[BornaskulParticipant]

 Can we just take a moment and appreciate how good he still is? 

He is 37 yo and still scoring almost 20 per game in 27 min on a high fg %

And most importantly his team is winning.

They just won against the Celtics and Dirk(23 pts , 9-14) used the OE to beat Olynyk at his own game(yeah I know it’s a bit late for this joke) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

 I just had a crazy thought the other day….

How would Nowitzki look on an all-Time team?

Magic

Jordan

Bird

Nowitzki (prime)

Shaq

Good luck beating that team!!

[EspressoParticipant]

 I just had a crazy thought the other day….

How would Nowitzki look on an all-Time team?

Magic

Jordan

Bird

Nowitzki (prime)

Shaq

Good luck beating that team!!

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 that uses every trick in the book & puts 30+ on the young bucks…. I luv watching him play….

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 that uses every trick in the book & puts 30+ on the young bucks…. I luv watching him play….

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I have Dirk above KG if I Actually made a all time PF list.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I have Dirk above KG if I Actually made a all time PF list.

[trelos6Participant]

Prime KG 2002/03 beats Dirk. Just does EVERYTHING. 

 

Dirk is an amazing shooter, and incredibly efficient scorer, but that’s about it. 

The one thing I’ll give you is that Dirk carried his team to a chip. 

[trelos6Participant]

Prime KG 2002/03 beats Dirk. Just does EVERYTHING. 

 

Dirk is an amazing shooter, and incredibly efficient scorer, but that’s about it. 

The one thing I’ll give you is that Dirk carried his team to a chip. 

[BornaskulParticipant]

 That "one thing" means a lot. You are making it sound like carrying a team(that wasn’t loaded with talent, compared to some other teams) to a championship is nothing special.

I mean winning is the most important thing. 

But it will be best to debate who is better when they both retire (I hope that won’t be soon).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BornaskulParticipant]

 That "one thing" means a lot. You are making it sound like carrying a team(that wasn’t loaded with talent, compared to some other teams) to a championship is nothing special.

I mean winning is the most important thing. 

But it will be best to debate who is better when they both retire (I hope that won’t be soon).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Karl Malone is the best PF of all time. Nobody ever wanted to play against him because he was so tough and gritty. He was one of the hardest workers i’d ever seen. He beats everyone out in the all time PF greats. And it’s not even close.

[FrankStallone]

 Back in your day you saw a lot of things on youtube.

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

So what if it takes youtube to know that Karl Malone is the greatest PF of all time. Who do you think it is? David Lee?

I’m a young fan so of course I’m not gonna see every one of the NBA greats. But I’ve seen enough of the arguable greats to know that the one that beats them all is Karl Malone.

Who the fu*k cares if it took youtube to get that.

 

[FrankStallone]

“Nobody ever wanted to play against him because he was so tough and gritty. He was one of the hardest workers i’d ever seen. He beats everyone out in the all time PF greats. And it’s not even close.”

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 your point is?

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 also, T Rex, you have only been on here for 3 days and you already have -132 points?

that’s a bit crazy in my opinion. You have a lot of enemies on here. That means you average losing 44 points a day so far. 

If you keep going at that rate for about a year and a half, you’ll have the new lowest neg record! Congratulations!

Oh wait, I forgot, your account keeps getting deleted within a couple of months.

You say that you have a great basketball mind, but there are guys on here like Memphis Madness that has WAAAY more negs than you but he hasn’t been banned. It means that the admins don’t just go by negs and the deletion of accounts. It happens because of (someone) posting things out of pure stupidity. Maybe this account will be deleted as quick as zer0d0ubt. I don’t remember that one lasting as long.

[FrankStallone]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. 

Kind of like how Lakers fans hate Porzingis with a passion.

 

[daggers818Participant]

 Huge Lakers fan for 48 years now and LOVE Porzingis.  Why are you generalizing?

[daggers818Participant]

 Huge Lakers fan for 48 years now and LOVE Porzingis.  Why are you generalizing?

[FrankStallone]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. 

Kind of like how Lakers fans hate Porzingis with a passion.

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 also, T Rex, you have only been on here for 3 days and you already have -132 points?

that’s a bit crazy in my opinion. You have a lot of enemies on here. That means you average losing 44 points a day so far. 

