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No rules..but I wanna see spirited debate!

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 You talking current NBA player or Prospect?

If it’s a current NBA player, I’d say Wiggins. Mostly because I wanna go young. He’s just an athletic beast. He can split through defenders with ease and he has a decent jumpshot with a 31% in three pointers. Wiggins along with Anthony Davis will be the Lebron and KD’s of the league when those two step down. Any team with Wiggins on will be a good team.

If it’s a prospect, I’m going to say Jaylen Brown. He along with Wiggins is an athletic beast. He’s also a player that isn’t ball dominant and that’s really good for a wing. He can split defenders and posterize anyone. He seems to have a really good feel for the game. Now, I know that Ben Simmons will be better all around. But I think that Jaylen can be the guy that just goes into the game and gets people pumped up, really easy.

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 You talking current NBA player or Prospect?

If it’s a current NBA player, I’d say Wiggins. Mostly because I wanna go young. He’s just an athletic beast. He can split through defenders with ease and he has a decent jumpshot with a 31% in three pointers. Wiggins along with Anthony Davis will be the Lebron and KD’s of the league when those two step down. Any team with Wiggins on will be a good team.

If it’s a prospect, I’m going to say Jaylen Brown. He along with Wiggins is an athletic beast. He’s also a player that isn’t ball dominant and that’s really good for a wing. He can split defenders and posterize anyone. He seems to have a really good feel for the game. Now, I know that Ben Simmons will be better all around. But I think that Jaylen can be the guy that just goes into the game and gets people pumped up, really easy.

 

 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Dennis Smith Jr, god willing he recovers from his recent knee injury, will be a game changer.

This kid is going to be everything Steve Franchise could have been if he had his head on straight- except better. He’s an absolute freak of nature athletically, 6’2, chiseled 190 frame, slick handle, a jumper that while it isn’t knock down all day, is far from the project guys like Derrick Rose and John Wall’s jumpers have proven to be. This guy when locked in can lock up any guy at his position with his length and lateral quickness. He’s an extremely good passer, and moves the ball willingly, not a Rondo passer only going for the direct assist. Everything hinges on him coming back 100% from his recent injury, but if that happens, watch out because he is the next great point guard in this league.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Still can’t believe he tore his ACL. The way he goes up for dunks is other-wordly. It looks too easy for him. AND he has a nasty handle. Hope he recovers well because I agree with you, he WILL be a game-changer.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Still can’t believe he tore his ACL. The way he goes up for dunks is other-wordly. It looks too easy for him. AND he has a nasty handle. Hope he recovers well because I agree with you, he WILL be a game-changer.

[SeanJ220Participant]

 Totall agree with this – he has the most upside of any prospect I have seen recently (yes, that includes Ben Simmons)

[SeanJ220Participant]

 Totall agree with this – he has the most upside of any prospect I have seen recently (yes, that includes Ben Simmons)

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Dennis Smith Jr, god willing he recovers from his recent knee injury, will be a game changer.

This kid is going to be everything Steve Franchise could have been if he had his head on straight- except better. He’s an absolute freak of nature athletically, 6’2, chiseled 190 frame, slick handle, a jumper that while it isn’t knock down all day, is far from the project guys like Derrick Rose and John Wall’s jumpers have proven to be. This guy when locked in can lock up any guy at his position with his length and lateral quickness. He’s an extremely good passer, and moves the ball willingly, not a Rondo passer only going for the direct assist. Everything hinges on him coming back 100% from his recent injury, but if that happens, watch out because he is the next great point guard in this league.

[AnuParticipant]

Ben Simmons:

At Best = LeBron James, Derrick Coleman
At Worst = Danny Manning, Lamar Odom

Win. Win.

[AnuParticipant]

Ben Simmons:

At Best = LeBron James, Derrick Coleman
At Worst = Danny Manning, Lamar Odom

Win. Win.

[high floorParticipant]

I know he arrived from a statistical standpoint last season, but soon those numbers are going to translate to perrenial victories of 50+ per season, no matter who his supporting cast is.

