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- Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 9:03am #25299

valentineWestern Conference reserves
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas), Kevin Love (Minnesota)
Love 
Nowitzki If Carmelo Anthony wasn’t voted in by the fans, I’m not totally sold that he’d make the West roster, even when he’s rebounding the ball better than he ever has (8.0 rpg) and still scoring at an elite clip (23.6 ppg) in the face of the trade drama that has polluted the Rocky Mountain air since late September. That’s how deep the talent pool is on this side of the conference divide.
There is zero hesitation, furthermore, when it comes to the following claim: Nowitzki should and would be starting over Anthony at West forward if the coaches had any control there. Dirk was shooting a ridiculous 54.5 percent from the floor and playing MVP ball before a knee sprain that wound up costing him nine games … and the time away might have actually made a bigger impression on observers leaguewide who have grown somewhat numb to the German’s greatness because the Mavs were so unwatchable without him.
Yet nothing about this process is harder than settling on two more forwards to fill out the West’s roster, with as many worthy names in circulation as I can ever remember. Trust us: That point will be slammed home once you get to the full list of Westerners we’re snubbing here.
So how does Love snag the spot opposite Nowitzki when the menu is overflowing with choices? The Mavs’ Rick Carlisle publicly acknowledged this week that "the coaches’ vote is always tipped heavily toward winning" — and I know I’ve annoyed plenty of readers over the years with my own stubborn support of the same team-success doctrine — but I can’t ignore what Love is doing in the arctic climes of Sota. He’s assembling a historically special season that has convinced me that Carlisle and his peers, for once, are going to look past Minnesota’s 10-35 misery.
As you’ve surely heard by now, Love is bidding to become the first player since Moses Malone in 1982-83 to average 20 points and 15 boards for an entire season … except that Moses sure didn’t shoot 44.7 percent on 3s while he was vacuuming in board after board. It’s only a humble hunch, but something tells me Love is going to get as much or more support from the coaches as Blake Griffin, partly because rookies (fair or not) always have it tougher to score All-Star votes but also because the Wolves aren’t universally mocked like most 10-35 teams would be, since they’ve been in so many games before their youth eventually doomed them in crunch time.
It also doesn’t hurt that folks are still buzzing about the magical 30/30 game Love uncorked against New York, which is something else we haven’t seen since Moses did it in the ’82-83 season.
Center: Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)

Gasol Tyson Chandler, Nene and Emeka Okafor are all having impactful seasons as legit centers in the West. But this conference is so absurdly deep that there’s no way West coaches can even try to find room for one of the other 5s who appeared on the ballot with the injured Yao Ming. Not when there are so many studly West forwards who demand consideration and not when, as Professor Hollinger so thoroughly explained earlier this week, we’ve long since reached the stage where it’s time to think in terms of "bigs" as opposed to old-school centers.
You can thus rest assured that the coaches are going to the accept the NBA’s invitation to apply the sort of points-wings-bigs thinking Hollinger outlined and, as stated right in the e-mail coaches get from the league office, make their selections based on what’s "most advantageous for the All-Star team."
Unfortunate as that is for the likes of Chandler — who didn’t even appear on the ballot but is from Los Angeles and has a case to make his All-Star breakthrough in his hometown after helping Dallas forge its most credible defensive identity of the Mark Cuban era — Gasol looms as the obvious choice to be voted in as the backup 5-man. Given how much the champs relied on him to play center early in the season while waiting for Andrew Bynum‘s return from offseason knee surgery and how much they still ask him to play there when Phil Jackson wants max mobility, Gasol getting the West’s backup spot would only be appropriate.
Despite a so-so December based on the Spaniard’s high standards, Gasol has given the Lakers plenty of his typical reliability and versatility, contributing 18.6 points, 10.5 rebounds, 3.9 assists and 1.9 blocks while averaging 37.3 minutes and missing zero games so far.
Guards: Manu Ginobili (San Antonio), Deron Williams (Utah)

