[Arc12345Participant]

So I mostly look at NBAdraft.net and DraftExpress for mocks concerning the NBA draft. Both are very good sites and usually extremely accurate when it’s all said and done, but I noticed their are some major differences in player draft position just 11 days out from the draft.

Roughly more than 20 picks different is big. Here are some of the biggest ones although there are others:

Dejounte Murray – 11 here vs. 35 Express

Wade Baldwin – 32 here vs. 12 Express

Demetrius Jackson – 37 here vs 14 Express

Malachi Richardson – 14 here vs. 33 Express

Tyler Ulis is another one at 36 here vs. 24 Express. Which of these spots do you see these guys closer to on draft day? Any other prospects you see big discrepancies in (solidly getting drafted vs. not getting drafted, lottery vs. not, 1st vs. 2nd round, etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 I always find such vast differences interesting. I imagine it’s a matter of personal feelings regarding the players involved. The case could also be made that this demonstrates how close talent wise the players are after the first 10 picks or so.

[220Participant]

 I always find such vast differences interesting. I imagine it’s a matter of personal feelings regarding the players involved. The case could also be made that this demonstrates how close talent wise the players are after the first 10 picks or so.

[Hype Machine]

Golden rule…throw DX a bone and they will inflate your stock. Go with the competition and theyll sabotage your draft stock. No one else does that. Time and time again…but even more so since Woj and DX collaborated. 

Murrays agent is Rich Paul, who Woj and Givoni has a longstanding grudge against. Thats pretty much all you need to know about why hes ranked so low on DX.

Giving Chad Ford exclusive rights to his workouts with Simmons was a sealer. 

No way he goes in the second round. Draftnet is on the money…around late lottery.

In fact I look at that DX mock and consider it almost embarassing.

At this point ESPN has actually beaten DX in the coverage of the 2016 draft and Chad Ford is coming across more reputable than Givony.  Ive found his insider articles and podcasts/interviews to be pretty informative this year as opposed to DX which has been shamefully unethical. 

[Hype Machine]

Golden rule…throw DX a bone and they will inflate your stock. Go with the competition and theyll sabotage your draft stock. No one else does that. Time and time again…but even more so since Woj and DX collaborated. 

Murrays agent is Rich Paul, who Woj and Givoni has a longstanding grudge against. Thats pretty much all you need to know about why hes ranked so low on DX.

Giving Chad Ford exclusive rights to his workouts with Simmons was a sealer. 

No way he goes in the second round. Draftnet is on the money…around late lottery.

In fact I look at that DX mock and consider it almost embarassing.

At this point ESPN has actually beaten DX in the coverage of the 2016 draft and Chad Ford is coming across more reputable than Givony.  Ive found his insider articles and podcasts/interviews to be pretty informative this year as opposed to DX which has been shamefully unethical. 

[CrossyboyParticipant]

I’ve been meaning to make a post like this for a while, so thankyou.

There are some huge discrepancies between a range of sites and I think that this is partly due to the depth of this draft and partly the range of different skill-sets offered by players, which will be attractive to different teams. I think that a discrepancy of around 10 picks is fair.

In my opinion, I would give draft.net the edge, but there are a few puzzling picks on both sites. My opinion on some of the players are as follows:

Wade Baldwin – nbadraft = 32, DX = 12. Baldwin is a good shooter, but lacks playmaking skills coveted by many teams looking for a more traditional point guard. Personally, I feel that Philly would snap him up at 24, with Simmons playing point-forward and creating the space for Baldwin to utilise. I see his range as 15-24.

Hernangomez – nbadraft = 46, DX = 20. He has potential, but is far from the finished article. Unless a team with multiple picks are desperate for a draft and stash, I can’t understand risking more than a 2nd round pick.

Cornelie – nbadraft = 53, DX = 26. Again, a lack of footspeed limits his appeal. After being outplayed by Zipser at Eurocamp, to me, he’s a late 2nd round flyer.

