participant]

 It really does not make sense to me from Philly’s stand point also. Smart for the pacers though, will definitely give them leeway to resign Lance cheaper. And if he walks, I think Turner would fit in nicely. He and Lance are similar in that they are versatile 2 guards. Obviously Lance is better, but Turner would not be a bad replacement. 

[reanimatorParticipant]

 The assumption is that Turner’s efficiency would rise and TO would drop coming off the bench in a smaller role. Other than that, Turner’s court vision is significantly better than Granger and should help keep their O from bogging down, plus they have more lineup possibilities. The spacing is going to be far from ideal but with the amount of second chance points that they will get from going super big……

[reanimatorParticipant]

 The assumption is that Turner’s efficiency would rise and TO would drop coming off the bench in a smaller role. Other than that, Turner’s court vision is significantly better than Granger and should help keep their O from bogging down, plus they have more lineup possibilities. The spacing is going to be far from ideal but with the amount of second chance points that they will get from going super big……

[laxmisonParticipant]

 Great trade for Indy , I love the way Turner been playing . I thought they were the best team in the league before and def. now. I believe its a good trade for philly too, because I think MCW and Turner wouldn’t be a great fit in the long run, Even though Granger hasn’t shown much this season , This is time to for him to show what he has left int he tank, If you can return to a 20PPG player, I think the Sixers will be set up perfectly for the future(MCW, Granger, Noel, Top 5 pick)

[laxmisonParticipant]

 Great trade for Indy , I love the way Turner been playing . I thought they were the best team in the league before and def. now. I believe its a good trade for philly too, because I think MCW and Turner wouldn’t be a great fit in the long run, Even though Granger hasn’t shown much this season , This is time to for him to show what he has left int he tank, If you can return to a 20PPG player, I think the Sixers will be set up perfectly for the future(MCW, Granger, Noel, Top 5 pick)

[220Participant]

I can certainly see the Pacers going big in the backcourt with Evan Turner and Lance Stephenson when George Hill is struggling. We can’t do more than wait and see how this pans out overall.

The 76ers clearly weren’t interested in bringing Turner back and with this deal were able to get more cap space by dealing Lavoy Allen as well. Allen had a solid playoff run in his rookie year, but hasn’t shown much improvement to validate the contract he recieved.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I was about to write the same thing. They might use Turner as primary ball handler whenever Hill struggles.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I was about to write the same thing. They might use Turner as primary ball handler whenever Hill struggles.

[220Participant]

I can certainly see the Pacers going big in the backcourt with Evan Turner and Lance Stephenson when George Hill is struggling. We can’t do more than wait and see how this pans out overall.

The 76ers clearly weren’t interested in bringing Turner back and with this deal were able to get more cap space by dealing Lavoy Allen as well. Allen had a solid playoff run in his rookie year, but hasn’t shown much improvement to validate the contract he recieved.

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

great trade for the pacers I love the mention of that big lineup they can go too with et lance George west and roy I was hoping theyd get rid of granger hes been playing terrible

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

great trade for the pacers I love the mention of that big lineup they can go too with et lance George west and roy I was hoping theyd get rid of granger hes been playing terrible

[bullsdynasty92Participant]

 It’s better than the production (or lack thereof) they were getting from Danny Granger. Miami is only 1 game back of the Pacers for the #1 spot, so they really needed more of a spark coming off the bench. I also like the idea of Stephenson and Turner working off each other when they’re both on the floor with the rest of the Pacers bench players. Indiana really needs the homecourt advantage rather than the Heat, so hopefully this trade will get them back on track. Looking at Indiana’s upcoming schedule, they have it pretty easy all the way up till March 4th with their meeting with the Warriors. In their upcoming schedule, they play the Bucks twice, the Lakers, the Celtics, and the Jazz. The Heat on the other hand, play the Thunder tonight, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Bobcats, and the Rockets. This trade should provide some bench production for the Pacers and push them ahead of the Heat. All in all, a decent pick up for the Pacers!