Williams 
Ginobili Reinforcing the long-held notion that the Spurs are at their most dangerous when their crafty Argentine lefty is healthy, Ginobili has been the best player on the league’s best team through the season’s opening half. Which makes him an automatic.
D-Will, meanwhile, has carried one of the biggest loads in basketball and remains as individually dangerous as ever, despite being stripped of pick-and-roll partner Carlos Boozer and surrounded by new guys. The way he’s coped without Boozer and all the changes in Utah puts him just ahead of Russell Westbrook in our backcourt pecking order, since D-Will doesn’t have the benefit of playing alongside anyone in Durant’s zip code.
Wild cards: Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City), Blake Griffin (Los Angeles Clippers)

Griffin 
Westbrook I’m sure some voters are going to have Westbrook ahead of Williams on the West ladder given the leap made to elite status by the Thunder’s springy lead guard … and the way Utah has been sliding this month in spite of D-Will’s nightly damage. I can handle that.
What you absolutely can’t do is leave Griffin off this roster.
I know it’s out there, but I’m not sure anyone is really listening any more to the stuff about how rookies never make it. Or the usual deterrent about how voting for Griffin and Love means putting two youngsters from losing teams on the squad at the expense of all those snubees from more successful programs. Point blank: Griffin, like Love, is in the midst of a for-the-ages season. He’s almost made you forget last season’s knee injury ever happened, displayed more all-around ability with his passing and board work than anyone imagined and has rebranded the Clippers into a relevant and borderline popular operation in one half-season.
Throw in the fact he was born to play in this game with his inimitable rim-assaulting skill set and Griffin has to be just the second rookie since 1980 — joining Tim Duncan — to be selected by the coaches. If there’s any debate, it should only be about whether Griffin belongs in Nowitzki’s section, with Love dropping down into the wild cards.
(P.S.: Something tells me this season will be the last time for a long time that we have to worry about whether the coaches vote for Griffin.)
(P.P.S.: Can’t lie — It does worry me for Blake’s chances whenever someone reminds me that not even LeBron James was voted onto the East squad as a rook in 2004.)
West snubs: Tim Duncan (San Antonio), Steve Nash (Phoenix), LaMarcus Aldridge (Portland), Zach Randolph (Memphis), Monta Ellis (Golden State), Kevin Martin (Houston), Tony Parker (San Antonio), Eric Gordon (Los Angeles Clippers), David West (New Orleans), Rudy Gay (Memphis), Lamar Odom (Los Angeles Lakers), Luis Scola (Houston).
You counted right. That’s another dozen luminaries out West with legit All-Star credentials … which easily could have stretched to 15 by adding Chandler, Okafor and Nene.
The mere order that they’re listed in here is bound to cause arguments, but Duncan shows up first — even ahead of our beloved Nash — because (A) San Antonio deserves more than one All-Star more than anyone else with that 39-7 record and (B) it’s widely assumed that West coaches won’t be able to resist voting for Timmay in a nod to the graceful manner in which he’s accepted his diminished role (13.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 29.4 mpg) and still holds it all together chemistry-wise in the Alamo City.
You likewise get the feeling that David Stern will make Duncan his Commissioner’s Pick to replace Yao if the coaches don’t pick him … so I decided to bank on that and leave him available to Stern.
Either way? Don’t think I could ever mount a passionate protest against Duncan, who has to be on the team (and will be) one way or another.
As for the rest? I feel undeniable sympathy for Aldridge and Randolph especially — ditto for Ellis and Martin in the backcourt — but this is what the West is even after all of last summer’s free-agent defections to the East.
Flat-out loaded.
The Line’s 1-7 West Order:
1. Ginobili, 2. Nowitzki 3. Williams, 4. Gasol, 5. Love, 6. Griffin, 7. Westbrook
Eastern Conference reserves
Forwards: Chris Bosh (Miami), Kevin Garnett (Boston)

