Deron Williams Dominance

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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 5:22am #61473

ZachAttack
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This is just a reminder of Deron Williams Dominance, while he was with Utah of course.
19.3 ppg/ 10.1 apg/ 3.6 rpg/ 1.2 spg/ 3.4 TO’s
Now, the 3.4 TO’s doesn’t look too good. But that’s compared to 10.1 assists.
Now, those stats are only from his statline in Utah.
His stats and effectiveness significantly dropped since going to the Nets. Although the stats look somewhat similar, they would be considered empty stats because he didn’t make his team better like he did in Utah.
He didn’t really help New Jersey win, didn’t really lead the team like he did in Utah.
Utah was clearly his best days. I mean, we were talking about him and Chris Paul in being the best PG’s in the league. Now he’s not even considered in the top 10!
So the question for discussion here is, how would D-Will be doing right now had he stayed in Utah? And also, how would Utah be doing with D-Will still here?
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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 8:07am #1014584

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I think for him was his achilles issues more than anything. I think he would be the same player he is now, and not many teams wanting to have him including Utah. I would have liked to see him in his prime play with what Wes Matthews and Gordon Hayward were last year, that would have been a fun perimeter attack. Although Gordon and Deron are polar opposites of people, so that really could have been ugly.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 8:07am #1014446

SkalAndJamal
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I think for him was his achilles issues more than anything. I think he would be the same player he is now, and not many teams wanting to have him including Utah. I would have liked to see him in his prime play with what Wes Matthews and Gordon Hayward were last year, that would have been a fun perimeter attack. Although Gordon and Deron are polar opposites of people, so that really could have been ugly.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 10:17am #1014605

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It’s hard to imagine Utah would be in a better position than they are now had they kept Williams. He was just never really the same player after he left Utah. I think it was a combination of injuries, which ultimately led him to lose confidence in his abilities. I actually liked the trade at the time for the nets, even considering all they had to give up to get him. They got a legitimate superstar pg in his prime and it seemed like at the time that he’d be able to lure Dwight Howard as well. Of course, Williams didn’t play like a superstar, they couldn’t get Dwight and instead they panicked and gave up their future for overpriced past their prime players.
Even though kanter didn’t really work out in Utah and Devin Harris was basically a non-factor, they were still able to get a promising young big man in favors, which is better than risking losing Williams for nothing or being forced to overpay to keep him. They were able to accelerate the rebuilding process, which would have eventually had to happen anyway, and now they have a young and promising core in place and look like they could be a factor in the west for years.

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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 10:17am #1014466

Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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It’s hard to imagine Utah would be in a better position than they are now had they kept Williams. He was just never really the same player after he left Utah. I think it was a combination of injuries, which ultimately led him to lose confidence in his abilities. I actually liked the trade at the time for the nets, even considering all they had to give up to get him. They got a legitimate superstar pg in his prime and it seemed like at the time that he’d be able to lure Dwight Howard as well. Of course, Williams didn’t play like a superstar, they couldn’t get Dwight and instead they panicked and gave up their future for overpriced past their prime players.
Even though kanter didn’t really work out in Utah and Devin Harris was basically a non-factor, they were still able to get a promising young big man in favors, which is better than risking losing Williams for nothing or being forced to overpay to keep him. They were able to accelerate the rebuilding process, which would have eventually had to happen anyway, and now they have a young and promising core in place and look like they could be a factor in the west for years.

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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 2:58pm #1014665

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Apparently didn’t like to be coached, and just like cp3 he had a big body type for his size. Chris Paul stayed in shape most of his career, with Deron looking quite doughy throughout his Nets career. Some players are just born susceptable to injuries, like Greg Oden’s legs being different lengths. Then there are guys like Deron, who possibly could have avoided some of these leg injuries with proper conditioning. Seems to me he was a talented player who was a bit of a headcase, but because he wasn’t a vocal and outgoing personallity he never got the &$#%#&@! people like Nate Robinson get. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25298031/jazz-doctor-deron-williams-couldnt-handle-jerry-sloan-calling-plays
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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 2:58pm #1014527

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Apparently didn’t like to be coached, and just like cp3 he had a big body type for his size. Chris Paul stayed in shape most of his career, with Deron looking quite doughy throughout his Nets career. Some players are just born susceptable to injuries, like Greg Oden’s legs being different lengths. Then there are guys like Deron, who possibly could have avoided some of these leg injuries with proper conditioning. Seems to me he was a talented player who was a bit of a headcase, but because he wasn’t a vocal and outgoing personallity he never got the &$#%#&@! people like Nate Robinson get. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25298031/jazz-doctor-deron-williams-couldnt-handle-jerry-sloan-calling-plays
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- Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 4:07pm #1014791
  
  PulseGlazer
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  CP3 had a big body type? Are we looking at the same guy?
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- Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 4:07pm #1014652
  
  PulseGlazer
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  CP3 had a big body type? Are we looking at the same guy?
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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 6:03pm #1014559

T Rex
He’s the Suh/Albert Haynesworth of the NBA.
Both awesome players back in their pay.

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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 6:03pm #1014697

T Rex
He’s the Suh/Albert Haynesworth of the NBA.
Both awesome players back in their pay.

