[220Participant]

 I can’t help but laugh how many times I’ve heard that the 76ers should just draft Brandon Ingram because he fits better with the 76ers current roster. What 10 win team is making choices based on their current roster? At least half the roster needs to go and at least half of the remaining players are likely to find themselves hugging the bench. Now I get that Ben Simmons likely creates more of a logjam if he plays the four, but in all honesty it’s not like Jahlil Okafor or Joel Embiid will be able to play the four defensively. Noel can defend at the four, but offensively he’s all center. So perhaps if Dario Saric comes over it gives the Sixers one building block at the four currently. Sam Hinkie screwed the 76ers taking three centers in three drafts in a row. They have to deal with it likely through trades, but the 76ers would be foolish to pass on Simmons just because of a front court that needs an overhaul.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

I agree with you that you’re not really thinking about team needs at 10 wins. But if Simmons plays 4 full time. A top draft pick is going to be out of the mix. 

In my opinion Ingram is the better fit. It’s not like you are debating much of a difference in players. Ingram is worthy if not more worthy of a number one selection. 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

I agree with you that you’re not really thinking about team needs at 10 wins. But if Simmons plays 4 full time. A top draft pick is going to be out of the mix. 

In my opinion Ingram is the better fit. It’s not like you are debating much of a difference in players. Ingram is worthy if not more worthy of a number one selection. 

[220Participant]

 If the 76ers decide Brandon Ingram’s their guy then by all means they should take him. Ingram has a clear cut fit in the NBA and he’s got incredible offensive and defensive versatility. He’s just weak for now, but thankfully thin guys like Kevin Durant and Tayshaun Prince lessen the concerns about his thin body. Ben Simmons on the other hand has uncommon ability for a player his size. The ball handling skills, passing, rebounding, and finishing are quite impressive. Unfortunately he has more question marks due to the fact his team wasn’t very good, he seems overly mellow, and he can’t shoot. In today’s NBA with less physicality and more emphasis on the 3 it’s easy to imagine Ingram being more effective than Simmons.

 I think no matter what happens with the top pick a previous top pick or two is going to be in a hard spot. I just hope whoever the 76ers take they get it right. Those fans deserve to see some freaking progress after the Sam Hinkie debacle.

 

[220Participant]

 If the 76ers decide Brandon Ingram’s their guy then by all means they should take him. Ingram has a clear cut fit in the NBA and he’s got incredible offensive and defensive versatility. He’s just weak for now, but thankfully thin guys like Kevin Durant and Tayshaun Prince lessen the concerns about his thin body. Ben Simmons on the other hand has uncommon ability for a player his size. The ball handling skills, passing, rebounding, and finishing are quite impressive. Unfortunately he has more question marks due to the fact his team wasn’t very good, he seems overly mellow, and he can’t shoot. In today’s NBA with less physicality and more emphasis on the 3 it’s easy to imagine Ingram being more effective than Simmons.

 I think no matter what happens with the top pick a previous top pick or two is going to be in a hard spot. I just hope whoever the 76ers take they get it right. Those fans deserve to see some freaking progress after the Sam Hinkie debacle.

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Philadelphia cannot draft for fit, but you can draft for identity. Philadelphia has misfit parts, and it has not helped their young players over the past three years. They have to make a decision as to who do they want to be the guys they build around, and identify what style of ball they will be playing that will best cater those players. It is not a situation where there is one right answer. You can go a lot of different ways in how you build your team, but there has to be a decision. Simmons or Ingram? Okafor or Noel? They have no choice but to wait on Embiid, so that will add another decision in a year. I think Simmons is the only "build around" guy. If they agree and that means dealing Dario Saric (who I also like) and Jerami Grant to surround Simmons with guys who better complement his game, then so be it. Maybe Saric and Grant thrive if they find a better fit, but that is part of actually building a team and putting your team in the best position possible. If they think Ingram can turn into a Paul George like player and want to take him, but it means he has to play the 2 for a few years, then they alter their other moves in the offseason to better aid his development. They have a boatload of money that they will have to spend to get to the cap floor, so who they finished the season with does not matter. What I really do not want to see is them take Simmons, bring in Saric, keep all three big men, give a contract to Ish Smith to be their interim point, and have a team where no one complements each other. If you do that, you waste another year.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Philadelphia cannot draft for fit, but you can draft for identity. Philadelphia has misfit parts, and it has not helped their young players over the past three years. They have to make a decision as to who do they want to be the guys they build around, and identify what style of ball they will be playing that will best cater those players. It is not a situation where there is one right answer. You can go a lot of different ways in how you build your team, but there has to be a decision. Simmons or Ingram? Okafor or Noel? They have no choice but to wait on Embiid, so that will add another decision in a year. I think Simmons is the only "build around" guy. If they agree and that means dealing Dario Saric (who I also like) and Jerami Grant to surround Simmons with guys who better complement his game, then so be it. Maybe Saric and Grant thrive if they find a better fit, but that is part of actually building a team and putting your team in the best position possible. If they think Ingram can turn into a Paul George like player and want to take him, but it means he has to play the 2 for a few years, then they alter their other moves in the offseason to better aid his development. They have a boatload of money that they will have to spend to get to the cap floor, so who they finished the season with does not matter. What I really do not want to see is them take Simmons, bring in Saric, keep all three big men, give a contract to Ish Smith to be their interim point, and have a team where no one complements each other. If you do that, you waste another year.