I heard that he’s been working on his 3pt shot a lot this season, and if he adds that to his bag we may be looking at one of the most unique talents in NBA history.

 

 

[high floorParticipant]

I know he arrived from a statistical standpoint last season, but soon those numbers are going to translate to perrenial victories of 50+ per season, no matter who his supporting cast is.

I heard that he’s been working on his 3pt shot a lot this season, and if he adds that to his bag we may be looking at one of the most unique talents in NBA history.

 

 

[rich.homie.mitchParticipant]

 Harry Giles

[rich.homie.mitchParticipant]

 Harry Giles

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

I think because of the right mentorship the Timberwolves staff has, Karl Towns looks like the "New" big every team potentially will try to draft and develop. A big who can sharp shoot from the perimeter, protect the rim, AND one who can post. Bigs who can post and protect the rim are a dying breed in the NBA. Towns potentially, thanks to a great staff in Minny, can be that big that can do all 3.

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

I think because of the right mentorship the Timberwolves staff has, Karl Towns looks like the "New" big every team potentially will try to draft and develop. A big who can sharp shoot from the perimeter, protect the rim, AND one who can post. Bigs who can post and protect the rim are a dying breed in the NBA. Towns potentially, thanks to a great staff in Minny, can be that big that can do all 3.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Kristaps Porzingas.  Unique skill set. Great size and length.  Plus he will play in the world’s most famous arena, or whatever they hype MSG as being.

You can probably count the number of legit Stretch 7 Footers on one hand.  

Kristaps will be on that hand.

Book it.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Amen. It’s so obvious too. Myles Turner is another one.

Guys here mentioning Wiggins and Anthony Davis, really going out on a limb with their predictions, lol.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Amen. It’s so obvious too. Myles Turner is another one.

Guys here mentioning Wiggins and Anthony Davis, really going out on a limb with their predictions, lol.

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Kristaps Porzingas.  Unique skill set. Great size and length.  Plus he will play in the world’s most famous arena, or whatever they hype MSG as being.

You can probably count the number of legit Stretch 7 Footers on one hand.  

Kristaps will be on that hand.

Book it.

 

 

 

[Toronto16Participant]

^^^ I’m going with Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Davis lol

[T Rex]

 The funny thing is, tons of guys have more upside than Wiggins.

[XYRYXParticipant]

Like Marcus Smart right?

[XYRYXParticipant]

Like Marcus Smart right?

[SeanJ220Participant]

 Name one current NBA player with more upside than Wiggins besides Anthony Davis?  He was the best athlete on the floor as a rookie in the majority of games he played in last year.  The look on LeBron James face after one play basically said "i can’t believe i forced them to trade this kid" when they went head to head last year.

[T Rex]

 Wiggins put up numbers on a terrible team, with a big smile on his face.

How many charges did he take? How much better did he make his teammates? How many times did he dive on the floor and sacrafice his fragile body? How many screens did he fight through?

Nobody even cares. 

Wiggins had the league worst overall +/-, and nobody even wants to question whether he had anything at all to do with it.

Smart is an infinitely better leader than Wiggins, plays with a much higher, much more infectious energy level, and sacrifices his body on every single possession.

Like Andre Drummond, Wiggins is a physical freak with a couple photogenic skills, who plays with a smile whether his team loses or loses.

And just like Drummond, Wiggins will always be coddled by fantasy basketball fans who are convinced of his greatness no matter how many devils are in the details.

Wiggins will always be skinny for a SF, will always be a shaky shooter for a SG, and will always play a bit smaller than he is, like Drummond always does.

Even Marcus Smart can take Wiggins out of a game mentally, like he did in college.

 

 

 

[SeanJ220Participant]

There’s no arguing with someone who simply doesn’t get it.  In two years he’ll be an MVP candidate, watch

[SeanJ220Participant]

There’s no arguing with someone who simply doesn’t get it.  In two years he’ll be an MVP candidate, watch

[T Rex]

 Wiggins put up numbers on a terrible team, with a big smile on his face.

How many charges did he take? How much better did he make his teammates? How many times did he dive on the floor and sacrafice his fragile body? How many screens did he fight through?

Nobody even cares. 