[bullsdynasty92Participant]

 It’s better than the production (or lack thereof) they were getting from Danny Granger. Miami is only 1 game back of the Pacers for the #1 spot, so they really needed more of a spark coming off the bench. I also like the idea of Stephenson and Turner working off each other when they’re both on the floor with the rest of the Pacers bench players. Indiana really needs the homecourt advantage rather than the Heat, so hopefully this trade will get them back on track. Looking at Indiana’s upcoming schedule, they have it pretty easy all the way up till March 4th with their meeting with the Warriors. In their upcoming schedule, they play the Bucks twice, the Lakers, the Celtics, and the Jazz. The Heat on the other hand, play the Thunder tonight, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Bobcats, and the Rockets. This trade should provide some bench production for the Pacers and push them ahead of the Heat. All in all, a decent pick up for the Pacers!

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Head scratcher.  No idea what Philly is doing.  If you’re going to trade Turner, at least get some potential assets to help rebuild, picks/young guys.  Awful deal for the Sixers.

 

Great deal for Indiana.  Granger was basically worthless.

 

 

 

 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Head scratcher.  No idea what Philly is doing.  If you’re going to trade Turner, at least get some potential assets to help rebuild, picks/young guys.  Awful deal for the Sixers.

 

Great deal for Indiana.  Granger was basically worthless.

 

 

 

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Looks like a nice move for the Pacers. They took Miami to the brink last year without Granger, now they have another injury insurance policy on the wing who is even more versatile. As much as Turner’s analytic shortcomings have been pointed out (his PER is 13.3, not great for a guy putting up 17/6/3.7), he should fill in for Granger’s production to this season and than some.

Have also liked the way he has played defense against Miami, remember his being a pest even in the 2011 Play-offs. The big line-up they could play could really cause problems as well, as BTPH pointed out. He’s not much of a shooter, but he should be a great role player for them. Granger’s durability had been a concern for a while and that is another good thing for the Pacers in this deal.

Turner was a good get back for them finally unloading Granger, who did some great things, though had become a huge contract to bare for a Pacers team that contended without him. The one decent thing for the 76ers is that they don’t have to worry about extending Turner. He was not exactly what they expected out of the 2nd pick, moving on is probably the best thing to do in the long run. Bottom line of the deal, Pacers make another deal that puts them in great position come play-off time.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Looks like a nice move for the Pacers. They took Miami to the brink last year without Granger, now they have another injury insurance policy on the wing who is even more versatile. As much as Turner’s analytic shortcomings have been pointed out (his PER is 13.3, not great for a guy putting up 17/6/3.7), he should fill in for Granger’s production to this season and than some.

Have also liked the way he has played defense against Miami, remember his being a pest even in the 2011 Play-offs. The big line-up they could play could really cause problems as well, as BTPH pointed out. He’s not much of a shooter, but he should be a great role player for them. Granger’s durability had been a concern for a while and that is another good thing for the Pacers in this deal.

Turner was a good get back for them finally unloading Granger, who did some great things, though had become a huge contract to bare for a Pacers team that contended without him. The one decent thing for the 76ers is that they don’t have to worry about extending Turner. He was not exactly what they expected out of the 2nd pick, moving on is probably the best thing to do in the long run. Bottom line of the deal, Pacers make another deal that puts them in great position come play-off time.

[Sewok15Participant]

Philly made this trade for two reasons. They wanted to get rid of Turner who is a player they had no interest in resigning. They wanted to add some salary to get to the salary cap floor of 52.8 million and avoid a penalty. They might even buy Granger out and let him sign with a contender this year.

This move makes sense from an Indy standpoint as well because Turner is a younger, healthier option off the bench than Granger. I don’t think he fits with the roster as well as Granger did with his 3 point shooting but you know more what you are getting with Turner. He does a lot of the same things Stephenson does but not as efficently. This move probably makes the most sense from an insurance standpoint for next year if the price tag gets too high on Lance.

The problem with ET is long as he’s neither efficient enough to justify a prominent offensive role nor well suited for a complementary one, he will continue to pose problems of utilization for whichever team employs him. I remember watching him in his younger days coming off the bench in Philly and he was a non-factor in many of these games. Obviously he has improved since then but he hasn’t improved enough to warrant the kind of role he will want in Indy.

