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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:50am #63828
ChicagoCaseyParticipantI’ve just recently start watching DeAndre Bembry game and had to ask, who would you draft first DeAndre Bembry or Denzel Valentine? After watching Bembry scouting report, I came to a conclusion that Bembry is a better prospect than Valentine. He’s everything Denzel Valentine is, besides the shooting, but, he’s far more athletic and he can play w/o the basketball. I believe he can be one of the better players out of this draft and have one of the highest potentials in this draft.
He’s a 6’6" 6’9" w/s shooting guard w/ a 38" vertivle , that have a outstanding basketball IQ and game. He can do everything on the court besides shoot, the jumper isn’t broken. In terms of his game, he can play pretty well w/o the ball, w/ the ball he can play the PnR and can run a offense, and he’s also a great defensive prospect.
Before looking at him I had him as a late first/early second prospect. But, after watching him I would take him in the mid first.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:40am #1064253
TheMOSTHATEDoneParticipant*Valentine is contact shy, Bembry dont
*Valentine is an Outstanding shooter, Bembry dont (average)
*Tendencies are very different, Bembry attacks the rim more often and is more athletic, While Valentine is a decent athlete, smooth if you want to add, but likes to Shoot and pass.
* both are terrific passers, i would give the egde to Valentine, But Bembry could be a drive and dish terror while valentine could be more a pick and roll passer due to first step absense.
*Bembry is a year younger
So in sum, Valentine is more known to be a supreme passer shooter, Bembry is more a penetrator, excellent passer, mediocre shooter.
Your answer, Valentine got a better tournament, that have him high, Bembry dont, but i will give the edge to Bembry in terms of NBA translation, but he needs to work in his shot accuracy and FTs.
Bembry reminds me James Harden in playing style, but obviusly Harden has a better shot and skillset.( obviously not comparing to Harden in terms of NBA success and talent)
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:42am #1064467
MopgrassParticipantI think you hit the nail on the head with Bembry having more "translatable skills." I also think Valentine is under average athletically. I really like Bembry in the combine games. I feel like he has some upside and going in the middle of the 1st isn’t out of the question.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:42am #1064341
MopgrassParticipantI think you hit the nail on the head with Bembry having more "translatable skills." I also think Valentine is under average athletically. I really like Bembry in the combine games. I feel like he has some upside and going in the middle of the 1st isn’t out of the question.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/23/2016 - 8:40am #1065033
OhCanada-ParticipantNot sure what you mean by tournament success.
Michigan St won the Big-10 Tournament but Saint Josephs won the A-10. Both teams made the NCAA tournament where State got eliminated in the first round yet Saint Jo’s eliminated second round by Oregon.
Bembry had plenty of games too show his stuff and played well but made it clear that he plays bully ball and needs to fix his shot. Although he did score 30 in the championship game and the nights he couldn’t score he effected the game every other way possible which is encouraging.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/23/2016 - 8:40am #1064909
OhCanada-ParticipantNot sure what you mean by tournament success.
Michigan St won the Big-10 Tournament but Saint Josephs won the A-10. Both teams made the NCAA tournament where State got eliminated in the first round yet Saint Jo’s eliminated second round by Oregon.
Bembry had plenty of games too show his stuff and played well but made it clear that he plays bully ball and needs to fix his shot. Although he did score 30 in the championship game and the nights he couldn’t score he effected the game every other way possible which is encouraging.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:40am #1064379
TheMOSTHATEDoneParticipant*Valentine is contact shy, Bembry dont
*Valentine is an Outstanding shooter, Bembry dont (average)
*Tendencies are very different, Bembry attacks the rim more often and is more athletic, While Valentine is a decent athlete, smooth if you want to add, but likes to Shoot and pass.
* both are terrific passers, i would give the egde to Valentine, But Bembry could be a drive and dish terror while valentine could be more a pick and roll passer due to first step absense.
*Bembry is a year younger
So in sum, Valentine is more known to be a supreme passer shooter, Bembry is more a penetrator, excellent passer, mediocre shooter.
Your answer, Valentine got a better tournament, that have him high, Bembry dont, but i will give the edge to Bembry in terms of NBA translation, but he needs to work in his shot accuracy and FTs.