[220Participant]

I think you hit the nail on the head there. The 76ers have to decide how they want to build their team. I imagine the 76ers will build together being a fast paced team which possibly edges toward keeping Noel and Embiid over Okafor. I think there is a good chance that they’ll keep all three big guys this whole season or the majority of the season and trade one of them or more than one of them by the deadline or at the draft. I think they’ll really want to really take a hard look at all three of them before making a choice.

I think the very thing you don’t want to see keeping all three big guys, drafting Simmons, bring over Saric, and signing Ish Smith at the interim point guard may be exactly what happens. I do think Colangelo will look for more experienced versatile pieces to fill out the rest of the roster. That may be hard since the 76ers have been absymal, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see one of both of those late first rounders get dealt for more experienced versatile pieces.

 

[220Participant]

I think you hit the nail on the head there. The 76ers have to decide how they want to build their team. I imagine the 76ers will build together being a fast paced team which possibly edges toward keeping Noel and Embiid over Okafor. I think there is a good chance that they’ll keep all three big guys this whole season or the majority of the season and trade one of them or more than one of them by the deadline or at the draft. I think they’ll really want to really take a hard look at all three of them before making a choice.

I think the very thing you don’t want to see keeping all three big guys, drafting Simmons, bring over Saric, and signing Ish Smith at the interim point guard may be exactly what happens. I do think Colangelo will look for more experienced versatile pieces to fill out the rest of the roster. That may be hard since the 76ers have been absymal, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see one of both of those late first rounders get dealt for more experienced versatile pieces.

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 I agree we have to make a move at some point…Just don’t know who I want to part with yet, clearly we’d need to get a shooter in return…

Does a trade involving Noel and Grant good enough to land the number 3 from Boston? 

Would that solve both Teams issues with The Celtics needing a defensive anchor and Grant could become a version of Al Faaroq Aminu, 76ers use #3 on Murray or Dunn to space the floor for the Ben and Jahlil front court

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 I agree we have to make a move at some point…Just don’t know who I want to part with yet, clearly we’d need to get a shooter in return…

Does a trade involving Noel and Grant good enough to land the number 3 from Boston? 

Would that solve both Teams issues with The Celtics needing a defensive anchor and Grant could become a version of Al Faaroq Aminu, 76ers use #3 on Murray or Dunn to space the floor for the Ben and Jahlil front court

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The problem with waiting is that when you have misfit part, no other team is going to value them highly. Dario Saric is a good prospect, but if he doesn’t have the ball you are not going to get what you drafted him to be. If you draft Simmons, and exile Jerami Grant to give Simmons a shooter to partner with at the forward spot, then what trade value will Grant have? The massive amount of cap space is going to enable them to make some trades and bring in guys because their current teams want to chase this or that free agent. It is mid-May, so they have a month to work through the million options, but they have to pick a course. They have spent three years being afraid of building something out of a fear of screwing up. Guess what? They are going to make mistakes along the way. It is not the end of the world. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The problem with waiting is that when you have misfit part, no other team is going to value them highly. Dario Saric is a good prospect, but if he doesn’t have the ball you are not going to get what you drafted him to be. If you draft Simmons, and exile Jerami Grant to give Simmons a shooter to partner with at the forward spot, then what trade value will Grant have? The massive amount of cap space is going to enable them to make some trades and bring in guys because their current teams want to chase this or that free agent. It is mid-May, so they have a month to work through the million options, but they have to pick a course. They have spent three years being afraid of building something out of a fear of screwing up. Guess what? They are going to make mistakes along the way. It is not the end of the world. 