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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 9:37pm #1014579

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Like oogells says, main problem for Williams was staying in shape. It is one thing to work very hard in pre-season and during the season, but the best players push themselves every day during the off-season as well. Coming into camp leaner, quicker and stronger every year is what separates the great from the not-so-great.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/21/2015 - 9:37pm #1014717

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Like oogells says, main problem for Williams was staying in shape. It is one thing to work very hard in pre-season and during the season, but the best players push themselves every day during the off-season as well. Coming into camp leaner, quicker and stronger every year is what separates the great from the not-so-great.
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Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:52am #1014587

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Maybe it was Utah and the coach that made Williams, he was an All-Star in 2009-10 under Coach Sloan and that was the last time he was both healthy and shooting the ball well.
The next season he got rid of the coach and then forced his way out and was never the same player.
Utah would not have Favors if they still had Deron, so right now that alone puts them ahead in the deal.
If Williams had stayed in Utah, he would have been paid a lot and been injured a lot, probably. They wouldn’t have had the picks for Kanter or Burke, as they used that pick from the Nets and their own to move up for Burke. They would not have drafted Exum, or Burke, with Deron around if he was playing. Gobert, Dieng, Hayward, Burks, Williams, maybe that would be their 5 now.
Utah are probably a happier team and a cohesive one with Deron gone.

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Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:52am #1014726

ExumInferno
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Maybe it was Utah and the coach that made Williams, he was an All-Star in 2009-10 under Coach Sloan and that was the last time he was both healthy and shooting the ball well.
The next season he got rid of the coach and then forced his way out and was never the same player.
Utah would not have Favors if they still had Deron, so right now that alone puts them ahead in the deal.
If Williams had stayed in Utah, he would have been paid a lot and been injured a lot, probably. They wouldn’t have had the picks for Kanter or Burke, as they used that pick from the Nets and their own to move up for Burke. They would not have drafted Exum, or Burke, with Deron around if he was playing. Gobert, Dieng, Hayward, Burks, Williams, maybe that would be their 5 now.
Utah are probably a happier team and a cohesive one with Deron gone.

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Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 9:32am #1014610

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Utah got a good package for D-Will and I don’t think they would be in a much better state than they are now if D-Will had remained even if Coach Sloan had stayed on.
D-Will played some good basketball in his first couple of years in Brooklyn/NJ near to his Utah level. But the last couple of seasons he has not seemed like the same player. He might just be one of those players who has played his best basketball by the age of 28/29.

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Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 9:32am #1014749

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Utah got a good package for D-Will and I don’t think they would be in a much better state than they are now if D-Will had remained even if Coach Sloan had stayed on.
D-Will played some good basketball in his first couple of years in Brooklyn/NJ near to his Utah level. But the last couple of seasons he has not seemed like the same player. He might just be one of those players who has played his best basketball by the age of 28/29.

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Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 4:09pm #1014795

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Utah’s package seemed better than it was, no? At this point, it was really just Favors. Favors is great, but that number 3 pick, Kanter, kind of busted out given that by all accounts, his stats are empty and they semi-dumped him on OKC.
D-Will didn’t stay in shape, so when he got hurt, it all fell apart. He also apparently really needed structure, but that wasn’t to come consistently in Jersey. If he has anything left, Carslile will find it.

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Posted on: Tue, 09/22/2015 - 4:09pm #1014656

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Utah’s package seemed better than it was, no? At this point, it was really just Favors. Favors is great, but that number 3 pick, Kanter, kind of busted out given that by all accounts, his stats are empty and they semi-dumped him on OKC.
D-Will didn’t stay in shape, so when he got hurt, it all fell apart. He also apparently really needed structure, but that wasn’t to come consistently in Jersey. If he has anything left, Carslile will find it.

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Posted on: Wed, 09/23/2015 - 6:43am #1014873

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If D-Will has lost some of his scoring and athleticism then you’d expect that he could still do a solid job as a pass first creative PG as he’d rely on his experience and basketball IQ.
He has got another shot at the NBA with Dallas so if he has any real desire left then I agree Coach Carlisle can probably find it. Whilst D-Will isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago, he can still do a good job in the NBA if he stays in reasonable shape.
He has the comfort of his buy out from the Nets so it’s not as if he is in desperate need to chase a new contract and has had a decade long lucrative NBA career so if things don’t work out in Dallas I could possibly see him hnging up his sneakers in the near future.
Hopefully D-Will still has something left in the tank and the desire to contribute in the NBA so at worse he would be a legit contender to get onto a challenger’s roster. With the luxury of his big deals, D-Will would possibly be able to choose the best chance of getting a ring and not have to worry about salary, taking veteran’s minimum if needed. But I’d figure he’d want assurances about what sort of role he’d play and how many MPG he’d get even if it was as a back up.
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Posted on: Wed, 09/23/2015 - 6:43am #1014736

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If D-Will has lost some of his scoring and athleticism then you’d expect that he could still do a solid job as a pass first creative PG as he’d rely on his experience and basketball IQ.
He has got another shot at the NBA with Dallas so if he has any real desire left then I agree Coach Carlisle can probably find it. Whilst D-Will isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago, he can still do a good job in the NBA if he stays in reasonable shape.
He has the comfort of his buy out from the Nets so it’s not as if he is in desperate need to chase a new contract and has had a decade long lucrative NBA career so if things don’t work out in Dallas I could possibly see him hnging up his sneakers in the near future.
Hopefully D-Will still has something left in the tank and the desire to contribute in the NBA so at worse he would be a legit contender to get onto a challenger’s roster. With the luxury of his big deals, D-Will would possibly be able to choose the best chance of getting a ring and not have to worry about salary, taking veteran’s minimum if needed. But I’d figure he’d want assurances about what sort of role he’d play and how many MPG he’d get even if it was as a back up.
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