[Sewok15Participant]

Philly made this trade for two reasons. They wanted to get rid of Turner who is a player they had no interest in resigning. They wanted to add some salary to get to the salary cap floor of 52.8 million and avoid a penalty. They might even buy Granger out and let him sign with a contender this year.

This move makes sense from an Indy standpoint as well because Turner is a younger, healthier option off the bench than Granger. I don’t think he fits with the roster as well as Granger did with his 3 point shooting but you know more what you are getting with Turner. He does a lot of the same things Stephenson does but not as efficently. This move probably makes the most sense from an insurance standpoint for next year if the price tag gets too high on Lance.

The problem with ET is long as he’s neither efficient enough to justify a prominent offensive role nor well suited for a complementary one, he will continue to pose problems of utilization for whichever team employs him. I remember watching him in his younger days coming off the bench in Philly and he was a non-factor in many of these games. Obviously he has improved since then but he hasn’t improved enough to warrant the kind of role he will want in Indy.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I can see why both teams did this. Sixers get worse and go into full tank mode while Pacers get deeper. Sixers did not want to resign Turner so getting anything is better than nothing. Pacers are really set for the future as well because if Lance does get offered too much then it’s hello Evan Turner. Win Win for both teams.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I can see why both teams did this. Sixers get worse and go into full tank mode while Pacers get deeper. Sixers did not want to resign Turner so getting anything is better than nothing. Pacers are really set for the future as well because if Lance does get offered too much then it’s hello Evan Turner. Win Win for both teams.

[Jester87Participant]

I don’t know how much the Pacers expect from Turner. I think they made this trade mostly for cap reasons. They are now far from the luxury tax and they will let Turner walk away this summer so that they will be able to keep Lance. Obviously Turner gives them a helpful secondary ball handler and he can work as Lance back up, but he’s a poor shooter, a below average defender and a bit of a pain in the ass as a teammate. He has decent per game numbers, but he was playing for a terrible team running at the fastest pace in the league and his shooting %s and turnovers numbers are really poor. Granger looked totally washed up and he was shooting so poorly that it would be hard to be worse, but I’m pretty sure they traded for Turner only because the Sixers were one of the few teams with cap space to get Granger’s contract and because ET’s deal ends this summer (while Thaddeus Young has 3 years left).

The Sixers clearly didn’t like Turner, they wanted to tank but they also didn’t want to commit cap space on him so they tried to get something, but his value isn’t that high (GMs actually watch games, nobody gets fooled with things like his ppg numbers). I’m pretty sure they tried to get a first round pick, but if the Bulls weren’t able to get a real first round pick for Deng (the one they got is so heavily protected that it’s likely to become a future second round pick) it’s not hard to understand why all they got is a second rounder. It will be interesting to see how much can Turner get in his free agency, he clearly has some talent but all the flaws in his game are also concerning.

 

[Jester87Participant]

I don’t know how much the Pacers expect from Turner. I think they made this trade mostly for cap reasons. They are now far from the luxury tax and they will let Turner walk away this summer so that they will be able to keep Lance. Obviously Turner gives them a helpful secondary ball handler and he can work as Lance back up, but he’s a poor shooter, a below average defender and a bit of a pain in the ass as a teammate. He has decent per game numbers, but he was playing for a terrible team running at the fastest pace in the league and his shooting %s and turnovers numbers are really poor. Granger looked totally washed up and he was shooting so poorly that it would be hard to be worse, but I’m pretty sure they traded for Turner only because the Sixers were one of the few teams with cap space to get Granger’s contract and because ET’s deal ends this summer (while Thaddeus Young has 3 years left).