If you keep going at that rate for about a year and a half, you’ll have the new lowest neg record! Congratulations!

Oh wait, I forgot, your account keeps getting deleted within a couple of months.

You say that you have a great basketball mind, but there are guys on here like Memphis Madness that has WAAAY more negs than you but he hasn’t been banned. It means that the admins don’t just go by negs and the deletion of accounts. It happens because of (someone) posting things out of pure stupidity. Maybe this account will be deleted as quick as zer0d0ubt. I don’t remember that one lasting as long.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 your point is?

[FrankStallone]

“Nobody ever wanted to play against him because he was so tough and gritty. He was one of the hardest workers i’d ever seen. He beats everyone out in the all time PF greats. And it’s not even close.”

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 greats on YouTube ZackAttack…. I think it’s awesome…. I saw Malone & Stockton play in their prime in the mid to late 90’s as a teen ager….. & Malone was an absolute Beast! I wish I could have looked up Old Time greats…..

Crazy side note about Malone he was the ONLY NBA player in the 20th Century who was NOT Drafted in the Top 10 to be named League MVP….. Julius Erving was drafted #12 ay 1972 NBA Draft but he had joined the ABA the previous year on a October 1971…. Had he made himself available for the NBA, he surely would have been the #1 overall pick….

Steve Nash (#15) & Kobe Bryant (#13)…. Both were drafted in 1996 & Kobe has to be considered another exception since H.S. players really were not taken during that period, Kobe still would have been drafted at #7 by the Nets had he not threatened to play in Europe….

 So Steve Nash is the Latest future MVP ever drafted at #15 overall….. & Karl Malone was taken #13 overall… It’s a shame Malon’s great Utah Jazz never won the Title….

Malone was also made famous for an incident that involved on of the other MVP’s drafted outside the top 10 when he hit on Kobe’s wife & it went Viral….

For what it’s worth here is my All Time Power Forwards (IMHO):

1. Tim Duncan

2. Kevin McHale

3. Kevin Garnette

4. Charles Barkley

5. Dirk Nowitzki

6. Karl malone

7. Willis Reed

8. Bob Petit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 greats on YouTube ZackAttack…. I think it’s awesome…. I saw Malone & Stockton play in their prime in the mid to late 90’s as a teen ager….. & Malone was an absolute Beast! I wish I could have looked up Old Time greats…..

Crazy side note about Malone he was the ONLY NBA player in the 20th Century who was NOT Drafted in the Top 10 to be named League MVP….. Julius Erving was drafted #12 ay 1972 NBA Draft but he had joined the ABA the previous year on a October 1971…. Had he made himself available for the NBA, he surely would have been the #1 overall pick….

Steve Nash (#15) & Kobe Bryant (#13)…. Both were drafted in 1996 & Kobe has to be considered another exception since H.S. players really were not taken during that period, Kobe still would have been drafted at #7 by the Nets had he not threatened to play in Europe….

 So Steve Nash is the Latest future MVP ever drafted at #15 overall….. & Karl Malone was taken #13 overall… It’s a shame Malon’s great Utah Jazz never won the Title….

Malone was also made famous for an incident that involved on of the other MVP’s drafted outside the top 10 when he hit on Kobe’s wife & it went Viral….

For what it’s worth here is my All Time Power Forwards (IMHO):

1. Tim Duncan

2. Kevin McHale

3. Kevin Garnette

4. Charles Barkley

5. Dirk Nowitzki

6. Karl malone

7. Willis Reed

8. Bob Petit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Crazy side note about Malone he was the ONLY NBA player in the 20th Century who was NOT Drafted in the Top 10 to be named League MVP…..

———————————————

Willis Reed was drafted in the second round (albeit with a much shorter 1st round) and won MVP.

A bit surprising that you talk about how great Malone was but don’t have him in your top 5 PFs. For me he’s a very solid #2 all time behind TD but I get that these ratings are largely subjective. 

 

 

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 what I don’t follow is what Your point is?

 Other than Dr.J (which I explained) – in the 20th Century, No man who was drafted outside the Top 10 was named League MVP other than Karl Malone… 

You conveniently Omitted that Reed was the 8th player chosen in 1964….

And the 8 Power Forwards I selected – among whom Karl Malone was included – are 8 of the greatest players who Ever lived & really they can be switched around in any order you like…. I’d hardly consider being named among the greatest of all time at a position an insult regardless of where the player is placed – after I said that it was just my personal opinion which means less than nothing,,….