Marquess Chris – nbadraft = 8, DX = 3. 5 picks may not seem much, but at the top of the draft, there’s at least a tier between 3 and 8. I think that Chris has enough potential to risk at 8 and his athleticism has bumped him above Ellenson, but he’s a poor rebounder and there are enough holes in his game that I wouldn’t touch him at 3. He’s going to wow at workouts, but his resume over the course of the season isn’t enough to take the risk. Range = 6-12.

Luwawu – nbadraft = 26, DX = 15. I’m hoping that Luwawu is still there for the 76ers at 26, but don’t think he will be. Nbadraft recently had Luwawu in the 2nd round, which was mind-boggling, but a consensus is slowly forming on Luwawu. Intriguing skill-set, decent physical tools, limited ball-handling, solid 3 & D. Range = 18 – 24.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I would also give NBADraft.net the edge. Not just because Im on this site but because of past DX anticts. Like when they tried to sabotage Roziers draft stock saying there’s no way he would be a 1st round pick and he called them out! Then he got picked in the 1st ahead of a solid experienced crop of PG’s.

They do seem to have an agenda. NBADraft.net is sleeping on Hernangomez though I think the dispensary (lol) is because of how fluid the draft is and how many guys are potential picks.

And Cornelie sucks you would have to be an idiot to take him in the 1st round ahead of some of the other draft and stash prospects. He’s basically matured and looks like he is razor thin. His English is atrocious and he comes off brash and cocky. I wouldn’t even draft him 60th despite his great skillset and I was a big fan of his game films and highlights before this season.

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I would also give NBADraft.net the edge. Not just because Im on this site but because of past DX anticts. Like when they tried to sabotage Roziers draft stock saying there’s no way he would be a 1st round pick and he called them out! Then he got picked in the 1st ahead of a solid experienced crop of PG’s.

They do seem to have an agenda. NBADraft.net is sleeping on Hernangomez though I think the dispensary (lol) is because of how fluid the draft is and how many guys are potential picks.

And Cornelie sucks you would have to be an idiot to take him in the 1st round ahead of some of the other draft and stash prospects. He’s basically matured and looks like he is razor thin. His English is atrocious and he comes off brash and cocky. I wouldn’t even draft him 60th despite his great skillset and I was a big fan of his game films and highlights before this season.

 

 

[CrossyboyParticipant]

I’ve been meaning to make a post like this for a while, so thankyou.

There are some huge discrepancies between a range of sites and I think that this is partly due to the depth of this draft and partly the range of different skill-sets offered by players, which will be attractive to different teams. I think that a discrepancy of around 10 picks is fair.

In my opinion, I would give draft.net the edge, but there are a few puzzling picks on both sites. My opinion on some of the players are as follows:

Wade Baldwin – nbadraft = 32, DX = 12. Baldwin is a good shooter, but lacks playmaking skills coveted by many teams looking for a more traditional point guard. Personally, I feel that Philly would snap him up at 24, with Simmons playing point-forward and creating the space for Baldwin to utilise. I see his range as 15-24.

Hernangomez – nbadraft = 46, DX = 20. He has potential, but is far from the finished article. Unless a team with multiple picks are desperate for a draft and stash, I can’t understand risking more than a 2nd round pick.

Cornelie – nbadraft = 53, DX = 26. Again, a lack of footspeed limits his appeal. After being outplayed by Zipser at Eurocamp, to me, he’s a late 2nd round flyer.

Marquess Chris – nbadraft = 8, DX = 3. 5 picks may not seem much, but at the top of the draft, there’s at least a tier between 3 and 8. I think that Chris has enough potential to risk at 8 and his athleticism has bumped him above Ellenson, but he’s a poor rebounder and there are enough holes in his game that I wouldn’t touch him at 3. He’s going to wow at workouts, but his resume over the course of the season isn’t enough to take the risk. Range = 6-12.

Luwawu – nbadraft = 26, DX = 15. I’m hoping that Luwawu is still there for the 76ers at 26, but don’t think he will be. Nbadraft recently had Luwawu in the 2nd round, which was mind-boggling, but a consensus is slowly forming on Luwawu. Intriguing skill-set, decent physical tools, limited ball-handling, solid 3 & D. Range = 18 – 24.