Wiggins had the league worst overall +/-, and nobody even wants to question whether he had anything at all to do with it.

Smart is an infinitely better leader than Wiggins, plays with a much higher, much more infectious energy level, and sacrifices his body on every single possession.

Like Andre Drummond, Wiggins is a physical freak with a couple photogenic skills, who plays with a smile whether his team loses or loses.

And just like Drummond, Wiggins will always be coddled by fantasy basketball fans who are convinced of his greatness no matter how many devils are in the details.

Wiggins will always be skinny for a SF, will always be a shaky shooter for a SG, and will always play a bit smaller than he is, like Drummond always does.

Even Marcus Smart can take Wiggins out of a game mentally, like he did in college.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 NBA players with more upside than Wiggins:

Smart – already an infinitely better defender, and actually more physically talented defensively. Because he’s stong as an ox, while sliding his feet even quicker than Wiggins does. Offensively, Smart has the better 3 point shot, and will show again this year the dominant ability to get to the FT line off of strong drives. Smart can play football every single game, while Wiggins plays Arthur Ashe style finesse tennis. Only problem is, Wiggins doesn’t have a lot of finesse. He’s no Reggie Miller.

Myles Turner – Positional value, superior, unblockable 3 point shot, makes all his teammates better by spreading the floor from the 4 or 5 spot, opening major space in the lane for his teammates to dribble drive. Also makes teammates better by protecting the rim and erasing mistakes by the perimeter defenders.

Porzingis – It should be obvious why he has more potential than Wiggins, but people will play dumb until the actual games start. Just like with Gobert.

Gobert – A much, much better defender than Wiggins, at a much more valuable position, with great versatility to be able to defend 4s and 5s. Offensively raw and not ultra-talented, but all he needs to do is get better at the easy shots, and be efficient like DeAndre Jordan. A slightly better DeAndre Jordan offensively, while being better than Jordan defensively, is a more valuable player than a skinny small forward who can’t shoot 3s at volume and % at the same time.

The league is full of quality SFs, with many more coming into the league every year.

Towns – has the same chill, friendly demeanor as Wiggins, but is a better outside shooter, has more defensive upside and current ability, and has a major positional value advantage over Wiggins.

John Wall – Wiggins should be so lucky as to ever get close to that good. Just assuming Wiggins can develop into a top defender like Wall is a huge assumption, and an assumption that Wiggins tools/mentality do not merit. Wiggins will always get pushed around by SFs, and he’s not a lock-down defender against SGs like you would expect him to be. Even with an Olympic bid on the line this summer, Wiggins wasn’t even a standout defender against sub-NBA talent.

Embiid, if he ever gets healthy.

Olynyk – Who stepped up with an Olymic bid on the line, and who disappeared like the ghost of a female dog? KO is a 7 footer with solid mobility, acceptable strength, and an absolutely complete set of offensive skills. Simply way more offensive talent than Wiggins, not only with skills like shooting and passing, but in basketball i.q. and positional value. Olynyk is the prototype of the New Age center, and he already impacts winning with his floor spacing way more than Wiggins does. 

All Olynyk needs to do is stay aggressive and confident. Wiggins needs to do a lot more than that, though his assertiveness as a rookie was admirable.

Greak Freak – there’s a whole other thread comparing Freak to Wiggins, and even if the case doesn’t convince you, I’m sure you appreciate that the argument is valid and debatable.

Nurkic – might be more valuable than Wiggins right now, and isn’t much older if at all. Elite combination of strength, agility, and scoring touch. Not to mention his positional value advantage over Wiggins.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ncballer]

 How can you put John Wall on this list, but not Terry Rozier?!?!? (This is sarcasm)

[T Rex]

 Rozier is probably a better shooter than Wiggins, and plays with a lot more fearlessness. Not to mention being a better defender already and just about as strong. Same athleticism.

Mentality is everything once you have the elite athleticism and coordination.

Rozier would not have disappeared like Wiggins did this summer with an Olympic bid on the line. He would have at least gone down swinging.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Rozier is probably a better shooter than Wiggins, and plays with a lot more fearlessness. Not to mention being a better defender already and just about as strong. Same athleticism.