Bosh 
Garnett No one got more heat for Miami’s 9-8 start than Bosh, but you scarcely remember that now because he was such a steady Heatle during the 21-1 surge after the infamous team meeting in Dallas on Nov. 27. And you can already see how much Miami misses its only reliable big man, after just three games without Bosh thanks to an ankle injury expected to shelve him for a week or two.
Paul Pierce has likewise been an overlooked source of dependability for the injury-hit Celtics — averaging a team-best 19.1 points on 51.4 percent shooting from the field, 42.6 percent shooting on 3s and 85.3 percent shooting from the line — but I’m taking advantage of the invitation coaches get to ignore the positions guys play for their primary employers and shifting Pierce to guard to counter the East’s well-chronicled lack of backcourt depth.
My other forward spot thus goes to Garnett, who was inching back toward his Year 1-in-Boston form before the calf injury that knocked him out for nine games. The way he’s quickly hushed the doubters who said we’d never see this KG again and his usual impact as Boston’s defensive anchor makes Garnett as automatic as Pierce with East coaches … no matter what they think of his various flaps with Charlie Villanueva, Howard, etc.
Center: Al Horford (Atlanta)

Horford This spot almost surely would have belonged to Chicago’s Joakim Noah had Noah (thumb) not missed the past 21 games.
Horford, though, still might have made the East squad for the second consecutive season after landing one of the league’s few contract extensions for the draft class of 2007 just before the extension deadline on Halloween and then supplanting $120 million man Joe Johnson as the most reliable Hawk.
Guards: Paul Pierce (Boston), Rajon Rondo (Boston)

Rondo 
Pierce Pierce, as stated, has to get a spot for the high efficiency he’s maintained in the face of a heavy, heavy burden caused by the Celts’ various injuries to Garnett, Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, Jermaine O’Neal and Delonte West.
Rondo, though, tends to leave you with the same impression, despite those 11 games he’s missed. There is undeniable frustration when you see Rondo’s 47.1 percent shooting at the line — he’s made only 24 free throws in 33 games — but he’s the league leader in assists as a Stocktonesque 13-dimes-a-game guy while ranking No. 2 in steals behind MVP candidate Chris Paul.
Wild cards: Carlos Boozer (Chicago), Ray Allen (Boston)

Allen 
Boozer Don’t have a great argument for ruling out Noah when Boozer has missed almost as many games (18 to Noah’s 21). But the Bulls are 20-7 record with their new 20-and-10 power forward in the lineup and have maintained their spot as the league’s No. 1 team in defensive efficiency without Noah. Which might be all the justification we need, although Kurt Thomas‘ effectiveness as a fill-in is a huge factor there, too.
Our final spot, then, comes down to New York’s Raymond Felton and Allen … with the elder Ray winning out because of the consistently deadly shooting (50.5 percent from the floor, 45.3 percent on 3s, 86.5 percent from the line) that has made him as feared at 35 as he’s ever been when it comes to crunch-time clutchness.
If the coaches go with Allen, too, that’ll almost certainly mean that four of the East’s seven reserve spots are claimed by members of the Celtics. There’s an equally good chance that the coaches, as we did here, wind up choosing seven Easterners out of 12 from Boston and Miami.
Have to confess, however, that I’m more comfortable with that lopsided proposition than sending two Knicks in spite of all the November and December raves for Felton. The Knicks and their point guard have dropped off noticeably in January to make it a must to make room for Allen.
The snubs: Joakim Noah (Chicago), Raymond Felton (New York), Joe Johnson (Atlanta), Andrew Bogut (Milwaukee) and Josh Smith (Atlanta)
There are not nearly as many snubees in the East, but here are five good names.
Noah, as stated, heads this group and only lost out through injury. The exclusions of Felton (shooting 36.3 percent from the field in the Knicks’ 5-9 slide), Johnson (haven’t forgotten his iffy November or his ongoing 3-point woes) and our man Bogut (dragged down by Milwaukee’s unexpected struggles and 41.7 percent shooting at the line) were tough but unavoidable.
And Stein Line favorite Josh Smith, like Joe Johnson, couldn’t quite displace Horford to fill the East’s lone opening for Hawk.
The Line’s 1-7 East Order:
1. Bosh, 2. Pierce, 3. Garnett, 4. Rondo, 5. Horford, 6. Allen, 7. Boozer
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 9:44am #480253