[XYRYXParticipant]

To be honest I don’t know why draft.net has Malachi Richardson going so high when I look at his numbers.

As a german I basically don’t see much college ball and don’t talk too much before the draft since I haven’t seen much about any of the guys aside from highlight clips and scouting videos. But what has Richardson shown to justify a lottery selection aside from a good tournament? He shot below 40 percent from the floor in college and usually this doesn’t translate very well to the pros. To me he is the typical guy where people say he has the physical tools to be a good player and can put on some weight but that alone doesn’t justify a top 20 selection to me and I would be kind of shocked if a team thinks he is worth a being there.

[holefillers1Participant]

 He crushed his workout.  A scout called it a Porzingis type workout.  Whatever that means. But the scout said top ten.

  He shot the three well but his percetages in the paint and pull up J’s were terrible. I am sure some GM’s will think they can groom him into a multifaceted player.  I see more Terrance Ross than anything

[holefillers1Participant]

 He crushed his workout.  A scout called it a Porzingis type workout.  Whatever that means. But the scout said top ten.

  He shot the three well but his percetages in the paint and pull up J’s were terrible. I am sure some GM’s will think they can groom him into a multifaceted player.  I see more Terrance Ross than anything

[Arc12345Participant]

The reason they say that is because Porzingis had one of the most impressive workouts in recent memory during his pro day. That’s why. 

[Arc12345Participant]

The reason they say that is because Porzingis had one of the most impressive workouts in recent memory during his pro day. That’s why. 

[XYRYXParticipant]

To be honest I don’t know why draft.net has Malachi Richardson going so high when I look at his numbers.

As a german I basically don’t see much college ball and don’t talk too much before the draft since I haven’t seen much about any of the guys aside from highlight clips and scouting videos. But what has Richardson shown to justify a lottery selection aside from a good tournament? He shot below 40 percent from the floor in college and usually this doesn’t translate very well to the pros. To me he is the typical guy where people say he has the physical tools to be a good player and can put on some weight but that alone doesn’t justify a top 20 selection to me and I would be kind of shocked if a team thinks he is worth a being there.

[llperez]

Dx wrote a piece saying Ingram had passed Simmons and then had Ingram at 1 for over a month before finally tucking tail and going back simmons while Aran stuck with Simmons the whole way so I give this site a little win for that assuming Ben does in fact go #1.

I remember over a year ago prior to Norman powell’s senior season at ucla had even started, this site had Powell going around 13 while at the very same time dx at had him going undrafted. I made a note of it on a thread here and said this discrepancy was so huge it would be a good test to see which site was accurate. Turns out he went second round so I decided not to revisit the thread to declare a winner since he fell right in the middle.

As for some of the current discrepancies, here’s how I see them:

Baldwin: I agree with .net, I see him more likely to go second round.

Richardson: I agree with dx, I’m not that high on him.

Hernangomez: I agree with dx I really like this guy and defenitely think he goes first rd.

Murray: I’m gonna side with .net on this one, defenitely think he goes first rd

Jackson: I’m down the middle, first rd but late first so edge to neither side

[llperez]

Dx wrote a piece saying Ingram had passed Simmons and then had Ingram at 1 for over a month before finally tucking tail and going back simmons while Aran stuck with Simmons the whole way so I give this site a little win for that assuming Ben does in fact go #1.

I remember over a year ago prior to Norman powell’s senior season at ucla had even started, this site had Powell going around 13 while at the very same time dx at had him going undrafted. I made a note of it on a thread here and said this discrepancy was so huge it would be a good test to see which site was accurate. Turns out he went second round so I decided not to revisit the thread to declare a winner since he fell right in the middle.

As for some of the current discrepancies, here’s how I see them:

Baldwin: I agree with .net, I see him more likely to go second round.

Richardson: I agree with dx, I’m not that high on him.

Hernangomez: I agree with dx I really like this guy and defenitely think he goes first rd.

Murray: I’m gonna side with .net on this one, defenitely think he goes first rd

Jackson: I’m down the middle, first rd but late first so edge to neither side

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