[dazeoneParticipant]

 They have to see if Emblid is healthy. If he is then you see who he pairs up with the best.ff not you keep Okafor and Simmons and you have Saric and Noel in the cut. Problem is you don’t know how Simmons will rebound or his defense will be  in the NBA and Okafor is a poor rebounder.. Noel gIves you rebounding and blocked shots with 10/10. Saric will reboundand brings toughness. It’s a heck of a problem to have but Simmons is the best player …gotta go with him and figure out the rest.

[dazeoneParticipant]

 They have to see if Emblid is healthy. If he is then you see who he pairs up with the best.ff not you keep Okafor and Simmons and you have Saric and Noel in the cut. Problem is you don’t know how Simmons will rebound or his defense will be  in the NBA and Okafor is a poor rebounder.. Noel gIves you rebounding and blocked shots with 10/10. Saric will reboundand brings toughness. It’s a heck of a problem to have but Simmons is the best player …gotta go with him and figure out the rest.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Why do people think taking Ingram #1 overall is just drafting for fit?

[GBeeParticipant]

 Why do people think taking Ingram #1 overall is just drafting for fit?

[Ebown5Participant]

Because he is the lesser talent. Draft for talent. Trade for need.

Ben Simmons is the best talent in the draft. Full stop.

We should draft him and worry about the rest later.

BTW, Hinkie didn’t screw anything up. We are in position to have 2 potential franchise level players in Simmons and Embiid and it is all because of Hinkie and his unconventional methods.

He accomplished that in 3 years, starting in a huge hole too.

The Sixers = Embiid and Simmons

The rest of the assets are there to be either part of the team or traded for pieces that fit better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Ebown5Participant]

Because he is the lesser talent. Draft for talent. Trade for need.

Ben Simmons is the best talent in the draft. Full stop.

We should draft him and worry about the rest later.

BTW, Hinkie didn’t screw anything up. We are in position to have 2 potential franchise level players in Simmons and Embiid and it is all because of Hinkie and his unconventional methods.

He accomplished that in 3 years, starting in a huge hole too.

The Sixers = Embiid and Simmons

The rest of the assets are there to be either part of the team or traded for pieces that fit better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[GBeeParticipant]

 I don’t agree. I think Ingram has more potential offensively and defensively. He’s not just the better shooter.  He’s also better at creating his own offense and he has to be checked at every level of the floor in the halfcourt, whether on or off the ball. He’s got better shake moves from the perimeter, which combined with the fact that he actually has to be played honestly from the perimeter gives him better 1 on 1 breakdown potential.  His better length for his position and effort give him more potential defensively. Simmons’ LSU "combine" measurements aren’t fooling me. They are a statistical outlier.  You could just look at him and tell that he doesn’t have great length.  Plus he’s already physically mature, with not as much room for improvement.  So what you see is what you will get from him physically. Ingram just ALSO happens to be the better fit too.  He has the style and game to play with anybody.  Can’t say the same for Simmons. 

To me the Lebron comp was a misnomer, as was the "generational talent" talk and so is the "clearcut best talent in the draft" talk.  I think people got caught up in the hype and were looking for the next surefire, generational talent.  That’s not Simmons and I don’t think there is one in this draft.  For the #1 pick I think it’ll come down to preference, not talent.

[Hype Machine]

Stick to disco music BeeGee cos based on this post, clearly scouting isnt your thing.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Stick to sucking Aussie dck hype man.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Stick to sucking Aussie dck hype man.

[Hype Machine]

Stick to disco music BeeGee cos based on this post, clearly scouting isnt your thing.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 I don’t agree. I think Ingram has more potential offensively and defensively. He’s not just the better shooter.  He’s also better at creating his own offense and he has to be checked at every level of the floor in the halfcourt, whether on or off the ball. He’s got better shake moves from the perimeter, which combined with the fact that he actually has to be played honestly from the perimeter gives him better 1 on 1 breakdown potential.  His better length for his position and effort give him more potential defensively. Simmons’ LSU "combine" measurements aren’t fooling me. They are a statistical outlier.  You could just look at him and tell that he doesn’t have great length.  Plus he’s already physically mature, with not as much room for improvement.  So what you see is what you will get from him physically. Ingram just ALSO happens to be the better fit too.  He has the style and game to play with anybody.  Can’t say the same for Simmons. 

