[JDB12Participant]

 I think this guy gets so much hate for making a lot of basketball plays that unfortunately end in what are perceived as dirty plays. Let’s clear this up right away, my definition of a dirty player is someone who intentionally tries to hurt other players.

Last year with both the kick to Harden and Adams were both clear basketball plays. With the first Adams play, do you really think that while on a fastbreak with his focus on scoring a basket you think he’s gonna make kicking Steven Adams in the nuggets over scoring? No, that play was definitively clear that he was making strictly a basketball play. The second one I agree looks more controversial, and he wasn’t necessarily making a basketball play, but I don’t think it was dirty because I think it was simply a result of him flopping. Not him intentionally trying to harm Adams.  With the Harden kick, that was simply a result of him being under the basket and trying to score.  Since he was under the backboard he had to jump backwards a little bit, and with that, biomechanically speaking, one of his feet is going to kick out to help him balance his body moving backwards.  If his body doesn’t subconsciously kick while attempting the shot, he’ll end up flat on his back.  

His incident with Marcus Smart, Draymond got tripped up maybe a second before Klay runs around Green to get open, and Smart, who was guarding Klay, follows him and runs right into Draymond who is just getting up and trying to protect himself from Smart running into him, completely reactionary.

Him grabbing the ball from Conley, just finishing the play until the whistle is blown. Yes, it may have been perceived as "rough" but he wasn’t trying to step on or intentionally hurt Conley.

And most recently, tonight with hard foul on LeBron. If anyone who knows anything about basketball looks at this closely they will see that Draymond was making a play on the ball and ONLY the ball.  Draymond was coming from LeBron’s side,  and looked like he would be able to run across LeBron and steal it from his right hand before LeBron can react. However, right as Draymond gets there LeBron crosses to he left causing Draymond to reach back to try to poke it out which you can clearly see him attempt. Unfortunately, with his decision to reach back to try to poke the ball out he is unable to get out of the LeBron’s way and of course LeBron flops to make it look worse than it was.  I agree, watching it live I thought it was a dirty play, but upon further inspection it’s clear that it was simply a basketball play that went bad.

Now I’m not saying Draymond is in any way an angel and does nothing wrong. But I just don’t like when people are perceived as something they’re really not. And to his credit he handles being the villain great, and it doesn’t appear to bother him, but he’s not what many people think he is. He has definitely done some questionable things, but he’s not out there trying to intentionally hurt people like a Ndamukong Suh. He is simply an instigator and the junk yard dog on that team. He talks his trash, he does get tangled up with his opponenets, he fouls hard and he definitely does flop. But that doesn’t make him dirty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CynthiaParticipant]

There’s no question he’s a dirty player, and anyone outside of the Warriors fans knows it. That being said there are a lot of dirty players in the league. The difference is most players go unnoticed because they’re sneaky or try to play it off; Draymond on the other hand is very blatant and simply doesn’t care.

The reason he doesn’t care is because the league is not doing much of anything about it. He’s like a criminal that found out that he can do anything he wants and not get in trouble for it, so he just keeps doing it over and over and smiles while doing it.

This is why he "handles being the villain great" as you say, because he simply knows he will have little to no consequences for it. This is one of the many reasons why most NBA fans dislike them, the league has shown an overwhelming bias towards the Warriors since last year. It’s not that we are haters, it’s that we like basketball and like more than just 1 team, so we get sick of hearing about the same team day in and day out.

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 When I was so much younger, younger than I am today.  I went to a basketball camp where a UnNammed Player was one of the guest players.  he spent a hour, teaching us tricks to "Gain a advantage" it wasn’t dirty basketball, it was doing all the little things,  looking back he was basiccally teaching us how to cheat and not get caught.

 

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Draymond is a Dirty player. I compare his to Vontaze Burfict of the Cinci Bengals. 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 

 this is not a double post, I just doubled down on my own awesomeness.

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

There’s no defense that can be made for the 2nd one against Steven Adams last year. And I love how everyone becomes a physicist when talking about his legs flailing. “Biomechanically speaking” yeah his leg will act as a counterbalance, but his foot is going over his head, and the timing of when it flies up doesn’t look natural. It goes up really fast and really late, whereas every other time I see someone else do it, it’s a slower and progressive movement. Look at the one he had against Marquese Chriss, nothing about it looked natural. Yeah he may just be flopping instead of trying to kick people, but if his mindset is “I’m gonna flop to get this call and if I hurt someone, f**k it”, that makes him dirty

[benny15Participant]

 i almost thought hype made this post since its this kind of anti masses oppinion that he lives on. on the matter at hand, its basically pointless to convinve others of their oppinion on draymopnd green. if you think he’s dirty, then you wont be convinced otherwise. if you think he just makes physical basketball plays, then you wont change your mind just the same.

whats more ironic is that theres as much people complaining about green as there are those that complain that the league is so soft now but they never argue with each other. its either one side stays quiet and waits for their chance to rant or the complaints are comming from the same people who are more subjective than what they believe themselves to be. 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

I dont define a player as a guy that intentionally attempts to injure opposing players. To me a dirty player is a player that plays wrecklessly and does attempt not to injure the opposing players. For instance in soccer if you make a sliding tackle with the kleets up it is a dangerous play whether its a play on the ball or an attempt to injure. Excessive physicality with or without an attempt to injure is dirty. You can play a physical brand of basketball without.being reckless just ask Kawhi Leonard. Green is just dirty and quite frankly it helps GSW win gamea.

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

 I haven’t heard has the flagrant been downgraded to a common foul yet or has the NBA commented on if it will or will not be?

i hate calling flagrants solely based on the reaction of they guy who gets fouled. Example, If a player going for a dunk gets undercut and keeps his balance as he comes down it’s probably called a common foul. Yet same play the dunker loses balance falls down hard or embellishes a call then it’s a flagrant 1/2. 

All it does is promote flopping, that Green foul shouldn’t have been a flagrant imo.

[binetParticipant]

 With all the controversy on the referees right now, I don’t think bringing to much buzz on that foul is a good move. It’s going to be polemic, just because it’s Green and LeBron. They won’t change the call and have some national TV debate on LeBron’s flopping and referees making bad calls in that context.

 

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