I’m not sure why the comment about the MVP’s got your goat – no harm was meant by it… I just thought it was interesting & in fact it was meant to underscore Malone’s greatness….

 But it certainly also demonstrate’s the importance of the Draft….

 In the history of the NBA just about Every champion has been led by a future Hall of Famer & nearly all of them were found in the Draft Lottery (Top 14)….. Dennis Johnson (29th Overall) of the 79′ SuperSonics is the only player I can think of but Jack Sikma was his co #1 or maybe 1B & he was Drafted #8 overall (77′)

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 what I don’t follow is what Your point is?

 Other than Dr.J (which I explained) – in the 20th Century, No man who was drafted outside the Top 10 was named League MVP other than Karl Malone… 

You conveniently Omitted that Reed was the 8th player chosen in 1964….

And the 8 Power Forwards I selected – among whom Karl Malone was included – are 8 of the greatest players who Ever lived & really they can be switched around in any order you like…. I’d hardly consider being named among the greatest of all time at a position an insult regardless of where the player is placed – after I said that it was just my personal opinion which means less than nothing,,….

I’m not sure why the comment about the MVP’s got your goat – no harm was meant by it… I just thought it was interesting & in fact it was meant to underscore Malone’s greatness….

 But it certainly also demonstrate’s the importance of the Draft….

 In the history of the NBA just about Every champion has been led by a future Hall of Famer & nearly all of them were found in the Draft Lottery (Top 14)….. Dennis Johnson (29th Overall) of the 79′ SuperSonics is the only player I can think of but Jack Sikma was his co #1 or maybe 1B & he was Drafted #8 overall (77′)

 

 

 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Crazy side note about Malone he was the ONLY NBA player in the 20th Century who was NOT Drafted in the Top 10 to be named League MVP…..

———————————————

Willis Reed was drafted in the second round (albeit with a much shorter 1st round) and won MVP.

A bit surprising that you talk about how great Malone was but don’t have him in your top 5 PFs. For me he’s a very solid #2 all time behind TD but I get that these ratings are largely subjective. 

 

 

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

So what if it takes youtube to know that Karl Malone is the greatest PF of all time. Who do you think it is? David Lee?

I’m a young fan so of course I’m not gonna see every one of the NBA greats. But I’ve seen enough of the arguable greats to know that the one that beats them all is Karl Malone.

Who the fu*k cares if it took youtube to get that.

 

[FrankStallone]

 Back in your day you saw a lot of things on youtube.

 

 

[daggers818Participant]

Best power forwards of all time, regardless of era – please.  I believe one can only play in the era you lived in, and if you dominated then, against your peers, enough said.  I have no personal biases here, just being objective:

1) Tim Duncan: 5 rings, 3x Champ MVP’s, 2x League MVP, 15x all-pro (10x 1st), 15x all-star, 15x All-D (8x 1st), 19.5/11.0/3.1  (Pts/Reb/Asst)

2) Bob Pettit: 1 ring, didn’t have champ MVP’s then else likely 1x, 2x League MVP, 11x all-pro (10x 1st), 11x all-star, didn’t have All-D back then, 26.4/16.2/3.0.  Note: he only played 11 seasons.

3) Karl Malone: 0 rings, 0 champ MVP, 2x League MVP, 14x all-pro (11x 1st), 14x all-star, 3x All-D (3x 1st), 25.0/10.1/3.6

4) Kevin Garnett: 1 ring, 0 champ MVP, 1x League MVP, 9x all-pro (4x 1st), 15x all-star, 11x All-D (8x 1st), 18.2, 10.2, 3.8.  Note: he is the only player in NBA history to average at least 20/10/5 6X, doing it 6 years in a row!  Bird did it 5x, Wilt, Oscar, Kareem, and Elgin 3x each.

5) Dirk Nowitzki:1 ring, 1x champ MVP, 1x League MVP, 12x all-pro (4x 1st), 13x all-star, 0x All-D,22.2/7.9/2.6

 

As of end of last season,  stats hopefully are right or pretty darn close.