To me the Lebron comp was a misnomer, as was the "generational talent" talk and so is the "clearcut best talent in the draft" talk.  I think people got caught up in the hype and were looking for the next surefire, generational talent.  That’s not Simmons and I don’t think there is one in this draft.  For the #1 pick I think it’ll come down to preference, not talent.

[UncledrewParticipant]

You have to draft for best talent at number 1 and Simmons is the most talented. People will question his weakness to shoot the ball but even if he doesn’t develop that part of his game he still will be an excellent rebounder, facilitator and finisher at the rim. But what if he does develop a 3 point jumpshot?? (Watch out nba) your looking at a magic/ lebron hybrid. Either way he instantly becomes Phillies franchise player along with Embidd (If) he gets back to 100 percent. As good as Simmons is his ceiling may not be greater than a healthy Embidd. Not sure if Noel is good enough to net Boston 3rd overall, but Okafor for number 3 plus Marcus Smart sounds equal. Simmons at 1, Murray or Dunn at 3 (preferably Murray do to age and shooting ability), plus healthy Embidd sounds like a great start to a new look Philly. Throw in a rising perimeter defensive ace in Smart and whatever Saric brings to the table. These moves easily place Philly in the right direction as a franchise.

[UncledrewParticipant]

You have to draft for best talent at number 1 and Simmons is the most talented. People will question his weakness to shoot the ball but even if he doesn’t develop that part of his game he still will be an excellent rebounder, facilitator and finisher at the rim. But what if he does develop a 3 point jumpshot?? (Watch out nba) your looking at a magic/ lebron hybrid. Either way he instantly becomes Phillies franchise player along with Embidd (If) he gets back to 100 percent. As good as Simmons is his ceiling may not be greater than a healthy Embidd. Not sure if Noel is good enough to net Boston 3rd overall, but Okafor for number 3 plus Marcus Smart sounds equal. Simmons at 1, Murray or Dunn at 3 (preferably Murray do to age and shooting ability), plus healthy Embidd sounds like a great start to a new look Philly. Throw in a rising perimeter defensive ace in Smart and whatever Saric brings to the table. These moves easily place Philly in the right direction as a franchise.

[juves4783Participant]

hasn’t philly’s draft strategy always been to draft the best available player?  that’s why they have the surplus of bigs.  don’t think that’s going to change.  simmons will probably go #1 with the intention of being a point forward to play alongside 2 of the 4 bigs. 

[juves4783Participant]

hasn’t philly’s draft strategy always been to draft the best available player?  that’s why they have the surplus of bigs.  don’t think that’s going to change.  simmons will probably go #1 with the intention of being a point forward to play alongside 2 of the 4 bigs. 

[JoeWolf1]

Agreed. Drafting fit with the first pick is a big mistake. You take the best player, no matter what. I am not sure when, where and why the Ben Simmons bandwagon caught fire, and everyone jumped off, but he’s the best prospect in this draft.

He had a historic NCAA season. Historic, and a lot of what he does translates to the next level. Ingram is a fine player in his own right, but Kevin Durant, he is not. A underperforming LSU team, or the fact he didn’t get straight A’s (seriously, the 1 and Done rule does not cultivate top students among the elite prospects) isn’t enough to get me to doubt Simmons’ chops.

He needs to put on the first ball cap next month, what they do with him is their business. They could trade him, just like Cleveland did with Wiggins, or they can choose to build around him and move some of their big men. You flat out do not worry about the spacing part of the equation when you have a chance to nab the best passing do it all forward since Draymond Green, and before him Lebron James.

[JoeWolf1]

Agreed. Drafting fit with the first pick is a big mistake. You take the best player, no matter what. I am not sure when, where and why the Ben Simmons bandwagon caught fire, and everyone jumped off, but he’s the best prospect in this draft.

He had a historic NCAA season. Historic, and a lot of what he does translates to the next level. Ingram is a fine player in his own right, but Kevin Durant, he is not. A underperforming LSU team, or the fact he didn’t get straight A’s (seriously, the 1 and Done rule does not cultivate top students among the elite prospects) isn’t enough to get me to doubt Simmons’ chops.

He needs to put on the first ball cap next month, what they do with him is their business. They could trade him, just like Cleveland did with Wiggins, or they can choose to build around him and move some of their big men. You flat out do not worry about the spacing part of the equation when you have a chance to nab the best passing do it all forward since Draymond Green, and before him Lebron James.

[Snatalini247Participant]

But Ben Simmons easily has the skill set to play the 3 full time, you don’t ever draft for need with the top overall pick. You take the best overall player. Ingram is really good, but the best overall player is Simmons. 