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantOne player from a team 39-7 team. Sooooooo emblematic of ESPN’s view of the Spurs.
But he did reach to find a way to get a second Bull. Sure, Boozer has missed half the games, but the Bulls are 32-14. You would think that would be hypocritical given he had no problem ignoring the Spurs, but that is how ESPN rolls. They like their analysts pandering to the big markets and pumping up players who do interviews and commercials on their airways.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 9:48am #480255

TRC1991Participanti hate to bring this up…..but is rondo playing at an all-star level? 10-12-4? over felton who is putting up 19 and 8
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 9:51am #480259
LAKE SHOWBecause rondo doesn’t have to score in order for his FIRST PLACE team to win. Can’t just look at numbers
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 9:53am #480262

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantRondo
10.5 PPG
12.5 APG- 1st in the NBA
4.5 RPG- 5th among point guards
2.4 SPG- 2nd in the NBA
51.6 FG%- 3rd among point guards
35-11- 1st in the East
YES, he is playing at an All-Star level.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 9:59am #480268
LAKE SHOWI like alot of his reasoning. Its very tricky because just because someone is on the best team doesn’t mean they are the best player at there position, but at the same time what they do is the reason there team is so good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:02am #480293

mikeyvthedonParticipantBut we will find out on February 3 if he is right. To me Griffin is a better player than Kevin Love, even if Love’s rebounding numbers make some here think otherwise. Wonder who why he leaves out the fact that their will be a replacement for Yao Ming? Less of a chance to be wrong? Sometimes, these guys (ESPN) just refuse to make a stand. It is funny, since their predictions are so often way off base. Sadly, some kids (and older people), use them as about their only source. Have to have variety my friends, see the story from every side, not just Disney.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:20am #480300
LAKE SHOWPretty much every site has way off base picks( this site has had a couple as well as Cnnsi,usa today etc) its all opinion and guess work.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 3:44pm #480407

NYCrealdealParticipantrewarding good players on great teams but if thts ur way of thinking then put in duncan and parker in for the west team put parker in for westbrook and asuming pau would be yao’s replacment put duncan in for the backup C
if you dont have them then why have 4 celtics in the allstar team rondo deserves pierce deserves it
but why not put in JJ in instead of ray ray or josh smith instead of KG or bosh ATL is still a good team
all im saying if you believe great teams should be rewarded with allstars then do it dnt just do it for one and not the other
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 4:33pm #480419

KayjayParticipant1. Kevin Love is playing on an all star level whether people want to argue Griffin is a better player or not. Kevin Love has also been in the buisness longer. I love Griffin as much as the next guy, but Griffin is still technically a rookie. Lets raise off his nuts a little bit.
2. Why is it, that people believe to be a great point guard your numbers have to be exceptionally high in the points category? Sure it helps when you can make the shots down the stretch the rest of your team has trouble making. But isn’t the point of being a PG supposed to be to get your teammates all playing on the same rhythm. To get your whole team going? I guess I’m just in favor of the pass first point guard, but seriously points aren’t everything when your a PG. Jason Kidd is proof of that.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/29/2011 - 6:56pm #480504

marcusfizer21ParticipantI’m still keeping my fingers crossed on Josh Smith making it…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/30/2011 - 9:05am #480578
LAKE SHOWExactly Kayjay. These days if you score the most points then you must be the best point guard. what sense does that make. Its supposed to be the best point guard is the guy who makes others better, get the ball to the guys in the right position and rack up assists. Points is a plus but passing is supposed to be the main goal since its you’re job to make others better. These days if you score more and more flashy then you must be the best Point guard. If Stockton played today people would probably have him outside of the top 5 PG in the game
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