The Sixers clearly didn’t like Turner, they wanted to tank but they also didn’t want to commit cap space on him so they tried to get something, but his value isn’t that high (GMs actually watch games, nobody gets fooled with things like his ppg numbers). I’m pretty sure they tried to get a first round pick, but if the Bulls weren’t able to get a real first round pick for Deng (the one they got is so heavily protected that it’s likely to become a future second round pick) it’s not hard to understand why all they got is a second rounder. It will be interesting to see how much can Turner get in his free agency, he clearly has some talent but all the flaws in his game are also concerning.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Turner’s shooting efficiency has been picked up on and if the 76ers were not looking to resign him then they needed to get something back but a 2nd rounder for a number 2 pick who was stuck behind Iggy for a couple of years and who is still on the upside is a poor return.

Philly it all really started going wrong when they let Iggy go in the Bynum/D12 trade and also lost Harkness and Vucevic. Once they moved Holliday last summer they were going into all out tank mode. They have still got Noel to come in, MCW is a ROY contender, they have moved Hawes so have gone all in to get a top 3 pick this year. Add in the likely pick from NOP in the 8 to 12 range so they do have draft options but desperately need to get one of the guys at the very top of the draft.

[Jester87Participant]

Deng is one of the best 2 way wing players in the league and the Bulls were able to get only a heavily protected first rounder for him. Franchises outside of NYC area are really careful about giving up first round picks. Plus, the Pacers aren’t interested in keeping him, so they are trading for just two-three months of ET.

[Jester87Participant]

Deng is one of the best 2 way wing players in the league and the Bulls were able to get only a heavily protected first rounder for him. Franchises outside of NYC area are really careful about giving up first round picks. Plus, the Pacers aren’t interested in keeping him, so they are trading for just two-three months of ET.

[runBruceParticipant]

 Yea but if they hang on to him just because of where they drafted him, they’re just doubling down on their draft failure. They have to evaluate the player they have as they are not what they want them to be. Value or return is dictated by the market not the team selling or the player being sold and certainly not the position he was drafted four yrs ago. The poor return you mention is because he was drafted #2 in 2010 but it was the pick or the oportunity to draft that high that had the "value". In other words, Turner hasn’t been worth a first round pick since they picked him in the first round. If he was worth anything more than a 2nd rounder, they would’ve sought that deal out. 

[runBruceParticipant]

 Yea but if they hang on to him just because of where they drafted him, they’re just doubling down on their draft failure. They have to evaluate the player they have as they are not what they want them to be. Value or return is dictated by the market not the team selling or the player being sold and certainly not the position he was drafted four yrs ago. The poor return you mention is because he was drafted #2 in 2010 but it was the pick or the oportunity to draft that high that had the "value". In other words, Turner hasn’t been worth a first round pick since they picked him in the first round. If he was worth anything more than a 2nd rounder, they would’ve sought that deal out. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Turner’s shooting efficiency has been picked up on and if the 76ers were not looking to resign him then they needed to get something back but a 2nd rounder for a number 2 pick who was stuck behind Iggy for a couple of years and who is still on the upside is a poor return.

Philly it all really started going wrong when they let Iggy go in the Bynum/D12 trade and also lost Harkness and Vucevic. Once they moved Holliday last summer they were going into all out tank mode. They have still got Noel to come in, MCW is a ROY contender, they have moved Hawes so have gone all in to get a top 3 pick this year. Add in the likely pick from NOP in the 8 to 12 range so they do have draft options but desperately need to get one of the guys at the very top of the draft.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Turner’s shooting efficiency has been picked up on and if the 76ers were not looking to resign him then they needed to get something back but a 2nd rounder for a number 2 pick who was stuck behind Iggy for a couple of years and who is still on the upside is a poor return.

Philly it all really started going wrong when they let Iggy go in the Bynum/D12 trade and also lost Harkness and Vucevic. Once they moved Holliday last summer they were going into all out tank mode. They have still got Noel to come in, MCW is a ROY contender, they have moved Hawes so have gone all in to get a top 3 pick this year. Add in the likely pick from NOP in the 8 to 12 range so they do have draft options but desperately need to get one of the guys at the very top of the draft.

