[valentine]

aron brooks is a better scorer then dwill and cp3 per48. would anyone on this site play him over them?

corey maggette has better scoring stats then dirk would anyone run plays through him first and dirk second?

[knicksfan7Participant]

I would play Kyle Weaver over James Harden since Weaver averages 28.8 PPG Per48 to Harden’s 20.8 points. Obviously not if I go by any of those minute stats it would be per 36, but it’s how a guy plays not by what there stats would be per 36 or 48 minutes. It discounts who plays for the other team.

[McWinningParticipant]

Well Brooks might be a better scorer but not overrall player.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

NO!!!

Brooks is scoring more points per 48 minutes because he is playing on a Houston team with no Yao, no T Mac, no Artest. There is absolutly no chance Aaron Brooks is a better player then either of those 2.

Maggette is a ball hog, a volume scorer who will never be a part of a good team. Good teams dont want him. He’s a cancer. Sure he’ll score 20 ppg given the minutes, but it will take him 25 shots and 11 angry teammates and a handful of angry coaches to get it.

[tli232]

Come on man, to coaches, stats don’t matter that much when it’s their own players cuz they see them ALL the time. Coaches know what their guy is capable of. I think it all depends on matchups though. per48 stats mean nothing to a coach when they’re putting a guy in a game.

higher per48 rebounding = less space for guards to drive cuz the guy clogs the lane
Higher per48 scoring = a guy looking to get his more than another guy

[quinceyhodges]

thank you…another reason why you cant go by that is because its guess work. its hoping that a guy can continue the same production through 48min. and for guys who dont play much it doesnt take into account that they are playing against second string guys and not starters for 48min and that they arent playing with the starterson there team for 48. if they were they wouldnt be getting the same amount of shots that there per48 stats show

[kurtu17Participant]

i was just goin to say that..you never know how these guys who are bench players are goin to respond to the extra min…

[Adi Joseph]

Brooks’ Player Efficiency Rating, which looks to take into account a number of different per-minute projections and production rates, is 15.88, a shade above the league average of 15 flat.

Paul’s comes in at one of the best in the league, 26.6. Williams rates as an elite-level point guard at 20.13. Steve Nash, who also averages fewer points per minute than Brooks, boasts a PER of 22.59. 

But you obviously can’t just add a Paul, Williams or Nash off the street.

 

Statistics absolutely work as an evaluative tool. Brooks fills a need for a team that has overachieved this year. The Rockets knew they needed a scorer, so they started Brooks instead of Kyle Lowery, who is the better traditional point guard.

 

They remain viable in the playoff race, and with Kevin Martin added to the roster, they could easily overtake a battered Portland team down the stretch.

 

You’re limiting yourself with a narrow-minded view of statistical analysis. You need to learn what you’re criticizing, or your arguments will remain as flimsy as this one.

 

Are there good arguments to be had about the value of statistical analysis as a primary tool of evaluation in basketball? Absolutely.

 

Would any good team in the league simply abandon statistical measures? No. Not at all. None of them.

 

Do that, and you end up the Warriors. 

Also, please stop capitalizing your thread titles. That’s me asking nicely.

[quinceyhodges]

narrow minded view would be to just look at stats to determine if a player is better then another person. a borad view would be to look at the person’s game which is the most important thing to look at not te per48. youre opinion holds no more weight then birdzilla and is almost as “flimsy”. ive asked people who actually have access to coachs on the ask question part on hoopsworld.com and they also agreed that the most important view is watching a person’s game which is why alot of guys who are stat busters in college arent high draft picks. i could have used many other players to prove my point especially in ast where sergo ranks 10th in the entire nba. per48 for doesnt take into account many different factors as the creater of it has even said, such as can a guy sustain the same level of play for 48 min or other players just letting the guy take that many shots or handle the ball as long.

and thats me responding nicely

[McWinningParticipant]

Actually hes eighth.

[McWinningParticipant]

And i agree with adi not just points per 48 minutes stats its per (16.57 19th for point guards) and other stats like 82.games stats which are very good for him. And of course just watching him play their team always seems to do better with him in.

[quinceyhodges]

good. you came across in the other post as per48 is the most important thing. later i saw you put you were just joking. i said in there and in here that the most important is watching a player not there per48. just because brooks has a higher scoring average doesnt mean hes a better scorer then chris paul or dwill(which he clearly isnt)

[McWinningParticipant]

Per is my main stat personally i think your a good player if you hold your opponent to a lower per than your per (Sergio has a 4.1 higher per than his opponent), and Brooks is a very good scorer but he takes more shots than those guys and isnt nearly as good as anything else. And i have watched him hes much better than he was in Portland hes improved his defense and has a decent mid range jumper now.

[quinceyhodges]

and thats skewed because he doesnt even get enough time where you can really go by that. someone who plays much more will give up more poins obviously. you wont find out his real per untill he gets more time then 9-13min. alot of players per look good when they dont play alot of minutes

[quinceyhodges]

and youre more then welcome to go by that. personally imma go by what the coachs and scouts go by as my main factor and thats how well a player performs with the minutes that they have earned

[quinceyhodges]

also gave you some points for sticking to youre beliefs lol

[McWinningParticipant]

Lol. he has done good with the minutes hes earned. i agree coaches dont go by stats but Dantoni knows enough to announce hes a starter now.

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