[Snatalini247Participant]

But Ben Simmons easily has the skill set to play the 3 full time, you don’t ever draft for need with the top overall pick. You take the best overall player. Ingram is really good, but the best overall player is Simmons. 

[MatosParticipant]

Simmons is the guy. Jury’s out on Noel. I dont see him improving his offense drastically so he’s expendable especially with the need for guards. No one knows how Saric (another point-forward type in his own right) will mesh with Simmons. Until we see Embiid on the floor for 20+ games, you cant make the decision to build around him. And im not really a fan of Okafor. Not for this organization. I can see Okafor in San Antonio where they covet and develop players like him, but not this org. He’s not a great rebounder, and cant hit a shot outside the post. Hope Embiid turns out having a mid-range or else two of the three bigs (excluding Saric) will have to come off the bench or see action elsewhere.

[220Participant]

 Overall I agree, but having watch the Sixers quite a bit I’d say Okafor can actually shoot a bit outside. 20 ft is probably his limit at this point though.

[220Participant]

 Overall I agree, but having watch the Sixers quite a bit I’d say Okafor can actually shoot a bit outside. 20 ft is probably his limit at this point though.

[MatosParticipant]

Simmons is the guy. Jury’s out on Noel. I dont see him improving his offense drastically so he’s expendable especially with the need for guards. No one knows how Saric (another point-forward type in his own right) will mesh with Simmons. Until we see Embiid on the floor for 20+ games, you cant make the decision to build around him. And im not really a fan of Okafor. Not for this organization. I can see Okafor in San Antonio where they covet and develop players like him, but not this org. He’s not a great rebounder, and cant hit a shot outside the post. Hope Embiid turns out having a mid-range or else two of the three bigs (excluding Saric) will have to come off the bench or see action elsewhere.

[burgessfourParticipant]

and take two shooters @ 24 & 26. Do not take a PG yet because we don’t know what kind of PG we need. Simmons may end up being the primary ball handler. Go into the year and see what we have. How/who does Simmons fit with ? Does Embiid stay healthy ? Don’t get me wrong, if you can move Okafor for Booker or pick 2 (Ingram) you do it. I wouldn’t deal Okafor to Boston for pick 3.

[burgessfourParticipant]

and take two shooters @ 24 & 26. Do not take a PG yet because we don’t know what kind of PG we need. Simmons may end up being the primary ball handler. Go into the year and see what we have. How/who does Simmons fit with ? Does Embiid stay healthy ? Don’t get me wrong, if you can move Okafor for Booker or pick 2 (Ingram) you do it. I wouldn’t deal Okafor to Boston for pick 3.

[dudo670Participant]

 a crapshoot, for the most part. If you’re the Sixers, a healthy Joel Embiid is a franchise player who makes you a perennial playoff team for the next decade. If you’ve got a do-it-all 7-footer, and knowing that Simmons is far from a sure thing, I think you need to ask yourself, "who will play best with Joel Embiid?" 

Its not like Simmons is a surefire star, yes he really only has one major skill flaw (shooting), but the fact that he only took 3 threes all year either tells you he is smart to not shoot them or his lack of confidence proves he’ll never develop his shot. Ingrams 3 point and free throw shooting numbers are almost identical to Paul George (George was .447 and .697 and Ingram was .41 and .682). Now Ingram is much more raw than George, but I don’t think Ingrams noticably worse of a prospect than Simmons and at this point it looks like a crapshoot to me. So to say draft best player available, who knows who is the best? That’s the whole point of hiring a good GM.

 

[dudo670Participant]

 a crapshoot, for the most part. If you’re the Sixers, a healthy Joel Embiid is a franchise player who makes you a perennial playoff team for the next decade. If you’ve got a do-it-all 7-footer, and knowing that Simmons is far from a sure thing, I think you need to ask yourself, "who will play best with Joel Embiid?" 

Its not like Simmons is a surefire star, yes he really only has one major skill flaw (shooting), but the fact that he only took 3 threes all year either tells you he is smart to not shoot them or his lack of confidence proves he’ll never develop his shot. Ingrams 3 point and free throw shooting numbers are almost identical to Paul George (George was .447 and .697 and Ingram was .41 and .682). Now Ingram is much more raw than George, but I don’t think Ingrams noticably worse of a prospect than Simmons and at this point it looks like a crapshoot to me. So to say draft best player available, who knows who is the best? That’s the whole point of hiring a good GM.

 

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