[daggers818Participant]

Best power forwards of all time, regardless of era – please.  I believe one can only play in the era you lived in, and if you dominated then, against your peers, enough said.  I have no personal biases here, just being objective:

1) Tim Duncan: 5 rings, 3x Champ MVP’s, 2x League MVP, 15x all-pro (10x 1st), 15x all-star, 15x All-D (8x 1st), 19.5/11.0/3.1  (Pts/Reb/Asst)

2) Bob Pettit: 1 ring, didn’t have champ MVP’s then else likely 1x, 2x League MVP, 11x all-pro (10x 1st), 11x all-star, didn’t have All-D back then, 26.4/16.2/3.0.  Note: he only played 11 seasons.

3) Karl Malone: 0 rings, 0 champ MVP, 2x League MVP, 14x all-pro (11x 1st), 14x all-star, 3x All-D (3x 1st), 25.0/10.1/3.6

4) Kevin Garnett: 1 ring, 0 champ MVP, 1x League MVP, 9x all-pro (4x 1st), 15x all-star, 11x All-D (8x 1st), 18.2, 10.2, 3.8.  Note: he is the only player in NBA history to average at least 20/10/5 6X, doing it 6 years in a row!  Bird did it 5x, Wilt, Oscar, Kareem, and Elgin 3x each.

5) Dirk Nowitzki:1 ring, 1x champ MVP, 1x League MVP, 12x all-pro (4x 1st), 13x all-star, 0x All-D,22.2/7.9/2.6

 

As of end of last season,  stats hopefully are right or pretty darn close.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Karl Malone is the best PF of all time. Nobody ever wanted to play against him because he was so tough and gritty. He was one of the hardest workers i’d ever seen. He beats everyone out in the all time PF greats. And it’s not even close.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Lamarcus Aldridge is high on my list. If he wins a ring we all should have a discussion on where he ranks because he has been consistenly ALL STAR level good right from the start.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Lamarcus Aldridge is high on my list. If he wins a ring we all should have a discussion on where he ranks because he has been consistenly ALL STAR level good right from the start.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 lamarcus aldridge is nowhere close to these 2

[bumbleb33Participant]

 lamarcus aldridge is nowhere close to these 2

[frogmanParticipant]

Chris Bosh should be higher than Aldridge.  Although neither should be on anyone’s top 5 list.

[frogmanParticipant]

Chris Bosh should be higher than Aldridge.  Although neither should be on anyone’s top 5 list.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Everytime Dirk is still on board on my fantasy drafts I always convince myself "this will be the year Dirk will really regress" and avoid taking him. But the guy proves me and a lot of fantasy drafters wrong everytime haha.

[ZouldiersParticipant]

 He was on my fantasy team along with John Wall, Blake Griffin, and Paul George and that team won 1st place. Probably my deepest team in fantasy ever.

[ZouldiersParticipant]

 He was on my fantasy team along with John Wall, Blake Griffin, and Paul George and that team won 1st place. Probably my deepest team in fantasy ever.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Everytime Dirk is still on board on my fantasy drafts I always convince myself "this will be the year Dirk will really regress" and avoid taking him. But the guy proves me and a lot of fantasy drafters wrong everytime haha.

[FrankStallone]

 Yeah, Dirk’s OE rarely gets considered when ranking him on the historic greats lists. Even by myself.

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Yeah, Dirk’s OE rarely gets considered when ranking him on the historic greats lists. Even by myself.

 

 

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

Man,as a Mavs fan I can’t say how much I appreciate having him on the team
It will be really sad day for me when he retires

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

Man,as a Mavs fan I can’t say how much I appreciate having him on the team
It will be really sad day for me when he retires

[HitsterParticipant]

Dirk is probably the best shooting big man of all time, others have scored heavier but they were more post type players. Dirk still looks in great shape and if he has the desire could play until he is 40 if he is used wisely.

[HitsterParticipant]

Dirk is probably the best shooting big man of all time, others have scored heavier but they were more post type players. Dirk still looks in great shape and if he has the desire could play until he is 40 if he is used wisely.

[Roland209Participant]

Bucks traded him for Tractor Traylor (RIP) 

[Roland209Participant]

Bucks traded him for Tractor Traylor (RIP) 

[trelos6Participant]

Ultimately it all depends on what you want your PF to do.  Depends on the structure and make up of the team.

If you have a defensively talented team, and need a shooter to space the floor, Dirk would be a great PF.