[runBruceParticipant]

Yea but if they hang on to him just because of where they drafted him, they’re just doubling down on their draft failure. They have to evaluate the player they have as they are not what they want them to be. Value or return is dictated by the market not the team selling or the player being sold and certainly not the position he was drafted four yrs ago. The poor return you mention is because he was drafted #2 in 2010 but it was the pick or the oportunity to draft that high that had the "value". In other words, Turner hasn’t been worth a first round pick since they picked him in the first round. If he was worth anything more than a 2nd rounder, they would’ve sought that deal out.

[runBruceParticipant]

Yea but if they hang on to him just because of where they drafted him, they’re just doubling down on their draft failure. They have to evaluate the player they have as they are not what they want them to be. Value or return is dictated by the market not the team selling or the player being sold and certainly not the position he was drafted four yrs ago. The poor return you mention is because he was drafted #2 in 2010 but it was the pick or the oportunity to draft that high that had the "value". In other words, Turner hasn’t been worth a first round pick since they picked him in the first round. If he was worth anything more than a 2nd rounder, they would’ve sought that deal out.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Turner’s shooting efficiency has been picked up on and if the 76ers were not looking to resign him then they needed to get something back but a 2nd rounder for a number 2 pick who was stuck behind Iggy for a couple of years and who is still on the upside is a poor return.

Philly it all really started going wrong when they let Iggy go in the Bynum/D12 trade and also lost Harkness and Vucevic. Once they moved Holliday last summer they were going into all out tank mode. They have still got Noel to come in, MCW is a ROY contender, they have moved Hawes so have gone all in to get a top 3 pick this year. Add in the likely pick from NOP in the 8 to 12 range so they do have draft options but desperately need to get one of the guys at the very top of the draft.

[clayj44Participant]

What if they did it since they think that Lance may get paid too far out of their price range in the off season? So they got Turner to maybe fill in his role for next season since im sure there will be a good chance they could match any offer that Turner will receive. That’s what I initially thought of the trade, but right now with both him and Lance on the same team I dont really see how that is going to work out since they both need the ball in their hands to do their damage. Guess we will find out and see

[clayj44Participant]

What if they did it since they think that Lance may get paid too far out of their price range in the off season? So they got Turner to maybe fill in his role for next season since im sure there will be a good chance they could match any offer that Turner will receive. That’s what I initially thought of the trade, but right now with both him and Lance on the same team I dont really see how that is going to work out since they both need the ball in their hands to do their damage. Guess we will find out and see

[mabdi084Participant]

love it adds another playmaker

[mabdi084Participant]

love it adds another playmaker

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 SMh… Ima miss ET, Hinkie is in full tank mode

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 SMh… Ima miss ET, Hinkie is in full tank mode

[HitsterParticipant]

I’d have Turner at about $8 million a year for a renewal and Stephenson in roughly the same ballpark. Some team may offer Stephenson a bit more than they would offer Turner and Stephenson might push harder for a bigger deal as he isn’t coming off a lucrative rookie contract like Turner is.

Grainger could be brought out by the 76ers but the saving would not be that great and Grainger may look to absorb Turner’s minutes to put himself in the shop window for the summer. Grainger is still only 30 years old and with his injury issues hasn’t got that much mileage on the clock so if he could get 30mpg as a starter msybe put up 15 to 20ppg over the last 25 or so games he could get back on the radar on contending teams for the summer FA season.

Grainger may not be the 20ppg plus star player he once was but he probably has something to offer as a good complimentary starter or a top bench guy for a contender and can earn himself a decent contract. A team may not want to commit to 4 years on him but a 2 or 3 year deal for somewhere between MLE and $8 million a year could be fair value for him.

For every team chasing a LeBron, Bosh, Melo etc they will still need good role players around them and franchise players would like a quality complimentary player like Grainger alongside them and with roster spaces to be filled, I think Grainger will get reasonable offers if he looks sharp for the 76ers.

Also Grainger didn’t do a preseason really for the last two years so could really kick back into form next year if he gets a full summer’s rest and a good pre-season behind him. Grainger’s game wasn’t totally built on his athleticism so he can make up for the loss of a step by relying on his basketball IQ, experience, positioning to still get quality shots in.