Mentality is everything once you have the elite athleticism and coordination.

Rozier would not have disappeared like Wiggins did this summer with an Olympic bid on the line. He would have at least gone down swinging.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

“Nerves? Perhaps.
“It seemed like we were a little bit unsure, said Triano. “I think this is a great experience for our young kids, Kelly (Olynyk, masterful with 34 points) is one of our most veteran guys, he’s been here before . . . a lot of these other guys have not been in this climate.”
For most of the night they looked like it against a veteran, tough Venezuela side that will return to the Olympics for the first time since 1992, when they beat Canada in a one-game showdown.
None of Canada’s high-profile NBAers — who found things so easy in seven straight wins by more than 25 points — stepped up Friday night. Anthony Bennett didn’t score a single point, Andrew Wiggins had only nine and had no sustained impact on the game and Cory Joseph was saddled with two quick fouls and had only five points in just 22 minutes.”

[T Rex]

“Nerves? Perhaps.
“It seemed like we were a little bit unsure, said Triano. “I think this is a great experience for our young kids, Kelly (Olynyk, masterful with 34 points) is one of our most veteran guys, he’s been here before . . . a lot of these other guys have not been in this climate.”
For most of the night they looked like it against a veteran, tough Venezuela side that will return to the Olympics for the first time since 1992, when they beat Canada in a one-game showdown.
None of Canada’s high-profile NBAers — who found things so easy in seven straight wins by more than 25 points — stepped up Friday night. Anthony Bennett didn’t score a single point, Andrew Wiggins had only nine and had no sustained impact on the game and Cory Joseph was saddled with two quick fouls and had only five points in just 22 minutes.”

[T Rex]

 LeBron used to get a lot of critizism for not being clutch in the playoffs, and disappearing for key games.

Does anybody really think Wiggins is going to step up rather than shrink when he finally gets to the playoffs?

 

 

[T Rex]

 LeBron used to get a lot of critizism for not being clutch in the playoffs, and disappearing for key games.

Does anybody really think Wiggins is going to step up rather than shrink when he finally gets to the playoffs?

 

 

[T Rex]

 Game changer, lol. Recall how Wiggins also disappeared in the NCAA once he faced a seed above 15th or whatever.

 

 

Wiggins: 2014-03-23 Kansas N Stanford NCAA L 1 34min 1-6FG  0-2 from 3,  2-2FT  4reboundstotal 

 4 points total

 

[T Rex]

 Game changer, lol. Recall how Wiggins also disappeared in the NCAA once he faced a seed above 15th or whatever.

 

 

Wiggins: 2014-03-23 Kansas N Stanford NCAA L 1 34min 1-6FG  0-2 from 3,  2-2FT  4reboundstotal 

 4 points total

 

[ncballer]

 How can you put John Wall on this list, but not Terry Rozier?!?!? (This is sarcasm)

[T Rex]

 NBA players with more upside than Wiggins:

Smart – already an infinitely better defender, and actually more physically talented defensively. Because he’s stong as an ox, while sliding his feet even quicker than Wiggins does. Offensively, Smart has the better 3 point shot, and will show again this year the dominant ability to get to the FT line off of strong drives. Smart can play football every single game, while Wiggins plays Arthur Ashe style finesse tennis. Only problem is, Wiggins doesn’t have a lot of finesse. He’s no Reggie Miller.

Myles Turner – Positional value, superior, unblockable 3 point shot, makes all his teammates better by spreading the floor from the 4 or 5 spot, opening major space in the lane for his teammates to dribble drive. Also makes teammates better by protecting the rim and erasing mistakes by the perimeter defenders.

Porzingis – It should be obvious why he has more potential than Wiggins, but people will play dumb until the actual games start. Just like with Gobert.

Gobert – A much, much better defender than Wiggins, at a much more valuable position, with great versatility to be able to defend 4s and 5s. Offensively raw and not ultra-talented, but all he needs to do is get better at the easy shots, and be efficient like DeAndre Jordan. A slightly better DeAndre Jordan offensively, while being better than Jordan defensively, is a more valuable player than a skinny small forward who can’t shoot 3s at volume and % at the same time.