If you need a guy who can run a fast break, pass well, and play with passion and hustle on every play, KG.

If you need a robot who can do all the small things, box out, play great D, score with bank shots, Duncan.

If you need a guy to finish the PnR, Malone.

If you need a smaller guy who jacks up 3’s, but is an absolute beast of a rebounder, Barkley.

If you need a guy to drop 20ppg in each of his seasons, without fail, Bob Pettit.

If you need a guy to be a complimentary piece, and not fight and argue with the other stars, McHale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[trelos6Participant]

Ultimately it all depends on what you want your PF to do.  Depends on the structure and make up of the team.

If you have a defensively talented team, and need a shooter to space the floor, Dirk would be a great PF.

If you need a guy who can run a fast break, pass well, and play with passion and hustle on every play, KG.

If you need a robot who can do all the small things, box out, play great D, score with bank shots, Duncan.

If you need a guy to finish the PnR, Malone.

If you need a smaller guy who jacks up 3’s, but is an absolute beast of a rebounder, Barkley.

If you need a guy to drop 20ppg in each of his seasons, without fail, Bob Pettit.

If you need a guy to be a complimentary piece, and not fight and argue with the other stars, McHale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[r377Participant]

I respect him off court aswell. You never hear any contract disputes, he just resigns at a discounted rate to free up the salary cap room to sign other players. He then goes out publicly and tries to get good FA’s to come to Dallas….

[r377Participant]

I respect him off court aswell. You never hear any contract disputes, he just resigns at a discounted rate to free up the salary cap room to sign other players. He then goes out publicly and tries to get good FA’s to come to Dallas….

[HitsterParticipant]

Good point by R377, a lot of top players demand max deals and then want their front offices to get them other top running mates or expect veterans to come in on mimimum.

Dirk has been very well paid throughout his career but has taken smaller deals in recent years which is a very selfless attitude as he has remained in situ and not moved to other teams where he may have been expected to take less to get on board.

KG was always one of the very highest paid players at his peak but never made a big show of his salary and likewise his none trade clause onlycame to light when Boston and Nets were looking to do the deal.

If a superstar wants top running mates or the excellent complimentary starters or even a top vet to fill out the bench, I think they have to leave some salary in the pot. A top vet like say PP who has his titles also has a certain amount of pride and ego and thus would rightly assume they are worth more than veteran minimum so a All Star taking a bit less gives the team that extra bit of salary to tempt the guys in.

Likewise very top players would never play for veteran’s minimum even though they are multi millionaires, they still like some sort of standing – this is guys like KG, Dirk, Tim Duncan etc. Though to be fair the T-Wolves were well below the cap so paying KG actually gets them up to minimum cap level so even if KG doesn’t play much and is more a mentor, having his salary down on the playing side doesn’t worry the team. If T-Wolves did want to chase FA’s in a year or two, I’m sure KG would happily retire so his salary wouldn’t be on the cap and he’d be paid as a front office/coaching personnel.

[HitsterParticipant]

Good point by R377, a lot of top players demand max deals and then want their front offices to get them other top running mates or expect veterans to come in on mimimum.

Dirk has been very well paid throughout his career but has taken smaller deals in recent years which is a very selfless attitude as he has remained in situ and not moved to other teams where he may have been expected to take less to get on board.

KG was always one of the very highest paid players at his peak but never made a big show of his salary and likewise his none trade clause onlycame to light when Boston and Nets were looking to do the deal.

If a superstar wants top running mates or the excellent complimentary starters or even a top vet to fill out the bench, I think they have to leave some salary in the pot. A top vet like say PP who has his titles also has a certain amount of pride and ego and thus would rightly assume they are worth more than veteran minimum so a All Star taking a bit less gives the team that extra bit of salary to tempt the guys in.

Likewise very top players would never play for veteran’s minimum even though they are multi millionaires, they still like some sort of standing – this is guys like KG, Dirk, Tim Duncan etc. Though to be fair the T-Wolves were well below the cap so paying KG actually gets them up to minimum cap level so even if KG doesn’t play much and is more a mentor, having his salary down on the playing side doesn’t worry the team. If T-Wolves did want to chase FA’s in a year or two, I’m sure KG would happily retire so his salary wouldn’t be on the cap and he’d be paid as a front office/coaching personnel.

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