Finally Grainger having been at the Pacers under Bird, Walsh and co is seen as a good character guy which a lot of teams will look for and this does his future options no harm.

[HitsterParticipant]

I’d have Turner at about $8 million a year for a renewal and Stephenson in roughly the same ballpark. Some team may offer Stephenson a bit more than they would offer Turner and Stephenson might push harder for a bigger deal as he isn’t coming off a lucrative rookie contract like Turner is.

Grainger could be brought out by the 76ers but the saving would not be that great and Grainger may look to absorb Turner’s minutes to put himself in the shop window for the summer. Grainger is still only 30 years old and with his injury issues hasn’t got that much mileage on the clock so if he could get 30mpg as a starter msybe put up 15 to 20ppg over the last 25 or so games he could get back on the radar on contending teams for the summer FA season.

Grainger may not be the 20ppg plus star player he once was but he probably has something to offer as a good complimentary starter or a top bench guy for a contender and can earn himself a decent contract. A team may not want to commit to 4 years on him but a 2 or 3 year deal for somewhere between MLE and $8 million a year could be fair value for him.

For every team chasing a LeBron, Bosh, Melo etc they will still need good role players around them and franchise players would like a quality complimentary player like Grainger alongside them and with roster spaces to be filled, I think Grainger will get reasonable offers if he looks sharp for the 76ers.

Also Grainger didn’t do a preseason really for the last two years so could really kick back into form next year if he gets a full summer’s rest and a good pre-season behind him. Grainger’s game wasn’t totally built on his athleticism so he can make up for the loss of a step by relying on his basketball IQ, experience, positioning to still get quality shots in.

Finally Grainger having been at the Pacers under Bird, Walsh and co is seen as a good character guy which a lot of teams will look for and this does his future options no harm.

[Jester87Participant]

What? Stephenson is two years younger than Turner, he plays both ends of the floor, has already proved he can be a quality player for a contender and he’s constantly improving. Turner is a bad defensive player, on offense he’s a good ball handler and passer, but he can’t hit jumpers from deep, he’s a bad finisher at the rim and he relies a lot on midrange game. He’s been disappointing in each of his season in the league except for this one, playing for one of the weakest teams in the last few years. And while his numbers are all up because of that, his game hasn’t improved much, so it’s fair not to expect great upside.

How can they get the same kind of contract in the free agency is beyond me. I think Turner will end up being overpaid by some team unable to get via free agency/trade their main targets, just as it happened for Brandon Jennings or OJ Mayo last summer. And I wouldn’t trust Lance out of Indianapolis’ environment. But I wouldn’t be surprised atall if Turner ends up signing for less money than he’s currently getting in his last year of his rookie deal. And of course he won’t get the same amount of money Stephenson will.

 

[runBruceParticipant]

 Yea, I will be really suprised if Turner gets Stephenson money. Turner isn’t a great defender but he’s not as bad as you say either, but he’s certainly not Stephenson.

[runBruceParticipant]

 Yea, I will be really suprised if Turner gets Stephenson money. Turner isn’t a great defender but he’s not as bad as you say either, but he’s certainly not Stephenson.

[Jester87Participant]

What? Stephenson is two years younger than Turner, he plays both ends of the floor, has already proved he can be a quality player for a contender and he’s constantly improving. Turner is a bad defensive player, on offense he’s a good ball handler and passer, but he can’t hit jumpers from deep, he’s a bad finisher at the rim and he relies a lot on midrange game. He’s been disappointing in each of his season in the league except for this one, playing for one of the weakest teams in the last few years. And while his numbers are all up because of that, his game hasn’t improved much, so it’s fair not to expect great upside.

How can they get the same kind of contract in the free agency is beyond me. I think Turner will end up being overpaid by some team unable to get via free agency/trade their main targets, just as it happened for Brandon Jennings or OJ Mayo last summer. And I wouldn’t trust Lance out of Indianapolis’ environment. But I wouldn’t be surprised atall if Turner ends up signing for less money than he’s currently getting in his last year of his rookie deal. And of course he won’t get the same amount of money Stephenson will.

 

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