The league is full of quality SFs, with many more coming into the league every year.

Towns – has the same chill, friendly demeanor as Wiggins, but is a better outside shooter, has more defensive upside and current ability, and has a major positional value advantage over Wiggins.

John Wall – Wiggins should be so lucky as to ever get close to that good. Just assuming Wiggins can develop into a top defender like Wall is a huge assumption, and an assumption that Wiggins tools/mentality do not merit. Wiggins will always get pushed around by SFs, and he’s not a lock-down defender against SGs like you would expect him to be. Even with an Olympic bid on the line this summer, Wiggins wasn’t even a standout defender against sub-NBA talent.

Embiid, if he ever gets healthy.

Olynyk – Who stepped up with an Olymic bid on the line, and who disappeared like the ghost of a female dog? KO is a 7 footer with solid mobility, acceptable strength, and an absolutely complete set of offensive skills. Simply way more offensive talent than Wiggins, not only with skills like shooting and passing, but in basketball i.q. and positional value. Olynyk is the prototype of the New Age center, and he already impacts winning with his floor spacing way more than Wiggins does. 

All Olynyk needs to do is stay aggressive and confident. Wiggins needs to do a lot more than that, though his assertiveness as a rookie was admirable.

Greak Freak – there’s a whole other thread comparing Freak to Wiggins, and even if the case doesn’t convince you, I’m sure you appreciate that the argument is valid and debatable.

Nurkic – might be more valuable than Wiggins right now, and isn’t much older if at all. Elite combination of strength, agility, and scoring touch. Not to mention his positional value advantage over Wiggins.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SeanJ220Participant]

 Name one current NBA player with more upside than Wiggins besides Anthony Davis?  He was the best athlete on the floor as a rookie in the majority of games he played in last year.  The look on LeBron James face after one play basically said "i can’t believe i forced them to trade this kid" when they went head to head last year.

[T Rex]

 The funny thing is, tons of guys have more upside than Wiggins.

[Toronto16Participant]

^^^ I’m going with Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Davis lol

[Sand]

 Anthony Davis and Thon Maker

[Sand]

 Anthony Davis and Thon Maker

[dawsdabossParticipant]

Simi Sh.ittu

[dawsdabossParticipant]

Simi Sh.ittu

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Meyers Leonard

Nobody feels like being bold but I said this since he was at Illinois he has the complete package. A superathletic 7-footer with great agility and shooting touch. His defensive instincts have slowly improved although his rebounding still needs improvement.

He may not be a superstar but his skills will definitely make him a game changer. He should get the green light this year…watch out.

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Meyers Leonard

Nobody feels like being bold but I said this since he was at Illinois he has the complete package. A superathletic 7-footer with great agility and shooting touch. His defensive instincts have slowly improved although his rebounding still needs improvement.

He may not be a superstar but his skills will definitely make him a game changer. He should get the green light this year…watch out.

 

 

 

[redone1Participant]

I always hear Dennis Smith Jr’s. name when discussing the next great Point Guard. While I agree Smith has most of the box’s checked off for prototypical NBA point guard, I think Fox will end up being better. Fox is a bit taller, quite a bit longer and just as quick. IMO he is the best defensive guard to come out of High School since Avery Bradley/Jrue Holiday and I think he has more fluidity/athleticisim then either of those guys(and Holiday is considered one of the 5 best defensive point guards in the league). Can’t wait to see what Fox and Smith Jr do in College/nba.

[redone1Participant]

I always hear Dennis Smith Jr’s. name when discussing the next great Point Guard. While I agree Smith has most of the box’s checked off for prototypical NBA point guard, I think Fox will end up being better. Fox is a bit taller, quite a bit longer and just as quick. IMO he is the best defensive guard to come out of High School since Avery Bradley/Jrue Holiday and I think he has more fluidity/athleticisim then either of those guys(and Holiday is considered one of the 5 best defensive point guards in the league). Can’t wait to see what Fox and Smith Jr do in College/nba.

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