Bembry reminds me James Harden in playing style, but obviusly Harden has a better shot and skillset.( obviously not comparing to Harden in terms of NBA success and talent)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 5:23am #1064259
Jr. ROXASParticipantBembry will be a good player in this league. He’s like a more athletic John Salmons, which ain’t bad.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 5:23am #1064385
Jr. ROXASParticipantBembry will be a good player in this league. He’s like a more athletic John Salmons, which ain’t bad.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:53am #1064305
mamadouParticipantBembry is Josh Childress 2.0 and not only for the haircut.
Better passing Josh Childress, “4 years Hawks” Childress version(6th pick).
He was supposed to be a SF, you ain’t an nba SF at 6’4 without shoes, 207 pounds.
Lack of shooting range at the 2.
I have him to the spurs, with their aging, limited guards, he fits pretty well in that kind of team, IMO, runner, cutter.
+ they have the greatest shooting coach in the nba, he could improve in that area.
To put his stats in perspective, he played 38 mins per game in his sophomore, junior years.0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:41am #1064465
ChicagoCaseyParticipantStats is not how you determine who is a good/not. It was no purpose in trying to put his stats in "perspective"
The only thing Bembry and Childress have alike is that they both rock the frow, nothing really else.
Tony Allen, Vic Oladipo, Demar Derozan, Dwyane Wade, and a lot more NBA shooting guards don’t have "range" to the three point line. Shooting is not the end all be all to become a shooting guard in the NBA. He have the handles and the ability to run a pick and roll to be a shooting guard in the NBA. Also, he have really good shooting mechanics to be a decent-good three point shooter.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:41am #1064340
ChicagoCaseyParticipantStats is not how you determine who is a good/not. It was no purpose in trying to put his stats in "perspective"
The only thing Bembry and Childress have alike is that they both rock the frow, nothing really else.
Tony Allen, Vic Oladipo, Demar Derozan, Dwyane Wade, and a lot more NBA shooting guards don’t have "range" to the three point line. Shooting is not the end all be all to become a shooting guard in the NBA. He have the handles and the ability to run a pick and roll to be a shooting guard in the NBA. Also, he have really good shooting mechanics to be a decent-good three point shooter.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 2:45pm #1064535
mamadouParticipantGive me a break, he has an ugly ass shot.
When he’s on line, he matches austin rivers and dion waiters in prettyness…that’s about it.
No need to lie because you saw 3 highlights vids where he was hitting shots…by definition.
Highest PT of all the 1st round prospects, that’s a fact, it even helped you to determine he can do it all besides shoot.
Some 18-28 mins frosh in that draft are actually badly downgraded while they are already very productive as 18-19YO…
That’s his context, he is an old junior, he’s the man, he plays 38 mins with some scrub guards, and it will help his draft stock more than the nba player he will be.
Both were juniors, hustlers more than defenders, SG/SF, pretty skinny(not strong at the nba level), funky shooting mechanic, crafty, playmaker, ball handler, cutter, runner, good on the open floor, yeah nothing else in common.
Childress was one of the best 6th men in the league with the hawks, nothing insulting for a late 1st in a weak draft.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 2:45pm #1064410
mamadouParticipantGive me a break, he has an ugly ass shot.
When he’s on line, he matches austin rivers and dion waiters in prettyness…that’s about it.
No need to lie because you saw 3 highlights vids where he was hitting shots…by definition.
Highest PT of all the 1st round prospects, that’s a fact, it even helped you to determine he can do it all besides shoot.
Some 18-28 mins frosh in that draft are actually badly downgraded while they are already very productive as 18-19YO…
That’s his context, he is an old junior, he’s the man, he plays 38 mins with some scrub guards, and it will help his draft stock more than the nba player he will be.
Both were juniors, hustlers more than defenders, SG/SF, pretty skinny(not strong at the nba level), funky shooting mechanic, crafty, playmaker, ball handler, cutter, runner, good on the open floor, yeah nothing else in common.
Childress was one of the best 6th men in the league with the hawks, nothing insulting for a late 1st in a weak draft.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:53am #1064431
mamadouParticipantBembry is Josh Childress 2.0 and not only for the haircut.
Better passing Josh Childress, “4 years Hawks” Childress version(6th pick).
He was supposed to be a SF, you ain’t an nba SF at 6’4 without shoes, 207 pounds.
Lack of shooting range at the 2.
I have him to the spurs, with their aging, limited guards, he fits pretty well in that kind of team, IMO, runner, cutter.
+ they have the greatest shooting coach in the nba, he could improve in that area.
To put his stats in perspective, he played 38 mins per game in his sophomore, junior years.0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:59pm #1064531
ballislyfe25ParticipantI like both players a lot. Saw Bembry for the first time and in person at the A10 Tournament at Barclays and he was very good. However, I definitely would not classify him as a 2 guard. He is clearly a forward IMO. Valentine, on the other hand, is clearly a 2 guard.
I’d take Valentine over Bembry but both are solid players who’s versatility and all around game/skillset is valued in today’s game. Both could probably step in and help a playoff team right away.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:59pm #1064406
ballislyfe25ParticipantI like both players a lot. Saw Bembry for the first time and in person at the A10 Tournament at Barclays and he was very good. However, I definitely would not classify him as a 2 guard. He is clearly a forward IMO. Valentine, on the other hand, is clearly a 2 guard.
I’d take Valentine over Bembry but both are solid players who’s versatility and all around game/skillset is valued in today’s game. Both could probably step in and help a playoff team right away.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 3:57pm #1064545
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI personally like Valentine more. I think both will probably be mid to late first round picks and most of the time teams in those positions are looking for guys that can contribute immediately. Valentine just has such as strong bball iq I could easily see him stepping into a contender and contributing right away. It is possible bembry could have the higher upside, as he is a better athlete and probably has more defensive potential. His jump shot could develop or it could not. It’s just hard to predict. Valentine is just the more advanced overall player right now.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 3:57pm #1064420
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI personally like Valentine more. I think both will probably be mid to late first round picks and most of the time teams in those positions are looking for guys that can contribute immediately. Valentine just has such as strong bball iq I could easily see him stepping into a contender and contributing right away. It is possible bembry could have the higher upside, as he is a better athlete and probably has more defensive potential. His jump shot could develop or it could not. It’s just hard to predict. Valentine is just the more advanced overall player right now.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/23/2016 - 5:23am #1064826
kobyzParticipantI think Valentine getting a little underrated here, i’ll take him over Bembry because of his high basketball iq and better reading of the game… Valentine kinda remind me of a bigger Corey Joseph, with maybe better passing…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/23/2016 - 5:23am #1064951
kobyzParticipantI think Valentine getting a little underrated here, i’ll take him over Bembry because of his high basketball iq and better reading of the game… Valentine kinda remind me of a bigger Corey Joseph, with maybe better passing…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/23/2016 - 8:25am #1065027
OhCanada-ParticipantNo clue what you guys are smoking or if its a joke but are we talking about the same two players because they have completely different games and Valentine obviously projects as the better player.
Valentine can do a lot of things to help his team and will be productive from day one. If you watched Michigan St. this year the special part of his game wasn’t his shooting or playmaking it was the ability make the right play at the right time. He will fit in immediately and maybe able to play 3 positions for teams.
Bembry has a rising stock but is much different. He hasn’t proved he will be an effective player off the ball. In the NBA he won’t be given the opportunity to run a teams offense. He would likely be expected to play a role similar to Andre Igoudala’s with GSW.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/23/2016 - 8:25am #1064903
OhCanada-ParticipantNo clue what you guys are smoking or if its a joke but are we talking about the same two players because they have completely different games and Valentine obviously projects as the better player.
Valentine can do a lot of things to help his team and will be productive from day one. If you watched Michigan St. this year the special part of his game wasn’t his shooting or playmaking it was the ability make the right play at the right time. He will fit in immediately and maybe able to play 3 positions for teams.
Bembry has a rising stock but is much different. He hasn’t proved he will be an effective player off the ball. In the NBA he won’t be given the opportunity to run a teams offense. He would likely be expected to play a role similar to Andre Igoudala’s with GSW.
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